Title: Francis Demonic Plan To Destroy The Church Revealed Source:
[None] URL Source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Obss_Gmu8 Published:Dec 6, 2021 Author:Return To Tradition Post Date:2021-12-06 06:40:18 by A K A Stone Keywords:None Views:1959 Comments:44
I'll stipulate: yeah, God exists. I've talked with him several times. He's real. And Jesus is very probably his son, and very probably divine.
None of which has anything to do with the Catholic Church, the Baptist Church, or any other church.
Jesus of Nazareth, called "the Anointed" (the Christ), lived in the first third of the First Century. Jesus himself wrote nothing.
A handful of texts (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, the first Chapter of Acts and Revelation) date from the first century, allege that they contain the words and deeds of Christ. There is nothing else from the First Century.
Some texts exist from the Second Century that also claim to contain what Jesus said and did, but they differ remarkably from the First Century text. The Churches have all rejected these writings as "gnostic". They are all fragmentary anyway.
The churches as we know them emerged in the Fourth Century, after the Roman Empire legalized Christianity and stopped persecuting in. The first church council since the biblical Council of Jerusalem was held in 325 AD at Nicaea, in modern-day Turkey. It decided that God is a Trinity, and that whoever does not accept the Trinity is not a Christian. Prior to Nicaea, Christianity was persecutved and hidden, and there was wide difference of opinion, but at Nicaea the new, legal church came together and the majority at this, and subsequent councils began to throw people out of the Church who did not agree with them.
The central feature of Christianity - the Trinity - was never taught by Jesus. Jesus speaks of God, but when he says God, he means the God the Father, to whom he prays and instructs us to pray. He speaks of the "paraclete", the "comforter", the Holy Spirit; and Revelation speaks of the "Seven Spirits of God". But Jesus never systematizes it at all.
Jesus' God is God the Father, and that is the only person he ever tells people to pray to. The entire complicated and convulted doctrine of the Trinity was made up by Christians after Jesus, and in the form it became official, hundreds of years after Jesus.
Jesus called on Christians, above all, to be united, and during those three hundred years that Christianity was illegal and persecuted, Arians , Trinitiarians, Monophysites, Nestorians, etc., etc. disagreed about many things, but they were all Christians.
In truth, those doctrines were never stated with authority, there WAS no authoritative position of "The Church" before Nicaea, and Arians and Trinitiarians were both Christians.
After Nicaea and similar councils, that was no longer true. "Christian" came to mean Trinitarian.
My quarrel with the Church does not stem from any recent enactment, but goes all the way back to Nicaea.
Jesus prayed for unity, which included Arians and Trinitiarians, until three hundred years after his death when the Church came out of the shadows,and promptly divided itself over the doctrine of the Trinity, which Jesus himself never taught, and which - in its official form - cannot be true unless Jesus was himself lying.
My religion is scrupulously listening to what Jesus said, which means that dividing over this "Trinity" is illegitimate. "Christians" say that the Trinity is THE decisive doctrine, but Jesus never taught it. Therefore, they are wrong. The Church is wrong about it. It's an overwrought and essentially meaningless hypothetical.
Going further back, Paul taught that to be forgiven sin, one had to believe in Jesus as the perfect sacrifice whose blood took away the sins of the world. But Jesus taught that the way to be forgiven sin was to forgive other's their sin against you, then God forgives you. So, Jesus and Paul conflict. I throw out Nicaea, and I throw out Paul for this very reason.
LIkewise, James taught that if you commit any sin, you commit them all, the doctrine of any sin being deadly. But Jesus taught that there are greater and lesser sins. So I throw out James and stick with Jesus.
Jude taught Enoch, a book that says the angels fell, copulated with women, caused the world to fill up with monsters, which God drowned in the flood. ENouch is about purity of bloodlines. JEsus never said a word about any of this. So I reject Jude in favor of Jesus.
John taught there were different grades of sin, venial and mortal, and he taught that there was no salvation for mortal sinners. But Jesus said that all sins would be forgiven if men forgive. So I reject John also, in favor of Jesus, where John and Jesus differ.
Peter...Peter just gave encouragement and didn't teach anything that contradicts Jesus. So, there you have it, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and the letters of Peter are not objectionable. We have to be more circumspect with the Gospel of John and the Revelation of John. The Revelation of John is, admittedly, John having a vision - it may not even be real. And it was written very late. Scholars say it wasn't John the Apostle who wrote it, but who knows. The only interesting parts in it anyway are the parts where Jesus speaks, at the beginning and at the end.
What Jesus says there can be coordinated with what he says in the Synoptic Gospels, so it can be allowed. The Gospel of John works, but the translations are very treacherous, since "divine" is translated as "God", and this has a different meaning to Christians.
All of these things are important. The Churches all went wrong at Nicaea, so the prattling and rage they have about people following their rules, or not, bores me. Jesus is their emblem, but they've mostly replaced what HE said with what THEY have decided is important. I simply reject all that and return to what Jesus said.
This makes me unpopular with Christians. So what? I don't care. Christianity as a religion is in steep decline, and Christians of different denominations scream at each other. In my own experience, lots of Baptists deny that Catholics are even Christians.
This completely fails to impress me. The Baptists are full of shit for various reasons, and so are the Catholics. Is that reason to chuck them completely?
Well, that depends, doesn't it? Each person has to come to his own conclusions. I choose to call myself Catholic and continue to go through the motions, but core Catholic doctrines like the Trinity? Silly. Not what Jesus taught.
My actual RELIGION is what Jesus taught, no more. The rest are just conventions I tolerate and don't bother to argue about within the Church, but when another denomination asserts them, I reject them for those reasons. The Catholic Church is wrong about a lot, but right, at least, about charity. Why would I leave the Catholic Church to go to some less charitable religion that is also wrong about the same things?
Like I said: it all bores me. Earnest, angry, sweaty Christians bore me. They irritate me with their arrogant wrongness.
I see. We’re IN the “Tribulation”. Wait, no “Snatching” first? What’s it called when all the righteous get snatched up first? (It’s called “nuts”, but let’s be kind.). The “Rapture”. Yes, that’s it. No Rapture, eh? Straight to the Tribulation. Ok. You’re old, so presumably whenever you die will be the end of the “Tribulation”. For the rest of us, how long is this “Tribulation” supposed to last?
You are actually blind as a bat, spiritually speaking.
We’re IN the “Tribulation”.
There is really no other way to keep denying it. The evidence is overwhelming and aligns with Scripture. I do believe we are IN the Great Tribulation.
No Rapture, eh? Straight to the Tribulation. Ok.
The Rapture is Biblical. Apparently, Bible scholars, who have done their best, have mis-timed the Rapture. There are two more points in the Trib timeline for the likelihood of the Rapture to occur: at the mid-point, and, just prior to the final outpouring of God's wrath (near the end of the Trib).
presumably whenever you die will be the end of the “Tribulation”.
Not hardly. I do hope to be outta here before the actual Mark of the Beast.
For the rest of us, how long is this “Tribulation” supposed to last?
Seven years according to the Prophet Daniel.
My religion is scrupulously listening to what Jesus said
Baloney. Jesus Himself taught of the Great Tribulation in Matt 24 and I can see just how scrupulously you are listening to His Words. lol.
You're mocking and scoffing...I am watching and waiting. I long to be with my Creator...you could care less about Jesus, and it shows.
Perhaps you are more suited to reading comments about men kissing.
I think some folks have it mixed up with the second coming.
The Second Coming is about the final battle...killing Satan's Lil 'helpers gathered in the Valley of Megiddo...and notice the resurrected Saints will already be with Him.
Zechariah 14:4,5 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. 5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You.
Revelation 19:11-16 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
So when is The Resurrection of the Saints? Answer, at the so-called Rapture. The Rapture is the Resurrection! Without the Resurrection Christianity is worthless.
Resurrection = to be made alive and "caught up" to Christ. The word rapture describes literally the resurrected Saints flying away to be with God.
Help me to understand. When precisely is the resurrection? Zechariah and John (in Revelation) say the Saints are with Christ when His feet touch the Mount of Olives (we are riding White Horses nonetheless!). When did we take up that position behind Christ as His feet touch the Mount?
What verses do you believe are talking about the rapture?
This is the passage that contains the Greek word "har-pad'-zo" [latin word rapturo]
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be [caught up] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
This is the Second Coming...when His feet touch the Earth.
Zechariah 14:4,5 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. 5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You.
Notice that the Saints are already with Him...indicating that the Saints were raised PRIOR to His feet touching the Earth. Christians struggle to understand when this prior raising of the Saints takes place.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 mentions that the righteous dead will arise as the Lord makes a loud noise. John 5:25-29 tells us that the righteous dead will rise to life after Christ’s voice is heard. The righteous will arise to receive their reward:
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:25-29)
