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Title: Donald Trump Fought For Us. Now It’s Our Turn
Source: the federalist
URL Source: https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/2 ... ought-for-us-now-its-our-turn/
Published: Jan 27, 2021
Author: David Marcus
Post Date: 2021-01-27 20:23:40 by tankumo
Keywords: None
Views: 19771
Comments: 86

(Yes, we will fight with you, we want Trump back.)

Back in the early days of the Donald Trump phenomenon, whenever he supposedly got out of line a recurring joke about him was, “But he fights.” The pundits laughed. The poor rubes suckered by Trump were supposedly taken in by some canard that he was a fighter. But the fact is he was, he won a lot of those fights, and his voters are better off for those wins.

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#47. To: Gatlin (#45)

I will diligently present myself to enjoy life

There will be no joy. The masktard world you promote has already killed off all beauty, art, and culture. The Covid hoax has weakened the nation's resolve and unity. The will of the people has been overthrown in the election. Now our borders are open to every dreg of the third world. Our children have had their childhoods stolen through masking and lockdown. And you have had championed this from the very beginning. Where will you find any joy ever again?

threat of Lucifer

Lucifer has taken advantage of you due to your ignorance of his devices.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with living without God? Nothing wrong trying to take the place of God? Are you sure about that?

You don’t KNOW this.

The only reason Lucifer is uniting the world is to fight God. That is the whole teaching of Armegeddon.

And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

21 And the remnant (of humans) were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

These are the consequences of the world you are helping to create.

watchman  posted on  2021-02-02   21:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: watchman (#47)

A Christian is called to love God with all of his or her mind. Thus, political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered. Unfairly depicting opponents and their arguments is prohibited, as is neglecting to do the hard intellectual work of deep study and arrogantly refusing the insights of trained, knowledgeable experts in various fields. Christians are sometimes guilty of this kind of indiscretion. And even worse, they can be proud of their anti- intellectualism when they ought to be ashamed. It truly is wicked, since it involves intentional rejection of one third of the greatest commandment.

Repeating: Political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered.

The increasing frequency of Christian forms of fanaticism such as yours is alarming. For although we live in a technologically and scientifically advanced age, we also live in an age of widespread ignorance. But whatever the cultural norms, youe fanaticism about Christianity is unbiblical, unwarranted, and has no place in our lives.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   21:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Gatlin (#48)

I am witnessing the greatest, freest republic on earth being transformed into a technocracy that resembles communist China, the most oppressive regime on earth.

The coordinated disinformation campaign of ... the Democrat/technocrat/globalist narrative --- is an orchestrated effort to make Americans believe the unbelievable, and accept the unacceptable.

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=63184

If you ... don'T use exclamaTion poinTs --- you should'T be Typeing ! Commas - semicolons - quesTion marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2021-02-02   21:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: watchman (#47)

While many Christian Americans are thoughtful and productive people simply going about their daily lives like the rest of us, there exists within our country a fanatical segment of Christian followers whose ideology is tarnishing our country and obstructing our progression.

Here are 10 common ways Christian fanaticism is obstructing American progress:

1.) Deeper Division of the classes.

Although the Christian Bible quite plainly repeatedly encourages followers to help the needy and poor, many fanatical Christians seemed to have overlooked their book’s message on this subject and have instead chosen to label those who are struggling as “lazy” and undeserving of any kind of relief. This is a problematic disruption for America because instead of supporting our own improvement by helping others escape poverty, many Christians are doing the exact opposite by treating those who need our help the most with disgust and indignation. This mentality only serves to create a deeper divide between the classes of our country.

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.”

~Deuteronomy 15:7-11 ESV

It is not only ethical for us to treat our fellow citizens with dignity (regardless of their current circumstances), but it benefits us all when we work to find ways to help those who are struggling improve their livelihood, rather than shaming them and banishing them to a life of scarcity. When we help one another, we improve the overall experience of our society, because we create productive citizens who are capable of attaining their own abundance. When we shut them out and cast them aside, we eventually create desperate people who sometimes do desperate things. What we should be doing, whether we are believers or non- believers, is collectively seeking ways to support others in empowering themselves to reach higher standards; not besmirching their existence as our fanatical Christian political propaganda would have us do.

2.) Education – Historical and Scientific inaccuracies.

Many fanatical Christians are unable to accept historical events as they occurred and insist on altering history in order to fit their religious version of events. This mental intrusion can be seen in many spectrums of our educational system; including an array of scientific and other academic disciplines. Additionally, fanatical Christians persist in asserting that past genocides and other atrocious acts (such as Hitler’s extermination of the Jews) was not a Christian-instigated endeavor; when in fact, the comments, publications of the time, photos and speeches used in those campaigns suggest otherwise.

Even more disturbing is the fanatical Christian (specifically Christian Revisionist) effort to alter public educational instruction so that America’s youth are taught that our nation was founded on Christian principles, rather than the secular values of our founding fathers. This is a problem because many American Christians are not even cognizant of the fact that our original money and pledge never mentions God, nor are they aware that, although many of our founding fathers were men who believed in a god, they were not Christians at all and found the Christian Bible and religion completely oppressive and abhorrent.

“Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”

~Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

Our founding fathers were free-thinkers of the enlightenment and in fact, a primary reason in them establishing this country was to flee the oppression of their theocratic Christian homeland. In reality America has always been a secular nation from its inception – a fact fanatical Christians want Americans to forget by amending history to fit their agenda.

3.) Climate change denial.

Many fanatical Christians are living in denial of the obvious changes happening in our natural environment. This is a dilemma that affects everyone on this planet and must be addressed expediently; or we will all suffer by our own inaction. Rather than working together to improve the health of our planet, many fanatical Christians have chosen to delay the process of expunging our world of harmful toxins and human practices in favor of debating whether climate change actually exists. This ridiculously profound waste-of-time and tax-payer funds is an impediment to Americans using our time wisely to improve our habitat – and thus our own health and human experience.

Truthfully, whether climate change exists or not is irrelevant to whether we should be working to improve our natural environment. Is it really necessary that we confirm that our world is suffering in order to comprehend that treating our planet with respect is always the right course of action, regardless of whether the climate is actually changing? Shouldn’t we be consistently working to improve the health of our world and using clean and efficient resources to power our planet? Why must we debate common sense?

4.) Religious voting.

Those we elect as the leaders of our nation – who create the laws we all must abide by – is a serious matter. However, many fanatical Christians are not as concerned with a candidate’s ability to effectively perform the duties of their office in a way that serves the people’s interests as they are with the religious belief structure that the candidate chooses to follow. This is an extremely concerning trend that enables leaders to hold positions in this country that empower them to oppress citizens with regulations that benefit their specific religion, irrespective of how those citizens who do not agree with Christian principles will be affected. In fact, that is the intention of fanatical Christian politicians and their electorate – to turn this country into a Christian state where we are all obliged to follow Christian principles of morality and “freedom”.

“We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.”

~Founding Father John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785

This is a grim conundrum for countless Americans, because for those of us who follow other religions, or no religion, the threat of Christian theocratic rule is real. It is disturbing when we comprehend what will happen to our freedoms if religious voters and the politicians who lead them are successful in turning our country into an oppressive, religious, legal nightmare.

5.) Ineffective Sexual Education.

For decades, fanatical Christians have denied the reality of sex in the human experience by restricting access to comprehensive sexual education for our young citizens. They have done this by implementing (and even using tax dollars to fund) abstinence only programs that simply don’t work. In fact, they can have a detrimental consequence because when we deny our youth of necessary sexual education, many of those youths enter into adulthood ill-prepared for the accountabilities of sexual activity; while also leaving them uninformed of safe sexual conduct.

Abstinence only programs are completely ineffective and generally only serve to delay sexual activity by several months, rather than its intended result of preserving virginity until a marital relationship is established. Furthermore, young people who are deprived of comprehensive sexual education in favor of abstinence only teachings (and follow those instructions) often marry earlier than their educated peers as they are convinced that sexual activity is only suitable within the confines of a marital relationship. This can lead to the young person to marry from a place of biological sexual frustration rather than a genuine mental decision – certainly a situation that is not beneficial to any party involved.

Additionally, it only stands to reason that if Christians oppose abortion, they must be willing to support the alternative – contraception methods – something taught in comprehensive sexual education. It is unrealistic to expect that a human youth will, in fact, wait until a marital relationship is established to engage in sexual activity – because most don’t, regardless of their original lessons about sex. Sexual education is not only beneficial to overall health of all involved by making people more informed about safe sexual practices, but it is essential for those who oppose abortion to support a resource that actually helps prevent any abortion from ever becoming necessary – but, this is not what happens, because many fanatical Christians are still convinced that restricting sexual activity is effective – when in fact, it’s not; nor will it ever be as it’s in direct opposition to natural human tendencies.

6.) Televangelist con artist and the fear machine.

Turn on your television and you can easily find Christian channels full of televangelists making outrageous statements about how god is punishing our country, derogatory declarations about the LGBT community, how atheist should be shipped off somewhere else, and how the end times are upon us. Interestingly, after filling the viewers mind with fear and hatred towards their fellow citizens, they proceed by insisting on a financial offering, which many followers freely provide. Meanwhile, these same televangelist live in multi-million dollar homes, build extravagant churches and do very little to actually help those who are truly in need, all while paying no taxes to spread their propaganda and exerting huge influence over millions of American voters.

This is disconcerting as it vastly contributes to perpetuating a religious cultural fear and discrimination in our society while swindling the believer out of their hard-earned resources. At the same time, followers of these con artists are mentally persuaded that their hatred and bigotry towards their peers is justified as good moral conduct and that their ideas place them in a mental position of superiority based solely on religious contentions. This is a problem because millions of Americans rely on these religious tricksters for their religious instruction, and those teachings translate into votes for politicians whose policies affect everyone in this country.

7.) The continuation of the war on drugs.

There is an enormous problem within our prison system that has been largely understated for many decades. Our “war on drugs” is a monumental failure that has done nothing more than incarcerate addicts and perpetuate a cycle of crime; often leaving those same individuals unable to become productive members of society after they are left with a record that hinders their ability to find gainful employment. All this, while private prisons make record profits off of imprisoning non-violent drug-users, instead of helping them recover from addictions.

Many fanatical Christians (especially those Christian politicians who are in a position to influence federal and state laws) are perpetuating this problem by insisting that our failed war on drugs must remain the standard for our treatment of drug users. This is absurd because it is obvious that our current method of imprisoning drug users and addicts is highly ineffective and wildly expensive for non-profit prisons supported by tax payer funds. Yet, many fanatical Christians are against drug law reform and insist on preserving a system that criminalizes drug users rather than helping them recover from addictions and become more productive members of our society. While many of our more free-thinking politicians and citizens’ support reforming our current stance on drugs in America to a more humane and helpful program, fanatical Christians continue to obstruct progress in this area by refusing to acknowledge – and work to change – the problem.

8.) Representation without taxation.

Most religious institutions in America are exempt from paying taxes, yet Christian fanatics and politicians insist on forcing a religious Christian agenda onto the American public – all while paying no taxes to support the various financial necessities of our country. There is a reason religious institutions don’t pay taxes – because they are not supposed to be represented by our government.

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”

~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

Our government is explicitly discouraged from supporting one specific religion as a federal endorsement of religious concepts. Our founding fathers understood this necessity to separate religion from governmental functions in order that all may remain free to worship (or not) according to their own conscience. However, some Christian fanatics have attempted to redefine the meaning of “religious freedom” by demanding their religion be given special representation by our government, above all other religious organizations and creeds. They do this by insisting that our country was founded on Christian principles and relentless attempts to force federal laws to submit to Christian concepts.

9.) Forced Division.

If there were no push to turn this country into a Christian theocracy, to eliminate and restrict the rights of women, LGBT and other minority groups. If there were no voter fraud meant to keep progressive ideas from advancing the minds and experiences of our country’s people. If there were no Christian fight for the right to publicly discriminate against the LGBT community. If there were no obstruction of science, technology, history and sexual education, among many other issues – there would be no necessity to counter it, and therefore, less division of our population over ideas that affect us all.

Christian fanatics force this country to divide amongst itself because those who are unwilling to have their lives and thoughts religiously dictated to them through legal processes must react. It is essential that they react – because if they don’t, they will soon find themselves in a precarious situation, where the life and freedom they once knew is taken from them by a group of people whose values do not reflect their own. For this reason, our courts often uphold rulings that keep religion (all religion) out of the public square; and even then, Christian fanatics cry foul when they are unable to use their religion to dominate an entire nation and its people.

“Knowledge and liberty are so prevalent in this country, that I do not believe that the United States would ever be disposed to establish one religious sect, and lay all others under legal disabilities. But as we know not what may take place hereafter, and any such test would be exceedingly injurious to the rights of free citizens, I cannot think it altogether superfluous to have added a clause, which secures us from the possibility of such oppression.”

~Founding Father Oliver Wolcott, Connecticut Ratifying Convention, 9 January 1788

It is unfortunate that we are unable to agree on the most basic principles of many aspects of American life and freedom, but if those who don’t agree with Christian fanatics don’t speak up – who chooses? What principles reign over our country? And who then will speak for those who don’t identify with those ideas? What becomes of their rights? Their justice in courts? Their freedoms? There must be a retort in order to prevent our country from losing the freedom and unity that we as a people are fully capable of enjoying, so long as the proclamations of our founding documents are upheld.

10.) Global credibility.

Much of the developed world has already reached a perceptive and educated understanding that our religions are merely our current myths, just as our past religions were the ideas we understand as fables today. However, American Christian fanatics refuse to concede what is already palpable to much of the developed global community. Our reluctance to surrender our archaic ideas and embrace reality has left a stain on our credibility, because more informed citizens of other developed countries perceive our citizens as gullible and undereducated.

Furthermore, when our Christian leaders use their power to alter history and our educational system to fit into their religious concepts (rather than thoroughly researched and proven facts) our citizens become less equipped to compete in a world where facts, evidence and knowledge are increasingly important and necessary for global opportunity and expansion.

Christian fanatics love to live in a country where we are all free to practice our religion as we please. However, their view of “religious freedom”, truly only applies to one specific belief – their own. What their words and actions honestly exhibit, is that: we are free to worship as we choose (or not), just so long as we agree that Jesus is god, that our nation is a Christian nation and that all citizens should accept and acknowledge the Christian political, social and moral agenda.

In reality, the Christian fanatic is not concerned with religious freedom at all – they are concerned only with religious supremacy and using their religion to coerce our nation into abandoning its secular, enlightenment and free-thinking roots. Religious liberty is not achieved by enabling one religion to attain political and legal dominance over a nation; it is achieved by comprehending that one religious group must never achieve that authority.

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Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   21:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: BorisY (#49)

I am witnessing the greatest, freest republic on earth being transformed into a technocracy that resembles communist China, the most oppressive regime on earth.

Yes, you are.

The coordinated disinformation campaign of ... the Democrat/technocrat/globalist narrative --- is an orchestrated effort to make Americans believe the unbelievable, and accept the unacceptable.

Yes, it is.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   22:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Gatlin (#48)

A Christian is called to love God with all of his or her mind. Thus, political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered. Unfairly depicting opponents and their arguments is prohibited, as is neglecting to do the hard intellectual work of deep study and arrogantly refusing the insights of trained, knowledgeable experts in various fields. Christians are sometimes guilty of this kind of indiscretion. And even worse, they can be proud of their anti- intellectualism when they ought to be ashamed. It truly is wicked, since it involves intentional rejection of one third of the greatest commandment.

That is a reasonable statement.

Can you give us some examples of when you think Christians behave as you have described above.

Because some people would attribute those characteristics falsely and are in error.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-02   22:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stonem watchman (#52) (Edited)

A Christian is called to love God with all of his or her mind. Thus, political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered. Unfairly depicting opponents and their arguments is prohibited, as is neglecting to do the hard intellectual work of deep study and arrogantly refusing the insights of trained, knowledgeable experts in various fields. Christians are sometimes guilty of this kind of indiscretion. And even worse, they can be proud of their anti-intellectualism when they ought to be ashamed. It truly is wicked, since it involves intentional rejection of one third of the greatest commandment.

That is a reasonable statement.

As my statements always are.

Can you give us some examples of when you think Christians behave as you have described above.

Yes.

A Christian is called to love God with all of his or her mind.

Billy Graham.

Thus, political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered.

Walter Cronkite.

Unfairly depicting opponents and their arguments is prohibited, as is neglecting to do the hard intellectual work of deep study and arrogantly refusing the insights of trained, knowledgeable experts in various fields. Christians are sometimes guilty of this kind of indiscretion. And even worse, they can be proud of their anti-intellectualism when they ought to be ashamed. It truly is wicked, since it involves intentional rejection of one third of the greatest commandment.

A K A Stone and Watchman.

Because some people would attribute those characteristics falsely and are in error.

Not this time …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   22:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone, watchman (#53)

Ping Correction ...

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   22:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Gatlin (#53)

So you can't give any examples. Ok. Zero.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-02   23:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Gatlin (#53)

Not this time …

Yes this time. You didn't give any examples and you slandered two people.

Gatlin just because you say something doesn't make it true.

Also your statements are not always true. That is a fact.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-02   23:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#55)

So you can't give any examples. Ok. Zero.

I did – See my Post #54.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   23:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Gatlin (#50) (Edited)

Oh

I geT iT

you worry abouT

a sTuffed nose

The sniffles

you join a gypsy caravan

from a leper colony

The 3rd way !

If you ... don'T use exclamaTion poinTs --- you should'T be Typeing ! Commas - semicolons - quesTion marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2021-02-02   23:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#56)

Not this time …

Yes this time. You didn't give any examples and you slandered two people.

I gave examples of people who fit the description.

People can serve as excellent examples.

There was no slander – You just didn’t like the truth.

Gatlin just because you say something doesn't make it true.

Point out to me when you “think” it isn’t.

Also your statements are not always true.

Point out to me when you “think” they are not.

Also your statements are not always true.

No – That’s your OPINION …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   23:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: BorisY (#58)

you worry …

Nah …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   23:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Gatlin (#59)

I gave examples of people who fit the description.

People can serve as excellent examples.

You gave no examples of what brought you to your false conclusion.

Because you are incapable of providing examples of anything I ever said.

Or any other examples in the mainstream culture of your claims.

Because you can't. Because the examples you would provide would be shredded. And you would look stupid again.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-03   1:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: watchman (#47)

… threat of Lucifer …

NIO Shareholders Are 'Dealing With The Devil'

I am looking at emerging markets to find fairly priced value investments as average valuations are lower there than in the US or other developed markets.

NIO (NYSE:NIO) is the 8th largest holding on the emerging market ETF and I took a look. Unfortunately, I haven't found anything that would even give a glimpse of value or justify the current market capitalization and I'll shortly share the key risks I individuated when analyzing NIO. For the full analysis including the bull and bear thesis, a bit of George Carlin style sarcasm, you can enjoy my NIO stock video at the bottom of this article.

RISK 1 - Analysts are bullish

On average, analysts are bullish on new Chinese EV players and consequently also bullish about NIO. On Seeking Alpha, investment bank analysts are even more bullish than independent analysts.

I found it very surprising that investment bank analysts are bullish on a company that was bailed out by the Chinese government not even a year ago (more about that in RISK 2), that sold just 43,728 vehicles in 2020, burned $7.5 billion since inception, will keep burning much more cash over the coming years, is operating in a highly cyclical, cut throat margin industry heavily depending on fast changing customer preferences and on top of it all has a market capitalization of $90 billion. That is $2,058,177 per car sold in 2020.

Well, I quickly found the reason for Wall Street's bullishness. In a recent interview, Jeremy Grantham said how Wall Street has absolutely no incentive to stop bubbles because: "you make money by keeping the bubble going".

A look at the figure below will tell you why Wall Street analysts will likely keep pumping NIO stock.

This tells me that analysts don't look at fundamentals as their incentive lies elsewhere. As Charlie Munger says in his Almanack; to know with whom you are dealing with, always reverse engineer his incentives first.

For me, the clear incentive analysts have to be bullish, creates a long- term risk as few are focused on the fundamentals the therefore the market's perception gets distorted.

RISK 2 - Dealing with the devil

Apart from analyst having their own incentives, I think NIO's key shareholders might have a different interest to what you might have as a shareholder owning NIO stock traded on the NYSE. I should correct myself, the key shareholders of NIO China, are likely to have different interests.

As NIO was in a bad situation at the beginning of 2020, the company was bailed out by the Chinese government. Now, all would be fine if the Chinese government, in this case the province of Hefei, would have bailed out NIO from an equal position as you bought your shares.

The thing is that all the assets of NIO in China were transferred to a new company called NIO China. Of which NIO, the thing you own, got 75.88% while the other strategic investors 24.115%.

Since then, NIO has invested further into NIO China and the distribution of ownership is now 86.5% for NIO while other investors still have time to decide whether to increase their share of ownership.

Now, as NIO China, that holds all the key assets, is likely going to continue to burn cash for the next 5 to 10 years as it grows, I wonder whether the other investors, i.e. the government of China, will fund NIO China at their own terms or they will respect NIO's valuation on the US stock market?

As this is a long term RMB financing agreement NIO made with the government, I would say NIO sold its soul to the devil and there is a big risk that US traded NIO shareholders might be regarded as secondary and get the short end of the deal.

This is a big risk, especially given the valuation of $90 billion for what actually is 86% of the real NIO China or probably even 76% if the government decides to add more money and increase its stake. Thus, NIO's full valuation should be around $104 billion based on the 86% stake in NIO China or $118 billion based on the 76% stake.

RISK 3 - Chinese owned businesses traded in US markets

I've been analyzing Chinese businesses for a while now, did really good with some, got burnt on others. But my general feeling regarding Chinese stocks now is that there where is smoke, there is also usually a fire. Perhaps it is just a small fire now, but given the current valuation and the initial stages of NIO's business development, the risks are simply too big to justify the valuation.

Talking about NIO's founder, in 2015 I have analyzed his former company Bitauto and figured how despite the stock price decline of 70%, it is still overpriced.

What is often the case with Chinese companies going public in the US is that those enjoy a period of exuberance when family members and friends sell their stakes, and then the market forgets about the stock and goes private again as investors start to focus on the real fundamentals while the promises are often broken.

Bitauto did exactly that, it had been a public company for more than 10 years, only to go private at a similar price that it went public.

Further, during the first Bitcoin craze in 2017, in 90% of the conference calls I listened from Chinese companies traded in the US, blockchain was mentioned as a great way to improve business. Fast forward 3 years, few mention blockchain, but most now mention EV related adventures. Is it because it is such a profitable industry or you can easily smooch a few billions from naïve US investors hoping to be exposed to the booming EV market in China?

NIO stock investing conclusion

Given the NIO and the complexity created by the NIO China issue, the fact that the company will not be profitable soon and that NIO China will need significant capital injections in the future, I feel that the market might get quickly bored with NIO, especially if there are more ownership shenanigans with different rights for different shareholders (given the partner it is very likely there will be more) and we could see the stock sharply decline over time and then go private again at much lower valuations that the current one.

In the meantime, NIO gets billions out of US markets through capital rising rounds that all fits well the Chinese agreement - Chinese NIO shareholders get rich by selling shares, US dollars fund the building of factories, production, technology development and jobs in China, all leading to the increasing of the wellbeing and power of the People's Republic of China at the cost of US shareholders.

There are plenty more risks regarding NIO, from the fact that it is an automotive company operating in a very cyclical industry, that the competition is extremely fierce and everybody wants to make EVs these days to the fact that the company spends $100,000 to make a car and sells it for $50,000.

So, anyways, I will stay away from NIO.

A click here leads to source.

I am selling my shares in NIO at the opening tomorrow.

And since you seem pretty close with Lucifer’s actions –

You can tell old Lucifer that he lost this one.

IALAU …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-03   19:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Gatlin (#62)

I am selling my shares in NIO at the opening tomorrow.

#1. Why did you buy NIO shares in the first place?

#2. How much are you going to lose tomorrow?

#3. I probably get a better return from my cows.

#4. While we're on the subject of your money, do you think you could mention me in your will?

watchman  posted on  2021-02-03   19:52:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: watchman (#41)

The hoax is spreading.

The devil’s use of half truths.

The Gospel for this Sunday presents us with a flurry of activity, set at the beginning of Christ’s public life. In the space of a few lines, the Lord Jesus has healed Simon’s mother-in-law, healed the diseases of the crowd, cast out many demons, gone to spend the night in prayer, been pursued by the whole town and gone on to preach elsewhere. We see here the dynamism and urgency of the love he bears toward the people of Galilee and, through them, toward us as well. Yet there are strange things tucked away in this continuous stream of ministry, and we would do well not to miss them.

Strangest among these is perhaps the fact that when the demons whom Jesus casts out say they know who he is, he silences them. In fact, the Gospel tells us that Christ does not permit the demons to speak precisely because they know him. Why would this be a good reason for silencing the demons? He does this, at least in part, because the demons lie even when they tell the truth.

It is a common tactic of our Enemy and his servants to use the truth, or at least parts of it, in order to confuse and tell lies. Evil is parasitic on good; it cannot exist on its own but must survive by twisting things that are good in themselves. Even the devil himself is not purely evil but a corruption of an angel, glorious among God’s creations, through pride and envy. So also with the work that the Enemy does. He could never convince us of anything if he tempted us with pure evil, entirely opposed to good, completely irrational and repulsive. He is able to do far more if he tells us the truth in the wrong way, at the wrong time or in the wrong context.

How might this look in our lives? Perhaps we are struggling with sorrow in our spiritual lives, having difficulty seeing that we are loved by God as his beloved children in baptism. Into that moment, the devil might whisper the truth that we are sinners who do not deserve to receive anything from God. While this is true, it is only part of the truth, and it is not the truth a person in sorrow really needs to hear. Perhaps we are having trouble convincing ourselves to really make an effort against a sinful habit in our lives. Into that moment, the devil speaks that God will take care of all things, and that confidence in his mercy should drive fear out of our souls. This is also true, but again, only part of the whole truth, and not what the person unwilling to fight against sin really needs to hear. By telling fragments of truth at the wrong moment, the devil can confuse us greatly, even influencing us to turn away from what our souls need, not to mention the damage he can do in the world with this underhanded tactic.

We fight this by silencing the devil whenever we become aware that we are hearing half-truths, or when we become aware that some particular truth is strangely holding us back from the Lord. We fight this by asking the Lord to contradict us with the whole truth, by becoming familiar enough with our faith to know when something is missing, and by submitting our judgment with humility to a wise and holy Catholic friend or director. Only Christ tells us the whole truth, out of perfect love for our souls, and with him, we can remain firm in silencing the demons wherever they seek entrance into our hearts.

Click here for source.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-03   20:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Gatlin (#64)

Click here for source.

Do you have any original thoughts or opinions on this hoax?

Arlington Catholic Herald

Now you're Catholic? Better ask the Pope...he might not want you.

watchman  posted on  2021-02-03   21:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: watchman (#65)

… Lucifer …

With all the advice you are giving out about Lucifer’s actions – perhaps you can help Adam Kinzinger since some claim he is possessed by the devil

Maybe you can work on it – When you have time.

Rep. Kinzinger: They claim 'I'm possessed by the devil'

Rep. Adam Kinzinger on Sunday offered a glimpse of what it’s like being one of the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach former President Donald Trump: Friends and family turned against him, and he was told he’s “possessed by the devil.”

“Look it’s really difficult. I mean, all of a sudden imagine everybody that supported you, or so it seems that way, your friends, your family, has turned against you. They think you're selling out,” the Illinois congressman said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

“I've gotten a letter, a certified letter, twice from the same people, disowning me and claiming I'm possessed by the devil.”

In the days after the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol, it appeared Republican leaders had decided to take a stand against Trump, with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy saying Trump bore “responsibility” and that he must accept blame for the riot.

But GOP members have begun heading back to the former president. On Thursday, McCarthy met with Trump at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, in a meeting that was later described as “very good and cordial.” The readout was released with a photo of the two men smiling.

“I was disappointed over the last few weeks to see what seemed like the Republican Party waking up and then kind of falling asleep again and saying, ‘Well, you know, what matters if we can win in two years and we don't want to tick off the base,’” Kinzinger said.

“The photo," he added, "shows that the former president is desperate to continue looking like he’s leading the party.”

Kinzinger has launched a website, Country1st.com, as an effort to refocus the Republican Party’s “conservative principles.”

“I think the Republican Party has lost its moral authority in a lot of areas,” he said. “How many people think that conservative principles are things like build the wall, and you know, charge the Capitol and have an insurrection? That’s what Country1st ... is all about — is just going back and saying, ‘Here’s what conservative principles are.'"

The Illinois Republican Party is expected to censure Kinzinger for his vote to impeach the president — what he referred to as “GOP cancel culture.” The same has happened for others like GOP Rep. Tom Rice of South Carolina after his vote to impeach. And last week, Rep. Matt Gaetz, (R-Fla.) went to Wyoming to rally against GOP. Rep. Liz Cheney for her moves against Trump.

“If you look at Matt Gaetz going to Wyoming because, what, a tough woman has an independent view and he doesn't want to have to go out and explain why he didn't vote for impeachment, that's totally GOP cancel culture," Kinzinger said. "What we're standing for, and I think what, frankly, a significant part of the base wants, is to say, ‘Look, we can have a diversity of opinion.’”

Outside of the intraparty chaos surrounding the former president’s impeachment, Republicans are also butting heads over the behavior of one of their own.

House Republicans are trying to distance themselves from Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) after hours of Facebook videos surfaced in which she expresses racist, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic views.

Kinzinger said the people have the right to choose their representatives, and that he isn’t sure he supports evicting the congresswoman. But he said he would vote her off committees to “take a stand.”

Source.

LMAO@U …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-03   21:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Gatlin (#66)

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) ... expresses racist, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic views.

What did she do? Tell the truth?

watchman  posted on  2021-02-03   21:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Gatlin (#66)

n the days after the Jan. 6 insurrection

A liar wrote what you quoted.

Your opinion is whatever google spits in your face.

Very few original ideas. Slandering people. Often incapable of answering simple questions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-03   22:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: watchman (#65)

Do you have any original thoughts or opinions on this hoax?

Yes, I do – and I will share them with you.

I find your mixture of claims, anecdotes and opinions where you continually say the coronavirus pandemic is a hoax and not real shows that you are 'out of touch with reality.' And unfortunately for you, being ‘out of touch with reality’ – is your reality.

That is tragic because your false claims that coronavirus is a hoax has been repeatedly debunked. Since coronavirus cases top 104 million and deaths surpass 2.25 million is definitely no hoax.

Proof that coronavirus is real is there – if you will only search for it.

And where will you find the proof?

You will find it:

  • In the coronavirus testing data.

  • By asking hospitals about coronavirus.

  • By talking to the coronavirus patients.

  • By asking the loved ones of the millions of people who have died if coronavirus is real.

  • By Looking to outlets that report on the scientific information nd read the science yourself.
There is an old saying:

"God takes care of fools …"

Please help God take care of you by doing the right thing for your own health and for the health of all others – by social distancing and wearing a mask.

And thus, help everyone be able to get through this pandemic at their healthiest.

You asked for:

My original thoughts or opinions on [you calling this pandemic a] hoax.

So, there you have some of them.

I know they will be of no use to you.

But, perhaps they can be to others …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-03   22:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: watchman (#67)

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) ... expresses racist, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic views.

What did she do?

Don’t ask me – Go find out.

Tell the truth?

What do you think?

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-03   22:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Gatlin (#69)

By asking the loved ones of the millions of people who have died if coronavirus is real.

I've already told you that the funeral homes are slower than ever before.

Where are they disposing of the "millions" of dead covid victims?

By Looking to outlets that report...

Satan is the god of this world. Satan is a deceiver/liar. The media outlets speak for Satan.

watchman  posted on  2021-02-03   23:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: watchman (#71)

There really is a covid disease. It's just over hyped. People really are dying of it. The weak mostly. The numbers are probably over reported. By how much I don't know.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-03   23:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#68)

A liar wrote what you quoted.

I quoted nothing.

I posted an article.

Your opinion is whatever google spits in your face.

I stated NO opinion.

Very few original ideas.

A careful perusal of those few reveals they are exceptional and by limiting the number – I am not overloading your weak brain.

Slandering people.

Slander is the legal term for the act of harming a person's reputation by telling one or more other people something that is untrue and damaging about that person.

Where exactly did I say anything untrue that damaged anyone?

Often incapable of answering simple questions.

Oh, they are answered alright.

It’s just that you are unable to understand the answers.

Or that you simply choose not to believe them.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-03   23:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone, watchman (#72)

There really is a covid disease.

Do you think watchman will believe you?

We shall see …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-03   23:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Gatlin (#73)

Oh, they are answered alright.

No you didn't. Somewhere Up there or on another thread you made a statement and I agreed with it. I asked for some real world examples. You gave me two names mine included. I didn't ask for names I asked for examples of the behavior. You couldn't do it. You just made unsubstantiated claims as you often do.

You still will not answer. That's ok it is par for the course with you. Either because you are lying or you're just a bit forgetful at your age. I think it is you're just forgetful. Nothing wrong with that we all grow old.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-03   23:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: watchman (#71)

I've already told you that the funeral homes are slower than ever before.

Where are they disposing of the "millions" of dead covid victims?

That is simply not true.

You need to check the sources of your information. It may be that Lucifer is feeding you lots of bullshit. Lucifer does things like that – So you say …

Check these sources for their reports:

Some funeral homes busier than ever
https://katv.com/news/local/some- funeral-homes-busier-than-ever-death-certificates-taking-too-long

Funeral homes, morgues grapple with surge in US Covid-19 deaths
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/15/health/funeral-homes- morgues-covid-deaths-wellness-partner/index.html

Funeral homes busy during COVID-19 pandemic
https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/2020/12/03/funeral-homes-busy- during-covid-19-pandemic/

San Joaquin County funeral homes overwhelmed with coronavirus deaths
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/fune r al-homes-overwhelmed-with-coronaviurs-deaths/103-fc0ad5cd-760d-47bd- a00b-08ce1c129265

L.A. County morgues overflow, funeral homes turn away grieving families amid COVID-19 surge
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a-county-morgues-overflow- funeral-homes-turn-away-grieving-families-amid-covid-19-surge/

COVID-19 deaths create work overload for funeral homes
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/covid-19- deaths-create-work-overload-for-funeral-homes/

California funeral homes run out of space as COVID-19 rages
https://www.wyomingnews.com/rocketminer/coronavirus/c a lifornia-funeral-homes-run-out-of-space-as-covid-19- rages/article_ec0a0c97-7fe7-59eb-acbb-5d38995a5dc2.html

Funeral home strained by COVID deaths
https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/funeral-home-strained- by-covid-deaths/69-aa82002d-68f6-4e4e-992d-d296bb26b9f5

Funeral homes see spike in services after surge of COVID-related deaths
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/funeral- homes- see-spike-in-services-after-surge-of-covid-related-deaths/

Mexican funeral homes face 'horrific' unseen coronavirus toll
https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med- fit/coronavirus/mexican-funeral-homes-face-horrific-unseen-coronavirus- toll/article_67c8fde6-bbe5-5f36-a8c3-1ec737e9f27a.html

COVID-19 pandemic stretches funeral homes to the limit
https://www.heraldstaronline.com/news/local-news/2021/01/covid- 19-pandemic-stretches-funeral-homes-to-the-limit/

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-03   23:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: A K A Stone (#72)

There really is a covid disease.

Indeed. Covid has been identified as a corona virus, which is simply the common cold. Covid presents just like the common cold, even milder. Most never know they have it.

And yes, a common cold can kill those with weak immune systems, underlying illnesses, especially the elderly.

The doctors I know personally and can speak candidly with about the virus cannot tell me how Covid corona differs from any other corona. For example, how does it target the lungs with more lethality that common corona.

The numbers are probably over reported. By how much I don't know.

Judging by the seasonal flu data I studied a year ago, the CDC plays fast and loose with statistics. They openly use pneumonia deaths to bolster their seasonal flu deaths by more than 50%. And, the national seasonal flu death rate never correlates with state death rates, neither of which correspond with reportage from state and local news outlets.

Add to this, the Covid testing equipment is just plain worthless. It gives a whopping 45% false positive. It's wrong half the time. Yikes!

watchman  posted on  2021-02-03   23:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Gatlin (#76)

You need to check the sources of your information.

I do check the sources. I check the funeral home obit listings.

I don't believe a word the CNN says.

So I went to one of the funeral homes listed in one of your links.

This funeral home web page has a ticker tape of Covid death world wide. However when you click "See all Obits" they have the normal listing I'd expect from people dying at a normal rate. Given this is a populated area the listings look a mite slim. Hope they don't fold like the empty hospitals are about to do.

watchman  posted on  2021-02-04   0:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: A K A Stone (#75)

Oh, they are answered alright.

No you didn't. Somewhere Up there or on another thread you made a statement and I agreed with it. I asked for some real world examples. You gave me two names mine included. I didn't ask for names I asked for examples of the behavior. You couldn't do it. You just made unsubstantiated claims as you often do.

You still will not answer. That's ok it is par for the course with you. Either because you are lying or you're just a bit forgetful at your age. I think it is you're just forgetful. Nothing wrong with that we all grow old.

You asked for examples. I gave you the names of persons.

You need to try to understand that a person is one to whom credit and blame may be attached, one who is deemed responsible. The concept of a person is the concept of an agent.

The word "person" derives from a Latin (and originally a Greek) word meaning "character in a drama" or "mask" (because actors wore masks). This usage survives today in the phrase "dramatis personae." To be a person, from this standpoint, is to play a role. The person is the role played.

I repeat: “The person is the role played.” Ergo, “the person is the example.”

If you simply cannot understand this, and you want me to go find quotes from those I listed – Then I surely will, and you know that.

Is that what you wanty me to do?

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-04   0:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: watchman, A K A Stone (#78) (Edited)

You need to check the sources of your information.

I do check the sources. I check the funeral home obit listings.

I don't believe a word the CNN says.

So I went to one of the funeral homes listed in one of your links.

This funeral home web page has a ticker tape of Covid death world wide. However when you click "See all Obits" they have the normal listing I'd expect from people dying at a normal rate. Given this is a populated area the listings look a mite slim. Hope they don't fold like the empty hospitals are about to do.

Let me get this straight.

You can tell that coronavirus is a hoax and people are not dying by going to the obit of a funeral home and comparing the number of deaths to those during the same time last year.

It that what you are saying?

Wow …

According to a global survey from YouGovM – “Around 13 percent of Americans think that the coronavirus probably or definitely isn’t real.”

I have now learned from reading here that …

,,, when talking to a COVID denier, focus on understanding and engaging, not convincing them, experts say. Ltting a COVID denier know you care about them can go a long way toward preserving the relationship, even if you can’t find common ground on the pandemic.

I will forever have no discussion about coronavirus with that in mind.

I wish you well – And I hope you stay healthy …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-04   0:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Gatlin (#79)

You asked for examples. I gave you the names of persons.

Names of persons isn't examples. I want to see if you can provide examples to your statement or if you misapply the statement.

Since you're to stupid to understand that. If you cannot provide an answer today. I will delete all of your replies as they are a waste of time and bandwidth.

I have spoken.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-04   8:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: A K A Stone (#81) (Edited)

Stone:

I have spoken.

As I read that – This image of you came to me …

Now, you do whatever you feel you need to do - Have at it.

This "dead chit-chat channel" has only a couple of active posters anyway.

So, the blank posts will mean actually nothing to anyone.

Gatlin:

I have replied.

LMAO …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-04   9:18:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Gatlin (#80)

Let me get this straight.

Please try. Try to organize the mush between your ears. You can do it!

You can tell that coronavirus is a hoax and people are not dying by going to the obit of a funeral home and comparing the number of deaths to those during the same time last year.

I didn't use the words "same as last year" but, yes, I bypass all of your fake news sources and go straight to the places that actually handle death...the funeral home. I'm authorized to marry and bury don't cha know? So I have a working relationship with many funeral homes across the nation.

But the scrolling ticker tape of death on that website you linked me to...what a comfort that must be to grieving mourners.

watchman  posted on  2021-02-04   9:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: A K A Stone (#81)

Stone, To save you effort to remove my future posts –
I’ve taken care of your ‘free expression control’ for you.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-05   5:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Gatlin (#80)

Wow … According to a global survey

Wow...all I did was visit a couple of funeral home websites (looking for Christian friends who may have died).

From your link...But in what seems to be a parallel universe live people who doubt that COVID-19 exists at all. Some believe that it is a myth created by some powerful forces...

"Power forces" reminds me of a Bible verse...

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

That would be God giving folks the delusion that they want.

I will forever have no discussion...

You might want to consider the deeper truth in your statement.

watchman  posted on  2021-02-05   7:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: All (#49)

I am witnessing the greatest, freest republic on earth being transformed into a technocracy that resembles communist China, the most oppressive regime on earth.

The coordinated disinformation campaign of ... the Democrat/technocrat/globalist narrative --- is an orchestrated effort to make Americans believe the unbelievable, and accept the unacceptable.

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=63184

If you ... don'T use exclamaTion poinTs --- you should'T be Typeing ! Commas - semicolons - quesTion marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2021-03-08   21:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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