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Title: Donald Trump Fought For Us. Now It’s Our Turn
Source: the federalist
URL Source: https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/2 ... ought-for-us-now-its-our-turn/
Published: Jan 27, 2021
Author: David Marcus
Post Date: 2021-01-27 20:23:40 by tankumo
Keywords: None
Views: 18061
Comments: 86

(Yes, we will fight with you, we want Trump back.)

Back in the early days of the Donald Trump phenomenon, whenever he supposedly got out of line a recurring joke about him was, “But he fights.” The pundits laughed. The poor rubes suckered by Trump were supposedly taken in by some canard that he was a fighter. But the fact is he was, he won a lot of those fights, and his voters are better off for those wins.

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#13. To: watchman (#11)

But he didn't "fight" the lockdowns (the very thing that destroyed America)

Donald Trump continually urged states to shun lockdowns while Joe Biden said the pandemic could not be stopped by "flipping a switch".

Trump also mocked mask mandates.

Had you clicked here as you were told to do so, you would have been duly informed that

Sole power to institute lockdowns or nor resides with the states in compliance with their state laws.

You have been asked –

Since you say that “[Donald Trump] didn’t fight to protect the vote” – then you of course ought to be fully prepared to describe precisely what he “didn’t” do and delineate specifically what you found so abhorrently lacking.

Please do so now …

So, you are now asked “AGAIN” to explain in great detail exactly how Trump could have “fought” to override state laws.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-01-28   10:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: watchman (#12)

I can project a lot of things.

As God is your witness, you repeatedly do that in great extremes.

It is evident that you use psychological projection as a defense mechanism whereby your try to get your ego to defend itself against unconscious impulses or insufficient qualities by denying their existence in themselves and thereby try to attribute them onto others.

I will give you an example: A bully will project his own feelings of vulnerability onto a person in an attempt to transfer his own feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto someone else.

You are definitely attempting to project your own feeling of confusion and inadequacy onto me when you say …

I can project that you will exercise your freedom to choose eternal life, but that's all it is, just a projection.

How is all of that “projection” working out for you …

Down at the funeral home the obituary listings show business is a little slow.

Just what in the hell are you doing: “Checking the obituary listings down at the funeral home to see how business is”?

That’s sick, watchman – Really SICK …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-01-28   10:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tankumo (#0)

He's still our man.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2021-01-28   12:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: watchman, tankumo (#11)

But he [Trump] didn't "fight" …

Trump will continue to fight for us in that: “Biden may be stuck with the cronies and allies Trump appointed to government boards.”

Biden’s team is looking into whether it can replace dozens of Trump’s last-minute appointments to boards and commissions. It won’t be easy.

Before leaving office, Donald Trump appointed dozens of allies and former aides to a wide range of government boards and commissions — and there's not much Joe Biden can do about it.

Pam Bondi is helping oversee the Kennedy Center for Performing Arts. Kellyanne Conway is primed for a posting on the board of the Air Force Academy. And Corey Lewandowski is set to serve on a panel that gives business advice to the secretary of Defense.

For the next four years, Biden will be stuck with Trump’s partisan warriors — some with no or little experience — having input on schools and museums and recommending policies on everything from defense to agriculture.

It’s just another way Trump left his imprint on the federal government in the days after he was ousted from office. He fought to overturn the election and postpone the transition in unprecedented ways. He moved his political appointees into powerful but protected career jobs. And he gave presidential appointments to dozens and dozens of supporters, allies, and campaign and administration aides.

Biden’s team is trying to determine whether they can do anything about the appointments, a person familiar with the situation said. “We are tracking closely and seeing what we can do,” the person said.

But those who have reviewed the law governing the boards say removing appointees can be difficult, especially if they come with political or business connections that could help the organizations. Most appointees do not need Senate confirmation and will remain until the end of their yearslong terms. Those who support Trump’s appointments say if Congress opposes the appointment process, lawmakers should change it.

The prestigious appointments are generally considered ways to pad resumes and though they generally do not come with salaries, they could come with travel money or perks, such as seats in the trustees boxes at Kennedy Center.

Matt Schlapp, who is a Trump ally and husband of former campaign and White House aide Mercedes Schlapp, dismissed criticisms of partisan appointments, saying he was honored to be asked to serve on the Library of Congress Trust Fund Board.

“I’ve always looked forward to working with Democrats and have always had great friendships with people who disagree with me politically,” he said. “I think one of the most tragic things about the period of time we’re in ... is we’ve lost that and if you lose that in Washington, D.C. It’s a big problem.”

Members of the Library of Congress Trust Fund Board aren’t removed when a new president is elected, said Brett Zongker, chief of media relations at the Library of Congress. Rather, he said, vacancies are filled by the president or others at the end of a member’s term, which are five years, though they may be asked to remain for an additional year.

Lewandowski and fellow Trump political adviser David Bossie, both named to the Pentagon Defense Business Board, are in the midst of completing their ethics paperwork and security checks, defense officials say. That delay could mean they will ultimately be replaced because they serve “at the pleasure of the secretary of defense.”

In December, nine members of that Pentagon board were removed to make way for Trump loyalists, including Lewandowski and Bossie.

Outside of removal, members come and go based on their tenure on the board, the personal time they have available to serve, and the relevance of their focus areas, defense officials say. During each administration, board membership is reviewed, changed and adjusted depending on the secretary’s priorities for all boards, these officials say.

Some Trump appointees decided to depart with Trump. Lobbyist Bryan Lanza, who worked on Trump’s 2016 campaign and the transition, was tapped for the President’s Advisory Commission on Hispanic Prosperity in December. He said he withdrew after Biden was sworn into office last week.

But others are apparently sticking around. Steve Cortes, another Trump campaign aide who is still advising Trump, is still listed as a member of that same commission.

Previous presidents of both parties have made similar appointments on their way out of the door. In the final weeks of his term, President Barack Obama appointed major Democratic donor Fred Eychaner and senior adviser Valerie Jarrett to the Kennedy Center board. Both served on the board through the entire Trump presidency and continue to serve their six-year terms.

“We aren’t aware of a process for removal,” said Brendan Padgett, the director of public relations at the Kennedy Center.

But those who have studied modern presidential transitions say the difference this time is that Trump’s appointees generally have little or no experience with the subject on which they are being tasked.

“Most presidents make these prestige appointments based on what the individuals either did for them in the past or could do for the organizations they serve in the present, while Trump paid special attention to appointing people who could save him from prosecution in the present and maintain influence in the future,” said Paul Light, a professor of public service at New York University who has closely studied presidential transitions over the years. “Trump's motto has been to ‘ask not what you can do for the country, but what you can do for me.’"

Trump named three loyalists to the Holocaust Memorial Museum’s board: body man Nick Luna; former acting director of national intelligence Ric Grenell, who later advised Trump’s reelection campaign; and Andrew Giuliani, who served as sports liaison in the White House and is the son of Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani. No president has tried to remove a member since the first council was established in 1980, said Andy Hollinger, museum communications director.

Giuliani said he was honored to be appointed to the council “especially by a president who has done more for Israel than any president in the history of the United States.” Others appointed to that and other boards did not respond to requests for comment.

Hope Hicks, one of Trump’s closest confidants, was tapped for the board overseeing the prestigious Fulbright scholarship. She joins former press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who launched a campaign for Arkansas governor on Monday largely focused on her work in the Trump White House. Sanders was appointed to the board in 2019.

Elaine Chao, who served as Trump’s transportation secretary and is the wife of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and lobbyist Brian Ballard, who helped raise money for Trump, were named to the Kennedy Center board. They’ll join Lee Greenwood who wrote “God Bless the U.S.A.,” the song Trump played at every MAGA campaign rally.

David Legates, a top administration official who has questioned how much global warming is manmade, was appointed to the committee responsible for selecting the National Medal of Science winners.

And in one of his last appointments, Trump appointed Alabama attorney Mark McDaniel, who represents the family of one of the Capitol rioters killed Jan. 6, to the International Food and Agricultural Development board, which advises the U.S. Agency for International Development on agriculture projects in developing nations.

“The nature of the people he put on are more troubling,” said Max Stier, president and chief executive officer of the Partnership for Public Service, a nonprofit that works to make government more effective and efficient. “It’s not to say every previous president has in fact selected high-quality germane people for these positions ... but the nature of Trump’s choices are a step beyond what has been done before ... There is zero relevance or expertise.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/28/biden- trump-allies-government-boards-463381

Gatlin  posted on  2021-01-28   13:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin (#8)

3-22-2020

3-19-2020

Dammit! What was I thinking? I got my occultic dates and timelines confused.

3-22-2020 was the 40th anniversary of the Georgia Guide Stones. You've probably heard of them. They start off by reducing the world population from 8 billion to 500 million. Oh, and setting up one world government and one world language...stuff like that.

Here's a list of the guidelines for mankind:

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.

3. Unite humanity with a living new language.

4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.

5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.

6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.

8. Balance personal rights with social duties.

9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.

10. Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

Just back 3 days from the Guide Stones anniversary. That's when Trump handed us over to FEMA. I'm sure there is no correlation between those two dates.

watchman  posted on  2021-01-28   13:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin (#13)

Trump also mocked mask mandates.

But you love mask mandates (and all things pandemic)

Now you are praising Trump for mocking mask mandates.

When did you make this about-face?

watchman  posted on  2021-01-28   13:47:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: watchman (#17)

Dammit! What was I thinking?

The correct question is:

“Why don’t you learn to think?

You make it ever so obvious that you never have.

I got my occultic dates and timelines confused.

Nothing new here –

You mind is in an eternal state of confusion.

I'm sure there is no correlation between those two dates.

Yet another one of your amazing “projections?”

After all, that’s what you confessed that you do – “project” …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-01-28   13:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: watchman (#18)

Trump also mocked mask mandates.

But you love mask mandate …

Ah Ha …

Yet another of your completely unfounded “projections.”

I neither said that I love or support a “mask mandate.”

I simply said I wear a N95 mask because I believe from research that they are effective.

… (and [love] all things pandemic).

Now hat’s an utterly stupid statement.

But not unusual – coming from you.

Now you are praising Trump for mocking mask mandates.

Wrong – AGAIN.

I merely reported that he mocked them.

I said nothing to “praise” him.

When did you make this about-face?

Why don’t you learn to “read for comprehension?”

It’s something you can easily learn to do …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-01-28   14:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: watchman (#18)

… Trump …

Trump adviser says former president will be ‘actively involved’ in GOP politics, not interested in third party.

A longtime adviser to Donald Trump says the former president will be "actively involved" in Republican Party politics going forward. And that includes supporting primary challenges against those that have crossed Trump.

"The president continues to have enormous support and approval among Republican primary voters. He continues to have hundreds of millions of dollars in his campaign account, which he can utilize. And he will continue to be actively involved in recruiting candidates and holding elected officials accountable for their votes," Corey Lewandowski told Fox News on Thursday.

Lewandowski, who managed Trump’s 2016 presidential primary campaign and served as a top adviser on the 2020 reelection effort, also shot down suggestions that the former president would form a splinter party, saying "I don’t think the president has any interest in being part of a third party."

board Air Force One at Andrews Air Force Base, Md., Wednesday, Jan. 20, 2021.(AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta) Lewandowski spoke with Fox News hours before Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, a top Trump supporter and ally, was scheduled to hold a rally at the state capitol in Wyoming to take aim at Rep. Liz Cheney in her home state. Cheney, the House Republican Conference chair, is facing calls by a majority of House Republicans to be stripped of her number three leadership position. The move comes after she was the most high profile of the 10 Republicans who two weeks ago joined all 222 Democrats in the chamber in voting to impeach Trump on a charge of inciting the Jan. 6 insurrection on the U.S. Capitol.

Wednesday night, on the eve of Gaetz’s trip to Wyoming, the former president’s leadership political action committee, Save America, released a poll that suggested that Cheney was politically wounded among Republicans by her vote to impeach Trump.

Gaetz told Fox News and other news organizations on Monday, "I have not spoken with the president since his departure from Washington but it is my understanding that he is very encouraging of my efforts." He added that "I speak regularly with many members of the Trump family. I’ve shared with them that I’m going to Wyoming and received nothing but encouragement."

Pointing to the poll, he emphasized, "I think that Liz Cheney is realizing that in a state that has about a plus-64 Republican rating – some argue the most Republican or conservative state in the country – there are real repercussions for voting to impeach someone based on words."

And he predicted that stripping Cheney of her leadership role would likely be one of the topics of conversation on Thursday with Trump meets face-to-face in Florida with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.

Besides the possibility of losing her leadership position, Cheney’s already facing multiple primary challenges to her House seat in Wyoming.

Lewandowski said that Trump would be involved in supporting primary challenges against some of the 10 Republicans who voted to impeach him.

"They will all get primary challenges in my opinion," Lewandowski said. "I don’t know at what level the president’s going to weigh in on each of those races, but I think he will be involved in a number of them."

And Lewandowski said the poll commissioned by the former president’s political team is just the first, with more surveys to come on other Republicans up for reelection in 2022 who didn’t support Trump’s unsuccessful efforts to upend his presidential election loss to President Biden.

President Donald Trump's campaign advisor Corey Lewandowski, center, speaks about a court order obtained to grant more access to vote counting operations at the Pennsylvania Convention Center, Thursday, Nov. 5, 2020, in Philadelphia, following Tuesday's election. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum) President Donald Trump's campaign advisor Corey Lewandowski, center, speaks about a court order obtained to grant more access to vote counting operations at the Pennsylvania Convention Center, Thursday, Nov. 5, 2020, in Philadelphia, following Tuesday's election. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum) Recent national reports suggested that the former president was in discussions with top political advisers over potentially forming a third party – possibly named "The Patriot Party" – which Trump would lead and use to compete with the GOP.

But Trump's 2020 campaign senior adviser Jason Miller told Fox News on Sunday that the former president’s "made clear his goal is to win back the House and Senate for Republicans in 2022." Miller added that "there’s nothing that’s actively being planned regarding an effort outside of that, but it’s completely up to Republican Senators if this is something that becomes more serious."

That appeared to be an implicit warning to Republican senators not to join Senate Democrats in voting to convict Trump in the upcoming Senate impeachment trial.

Asked about the prospects of Trump forming a splinter group down the road, Lewandowski said "I don’t think the president has any interest in being part of a third party."

"The ballot access requirements for third parties are exceptionally difficult," he noted. "If the goal is to elect individuals, a third party is not a good vehicle to do that historically speaking. I think the president is going to work within the two party structure that currently exists and he’ll be very effective inside that structure."

Trump has repeatedly vowed to play an influential role in the GOP going forward, and also flirting with a 2024 presidential run to try and win back the White House.

While politically wounded by the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by right-wing extremists and other Trump supporters intent on disrupting congressional certification of Biden’s White House victory – after encouragement from the then-president – the latest polling indicates Trump remains very popular among Republicans.

"We’re going to see how much influence the president wants to exert going forward," said Lewandowski. "I don’t think anybody knows that yet."

Lewandowski also said he wasn’t sure if Trump will attend the upcoming Conservative Political Action Conference.

The largest and most influential annual gathering of conservatives – which best known by its acronym CPAC – is being held outside of the Washington, D.C., area for the first time in is nearly half century history. As Fox News first reported in December, amid the coronavirus pandemic, the confab will be held in person in Orlando, Fla., not too far from Trump’s home in Palm Beach.

The conference has become a mecca for the MAGA world during the Trump era, but Lewandowski said the former president "has not determined if he’ll be attending yet.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/corey- lewandowski-trump-actively-involved-gop-politics

Gatlin  posted on  2021-01-28   14:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: watchman (#18) (Edited)

But you love mask mandates …

Again – I never said any such thing.

I simply said that I wear a N95 face mask, and here is why –

From the Mayo Clinic:

Can face masks help slow the spread of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19?

Yes

… face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the virus.

So why weren't face masks recommended at the start of the pandemic? At that time, experts didn't know the extent to which people with COVID-19 could spread the virus before symptoms appeared. Nor was it known that some people have COVID-19 but don't have any symptoms. Both groups can unknowingly spread the virus to others.

These discoveries led public health groups to do an about-face on face masks. The World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) now include face masks in their recommendations for slowing the spread of the virus. The CDC recommends cloth face masks for the public and not the surgical and N95 masks needed by health care providers.

Surgical masks

Also called a medical mask, a surgical mask is a loose-fitting disposable mask that protects the wearer's nose and mouth from contact with droplets, splashes and sprays that may contain germs. A surgical mask also filters out large particles in the air. Surgical masks may protect others by reducing exposure to the saliva and respiratory secretions of the mask wearer.

At this time, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved any type of surgical mask specifically for protection against the coronavirus, but these masks may provide some protection when N95 masks are not available.

N95 masks

Actually a type of respirator, an N95 mask offers more protection than a surgical mask does because it can filter out both large and small particles when the wearer inhales. As the name indicates, the mask is designed to block 95% of very small particles.

Health care providers must be trained and pass a fit test to confirm a proper seal before using an N95 respirator in the workplace. Like surgical masks, N95 masks are intended to be disposable. However, researchers are testing ways to disinfect N95 masks so they can be reused.

Some N95 masks, and even some cloth masks, have one-way valves that make them easier to breathe through. But because the valve releases unfiltered air when the wearer breathes out, this type of mask doesn't prevent the wearer from spreading the virus. For this reason, some places have banned them.

Cloth masks

A cloth mask is intended to trap droplets that are released when the wearer talks, coughs or sneezes. Asking everyone to wear cloth masks can help reduce the spread of the virus by people who have COVID-19 but don't realize it.

Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of the COVID- 19 virus when they are widely used by people in public settings. And countries that required face masks, testing, isolation and social distancing early in the pandemic have successfully slowed the spread of the virus.

While surgical and N95 masks may be in short supply and should be reserved for health care providers, cloth face coverings and masks are easy to find or make, and can be washed and reused.

Masks can be made from common materials, such as sheets made of tightly woven cotton. Instructions are easy to find online. Cloth masks should include multiple layers of fabric. The CDC website even includes directions for no-sew masks made from bandannas and T-shirts.

How to wear a cloth face mask

The CDC recommends that you wear a cloth face mask when you're around people who don't live with you and in public settings when social distancing is difficult.

Here are a few pointers for putting on and taking off a cloth mask:

Wash or sanitize your hands before and after putting on and taking off your mask.

Place your mask over your mouth and nose.

Tie it behind your head or use ear loops and make sure it's snug.

Don't touch your mask while wearing it.If you accidentally touch your mask, wash or sanitize your hands.

If your mask becomes wet or dirty, switch to a clean one. Put the used mask in a sealable bag until you can wash it.

Remove the mask by untying it or lifting off the ear loops without touching the front of the mask or your face.

Wash your hands immediately after removing your mask.

Regularly wash your mask with soap and water by hand or in the washing machine. It's fine to launder it with other clothes.

And, here are a few face mask precautions:

Don't put masks on anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious or otherwise unable to remove the mask without help.

Don't put masks on children under 2 years of age.Don't use face masks as a substitute for social distancing.

The CDC doesn't recommend using face shields istead of masks because it's unclear how much protection they provide. However, wearing a face mask may not be possible in every situation. If you must use a face shield instead of a mask, choose one that wraps around the sides of your face and extends below your chin.

Tips for adjusting to a face mask:

It can be challenging to get used to wearing a face mask. Here are some tips for making the transition:

Start slow. Wear your mask at home for a short time, such as while watching television. Then wear it during a short walk. Slowly increase the time until you feel more comfortable.

Find your fit. If your mask isn't comfortable or is too difficult to breathe through, consider other options. Masks come in a variety of styles and sizes.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases- conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

Gatlin  posted on  2021-01-28   14:51:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: watchman (#11)

… Trump …

House Republicans who voted to impeach face backlash at home in test of Trump's staying power

The wave of backlash facing 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach former President Donald Trump has turned their 2022 primaries into tests of how long Trump, now out of office, can hold the stage in Republican politics -- and whether GOP voters are willing to turn the midterms into tests of loyalty to him.

At home, anger among Republican officials, donors and voters at those who voted to impeach Trump has erupted, with state and local officials condemning their votes and primary challengers -- benefiting from bookings on right-wing media -- launching their campaigns early. The group of 10 Republicans includes moderates in swing districts, as well as some reliable conservatives, including the No. 3-ranking House Republican, Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, and South Carolina Rep. Tom Rice.

"It started out big and it's still growing. People are angry," said Bryan Miller, the Republican chairman in Wyoming's Sheridan County who said he plans to run against Cheney in the party's 2022 primary. "She's not living up to what we in Wyoming wanted, across the board. And it's a huge betrayal."

Anthony Bouchard, a Wyoming state senator who is also running against Cheney, said he's been "flooded" with messages encouraging a primary run.

Living with ulcerative colitis affected Jacklyn physically and emotionally but, with support from her family and healthcare team, she became empowered to advocate for herself.

"I believe that her impeachment vote revealed who she has allegiance to, and I don't think the voters will forget it any time soon," Bouchard said.

The early seeds of primary trouble for House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump is an illustration of how much loyalty the former President retains within his party, weeks after he departed office and was removed from his favorite social media platforms.

Whether the anger against those 10 lawmakers will survive the next year is far from clear, with congressional districts' makeup certain to shift as states complete the once-a-decade process of redrawing district lines and more than a year for the anger to dissipate and the GOP's focus to move past Trump.

"Each and every one of those 10, when they made that vote, they knew in their heads and in their hearts it was probably a political death sentence. They knew that," said former Rep. Joe Walsh, the conservative Illinois Republican whose 2020 primary against Trump did not gain traction.

He said any establishment donor money that goes to support those 10 GOP lawmakers will be "dwarfed" by money aimed at ousting them.

"I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of them not even run again, depending on how their districts shake out" after redistricting, Walsh said.

It's also too early to tell how willing Trump and his family members will be to insert themselves in intra-party battles -- especially after social media bans limited Trump's ability to reach wide audiences easily -- and whether Trump's ire will be focused narrowly on Republicans he believes wronged him, such as Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who rebuffed Trump's efforts to overturn the state's election result, or if he will cast a wider net. The New York Times reported that Trump is most focused on ousting Kemp, potentially through a primary challenge by former Rep. Doug Collins, and that Cheney is the former President's next focus.

Trump has been showing allies a poll of Wyoming voters commissioned by his super PAC and conducted by Trump's longtime pollster John McLaughlin to make the case that Cheney's vote on impeachment is not popular among Republicans there, a source told CNN. His super PAC also issued a news release highlighting the poll.

On Capitol Hill, Cheney has faced challenges to her leadership role. Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida traveled Thursday to Wyoming's state Capitol for a rally opposing Cheney.

Donald Trump Jr. called into Gaetz's event and said Cheney should be ousted in next year's primary.

"It's time to have a change at the top. It's time to have people that are going to start representing the people -- not their own agendas, not their own nonsense, but their constituency," he said. "And since the people of Wyoming are clearly not thrilled with Liz Cheney, let's find someone who can replace her and actually do that job well."

The Republicans who voted to impeach Trump have all defended their votes by saying they were a matter of principle after Trump encouraged attendees at a January 6 rally to march on the US Capitol -- which led to the deadly riot that afternoon.

Amid the complications of primary challenges against House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump is the potential that -- like in Wyoming -- multiple candidates could enter primaries, fracturing the opposition to vulnerable Republican incumbents.

Still, the impeachment vote has led some state and local parties, as well as major donors, to say that they are dropping their support for those Republicans -- for good.

In Washington, the state's Republican Central Committee passed a resolution condemning Trump's impeachment "without question or exception" and expressing disappointment at Reps. Dan Newhouse and Jaime Herrera Beutler, two of the 10 Republicans who voted in favor of impeachment.

The Clark County Republican Women's Group sent a letter to Herrera Beutler explicitly saying it would recruit and back a primary challenger.

"We will do everything in our power as the largest Republican Women's organization in Washington state to recruit and elect a conservative candidate who will represent our values," the group said in the January 13 letter.

The letter said that "this vote will never be forgotten, as your action is a personal affront to the 70 million plus Americans who voted for our President."

In Michigan, the Allegan County Republican Party censured Rep. Fred Upton for his vote, saying that he "betrayed oath of office and core values" of the county party.

Tom Norton, the third-place finisher in a 2020 primary won by Rep. Peter Meijer in western Michigan, said he is running again and appeared on former Trump adviser Steve Bannon's podcast two weeks ago.

Gene Koprowski -- who launched a primary bid against Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger, one of the GOP's most outspoken Trump critics -- named the campaign committee he created on January 14 "Impeach Adam Kinzinger 2022."

The "issues" page on the website launched by former Fresno city councilman Chris Mathys, who says he'll take on Rep. David Valadao in California, contains just three sentences, all targeting Valadao's impeachment vote: "President Trump has fought in our behalf to protect our conservative republican values. It is unbelievable that congressman David Valadao would for the impeachment of President Donald Trump. I will do everything to restore our conservative values as a conservative republican."

Ken Richardson, the chairman of the school board in South Carolina's Horry County, said he'd long thought he might run for the congressional seat of Rice -- a conservative House member who was among the most surprising votes to impeach Trump -- years down the road.

"I didn't know that Tom was going to shoot himself in the foot. But he's done that," Richardson said. "To say I'm getting calls would be an understatement."

He called Rice "a nice guy" and noted that Rice had been to barbecues at his house.

"But the county that we live in right now -- 71% of the people voted for Donald Trump. And if you're the congressman for this area, you've got to understand, that's not Tom Rice's seat and it's not Ken Richardson's seat. That seat belongs to the people," Richardson said.

Those considering primary runs said they have already heard from major Republican donors -- and are convinced that GOP primary voters' anger toward those who voted to impeach Trump will ease before the 2022 primaries. "I do not think this is going to dissipate," Miller said.

Richardson said: "There's no doubt in my mind it's going to last way past the election."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/28/politics/house- republicans-impeach-trump-backlash/index.html

Gatlin  posted on  2021-01-28   17:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: watchman (#6)

… the corona hoax …

As the resident Denialist calls it.

Denialist – A person who does not acknowledge the truth of a concept or proposition that is supported by the majority of scientific or historical evidence.

Whatever watchman wishes to label it –

It is expected that 100K will die of Coronavirus in Biden’s first month in office.

January has been the deadliest month of the pandemic, with more than 80,000 people dying from COVID-19.

AS MANY AS 100,000 people are projected to die of the coronavirus in the first month of President Joe Biden's tenure, raising the U.S. death toll above half a million, according to a forecast by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Wednesday during a White House coronavirus response team briefing that the death toll from COVID-19 is forecast to reach between 479,000 to 514,000 people by Feb. 20 – a month after Inauguration Day.

A previous forecast from the CDC updated on Jan. 14 estimated coronavirus deaths would surpass 400,000 by the time President Joe Biden was sworn into office. On Jan. 19, a day before Biden was inaugurated and roughly a year after the first case of the virus was identified in the country, the death toll in America hit 400,000.

The projections for the start of the president's tenure come amid a frenzied national effort to distribute vaccine doses across the country. As of Tuesday, nearly 20 million people had received their first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, with more than 3.4 million people receiving both doses, the CDC reported.

Biden on Tuesday announced plans to purchase 200 million more vaccine doses from Moderna and Pfizer, raising the total U.S. vaccine order to 600 million. But the White House has itself acknowledged that the mass inoculation effort is going to take time.

According to data from Johns Hopkins University, more than 426,900 people have died in the U.S., the highest tally in the world, and the country has seen more than 25.5 million cases of COVID-19, also the highest in the world.

January, which still has five daily death tolls to be counted, has been the deadliest month of the pandemic, with more than 80,000 people dying from COVID-19. This month's deaths surpassed December, the previous deadliest month, by more than a thousand.

And the increase of coronavirus variants – some of which seem to be more transmissible – being discovered around the world and in the U.S. has public health officials worried. Walensky said the emergence of these variants "underscores the need for public health action." She urged people to avoid unnecessary travel and to continue to social distance and wear masks, as well as get vaccinated when it's available.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-01- 27/cdc- 100k-projected-to-die-of-coronavirus-in-bidens-first-month-in-office

Gatlin  posted on  2021-01-28   19:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: watchman (#6)

…the corona hoax …

The number of Covid-19 virus cases in the United States exceeded 26 million today, while overall – authorities in 219 countries and territories have reported about 103.2 million Covid‑19 virus cases.

How can you possibly call this a “hoax?”

Hoax Definition: “A humorous or malicious deception.”

There is certainty you pandemic-deniers are not on the same page with reality. You refuse to wear a face mask or publicly disregard social distancing rules. Some deniers even raise their indignation and anger to an unnecessarily dramatic level of outrage. And we constantly hear front and center that it is your rights.

Oftentimes, your dramas suggest such a grim confidence and certainty, as if it is firmly grounded in some reassuring conspiracy theory. Other times your denial may suggest instead a concealed distress with a desperation masquerading as total disbelief.

When such a strong grip on your beliefs becomes excessive and overdetermined, it can easily suggest a lurking fear of losing one's grip. So, one might wonder. Might that tight grip be just what is holding you pandemic-deniers together mentally – thinking that you feel level-headed?

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-01   15:53:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#25)

cases

It's not a pandemic...it's a casedemic.

Trump said the pandemic was a Democrat hoax. He was right.

Fauci said that face masks don't work. He, too, was right.

But if you wish, you can wear 2 masks. That will exempt me from wearing one.

watchman  posted on  2021-02-01   16:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: watchman (#25)

Watchman:

…the corona hoax …

Pandemic's Deadliest Month in US Ends With Signs of Progress.

The deadliest month of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. has drawn to a close with certain signs of progress: COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations are plummeting, while vaccinations are picking up speed.

The deadliest month yet of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. drew to a close with certain signs of progress: COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations are plummeting, while vaccinations are picking up speed.

The question is whether the nation can stay ahead of the fast-spreading mutations of the virus.

The U.S. death toll has climbed past 440,000, with over 95,000 lives lost in January alone. Deaths are running at about 3,150 per day on average, down slightly by about 200 from their peak in mid-January.

But as the calendar turned to February on Monday, the number of Americans in the hospital with COVID-19 fell below 100,000 for the first time in two months. New cases of infection are averaging about 148,000 day, falling from almost a quarter-million in mid-January. And cases are trending downward in all 50 states.

“While the recent decline in cases and hospital admissions are encouraging, they are counterbalanced by the stark reality that in January we recorded the highest number of COVID-19 deaths in any month since the pandemic began," said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Deaths do not move in perfect lockstep up or down with the infection curve. They are a lagging indicator, because it can take a few weeks for people to get sick and die from COVID-19.

Dr. Philip Landrigan, an epidemiologist at Boston College, said vaccines are a factor in the sharp drop in cases but are not the primary cause. Instead, he said, the crisis has become increasingly “depoliticized” in recent weeks as more people come to grips with the threat and how they can help slow the spread of the virus.

“I don’t think you can underestimate the importance of this culture change. I think it’s critically important,” he said.

After a slow start, the vaccination drive that began in mid-December is picking up the pace. More than 32.2 million doses have been administered in the U.S., according to the CDC. That is up from 16.5 million on the day President Joe Biden took office, Jan. 20.

The number of shots dispensed in the week and a half since Biden's inauguration has been running at around 1.3 million per day on average, well over the president's oft-stated goal of 1 million per day. More than 5.9 million Americans have received the required two doses, the CDC said.

However, the CDC reported Monday that many nursing home workers are not getting their shots when doses are first offered.

Researchers looked at more than 11,000 nursing homes and other such facilities that had at least one vaccination clinic between mid-December and mid-January. While 78% of residents got at least one shot, only 37.5% of staff members did. Surveys suggest some nursing home workers are skeptical of the shots' effectiveness and don’t think viruses spread easily from them to the people they care for.

Three mutated variants of the virus from Britain, South Africa and Brazil have been detected in the U.S. The British one spreads more easily and is believed to be deadlier, but the South Africa one is prompting even more concern because of early indications that vaccines may not be as protective against it.

The more the virus spreads, the more opportunities it has to mutate.

Walensky urged Americans to get vaccinated as soon as shots become available to them, and stressed it’s no time to relax basic precautions such as wearing masks.

Meanwhile, a snowstorm Monday forced the closing of many vaccination sites in the Northeast, including in New York City and Connecticut.

And a plan to reopen Chicago schools to roughly 62,000 students for the first time since March remained in doubt. Last-minute negotiations over COVID-19 safety measures with the teachers’ union stalled, increasing the possibility of a strike or lockout if educators do not show up for work.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-02- 01/pandemics-deadliest-month-in-us-ends-with-signs-of-progress

We can only wonder how quickly we might have beaten back COVID-19 if those so eager to deny reality had instead focused on stopping the spread of coronavirus. Because so many still refuse to accept the reality of this pandemic, the rest of us are at greater risk.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   3:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: watchman (#26)

It's not a pandemic...it's a casedemic.

Casedemic?
There is no such thing.
You continue just make shit up and spread it.
Why do you …

Trump said the pandemic was a Democrat hoax.

Biden distorts Trump’s words on virus ‘hoax.’

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden is presenting a distorted account of President Donald Trump’s words on the coronavirus, wrongly suggesting Trump branded the virus a hoax.

In fact, Trump pronounced Democratic criticism of his pandemic response a hoax.

Biden tweeted a video mashup of Trump’s rhetoric on the crisis, sampling the many times the president has underplayed the severity of the pandemic.

THE FACTS: The accusation and the selective video editing are misleading. At the rally featured in the video, Trump actually said the phrases “the coronavirus” and “this is their new hoax” at separate points. Although his meaning is difficult to discern, the broader context of his words shows he was railing against Democrats for their denunciations of his administration’s coronavirus response.

“Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus,” he said. “You know that, right? Coronavirus. They’re politicizing it.” He meandered briefly to the subject of the messy Democratic primary in Iowa, then the Russia investigation before returning to the pandemic. “They tried the impeachment hoax. ... And this is their new hoax.”

Asked at a news conference the next day to clarify his remarks, Trump made clear he was not referring to the coronavirus itself as a hoax.

“No, no, no.” he said. ”‘Hoax’ referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we’ve done such a good job. The hoax is on them, not -- I’m not talking about what’s happening here. I’m talking what they’re doing. That’s the hoax.”

He continued: “Certainly not referring to this. How could anybody refer to this? This is very serious stuff.”

The video’s reference to “Trump in private” calling the virus a “killer” comes from the president’s interview in April with author and journalist Bob Woodward, whose new book “Rage” contains Trump’s acknowledgment that he was playing down the virus threat in public, so as to avoid panic.

But it is incorrect for Biden to suggest, as the video does, that Trump insisted the virus was a hoax before ultimately acknowledging to the author in April that it was deadly and serious.

Trump on several occasions before that did refer publicly to the virus as a “plague” and a “killer,” while also falsely dismissing it as something that would go away on its own, in hot weather or otherwise.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check- politics-joe-biden-1eea443cca46df5f18e61b7c34549da2

Biden wrongly suggesting Trump branded the virus a hoax.
You are now cloning Biden and doing the same.
Is there no end to your insane irrationality?

Fauci said that face masks don't work.

Listen up, you fool – Fauci has indeed been wrong on the coronavirus from the get-go.

The Washington Times [and other sources]:

Anthony Fauci should be viewed with 'skepticism and caution.'

You continue to believe only what you want to believe.

Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values.

Why people are wired to believe what they want to believe

When thinking about the current political moment, it’s important to remember that as human beings we’re wired to interpret new information as confirming our beliefs and reject it if it runs counter to those beliefs.

First, there’s physiology. Sara Gorman, a public health specialist, and her father, Jack, a psychiatrist, explore this matter in their book Denying to the Grave: Why We Ignore the Facts That Will Save Us. They cite research that suggests that processing information that supports one’s beliefs leads to a dopamine rush, which creates feelings of pleasure. Moral psychologist Jonathan Haidt, author of The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, says that “extreme partisanship may be literally addictive.”

On the flip side, “When something is inconsistent with existing beliefs, people tend to stumble. … Information that is inconsistent with one’s beliefs produces a negative affective response,” according to Norbert Schwarz, Eryn Newman and William Leach, experts in cognitive psychology.

In a sense, people see what they want to see, in order to believe what they want to believe. In addition, everyone likes to be proven right, and changing their views is an admission that they were wrong, or at least had an incomplete understanding of an issue.

Beliefs are also often tied up with identities. “If changing your belief means changing your identity, it comes at the risk of rejection from the community of people with whom you share that identity,” according to chemist and science writer Christine Herman. That is difficult to do.

In a sense, people see what they want to see, in order to believe what they want to believe. In addition, everyone likes to be proven right, and changing their views is an admission that they were wrong, or at least had an incomplete understanding of an issue.

[…]

https://medium.com/trust-media-and-democracy/why-people- are-wired-to-believe-what-they-want-to-believe-4d9b4e161eb5

It is truly amazing how your brain keeps you believing all of the crap that isn’t true.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   4:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Gatlin (#27)

We can only wonder how quickly we might have beaten back COVID-19 if those so eager to deny reality had instead focused on stopping the spread of coronavirus. Because so many still refuse to accept the reality of this pandemic, the rest of us are at greater risk.

Why no flu this year.

I don't wear a mask and never got the virus. People who wear the masks (look sickly and stupid) have got he virus. The mask makes you more susceptible to the virus because it holds it there and makes you breathe it over and over.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-02   9:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Gatlin (#27)

Gatlin I've heard that they haven't even isolated the virus. Is that true?

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-02   9:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: watchman (#26)

But if you wish, you can wear 2 masks.

Why just 2 why not 5 masks.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-02   9:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)

Why no flu this year.

What a fantastic question. Please allow me to enlighten you with an answer that may shock you.

Flu Season 2020-2021: Flu activity us at historic lows with mask- wearing.

Read story at https://www.today.com/health/flu-season-2020-2021-flu-activity- historic-lows-mask-wearing-t207131

In a typical year, rising flu cases would be dominating the headlines in January. Not in 2021.

The flu activity maps look very different for the same week in January 2020, compared to 2021, with most states reporting minimal activity this year:

I don't wear a mask and never got the virus.

That proves nothing.

People who wear the masks (look sickly and stupid) …

You have posted that you wear masks when you do dry wall work.

I can’t see someone saying that you look “sickly and stupid” when you are wearing the mask for protection while on the job?

Have they ever?

… have got [t]he virus.

That proves nothing.

The mask makes you more susceptible to the virus because it holds it there and makes you breathe it over and over.

That’s only your “belief.”

Beliefs are considered false when the views are contrary to established scientific evidence.

There is no scientific evidence to support “your belief.”

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   10:01:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#29)

The mask makes you more susceptible to the virus because it holds it there and makes you breathe it over and over.

The entire world is masked up, but Covid cases keep increasing.

Therefore...masks are spreading the virus.

Warn everyone!

watchman  posted on  2021-02-02   10:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Gatlin I've heard that they haven't even isolated the virus. Is that true?

Stone, I have no idea whether that is true, or not.

And I have absolutely no reason – or interest – to try to chase down another of your hearsay (disambiguation) rumors.

Moving along …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   11:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone, watchman (#31)

But if you wish, you can wear 2 masks.

Why just 2 why not 5 masks.

Double-Masking: How Two Masks [Or More] Block Covid-19 Coronavirus Better Than One:

So how about wearing two face masks then? That’s one on top of another and not one over your mouth and nose and the other over your eyes.

Well, let’s take a look at how face masks work. First of all, wearing something is better than wearing nothing, which is a good general rule, even when you aren’t talking about face masks. Without anything covering your nose and mouth, you could be spewing out virus-laded particles into the air with every breath you take, especially if you are singing the song “Tub Thumping.” Because while you may be sexy and know it, you could be infected with the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV2) without knowing it. A single face mask can block this spew and decrease the amount of virus that reaches the air.

Wearing a face mask may also protect you as well. It could provide some barrier to entry, blocking at least some viruses from getting into your nose and mouth. A cloth face covering or a surgical mask is not going to protect you as well as an N95 mask. But again, something is better than nothing. So wearing a face covering is nice for everyone around you and possibly you too. But can two masks be twice as nice?

In theory, a virus should have a tougher time getting through two layers than just one layer. In a commentary in the journal Med, Monica Gandhi, MD, MPH, a Professor of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), and Linsey C. Marr, PhD, the Charles P. Lunsford Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering at Virginia Tech, recommended wearing at least a “high-quality surgical mask or a fabric mask of at least two layers with high thread count.” But they added that wearing a cloth mask tightly on top of a surgical mask could provide even more protection. Anthony Fauci, MD, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) favors double- masking too. As you can see this segment from the Today show, Fauci said, “If you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective”:

If two layers are better than one layer, how about three layers? Gandhi and Marr did mention a three-layer mask as a possibility for extra protection. Such a mask could have two outer layers made out of a flexible, tightly woven fabric that can conform to your face and sandwich a middle layer. The middle layer shouldn’t be a creamy, high fructose corn syrup and soy lecithin filling. You are providing a barrier to your nose and mouth, not making an Oreo cookie. Instead, the middle layer should be something like vacuum bag material that can filter out small particles.

If three is better than two, how about four? Or five? Or 271 face masks? Well, at some point, too many face masks could become too heavy and make you topple over like Toucan Sam wearing high heels.

Plus, there is the whole breathing thing. One face mask probably won’t really impair your breathing. Neither will two face masks, depending on the material. However, adding more and more mask layers may eventually make it tougher to exchange air, assuming that you are not a ficus plant. The optimal number of face masks is a balance between filtering and breathing and depends on the structure and material of the mask. Naturally, a face mask made out of concrete is going to be tougher to breathe through than one out of a porous cloth.

The other issue is fit. Make sure that at least one of the face masks that you wear fits snugly on your face. It should not leave gaps between your face and the mask that allow viruses to drive little trucks through them. A second mask can actually help the mask closest to your face fit more snugly. Like Edward hugging Bella on the Twilight series, the outer mask can push the inner mask closer to your face. But as is the case with marmots in your bedroom, more masks is not necessarily better. Sometimes additional face masks can actually pull other face masks off your face. Therefore, as they say on the London subway, mind the gap. And for Pete’s sake, keep the mask over both your mouth and your nose. Consider a face mask to be underwear for your face, and don’t let anything stick out so to speak.

Some have suggested that two non-N95 masks can get close to the protection offered by one N95 mask. This may be some premature speculation though. After all, N95 masks tend to have other mechanisms that can prevent viruses from getting through, such as interlacing fibers that create rather tortuous paths and an electrical charge that may cause small particles to stick to the fibers.

A href=https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/01/26/double-masking- how-two-masks-block-covid-19-coronavirus-better-than-one/? sh=790102f6bf48>https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/01/26/double- masking-how-two-masks-block-covid-19-coronavirus-better-than-one/? sh=790102f6bf48

All told, double masking in most cases will provide more protection than single-masking. That’s protection for others and potentially for you. This can be true even when the inner mask is an N95 one. N95 masks aren’t perfect and could benefit from extra protection. Moreover, an outer covering can keep the N95 mask from getting dirty and wet. And in this situation, dirty and wet is not good.

You two guys were on to something – and you didn’t even realize it ….

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   11:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone, watchman (#31)

But if you wish, you can wear 2 masks.

Why just 2 why not 5 masks.

San Diego researchers say double masking could slow the spread of COVID- 19.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2021- 01- 29/san-diego-researchers-say-double-masking-could-slow-the-spread-of- covid-19

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   12:35:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: watchman, A K A Stone (#33)

The entire world is masked up, but Covid cases keep increasing.

Face masks slow spread of COVID-19.

Furthermore: “Pandemic could be stopped if at least 70 percent of the public wore face masks consistently.”

Using face masks to help slow the spread of COVID-19 has been widely recommended by health professionals. This has triggered studies of the materials, design, and other issues affecting the way face masks work. In a new study, investigators looked at research on face masks and their use and summarized what we know about the way they filter or block the virus. They also summarize design issues that still need to be addressed.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201124111349.htm

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   12:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Gatlin (#37)

if at least 70 percent of the public wore face masks consistently

95-100 percent of the public wears a mask.

Covid is spreading.

The masks are speading the virus.

It's science.

watchman  posted on  2021-02-02   12:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: watchman (#38)

95-100 percent of the public wears a mask.

Covid is spreading.

Ahem …

Different conclusions can be drawn from various statistics depending on one's perspective, but actually, statistics don't always tell the whole story. They aren't as definite as many people lead on.

Of those “95-100 percent of the public wears a mask” – A survey indicates that most U.S. residents recognize the protective importance of wearing a mask in public, and about 9-in-10 are using face coverings at least sometimes.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-biggest-mistake-people- make-while-wearing-a-face-mask-2020-07-24

REPEATING: 9-in-10 are using face coverings at least sometimes – SOMETIMES.

So, why is Covid spreading?

Vast Majority of Americans Support Wearing Masks, But a Deeper Look at Behavior Reveals Troubling Lack of Adherence:

Several recent surveys in the United States, including our own USC Dornsife Center for Economic and Social Research’s Understanding Coronavirus in America tracking survey, have shown that most Americans say they are wearing masks. In our survey, only a small minority of U.S. residents claim masks are a health hazard or political gimmick. However, even though mask-wearing seems to be widespread, we also find that many people have not been wearing them according to recommended guidelines, and there are different mask-wearing norms in different areas of the country.

In a mid-July ABC News/Washington post poll, 6-in-10 wore a mask all of the time and another nearly 1-in-4 some of the time. In an Axios/Ipsos poll from early August, two-thirds claimed to be wearing a mask at all times, and more than 1-in-5 sometimes. Our own tracking graphs have shown a steady upward trend in mask wearing over the last few weeks, increasing from 8-in-10 in early June to 9-in-10 in early August.

As shown in the chart below, our survey shows that mask-wearing has differed significantly by location: Wearing a mask was adopted most quickly and broadly in urban areas and has changed little over the late spring and summer. Mask-wearing in the suburbs was at 80% by May and continued to increase during the summer to reach 89% in August. In rural areas where outbreaks were rare in the spring, fewer residents were wearing masks than in other areas and mask-wearing had started to decline in late June. However, after coronavirus cases in some previously untouched areas began to spike in July, mask-wearing increased more than 10 percentage points in rural areas and reached 83% in August.

The high proportion of U.S. residents wearing masks would seem to be good news for helping to control the spread of the virus. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommendations for inhibiting the spread of the virus include social distancing, and wearing a mask in public settings and when in close proximity to people who don’t live in your household. Even President Trump, once publicly skeptical of mask-wearing, has now recommended that his supporters wear masks.

Recent research has indicated that mask-wearing is important and helps slow the spread of the coronavirus. The latest projection models from the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation indicate that if everyone in the country wore a mask when needed 66,000 fewer people would die from COVID-19 by December 1.

Our own research indicates that most U.S. residents view masks as protective. We asked tracking survey participants to indicate if they agreed or disagreed with several statements about wearing masks and face coverings. Overall, nearly two-thirds of respondents in our most recent survey agreed that wearing a mask keeps them safe from the virus and three-fourths agreed that it keeps others safe.

Indeed, at the time of this writing some parts of the country that were slower to implement social distancing and mask-wearing guidelines and some states, like California, where loosening of restrictions in June undid earlier work of containing the virus had been forced to take additional measures to contain outbreaks. The increase in mask wearing we are seeing in recent weeks may be a contributing factor to the recent flattening of curves in many of these places.

However, the adoption of CDC guidelines for mask wearing has not been consistent and goes beyond merely location. We took a deeper look at the behavior of those who have been venturing out of their homes this summer and what we found indicates that many people who said they were wearing masks have not been doing so according to recommended guidelines, nationwide.

Participants in our tracking survey were asked: if they had been in close contact (within 6 feet) with non-household members in the prior week; gone to a friend, neighbor or relative’s house; shopped at a grocery store; attended a gathering of more than 10 people; had gone outside to exercise; or attended in-person religious services, among other behaviors. Those who had done each of these activities were asked how often they wore a face mask or covering: always, most of the time, sometimes, rarely or never.

The highest incidence of both the activity and mask-wearing was in grocery shopping. Most residents had shopped for groceries in the prior week, and 85% wore a mask while shopping. About three quarters went out for exercise, but only 2-in-10 wore a mask while doing so. Some evidence points to lower incidence of spread outdoors, particularly in sunshine, and we have all seen the photos of crowded beaches full of mask-free sunbathers. CDC guidelines do make an exception for people who may have trouble breathing while doing vigorous exercise outdoors.

The chart also shows that other activities were less common but potentially more problematic. Indoor activities, singing, and drinking alcohol all generate conditions where social distancing is difficult and conditions are more conducive for spread. Roughly half of residents reported that they had close contact with non-household members in the prior week and nearly four-in-10 visited someone else’s home. Smaller proportions – roughly one-in-10 in each case – attended a gathering of more than 10 people, went to in-person religious service, or went to a bar, club or other gathering place. In each of these situations, fewer than half of those who were engaged in the activity wore a mask most of the time.

We see evidence that people are wearing masks more frequently following the resurgence of the virus in June, particularly in the areas that were slower to adopt them. The chart below shows a small but statistically- significant increase in recommended mask-wearing behaviors among rural and suburban residents when they are in close proximity to non-household members. Not shown are similarly small but significant increases in mask-wearing among people in rural and suburban areas attending gatherings of 10 or more, visiting others in their homes, and attending in-person religious services.

However, the charts also show that as of late July, 46% of urban residents, 54% of suburbanites, and two-thirds of rural residents were still not routinely wearing masks when in close proximity to non- household members.

Mask-wearing while grocery shopping increased strikingly over the summer, as many retail chains and grocery stores began mandating, rather than recommending, that shoppers wear masks. Overall, the percentage of grocery shoppers who wore a mask all or most of the time increased twelve percentage points – from 73% to 85% – from June to August.

As shown in the chart below, the greatest increase in mask-wearing was among rural grocery shoppers who were sixteen percentage points more likely to wear a mask in late August than in June, along with those in the suburbs who were fourteen points more likely. However, one out of four rural grocery shoppers still were not routinely or ever wearing a mask in late July compared to one out of ten urban shoppers and 12% of those in the suburbs.

When those who feel strongly against wearing masks attack others for doing so, it makes for dramatic news stories and viral videos. However, our survey finds that strong feelings against masks are fairly rare across the country, if somewhat more pronounced in rural areas.

Roughly 1-in-10 residents overall saw masks as dangerous to their health (9%), or as being a political statement (13%). Only 7% indicated that wearing a mask is unnecessary because coronavirus is not a serious threat. One-in-four overall agreed that masks are too uncomfortable to wear. Almost no one indicated that they cannot afford to wear a mask (3%). Just over 2-in-10 nationwide, and more than 3-in-10 in rural areas, agreed that no one can force them to wear a mask because this is a free country; a position one can hold even while wearing a mask.

Strong feelings against mask-wearing were more pronounced in rural areas, with 30% saying that masks are too uncomfortable to wear, 16% seeing masks as dangerous, 17% seeing mask-wearing as political. Interestingly, only 1-in-10 rural residents believe masks are not necessary because the virus is not a serious threat.

In summary, our survey indicates that most U.S. residents recognize the protective importance of wearing a mask in public, and about 9-in-10 are using face coverings at least sometimes. Our findings indicate that mask-wearing norms are different depending on the type of area where you live, with rural residents being the slowest to adopt face coverings. We also see evidence that mask wearing behaviors have increased somewhat across the summer resurgence of the coronavirus. Only small minorities believe that masks are dangerous to health, or view them as a purely political gimmick.

However, more troubling, our findings also indicate that the nearly 6- in-10 residents who are no longer staying home except for exercise and essentials are not always wearing masks in situations where they are recommended. These mixed findings, and their variation by location, may be the result of the kinds of mixed messages and mixed sets of recommendations and regulations provided at the federal and state level.

The much higher level of adherence to mask-wearing while grocery shopping, compared to other situations with potential for virus transmission, may be the result of major retailers and grocery chains like Walmart, Costco, and Kroger requiring shoppers to wear face coverings in their stores. Even hold-outs like Winn Dixie began requiring masks in late July. Given the reluctance of many individuals to adhere to safety recommendations for social distancing and mask- wearing, it is even more important for government at the federal, state and local levels to provide a coherent and unified approach. It is difficult to see how containment will be possible, otherwise.

About the survey: The source of this report is the COVID-19 tracking survey “Understanding Coronavirus in America,” Participants in the survey are members of the probability-based online panel The Understanding America Study, which is maintained by the Center for Economic and Social Research at the University of Southern California. The report references nine waves of data collected between March 10 and August 4, 2020. Graphs from the tracking survey are updated daily online. For more information about the way the survey was conducted, visit uasdata.usc.edu. The content of this publication is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of USC or CESR. The collection of the COVID-19 tracking data is supported in part by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and by grant U01AG054580 from the National Institute on Aging.

https://healthpolicy.usc.edu/evidence-base/vast- majority-of-americans-support-wearing-masks-but-a-deeper-look-at-mask- wearing-behavior-reveals-troubling-lack-of-adherence-to-social- distancing-recommendations/

Avoid these Wrong Mask-Wearing Techniques.

https://hive.rochesterregional.org/2020/07/how-not- to-wear-a- mask#:~:text=Researchers%20found%20that%20wearing%20masks,do%20more%20ha rm%20than%20good.

Perhaps the biggest mistake that many folks are making with face masks — besides not wearing them in public at all — is pulling the facial coverings down so that the nose is exposed.

Amid the ongoing debate over when and where people should wear masks, and the mixed messaging behind tha – you need to understand what’s perhaps been lost in the din is the correct way to put on a mask to actually help prevent the spread of COVID-19 in the first place.

With “95-100 percent of the public wearing a mask” – What percentage of those are wearing incorrectly?

You BELIEVE only what you want to BELIEVE.

Tragically …. .

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   14:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: watchman (#38)

First you say :

Covid is a hoax,

Then you say here that:

Covid is spreading.

Which is it …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   14:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Gatlin (#40)

Which is it …

Isn't it obvious?

The hoax is spreading.

Duh...

watchman  posted on  2021-02-02   15:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: watchman (#41)

Which is it …
Isn't it obvious?
The hoax is spreading.
Duh...

The coronavirus pandemic is not a hoax or a conspiracy to control the general public:

A video shared online has claimed that the coronavirus pandemic is a hoax and part of a conspiracy to control the general public. This is false.

A post sharing the video can be viewed here (here).

The opening sequence shows billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates, warning that “we will have to prepare” for the next pandemic.

The narrator then uses points to argue that the pandemic was planned, and claims it is a hoax that is being used as an excuse to control the general public.

CLAIM 1 - THE VIRUS THAT CAUSES COVID-19 HASN’T BEEN IDENTIFIED OR ISOLATED

“They’ve never isolated it or actually identified this virus as actually existing, so the whole thing is just a big scam”, the narrator claims (here).

This is not true. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS- CoV-2) is the name of the virus that causes the disease COVID-19 (here).

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the virus was identified by Chinese authorities on January 7, 2020 (tinyurl.com/y5at3vke).

CLAIM 2 - TEST FOR COVID-19 BROADLY TESTS FOR RNA VIRUSES AND GENETIC MATERIAL

“Of course, the more people they test, then the more people are going to test positive because they’re just testing for RNA viruses and genetic material”, the narrator alleges (here).

It is false that the COVID-19 test broadly detects all RNA viruses rather than SARS-CoV-2 specifically.

An RNA virus is a virus that has RNA as its genetic material (here). Human diseases caused by RNA viruses include COVID-19 (here), SARS, influenza and Ebola disease (here).

The Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test used to detect SARS-CoV-2 works by detecting the presence of its RNA in the swab sample (here).

Each virus has its own pattern of RNA material, and the test for coronavirus tests for the RNA material of SARS-CoV-2 specifically.

CLAIM 3 - ALL DEATHS ARE BEING LABELLED AS COVID-19

“All deaths are basically being labelled as COVID deaths now whether they are or not. All you have to do is test positive for this genetic material in your body and it’ll say COVID-19” (here).

In the UK, data on COVID-19 deaths published by the Office of National Statistics (ONS) includes deaths “involving COVID-19”.

This includes deaths that have COVID-19 mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether it is an underlying cause or not (here).

However, the ONS says that: “In the majority of cases (46,736 deaths, 92.8%) where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death”.

It is wrong to say that all deaths are being recorded as COVID deaths. One indication of how many deaths have been caused by the pandemic is the number of ‘excess deaths’ recorded, or additional deaths compared to the number usually expected during a given time period.

An ONS report shows that England and Wales saw spikes in the number of excess deaths that reflect the number of COVID-19 deaths that were reported at that time (see Figure 2) (here).

In June, the ONS reported that there were around 64,500 excess deaths across the UK for the time of year using a five-year average, though the figure is now likely to be higher (here).

VERDICT

False. The coronavirus pandemic is not a hoax; it is a global outbreak caused by the virus SARS-CoV-2.

Click here for source.

“Duh” right back at you …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   16:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: watchman (#41)

The hoax …

COVID-19: 6 Things That Prove It’s Not a Hoax:

False claim: Coronavirus is a hoax

“I think I made a mistake. I thought this was a hoax, but it’s not.” Those were some of the last words uttered by a 30-year-old Texas man who attended a “coronavirus party” thinking COVID-19 was a hoax. Here’s what dozens of other people infected with coronavirus want you to know.

The virus proved it was quite real in the worst way possible—he died after contracting it. The public learned about his tragic death when one of his doctors made a plea, begging people to take the virus seriously. Sadly, this is not the only example of someone dying from COVID-19 after being convinced it was a hoax.

In early 2020, when the world learned about the effects of SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or the virus that causes COVID-19) during the initial outbreak in China, people took to the Internet to search for information. By the time the pandemic was in full swing, the thirst for any kind of information had become a frenzy, turning into what the World Health Organization (WHO) calls an “infodemic.”

“…[T]he technology we rely on to keep connected and informed is enabling and amplifying an infodemic that continues to undermine the global response and jeopardizes measures to control the pandemic,” says the WHO.

How? By spreading misinformation and disinformation, either intentionally or through ignorance. “Misinformation about this costs lives,” says the WHO. “Without the appropriate trust and correct information […] the virus will continue to thrive.”

The coronavirus hoax lies spread like wildfire

Arguably, the most harmful source of misinformation right now is the recurring idea that COVID-19 is a hoax. There are countless coronavirus conspiracy theories out there that you absolutely shouldn’t believe. Perhaps you’ve heard some of the more popular COVID-19 hoaxes:

“The virus is just a political tool and will magically disappear after the election.”

“The virus is actually a bioweapon engineered by China to hurt America and there’s a hidden cure.”

“Hospitals are getting paid to inflate the number of Covid-19 cases.”

“The hoax is a ‘plandemic’ designed to make money for Big Pharma by forcing Americans to get a vaccine.”

“COVID-19 deaths are faked. It’s no more dangerous than the flu.”

There is no evidence to support hoax theories and plenty of evidence to refute them. And yet these claims continue to spread like wildfire, says Kathy Lancaster, PhD, an epidemiologist and public health expert at The Ohio State University College of Public Health.

“The promotion of the growing anti-science movement is the most concerning issue in public health to me right now,” she says. “I worry this hurts the prevention and treatment of not just COVID-19, but potentially other health conditions as well.”

To be crystal clear, she adds: “SARS-CoV-2 is a real virus that is highly contagious and can have serious effects on health, potentially leading to death,” she says. “It is not a hoax.”

How coronavirus hoax lies get started

It’s hard to pinpoint the genesis and spread of each bit of false information. But reports suggest they’re being amplified by online organized groups, like QAnon, which promote an array of conspiracy theories. (Facebook and other social media outlets are cracking down and deleting accounts linked to QAnon, an extremist group identified as a domestic terror threat by the FBI.) The fact that there are coronavirus mysteries that still can’t be explained doesn’t help either.

In a joint memo in March, U.S. intelligence agencies said much of the disinformation is coming from other countries—mostly Russia—trying to interfere in the U.S. election. Variations on the hoax theme are all over social media and the Internet. They’re even parroted by President Donald Trump, who called the coronavirus “the Democrats’ next hoax.”

This is a huge problem, says Rajeev Fernando, MD, an infectious disease physician, director of the division of infectious diseases at Stony Brook Southampton Hospital in New York, and the first U.S. doctor to investigate the virus in China.

When even top leadership is calling it a hoax, it’s easy to see how citizens are getting confused, he says.

Evidence that coronavirus is not a hoax

There are several key pieces of evidence that disprove most coronavirus hoax lies. Here, our experts break it down.

The first-hand experience of thousands of scientists and doctors

“I’ve been wearing a mask since January 2020,” says Dr. Fernando. “Want to know why? Because I have seen this virus, personally, from the very beginning in China. I have never seen a disease like this before. I’ve watched young, healthy people die in front of me from this virus.

“And I’ll keep saying that as many times as people need to hear it to understand that it’s not just me,” he adds. “Many doctors and scientists have seen the proof COVID-19 exists with our own eyes.” Here’s a first- hand account of what one respiratory therapist is seeing on the front lines.

In fact, the Federation of American Scientists, a group that provides science-based solutions to protect against national and international security threats, started the Coronavirus Project for the purpose of debunking the many coronavirus myths.

The group has published dozens of reports, tracking the trends, hot topics, and impact of science, medicine, and COVID-19 disinformation.

The worldwide data

If the virus were simply a hoax to mess with American politics then why are cases spreading all over the world, asks Carol Winner, a public health expert who has worked with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health for more than 30 years.

“People are dying all over the world and making this about political motives makes no sense,” she says.

The John Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center map is one of the most respected and accurate sources of COVID-19 data. Over one million people have died globally. In the United States, the number is well over 200,000, with some states hit much harder than others.

Don’t trust John Hopkins? The WHO, the CDC, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and the independently operated Worldometer are all reporting very similar numbers.

The “excess deaths” statistics

A popular hoax talking point is that deaths are being intentionally over-reported when those people really died from other causes or didn’t die at all. Nearly one-third of Americans say they don’t believe that the coronavirus death toll is as high as the official count, according to a July 2020 Axios-Ipsos Coronavirus Index survey.

This survey was released the same day JAMA Internal Medicine reported that COVID-19 cases could be six to 24 times higher than what had been reported. Some states have been hit much harder than others by the coronavirus.

When talking about how many deaths are really due to COVID-19, one number is particularly important: excess deaths or excess mortality, Lancaster says. Essentially, this is a number comparing how many more people died over the course of this year compared to how many died over the course of previous years. And the data are clear.

Not only are the numbers not lying but there may be even more deaths than are being counted—the excess death count suggests there are about 30 percent more deaths that might be related to COVID-19 than have been officially reported. These can be attributed to the virus, either directly or indirectly, because the pandemic is the only major health- related difference in 2020 compared to previous years, says Lancaster.

An analysis by the New York Times in August found that the death toll was higher than average from March to July—about 200,000 more deaths than expected—even though the official death toll due to COVID-19 was about 140,000 at that time.

Based on CDC data, there have been about 279,700 more deaths than would normally be expected through October 3, 2020. Given that the official death toll for COVID-19 in that time period was 200,499, the pandemic could be causing even more deaths than are officially being reported.

You can find country-by-country information about excess mortality at Our World in Data, a collaborative effort run by researchers at the University of Oxford and a non-profit organization called Global Change Data Lab. They note that there were 260,000 excess U.S. deaths from March 1 to August 16 compared to the average of the five previous years, although the official COVID-19 death toll was 169,000 in that time.

“Already, our routine monitoring in the United States and globally is identifying overall increases in death compared to other years,” Lancaster says. “The process of capturing deaths is a complicated process, so what we are seeing may only be the tip of the iceberg. We will likely see deaths related to COVID-19, either directly or indirectly, continue to grow.”

How the medical system works

Many coronavirus hoax theories rely on “Big Pharma” as the bad actor. This theory holds that the virus was manufactured as a way to make money (like through vaccines or treatments) and that drug companies are paying hospitals to lie about COVID-19 deaths.

“This isn’t how the medical system works in the United States,” says Winner. “Hospitals are paid by insurance companies for the treatment they provide, not per diagnosis made. While there may have been some unethical people in the news, overall hospitals and doctors have no financial incentive to do this.”

In response to the vaccine theory, Dr. Fernando points out that many of the companies developing a COVID-19 vaccine have already pledged to release it for free or low-cost. There are more than a few fluctuating factors that’ll dictate when a safe vaccine will be available.

The limits of current technology

Microchips in vaccines? 5G towers spreading COVID-19? Changing a person’s DNA through a shot? These things simply aren’t possible with our current technology, Dr. Fernando says.

If scientists could do these things they’d already be using this technology in other ways, adds Winner. Plus, people worried about a tracking device should be more concerned about all the real tracking done through cell phones, computers, and other personal tech, she says. It’s just one of the many ways coronavirus is different from all other epidemics through history.

People who’ve had COVID-19

By this point, nearly everyone knows someone (or knows someone who knows someone) who has had the disease. Find a person you trust and talk to them, personally, about their experience. Many will report mild to moderate symptoms. This man contracted coronavirus and knew exactly who gave it to him.

But about 15 percent of COVID-19 cases are severe enough to be hospitalized and an additional 5 percent need intensive care treatment, Dr. Fernando says.

Even people with less severe cases can experience long-lasting COVID-19 symptoms. All of those people should be able to tell you that it’s a real thing.

For a more sobering reality check, talk to someone who’s lost a loved one to COVID-19.

Don’t take our word for it—do your own research

Just be sure to check where you are getting your information. Not all news sources are created equal. And while it’s tempting to get the breaking news from Twitter or Facebook, social media is among the least accurate news sources. There are so many coronavirus myths out there you need to stop believing.

For example, nearly two-thirds of Americans reported seeing news and online information about coronavirus seemed completely made up, according to an April 2020 Pew Research Center survey.

Get your information from places backed by scientific or medical institutions, with a good reputation, and take the time to fact check anything that seems off, Dr. Fernando says. “Often, just a little bit of checking is enough to unravel these hoaxes.” The people making these claims will often tell you to trust them and no one else in an effort to keep you from doing your own research, he adds.

Politicians are also not a good source of accurate information as they have an agenda to promote, Dr. Fernando says. “Listen to the experts, we’ve spent our whole careers learning about these things,” he says. Concerned about getting politically biased information? Use AllSides’ Media Bias chart to find trusted sources.

Click here for source.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   17:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Gatlin (#42)

to control the general public

Are you prepared to face the consequences of the world you are helping to create?

Lucifer, whom you unwittingly serve, is not here to "control the general public". He's here to destroy it.

The Covid masks are being worn world wide. Thus, they indicate that the world is UNIFYIED, even if it's through nothing more than a piece of fabric worn on the face. Everybody is wearing a mask, virtually the entire population of the Earth. Amazing isn't it?

Now God went to great lengths to separate the peoples of the world, especially through language. Why, Gatlin, did He do this? Well, the answer is to prevent the world from unifying AGAINST Him. To stop a world wide rebellion, which would put an end to God's plans for mankind.

And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

What the people "imagine to do" is to live independently from God. They even want to be as God...reaching into heaven itself. They imagine an existence apart from God and without God.

John Lennon: Imagine there's no heaven...It's easy if you try...No hell below us...Above us only sky...Imagine all the people living for today...I hope some day you'll join us...And the world will be as one

Lucifer knows if the world fully unites as one...God will destroy the whole thing. The world wide mask wearing is the first step toward world unity.

You're playing right into Lucifer's hands...to be eternally destroyed. You ready for that?

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon (Destroyer).

watchman  posted on  2021-02-02   17:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: watchman (#44)

Are you prepared to face the consequences of the world you are helping to create?

In this world, we constantly face numerous daily challenges that will always test our emotional mettle. Sometime it takes the form of injury, illness, unemployment, grief, divorce, death, or even a new undertaking with a yet unknown future.

Yes, I am fully prepared to face any and all challenges in an unknown future and develop strategies to carry me through. I am not one to turn away from life – I will always turn towards life. I have no use for avoidance. I will diligently present myself to enjoy life, to be most effective in it – and I do this by orienting myself towards facing reality.

Lucifer …

There you go again – Letting your satanophobia take complete control of your life.

Satanophobia is the fear of satan. This fear is associated with demonophobia (fear of demons) and stygiophobia (fear of hell). These people are scared of burning in hell forever and being tortured by the demons and being anguished forever in hell and being tormented by Satan.

The fear and threat of Lucifer is always what you fall back on with you lose in discussions and cannot support your claims or causes.

The Covid masks are being worn world wide. Thus, they indicate that the world is UNIFYIED, even if it's through nothing more than a piece of fabric worn on the face. Everybody is wearing a mask, virtually the entire population of the Earth. Amazing isn't it?

No – There is nothing amazing about that.

… [God] to prevent the world from unifying AGAINST Him. To stop a world wide rebellion, which would put an end to God's plans for mankind.

The Great Reellion Aganst God:

Bible prophecy lists numerous signs that will precede Jesus Christ’s second coming, but the Apostle Paul specifically notes two major events that will occur just before Christ returns. He writes, “that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition” (2 Thessalonians 2:3). Paul tells us that the appearance of this “man of sin” on the world stage will be accompanied by “signs, and lying wonders” performed by a false religious leader using Satan’s power (2 Thessalonians 2:9). This display of supernatural demonic power will deceive millions into following this Satan-inspired individual and the system he is promoting.

Meanwhile, the Western nations are rapidly abandoning any former pretense of nominal Christianity. “Mainline” churches that for centuries upheld “traditional biblical values” now champion same-sex marriage, practicing homosexual clergymen (and clergywomen), and open denial of the inspiration of Scripture. Backlash against these trends is driving some Episcopalians and Anglicans into the Roman Catholic Church, even while many Roman Catholics are leaving their church, citing dismay and disillusionment at the way the “pedophile priest scandal” has been handled. In many Western nations, Islam is now the fastest-growing religion.

What has happened to the long-held assumption that Jesus Christ would return to establish His Kingdom? Despite liberal trends and false teachings, the fact remains that Jesus will “come again” (John 14:1–3), that His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives by Jerusalem and He will reign over all the earth (Zechariah 14:1–9). The Bible also records that specific “signs” will precede Jesus’ return: increasing violence and wars, frequent floods, droughts and famines, disease epidemics, earthquakes and other natural disasters (see Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21). However, a major sign will be widespread religious deception promoted by false religious leaders who perform “great signs and wonders” (Matthew 24:3–5, 11, 24). The Scriptures state that the return of Jesus Christ will surprise the world because people will not be watching for the warning signs that will indicate that His return is near (Matthew 24:36–41; 25:1–13; 1 Thessalonians 5:1–6).

In the book of Revelation, the Apostle John describes a beast, coming up out of the sea, that is influenced and given power by Satan (the dragon— Revelation 13:1–5). This beast will be a political leader who will gain power in Europe over a final revival of a political system that has links to the ancient Roman Empire (see Daniel 2; 7). John then foretells the appearance of another beast who “performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven… and he deceives those who dwell on earth by those signs” (Revelation 13:11–18). This miracle-working false prophet will be in league with the first beast and bring pressure on the peoples of the world to become part of this revived Roman system. Together, the political leader and the miracle-working false prophet will lead the world into a Satan-inspired system that will be totally contrary to the laws of God. This will be the ultimate fulfillment of the “falling away” or “great apostasy” against God that the Apostle Paul described in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Bible prophecies reveal this is coming in the years just ahead!

MISTAKEN ASSUMPTIONS

As many readers of this magazine know, the organization led by Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong for more than 50 years underwent a terrible crisis in the early 1990s, as his successors abandoned long-held doctrines of God’s Church and tried to bring the organization into “mainstream Christianity.” Scores of thousands left the Worldwide Church of God as its doctrines were changed. That organization even changed its name, acknowledging openly that it no longer considers itself a “Church of God.”

So, could that have been the “falling away” prophesied by Scripture? No less an authority than Mr. Armstrong himself would disagree with that assertion. On many occasions, Mr. Armstrong plainly taught that the “falling away” mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 would be an event affecting the vast mass of human beings around the world. He wrote in a co-worker letter, “Christ foretold a turning away from His message… [Paul] prophesied there would be a Great Falling Away from Christ’s true message…the popular churches would turn away from the Truth and believe fables” (November 11, 1949). Later, in a 1982 radio broadcast, he asked, “Has that falling away happened? That doesn’t mean a few people, it doesn’t mean a few radicals or fanatics. The whole world was to be deceived!”

Was the “whole world” deceived when Mr. Armstrong’s successors split their church? Though this was a traumatic event, it affected only a relatively small number of people, and the church’s leaders displayed no powerful miracles to gain the loyalty of followers. There is no scriptural way to identify the prophesied “man of sin” with either of the men who succeeded Mr. Armstrong as the head of that organization.

Notice that the phrase translated as “falling away” in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 in the NKJV comes from the Greek word apostasia. Although English- speakers may be inclined to translate this word as “apostasy,” and “falling away” has become a commonly accepted phrasing, these are actually not the best translations. Consider how several other translations render this word: “the great revolt” (Williams), “the rebellion” (Moffatt), or “the final rebellion against God” (NEB). No credible translation gives any indication that this massive global event could in fact involve just a few thousand members of one organization. Rather, it involves an outright worldwide rebellion, of unprecedented proportion, against any semblance of belief in the God of the Bible. Here is how the Expositor’s Bible Commentary describes this momentous event: “Conditions will be ripe for people, especially those who call themselves Christian… to turn their backs on God… This worldwide anti- God movement will be so universal as to earn for itself a special designation: ‘the apostasy’… the presence of such an apostasy and counterfeit god will not escape international observation” (volume 11, pp. 320–323).

We are living in an age in which the so-called “Christian” world is drifting further and further away from God and the moral principles found in the Bible. Nations that once claimed to be Christian are now promoting homosexuality and same-sex marriage—and even persecuting those who quote the Bible! What about the United States? President Barack Obama, while running for office, famously observed, “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation—at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.” Some nominal believers were offended, even outraged, by his words, but he was correct—the U.S. no longer looks to biblical principles as its anchor.

This trend will continue. Within the lifetimes of most of you reading this article, two Satan-inspired individuals—a miracle-working religious figure and a charismatic European political leader—will appear on the world stage and lead the masses of humanity in rebellion against the true God. Finally, near the very end of this age, this blasphemous religious figure will declare himself to be God, commanding the allegiance of billions who will join him in a final rebellion against the returning Jesus Christ (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

You need to be alert and watch for these significant end-time events so you can avoid being deceived when the prophecies come alive!

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You trying to tie “MASKS” into this is a “MISTAKEN ASSUMPTION.”

What the people "imagine to do" is to live independently from God. They even want to be as God...reaching into heaven itself. They imagine an existence apart from God and without God.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Lucifer knows if the world fully unites as one...God will destroy the whole thing. The world wide mask wearing is the first step toward world unity.

BULSHIT – BULLSHIT – BULLSHIT …

You don’t KNOW this.

You're playing right into Lucifer's hands...

And here you go again – Letting your satanophobia take complete control of your life.

Disgusting …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   18:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Gatlin I've heard that they haven't even isolated the virus. Is that true?

Stone, I ran across this and learned that –

The Covid-19 virus has been isolated many times:

We’ve been asked to look into claims that the Covid-19 virus hasn’t been isolated, doesn’t fulfil “Koch’s postulates”, and that this means PCR diagnosis tests aren’t working.

Isolating a virus

Firstly it is incorrect to say that the virus that causes Covid-19 has not been isolated.

Isolating a virus means taking a pure sample of a virus from an infected being so it can be studied. There are numerous reports of the virus being isolated by teams around the world.

“SARS-CoV2 has been sampled millions of times over from infected people, including those originally found to be infected in China,” Dr Stephen Griffin, a virologist and Associate Professor at Leeds Institute of Medical Research, told Full Fact.

Koch’s postulates

It’s also incorrect to say that the virus that causes Covid-19 would need to meet Koch’s postulates, primarily because Koch’s postulates weren’t written for viruses.

Koch’s postulates were a set of rules outlined by scientist Robert Koch in 1890 to decide whether a bacteria causes a disease. The original four criteria are:

“1. The microorganism must be found in the diseased animal, and not found in healthy animals.

“2. The microorganism must be extracted and isolated from the diseased animal and subsequently grown in culture.

“3. The microorganism must cause disease when introduced to a healthy experimental animal.

“4. The microorganism must be extracted from the diseased experimental animal and demonstrated to be the same microorganism that was originally isolated from the first diseased animal.”

As noted by many, these criteria were written before the discovery of viruses, so fail to include them in their consideration of what a disease is.

Dr Griffin outlined other shortcomings in Koch’s rules.

“The first postulate in particular is void as even at Koch’s time (which he later admitted)” he told us. “Folks knew that you could catch e.g. Cholera without necessarily becoming unwell - asymptomatic infection is a massive issue for these ideas (first and third postulates), as is the arrival of molecular biology!”

Another of Koch’s postulates was that bacteria must be able to be isolated from the host. Viruses, unlike bacteria, require host cells in which to replicate, so also cannot be isolated in the same way Koch defined with bacteria, which according to Dr Griffin, required “culture as in a flask of media, so viruses don’t fit this idea.”

So simply put, Koch’s postulates are not a good measure of what causes disease in 2020.

PCR tests

We also know that PCR tests are identifying the virus that causes Covid- 19 and working well.

As we have written before, PCR tests used in Covid-19 testing are extremely sensitive and specific at detecting Covid-19 and do not confuse other coronaviruses, such as ones that cause the common cold, for Covid-19.

“The PCR test is incredibly stringent and specific, requires two separate reactions to be positive ... and EVERY test is also sequenced, so we know it is SARS-CoV2 and not another virus,” said Dr Griffin.

So in summary, Covid-19 has been isolated, Koch’s postulates don’t have to universally apply for something to cause disease, and tests to identify the Covid-19 virus do work.

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Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   19:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Gatlin (#45)

I will diligently present myself to enjoy life

There will be no joy. The masktard world you promote has already killed off all beauty, art, and culture. The Covid hoax has weakened the nation's resolve and unity. The will of the people has been overthrown in the election. Now our borders are open to every dreg of the third world. Our children have had their childhoods stolen through masking and lockdown. And you have had championed this from the very beginning. Where will you find any joy ever again?

threat of Lucifer

Lucifer has taken advantage of you due to your ignorance of his devices.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with living without God? Nothing wrong trying to take the place of God? Are you sure about that?

You don’t KNOW this.

The only reason Lucifer is uniting the world is to fight God. That is the whole teaching of Armegeddon.

And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

21 And the remnant (of humans) were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

These are the consequences of the world you are helping to create.

watchman  posted on  2021-02-02   21:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: watchman (#47)

A Christian is called to love God with all of his or her mind. Thus, political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered. Unfairly depicting opponents and their arguments is prohibited, as is neglecting to do the hard intellectual work of deep study and arrogantly refusing the insights of trained, knowledgeable experts in various fields. Christians are sometimes guilty of this kind of indiscretion. And even worse, they can be proud of their anti- intellectualism when they ought to be ashamed. It truly is wicked, since it involves intentional rejection of one third of the greatest commandment.

Repeating: Political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered.

The increasing frequency of Christian forms of fanaticism such as yours is alarming. For although we live in a technologically and scientifically advanced age, we also live in an age of widespread ignorance. But whatever the cultural norms, youe fanaticism about Christianity is unbiblical, unwarranted, and has no place in our lives.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   21:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Gatlin (#48)

I am witnessing the greatest, freest republic on earth being transformed into a technocracy that resembles communist China, the most oppressive regime on earth.

The coordinated disinformation campaign of ... the Democrat/technocrat/globalist narrative --- is an orchestrated effort to make Americans believe the unbelievable, and accept the unacceptable.

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=63184

If you ... don'T use exclamaTion poinTs --- you should'T be Typeing ! Commas - semicolons - quesTion marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2021-02-02   21:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: watchman (#47)

While many Christian Americans are thoughtful and productive people simply going about their daily lives like the rest of us, there exists within our country a fanatical segment of Christian followers whose ideology is tarnishing our country and obstructing our progression.

Here are 10 common ways Christian fanaticism is obstructing American progress:

1.) Deeper Division of the classes.

Although the Christian Bible quite plainly repeatedly encourages followers to help the needy and poor, many fanatical Christians seemed to have overlooked their book’s message on this subject and have instead chosen to label those who are struggling as “lazy” and undeserving of any kind of relief. This is a problematic disruption for America because instead of supporting our own improvement by helping others escape poverty, many Christians are doing the exact opposite by treating those who need our help the most with disgust and indignation. This mentality only serves to create a deeper divide between the classes of our country.

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.”

~Deuteronomy 15:7-11 ESV

It is not only ethical for us to treat our fellow citizens with dignity (regardless of their current circumstances), but it benefits us all when we work to find ways to help those who are struggling improve their livelihood, rather than shaming them and banishing them to a life of scarcity. When we help one another, we improve the overall experience of our society, because we create productive citizens who are capable of attaining their own abundance. When we shut them out and cast them aside, we eventually create desperate people who sometimes do desperate things. What we should be doing, whether we are believers or non- believers, is collectively seeking ways to support others in empowering themselves to reach higher standards; not besmirching their existence as our fanatical Christian political propaganda would have us do.

2.) Education – Historical and Scientific inaccuracies.

Many fanatical Christians are unable to accept historical events as they occurred and insist on altering history in order to fit their religious version of events. This mental intrusion can be seen in many spectrums of our educational system; including an array of scientific and other academic disciplines. Additionally, fanatical Christians persist in asserting that past genocides and other atrocious acts (such as Hitler’s extermination of the Jews) was not a Christian-instigated endeavor; when in fact, the comments, publications of the time, photos and speeches used in those campaigns suggest otherwise.

Even more disturbing is the fanatical Christian (specifically Christian Revisionist) effort to alter public educational instruction so that America’s youth are taught that our nation was founded on Christian principles, rather than the secular values of our founding fathers. This is a problem because many American Christians are not even cognizant of the fact that our original money and pledge never mentions God, nor are they aware that, although many of our founding fathers were men who believed in a god, they were not Christians at all and found the Christian Bible and religion completely oppressive and abhorrent.

“Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”

~Founding Father George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792

Our founding fathers were free-thinkers of the enlightenment and in fact, a primary reason in them establishing this country was to flee the oppression of their theocratic Christian homeland. In reality America has always been a secular nation from its inception – a fact fanatical Christians want Americans to forget by amending history to fit their agenda.

3.) Climate change denial.

Many fanatical Christians are living in denial of the obvious changes happening in our natural environment. This is a dilemma that affects everyone on this planet and must be addressed expediently; or we will all suffer by our own inaction. Rather than working together to improve the health of our planet, many fanatical Christians have chosen to delay the process of expunging our world of harmful toxins and human practices in favor of debating whether climate change actually exists. This ridiculously profound waste-of-time and tax-payer funds is an impediment to Americans using our time wisely to improve our habitat – and thus our own health and human experience.

Truthfully, whether climate change exists or not is irrelevant to whether we should be working to improve our natural environment. Is it really necessary that we confirm that our world is suffering in order to comprehend that treating our planet with respect is always the right course of action, regardless of whether the climate is actually changing? Shouldn’t we be consistently working to improve the health of our world and using clean and efficient resources to power our planet? Why must we debate common sense?

4.) Religious voting.

Those we elect as the leaders of our nation – who create the laws we all must abide by – is a serious matter. However, many fanatical Christians are not as concerned with a candidate’s ability to effectively perform the duties of their office in a way that serves the people’s interests as they are with the religious belief structure that the candidate chooses to follow. This is an extremely concerning trend that enables leaders to hold positions in this country that empower them to oppress citizens with regulations that benefit their specific religion, irrespective of how those citizens who do not agree with Christian principles will be affected. In fact, that is the intention of fanatical Christian politicians and their electorate – to turn this country into a Christian state where we are all obliged to follow Christian principles of morality and “freedom”.

“We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.”

~Founding Father John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785

This is a grim conundrum for countless Americans, because for those of us who follow other religions, or no religion, the threat of Christian theocratic rule is real. It is disturbing when we comprehend what will happen to our freedoms if religious voters and the politicians who lead them are successful in turning our country into an oppressive, religious, legal nightmare.

5.) Ineffective Sexual Education.

For decades, fanatical Christians have denied the reality of sex in the human experience by restricting access to comprehensive sexual education for our young citizens. They have done this by implementing (and even using tax dollars to fund) abstinence only programs that simply don’t work. In fact, they can have a detrimental consequence because when we deny our youth of necessary sexual education, many of those youths enter into adulthood ill-prepared for the accountabilities of sexual activity; while also leaving them uninformed of safe sexual conduct.

Abstinence only programs are completely ineffective and generally only serve to delay sexual activity by several months, rather than its intended result of preserving virginity until a marital relationship is established. Furthermore, young people who are deprived of comprehensive sexual education in favor of abstinence only teachings (and follow those instructions) often marry earlier than their educated peers as they are convinced that sexual activity is only suitable within the confines of a marital relationship. This can lead to the young person to marry from a place of biological sexual frustration rather than a genuine mental decision – certainly a situation that is not beneficial to any party involved.

Additionally, it only stands to reason that if Christians oppose abortion, they must be willing to support the alternative – contraception methods – something taught in comprehensive sexual education. It is unrealistic to expect that a human youth will, in fact, wait until a marital relationship is established to engage in sexual activity – because most don’t, regardless of their original lessons about sex. Sexual education is not only beneficial to overall health of all involved by making people more informed about safe sexual practices, but it is essential for those who oppose abortion to support a resource that actually helps prevent any abortion from ever becoming necessary – but, this is not what happens, because many fanatical Christians are still convinced that restricting sexual activity is effective – when in fact, it’s not; nor will it ever be as it’s in direct opposition to natural human tendencies.

6.) Televangelist con artist and the fear machine.

Turn on your television and you can easily find Christian channels full of televangelists making outrageous statements about how god is punishing our country, derogatory declarations about the LGBT community, how atheist should be shipped off somewhere else, and how the end times are upon us. Interestingly, after filling the viewers mind with fear and hatred towards their fellow citizens, they proceed by insisting on a financial offering, which many followers freely provide. Meanwhile, these same televangelist live in multi-million dollar homes, build extravagant churches and do very little to actually help those who are truly in need, all while paying no taxes to spread their propaganda and exerting huge influence over millions of American voters.

This is disconcerting as it vastly contributes to perpetuating a religious cultural fear and discrimination in our society while swindling the believer out of their hard-earned resources. At the same time, followers of these con artists are mentally persuaded that their hatred and bigotry towards their peers is justified as good moral conduct and that their ideas place them in a mental position of superiority based solely on religious contentions. This is a problem because millions of Americans rely on these religious tricksters for their religious instruction, and those teachings translate into votes for politicians whose policies affect everyone in this country.

7.) The continuation of the war on drugs.

There is an enormous problem within our prison system that has been largely understated for many decades. Our “war on drugs” is a monumental failure that has done nothing more than incarcerate addicts and perpetuate a cycle of crime; often leaving those same individuals unable to become productive members of society after they are left with a record that hinders their ability to find gainful employment. All this, while private prisons make record profits off of imprisoning non-violent drug-users, instead of helping them recover from addictions.

Many fanatical Christians (especially those Christian politicians who are in a position to influence federal and state laws) are perpetuating this problem by insisting that our failed war on drugs must remain the standard for our treatment of drug users. This is absurd because it is obvious that our current method of imprisoning drug users and addicts is highly ineffective and wildly expensive for non-profit prisons supported by tax payer funds. Yet, many fanatical Christians are against drug law reform and insist on preserving a system that criminalizes drug users rather than helping them recover from addictions and become more productive members of our society. While many of our more free-thinking politicians and citizens’ support reforming our current stance on drugs in America to a more humane and helpful program, fanatical Christians continue to obstruct progress in this area by refusing to acknowledge – and work to change – the problem.

8.) Representation without taxation.

Most religious institutions in America are exempt from paying taxes, yet Christian fanatics and politicians insist on forcing a religious Christian agenda onto the American public – all while paying no taxes to support the various financial necessities of our country. There is a reason religious institutions don’t pay taxes – because they are not supposed to be represented by our government.

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”

~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

Our government is explicitly discouraged from supporting one specific religion as a federal endorsement of religious concepts. Our founding fathers understood this necessity to separate religion from governmental functions in order that all may remain free to worship (or not) according to their own conscience. However, some Christian fanatics have attempted to redefine the meaning of “religious freedom” by demanding their religion be given special representation by our government, above all other religious organizations and creeds. They do this by insisting that our country was founded on Christian principles and relentless attempts to force federal laws to submit to Christian concepts.

9.) Forced Division.

If there were no push to turn this country into a Christian theocracy, to eliminate and restrict the rights of women, LGBT and other minority groups. If there were no voter fraud meant to keep progressive ideas from advancing the minds and experiences of our country’s people. If there were no Christian fight for the right to publicly discriminate against the LGBT community. If there were no obstruction of science, technology, history and sexual education, among many other issues – there would be no necessity to counter it, and therefore, less division of our population over ideas that affect us all.

Christian fanatics force this country to divide amongst itself because those who are unwilling to have their lives and thoughts religiously dictated to them through legal processes must react. It is essential that they react – because if they don’t, they will soon find themselves in a precarious situation, where the life and freedom they once knew is taken from them by a group of people whose values do not reflect their own. For this reason, our courts often uphold rulings that keep religion (all religion) out of the public square; and even then, Christian fanatics cry foul when they are unable to use their religion to dominate an entire nation and its people.

“Knowledge and liberty are so prevalent in this country, that I do not believe that the United States would ever be disposed to establish one religious sect, and lay all others under legal disabilities. But as we know not what may take place hereafter, and any such test would be exceedingly injurious to the rights of free citizens, I cannot think it altogether superfluous to have added a clause, which secures us from the possibility of such oppression.”

~Founding Father Oliver Wolcott, Connecticut Ratifying Convention, 9 January 1788

It is unfortunate that we are unable to agree on the most basic principles of many aspects of American life and freedom, but if those who don’t agree with Christian fanatics don’t speak up – who chooses? What principles reign over our country? And who then will speak for those who don’t identify with those ideas? What becomes of their rights? Their justice in courts? Their freedoms? There must be a retort in order to prevent our country from losing the freedom and unity that we as a people are fully capable of enjoying, so long as the proclamations of our founding documents are upheld.

10.) Global credibility.

Much of the developed world has already reached a perceptive and educated understanding that our religions are merely our current myths, just as our past religions were the ideas we understand as fables today. However, American Christian fanatics refuse to concede what is already palpable to much of the developed global community. Our reluctance to surrender our archaic ideas and embrace reality has left a stain on our credibility, because more informed citizens of other developed countries perceive our citizens as gullible and undereducated.

Furthermore, when our Christian leaders use their power to alter history and our educational system to fit into their religious concepts (rather than thoroughly researched and proven facts) our citizens become less equipped to compete in a world where facts, evidence and knowledge are increasingly important and necessary for global opportunity and expansion.

Christian fanatics love to live in a country where we are all free to practice our religion as we please. However, their view of “religious freedom”, truly only applies to one specific belief – their own. What their words and actions honestly exhibit, is that: we are free to worship as we choose (or not), just so long as we agree that Jesus is god, that our nation is a Christian nation and that all citizens should accept and acknowledge the Christian political, social and moral agenda.

In reality, the Christian fanatic is not concerned with religious freedom at all – they are concerned only with religious supremacy and using their religion to coerce our nation into abandoning its secular, enlightenment and free-thinking roots. Religious liberty is not achieved by enabling one religion to attain political and legal dominance over a nation; it is achieved by comprehending that one religious group must never achieve that authority.

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Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   21:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: BorisY (#49)

I am witnessing the greatest, freest republic on earth being transformed into a technocracy that resembles communist China, the most oppressive regime on earth.

Yes, you are.

The coordinated disinformation campaign of ... the Democrat/technocrat/globalist narrative --- is an orchestrated effort to make Americans believe the unbelievable, and accept the unacceptable.

Yes, it is.

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   22:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Gatlin (#48)

A Christian is called to love God with all of his or her mind. Thus, political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered. Unfairly depicting opponents and their arguments is prohibited, as is neglecting to do the hard intellectual work of deep study and arrogantly refusing the insights of trained, knowledgeable experts in various fields. Christians are sometimes guilty of this kind of indiscretion. And even worse, they can be proud of their anti- intellectualism when they ought to be ashamed. It truly is wicked, since it involves intentional rejection of one third of the greatest commandment.

That is a reasonable statement.

Can you give us some examples of when you think Christians behave as you have described above.

Because some people would attribute those characteristics falsely and are in error.

A K A Stone  posted on  2021-02-02   22:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stonem watchman (#52) (Edited)

A Christian is called to love God with all of his or her mind. Thus, political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered. Unfairly depicting opponents and their arguments is prohibited, as is neglecting to do the hard intellectual work of deep study and arrogantly refusing the insights of trained, knowledgeable experts in various fields. Christians are sometimes guilty of this kind of indiscretion. And even worse, they can be proud of their anti-intellectualism when they ought to be ashamed. It truly is wicked, since it involves intentional rejection of one third of the greatest commandment.

That is a reasonable statement.

As my statements always are.

Can you give us some examples of when you think Christians behave as you have described above.

Yes.

A Christian is called to love God with all of his or her mind.

Billy Graham.

Thus, political, economic, moral, legal, and scientific issues must be fairly depicted and intelligently and thoughtfully pondered.

Walter Cronkite.

Unfairly depicting opponents and their arguments is prohibited, as is neglecting to do the hard intellectual work of deep study and arrogantly refusing the insights of trained, knowledgeable experts in various fields. Christians are sometimes guilty of this kind of indiscretion. And even worse, they can be proud of their anti-intellectualism when they ought to be ashamed. It truly is wicked, since it involves intentional rejection of one third of the greatest commandment.

A K A Stone and Watchman.

Because some people would attribute those characteristics falsely and are in error.

Not this time …

Gatlin  posted on  2021-02-02   22:47:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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