United States News
See other United States News Articles
Title: Video Analysis Proves Kyle Rittenhouse Did Not Shoot First
Source:
Summit News
URL Source: https://summit.news/2020/08/27/vide ... ttenhouse-did-not-shoot-first/
Published: Aug 27, 2020
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2020-08-27 15:29:41 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 4683
Comments: 49
New video analysis of the incident in Kenosha during which two people were shot dead proves that Kyle Rittenhouse did not shoot first and acted in self-defense. Rittenhouse shot three rioters during the confrontation, killing two, one of whom was a convicted pedophile and on the Wisconsin sex offenders registry. Video footage and images from the incident show how Rittenhouse was being pursued and physically attacked before firing any shots. One of the individuals he shot was carrying a handgun, while another tried to hit him over the head with a skateboard and another aimed a kick at his head as he lay on the ground. Now new analysis of footage that preceded Rittenhouse discharging his AR-15 by New York Times Visual Investigations journalist Christiaan Triebert shows that the 17-year-old did not shoot first. “At 23:19, Rittenhouse is seen in this YouTube livestream. He’s being chased into a parking lot. While he is being pursued, an unknown gunman fires the first shot into the air,” tweeted Triebert. The muzzle flash of the first shot can also be seen in the video from a different angle. Rittenhouse has been charged with 1st degree murder, presumably to satiate the Black Lives Matter mob, but all the evidence clearly shows he acted in self-defense. One wonders if the media will acknowledge that there were at least two gunmen involved in the confrontation and that the one pursuing Rittenhouse fired his weapon first. Don’t hold your breath.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Comments (1-9) not displayed.
.
.
.
#10. To: misterwhite (#9)
Where's the blood? It just so happens that I cut my knee with a chainsaw last week, but it didn't look anywhere close to that wound. There was, however, blood. His right arm would be fully coated with blood, as well as his left hand, as he tried to hold the wounded arm. Yet, his left hand is spotless. His entire arm and his other hand would be glistening with fresh blood. With the artery blown open he would be dead in moments. As Elon said, "You know it's real because it looks so fake".
Must not have hit the artery. The cut blood vessels will spasm, pull back into the injured part, and shrink.
We can agree to disagree on that one. The misdemeanor will be used to say that all his acts with the firearm were incident to his committing a crime. He transported the firearm across state lines for the very purpose of using it unlawfully. While there is a presumption "that the actor reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself if the actor makes such a claim," the "presumption ... does not apply if ... [t]he actor was engaged in a criminal activity.... [WI 939.48] If the court is just looking for an excuse, they can use this: (a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant. (b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant. (c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense. When the government is out to get your ass, they do not play fair. If he fired off four or five shots at the first victim, he will encounter a line of questions to the effect, after the first shot, did you still feel in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm? Wash, rinse, repeat for subsequent shots. One shot in the back. When his back was turned to you, did you feel in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm? He has to justify each and every shot to keep a claim of self-defense. A claim of self-defense is just about the only possible defense. It will be undermined in any way possible. The system abhors a vigilante, even one who takes out the trash. It calls attention to the fact that they were not doing their job. As for Goetz, a mean-spirited prosecutor can easily distinguish that Goetz did not provoke an attack by his own illegal act. And then there is that $43 million civil judgment. The Rittenhouse family will be dragged through civil court.
Like running away? Twice? "The misdemeanor will be used to say that all his acts with the firearm were incident to his committing a crime." He was armed as were many others. His only "crime" was being 17 instead of 18. You can't be saying that others found out he was 17, concluded he was was committing a crime by carrying an AR-15, were therefore provoked, and thus justified in attacking him? nolu. I'm embarrassed for you.
From Lin Wood’s tweet ... When you start manufacturing facts to support false accusations, you get into trouble under the law of defamation. Kyle did not carry a gun across state lines. The gun belonged to his friend, a Wisconsin resident. The gun never left the State of Wisconsin. Truth always prevails.
You really believe that it was fake? :(
I'm on the fence. The head wound looks suspicious. The arm wound looks very real, but to miss that artery...virtually impossible. Misterwhite is correct about the flash suppression, but the gunshots from the AR sound completely bogus to me, especially the first shot he made on white pants guy. Paul wrote: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good". Something that Christians seldom do: examine everything carefully, look deeply into it, turn it over and study it from all sides...which does require a healthy dose of skepticism.
Protecting lives and property from antifa thugs is "unlawful"? Attaboy! Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. nolu. I'm embarrassed for you. Otherts did not have to know he was underage. They knew he was open carrying an AR-15, and of all the people around, they chose him to attack. A prosecutor can argue it. There is nothing there that says the attack must be justified; just than one's unlawful conduct provoked it. How was Rittenhouse going to defend the business if the radicals just decided to go past him? What did he plan to do with the AR-15 he illegally possessed? Being in unlawful possession causes Rittenhouse legal headaches. I would not propose any other underage kids follow his example. They could wind up being where Rittenhouse is. His crime is not being 17, it is unlawful transportation of a firearm across state lines, and unlawful possession of a firearm, and allegedly five felonies in discharging the firearm. As far as is known, a third party discharged a firearm and Rittenhouse stopped, turned, and trained his fiream on Joseph Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum was unarmed. This is the shooting Rittenhouse has to defend, and he has to defend the firing of multiple shots, and defend each shot.
Rittenhouse wasn't "provoking" anyone. I would not propose any other underage kids follow his example. Of course you wouldn't. Teens were involved in the American uprising against British colonialism even before The Revolution. ... Rebel militias took in fighters as young as 10, while the British military drafted men ranging from 16 to 60 years of age We are in a virtual war for America...easy to see which side you're on. Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. He's locked up, ain't he? Do you think a government that allows radicals to loot and burn is going to give him a medal? So you support young, naive kids doing dumb stuff and getting themselves locked up. Good for you.
They should. All three were felons. Man Shot in the Arm by Kyle Rittenhouse Says His Only Regret Was “Not Killing the Kid” The Black Lives Matter protester in Kenosha who was shot in the arm by Kyle Rittenhouse says that his only regret was “not killing the kid,” a statement that will do wonders to help Rittenhouse’s self-defense argument. Gaige Grosskreutz, who was caught on camera pointing a gun at Rittenhouse before the teenager show him in the arm, made the comments after doctors were able to save the limb from being amputated. According to his friend Jacob Marshall, who is pictured with Grosskreutz, the BLM supporter’s “only regret was not killing the kid and hesitating to pull the gun before emptying the entire mag into him.” In the Facebook post, Marshall also admits that Grosskreutz “drew his weapon” before he was shot by Rittenhouse. “Well this literally shows INTENT TO KILL, so Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense lawyer just got an early Christmas present,” tweeted Mike Cernovich. Rittenhouse has excellent legal representation now that Lin Wood has agreed with Rittenhouse’s family to represent the 17-year-old. Wood is famous for representing Covington Catholic High School student Nicholas Sandman, forcing CNN to settle for $275 million dollars after the network defamed Sandman over his confrontation with Native American activist Nathan Phillips in January 2019. Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. ‘Video Clearly Shows Justified Acts of Self Defense”
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Those are the exact questions the rioters and looters would be asking themselves at the time. Does the gang of thugs press the issue or simply go down the street for an easier target?
That's my point. As far as they knew he was legally carrying. Meaning he was not engaged in illegal behavior which provoked them. I don't see how the prosecution could use the fact that he was illegally carrying as nullifying the self-defense argument.
This Class 3 sexual predator with a history of violence was "unarmed" when he was shot only because he threw a heavy object in a plastic bag at Kyle Rittenhouse and missed. If you look at the video, Rosenbaum had a group of 10-15 people running with him. So there's that. And here's your guy (in the rust colored shirt) just itching to beat the shit ourt of someone:
"Kyle Rittenhouse was working as a community lifeguard in Kenosha on the day of the shooting, went to clean graffiti off a public high school near the Kenosha County Courthouse after work and did not carry a gun across state lines, according to a statement from his legal defense team released on Friday evening." He continued: "Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life's work, including two nearby mechanic's shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines."
See my #26. But you beat me to it.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Kyle was still underage and in unlawful possession. If he was supplied with the weapon, the person who supplied the weapon to the underaged Rittenhouse is guilty of a felony. Add one felony.
[Guardian] "Under Wisconsin law, Rittenhouse, who is 17, was too young to legally posses the rifle he was alleged to have been carrying at the protests." What's interesting with this charge is the state is prosecuting Rittenhouse as an adult for something he did as a minor. Sounds like a potential legal flaw. A potential violation of the 14th Amendment on the basis of age discrimination, aka, a violation of the equal protection clause. Perhaps he should more properly be tried in juvenile court for gun possession as a minor and separately as an adult for the shootings.
Audio recording devices may very well not record loud and softer sounds in the same way we'd hear them in person.
That wound looks horrendous, but would surprise me if done by an AR-15, as they normally use the .223 round, which is relatively small caliber bullet. The .223 round is high velocity, however, as the brass is shaped for that, and of course the AR-15 is a long gun. Handgun rounds are lower velocity but higher caliber, both of which are more likely to create a bad wound. I think that wound, assuming it's not fake, looks much more consistent with that kind of round.
Lawyers reportedly contested this claim saying Rittenhouse did not xfer the weapon over state lines. There was no further elaboration, meaning the state will need to prove any criminal claim they make related to how Rittenhouse came to possess the weapon in Kenosha that night, including who may have provided it to him, if anyone. Just because someone may have committed a crime of providing a minor with the weapon doesn't mean the state can prove who that someone is.
If the case goes to trial, there will be the issue of the state convincing all 12 jurists to find Rittenhouse guilty of doing something as a minor (defending his own life) that would be legal as an adult. Sure there is the technical argument that the state will insist proves criminal actions by Rittenhouse, but .... jury nullification may well be the biggest problem the state will face on this highly publicized and highly emotional event. If ever there was the potential for jury nullification, it will be with this case. Maybe there won't be an acquittal, but I thank there is very widespread and very strong public anger over this rioting that will spill into the jury pool that will work in Rittenhouse's favor. A hung jury will be a win for Rittenhouse.
The shots fired at the auto service were recorded accurately, while the shots made on the street were greatly reduced. Different cameras? We aren't told. The shot made on white pants is unlike any .223 I've ever heard. (I live in an rural area where guns are going off all the time. All calibers.) All the shots on the street are missing the distinctive .223 supersonic crack. And yes I know the difference. I have always been irritated by the .223, as opposed to other rounds.
Grosskreutz's arm wound IS horrendous. A surgeon in the family, who has worked on war wounds and gunshots extensively, thought the arm would need to be amputated. So, then: Why doesn't the horrible AR arm wound match any wound on "headwound harry" at the auto service? Why doesn't the arm wound damage correspond to the repair shown after the doctor sowed it up? Where did that skin flap come from? Did they just cover over the extensive tissue damage? And most of all, why weren't the victims taken IMMEDIATELY to the Kenosha Medical Emergency Room, located less than a hundred yards from the auto service where headwound harry was shot? (Eventually the crowd would carry headwound across the street, but not directly to the ER. He was simply dumped in a car trunk and driven away! Poor Grosskreutz was made to sit in the street until cops arrived. The auto service is located near 63rd and Sheridan Road. The street view shows the auto service, and Kenosha Medical Center Emergency Room entrance is directly across the street.
It's up to the state and it is done all the time. It's not a federal issue.
Yes, it is claimed that he obtained use of the weapon in Wisconsin. The person who provided the weapon committed a felony. The odds that they can't track down the owner lies between slim and none.
If ever there was the potential for jury nullification, it will be with this case. Maybe there won't be an acquittal, but I thank there is very widespread and very strong public anger over this rioting that will spill into the jury pool that will work in Rittenhouse's favor. A hung jury will be a win for Rittenhouse. Wrong. Mistatement of fact. What Rittenhouse did as a juvenile that was unlawful was to possess a dangerous firearm. You are expecting jury nullification in a location that permits rioting to occur and orders the police to stand down. I am all for Rittenhouse getting off, but I do not see it as approaching a sure thing. The only defense is self-defense, and there are some hurdles to overcome. A hung jury could also mean a retrial. A win which results in family bankruptcy is difficult to view as a win by the winner(s). Also, there are almost certain civil suits. Under the most stressful conditions imaginable, I think Rittenhouse showed great restraint. Nevertheless, he and his family face difficult times ahead. As he is a juvenile, civil suits would go against whatever is owned by the family. For some interesting and detailed analysis of what happened and the applicable law, see: The Kenosha Shootings / Kyle Rittenhouse: A Tactical and Legal Analysis: UPDATED: 1st Shooter ID'd?
Just sayin' that you can remove "unlawful transportation of a firearm across state lines" from your list of charges.
The headwound was a glancing blow and superficial. "The medical examiner found that Rosenbaum was shot in the groin, back and left hand. The wounds fractured his pelvis and perforated his right lung and liver. He also suffered a superficial wound to his left thigh and a graze wound to his forehead." I'm guessing the other hits did him in. Good riddance to bad garbage.
More than I would have shown. There were at least, what, 10 people closing in on him yelling "Get him!". I would have opened up on anyone facing me within 20 yards. Who knows if they're armed?
It's not a sure thing at all. But the current social & political climate is highly unusual making the odds of it occurring much higher. The state has to get all 12 jurists to deliver a guilty verdict that puts a 17-year old away for decades. Anything less fails to convict which is why I'd characterize that as a win for Rittenhouse. Civil suits can certainly be damaging, as the cost of retrials, but he has already received defense donations in the 6 digits. In a civil case, are not all the criminal records of those he shot completely admissible? That we have not heard any news reports covering the families of those he shot lamenting the tragedy of their deaths is rather telling, in my opinion.
I noticed that also. Usually the MSM is quick to trot out the victim's family, relatives, friends and neighbors to talk about how great the person was and how he'll be missed.
His left hand is entirely visible...no wound or blood. No blood visible anywhere. He might have lived if the group had carried him across the street...to the Emergency Room. Oddly enough, no one even mentions, "Hey, let's pick him up and carry him to the ER! It's right across the street!" They DID get together at some point and agree to dump him in the back of a car (that was parked under the insanely bright Emergency Room sign).
Look at the video in the upper right corner starting at 2:58. Blood on the left hand.
I see a little smear on his hand, maybe, not really. Nor is the crowd concerned with his hand or any other part of his body... just his head. Shot in the groin, the thigh, the back, the left hand, and the head. Liver and lungs hit, pelvis shattered This guy should be leakin' like a stuck pig. If you are having trouble understanding what someone looks like after getting hit four times with a firearm you might have to go to one of those gore websites, though I highly recommend that you don't...in fact, don't go there, just take my word for it.
More on his hand than on his head. "This guy should be leakin' like a stuck pig." Not necessarily. If he died right away his heart would stop pumping. Or he was bleeding internally.
In the current political climate in Wisconsin, Rittenhouse is charged and in custody and Grosskreutz (shot in the arm) is not charged for being a felon in possession. If a self-defense case goes to a jury, Rittenhouse may have good chances. The real legal jeopardy is if the court bars his claim to a self-defense plea. That is a real possibility if the court finds Rittenhouse committed a criminal act with an immediate causal connection between the crime and the confrontation. I believe that is what the prosecution will go for. Only if there is some relevance. In a civil suit brought by Grosskreutz, I'm not sure a prior for burglary would be relevant to make Rittenhouse more or less responsible or liable. It would certainly be relevant in a criminal case against Grosskreutz to show illegal possession of the handgun and bar any claim to a plea of self-defense in brandishing the weapon. As I see it, Rittenhouse cleaned up the gene pool, but he may face criminal and/or civil liability. The civil suits will certainly come. Evan Casey An attorney is now representing a man who was shot in the arm, allegedly by Kyle Rittenhouse, on Tuesday night in Kenosha during civil unrest over the shooting of Jacob Blake. Kimberley Motley, the attorney representing the families of Alvin Cole, Jay Anderson Jr. and Antonio Gonzales — the three people that Wauwatosa Police Officer Joseph Mensah shot and killed in the line of duty in the last five years — is now representing Gaige Grosskreutz. Grosskreutz, 26, of West Allis, is expected to survive, but he’s currently seeking medical attention, Motley confirmed in a statement. “We are resolved to move forward to ensure that all parties who were involved in the Kenosha killings and the circumstances that led to them are held accountable,” Motley said in a statement Friday. “We believe that what occurred was by no means the result of the actions of only one teenaged individual.” [snip] That's not a defense lawyer. That's a lawyer to sue somebody.
#11. To: watchman (#10)
With the artery blown open he would be dead in moments.
#12. To: misterwhite (#6)
Nah. The prosecution's got nuthin'. The unlawful misdemeanor possession was tacked on because that's the only charge that will eventually stick.
(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
#13. To: nolu chan (#12)
The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight
#14. To: misterwhite (#6)
#15. To: watchman (#8)
Having fake wounds on hand for a hoax would be expected.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)
#17. To: nolu chan (#12)
. He transported the firearm across state lines for the very purpose of using it unlawfully.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#18. To: misterwhite (#13)
You can't be saying that others found out he was 17, concluded he was was committing a crime by carrying an AR-15, were therefore provoked, and thus justified in attacking him?
A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack....
#19. To: nolu chan (#18)
A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#20. To: Deckard (#17)
Protecting lives and property from antifa thugs is "unlawful"?
#21. To: nolu chan (#20)
Do you think a government that allows radicals to loot and burn is going to give him a medal?
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#22. To: nolu chan (#20)
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#23. To: nolu chan (#18)
How was Rittenhouse going to defend the business if the radicals just decided to go past him? What did he plan to do with the AR-15 he illegally possessed?
#24. To: nolu chan (#18)
Otherts did not have to know he was underage. They knew he was open carrying an AR-15, and of all the people around, they chose him to attack.
#25. To: nolu chan (#18)
Rosenbaum was unarmed.
#26. To: nolu chan (#18)
is crime is not being 17, it is unlawful transportation of a firearm across state lines,
#27. To: A K A Stone (#14)
#28. To: misterwhite, A K A Stone, watchman, nolu chan (#27)
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#29. To: misterwhite (#26)
Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities,
#30. To: nolu chan (#4)
[Guardian] "Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system."
#31. To: watchman (#5)
The shoot out...Kyle's AR is way too quite (compare to sounds made at the beginning of the video). AR's are extremely loud
#32. To: watchman (#8)
#33. To: nolu chan (#12)
He transported the firearm across state lines for the very purpose of using it unlawfully.
#34. To: nolu chan (#29)
#35. To: Pinguinite (#31)
Audio recording devices may very well not record loud and softer sounds in the same way we'd hear them in person.
#36. To: Pinguinite (#32)
That wound looks horrendous
#37. To: Pinguinite (#30)
What's interesting with this charge is the state is prosecuting Rittenhouse as an adult for something he did as a minor. Sounds like a potential legal flaw. A potential violation of the 14th Amendment on the basis of age discrimination, aka, a violation of the equal protection clause.
#38. To: Pinguinite (#33)
Lawyers reportedly contested this claim saying Rittenhouse did not xfer the weapon over state lines. There was no further elaboration, meaning the state will need to prove any criminal claim they make related to how Rittenhouse came to possess the weapon in Kenosha that night, including who may have provided it to him, if anyone. Just because someone may have committed a crime of providing a minor with the weapon doesn't mean the state can prove who that someone is.
#39. To: Pinguinite (#34)
If the case goes to trial, there will be the issue of the state convincing all 12 jurists to find Rittenhouse guilty of doing something as a minor (defending his own life) that would be legal as an adult. Sure there is the technical argument that the state will insist proves criminal actions by Rittenhouse, but .... jury nullification may well be the biggest problem the state will face on this highly publicized and highly emotional event.
#40. To: nolu chan (#29)
#41. To: watchman (#36)
Why doesn't the horrible AR arm wound match any wound on "headwound harry" at the auto service?
#42. To: nolu chan (#39)
Under the most stressful conditions imaginable, I think Rittenhouse showed great restraint.
#43. To: nolu chan (#39)
(Edited)
but I do not see it as approaching a sure thing.
#44. To: Pinguinite (#43)
That we have not heard any news reports covering the families of those he shot lamenting the tragedy of their deaths
#45. To: misterwhite (#41)
groin, back and left hand
#46. To: watchman (#45)
His left hand is entirely visible...no wound or blood.
#47. To: misterwhite (#46)
"The medical examiner found that Rosenbaum was shot in the groin, back and left hand. The wounds fractured his pelvis and perforated his right lung and liver. He also suffered a superficial wound to his left thigh and a graze wound to his forehead."
#48. To: watchman (#47)
I see a little smear on his hand
#49. To: Pinguinite (#43)
In a civil case, are not all the criminal records of those he shot completely admissible?
That we have not heard any news reports covering the families of those he shot lamenting the tragedy of their deaths is rather telling, in my opinion.
The man who was shot in the arm during a protest in Kenosha is being represented by attorney Kimberley Motley
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Published 12:39 p.m. CT Aug. 28, 2020
Updated 5:17 p.m. CT Aug 28, 2020
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
[Home] [Headlines] [Latest Articles] [Latest Comments] [Post] [Mail] [Sign-in] [Setup] [Help] [Register]