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Title: Video Analysis Proves Kyle Rittenhouse Did Not Shoot First
Source: Summit News
URL Source: https://summit.news/2020/08/27/vide ... ttenhouse-did-not-shoot-first/
Published: Aug 27, 2020
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2020-08-27 15:29:41 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 6695
Comments: 49

New video analysis of the incident in Kenosha during which two people were shot dead proves that Kyle Rittenhouse did not shoot first and acted in self-defense.

Rittenhouse shot three rioters during the confrontation, killing two, one of whom was a convicted pedophile and on the Wisconsin sex offenders registry.

Video footage and images from the incident show how Rittenhouse was being pursued and physically attacked before firing any shots.

One of the individuals he shot was carrying a handgun, while another tried to hit him over the head with a skateboard and another aimed a kick at his head as he lay on the ground.

Now new analysis of footage that preceded Rittenhouse discharging his AR-15 by New York Times Visual Investigations journalist Christiaan Triebert shows that the 17-year-old did not shoot first.

“At 23:19, Rittenhouse is seen in this YouTube livestream. He’s being chased into a parking lot. While he is being pursued, an unknown gunman fires the first shot into the air,” tweeted Triebert.

The muzzle flash of the first shot can also be seen in the video from a different angle.

Rittenhouse has been charged with 1st degree murder, presumably to satiate the Black Lives Matter mob, but all the evidence clearly shows he acted in self-defense.

One wonders if the media will acknowledge that there were at least two gunmen involved in the confrontation and that the one pursuing Rittenhouse fired his weapon first.

Don’t hold your breath.

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#1. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#0)

Rittenhouse shot three rioters during the confrontation, killing two

I have my doubts the guy shot in the head was struck by fire from an AR-15 at close range. When the guy who took off his shirt was asked to apply pressure to control the bleeding, he asked where the down guy was wounded, and was told in the head. It seems like the bullet entered and did not exit. An AR-15 would have exited and likely left a large hole behind.

The down guy may have been a victim of off-target "friendly" handgun fire. Maybe they will retrieve a bullet out of his head.

nolu chan  posted on  2020-08-27   18:10:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nolu chan (#1)

An AR-15 would have exited and likely left a large hole behind.

I agree. But when I first saw the video, for some reason I thought the head wound looked like a glancing blow. Not a lot of blood and he was responsive.

The shooter fired what sounded like four shots. Perhaps he was also hit elsewhere?

misterwhite  posted on  2020-08-27   18:21:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#2)

I thought the head wound looked like a glancing blow. ... The shooter fired what sounded like four shots. Perhaps he was also hit elsewhere?

Well done! Doctor says he was hit with a glancing blow to the head, and had wounds to the groin, the back, the left hand, and the lateral left thigh.

In updated charges, Rittenhouse was charged with possession of a dangerous weapon by someone under the age of 18.

I believe the unlawful misdemeanor possession charge is not just piling on, but to be used to attack an expected claim of self-defense.

[Kenosha News] Rittenhouse charged with multiple counts of homicide

Deneen Smith
Kenosha News
Aug 27, 2020 Updated 3 hrs ago

[Guardian] Prosecutors release charges against alleged Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse

[CBS] Criminal Complaint Against Kyle Rittenhouse Details Prosecutors’ Version Of Events In Kenosha Shooting That Killed 2, Wounded 1

By Adam Harrington, CBS 2 web producer
By CBS 2 Chicago Staff
August 27, 2020 at 7:57 pm

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Rittenhouse faces now faces six charges:

  • first degree intentional homicide in the death of Anthony Huber (chest shot)

  • first-degree reckless homicide in the death of Joseph Rosenbaum (head shot)

  • attempted first-degree intentional homicide re Gaige Grosskreutz (arm shot)

  • two counts of first-degree reckless endangerment

  • possession of dangerous weapon by someone under the age of 18

[Guardian] "Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system."

[Guardian] "Under Wisconsin law, Rittenhouse, who is 17, was too young to legally posses the rifle he was alleged to have been carrying at the protests."

[Kenosha News] "The complaint states that McGinnis stated that Rosenbaum was attempting to grab the barrel of the gun when he was shot."

[Kenosha News] “As the defendant is running away he can be heard saying on the phone (on video) ‘I just killed somebody,” the complaint states.

[Kenosha News] "Authorities allege Rittenhouse used a Smith & Wesson AR-15 style .223 rifle...."

[CBS] "McGinnis said he did not hear Rosenbaum and Rittenhouse exchange any words, and said Rosenbaum was trying to get Rittenhouse’s gun, prosecutors said."

[CBS] "Dr. P. Douglas Kelley of the Milwaukee Medical Examiner’s office determined that Rosenbaum suffered one gunshot to the groin that fractured his pelvis, another to the back which perforated his right lung and liver, another to the left hand, a superficial gunshot wound to his lateral left thigh, and a graze wound to the right side his forehead."

nolu chan  posted on  2020-08-28   0:45:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan (#4)

I believe the unlawful misdemeanor possession charge is not just piling on, but to be used to attack an expected claim of self-defense.

Nah. The prosecution's got nuthin'. The unlawful misdemeanor possession was tacked on because that's the only charge that will eventually stick.

Remember Bernhard Goetz, the 1984 New York subway vigilante? He was charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment, and several firearms offenses? He was only found guilty of one count of carrying an unlicensed firearm.

misterwhite  posted on  2020-08-28   10:36:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#6)

Nah. The prosecution's got nuthin'. The unlawful misdemeanor possession was tacked on because that's the only charge that will eventually stick.

We can agree to disagree on that one. The misdemeanor will be used to say that all his acts with the firearm were incident to his committing a crime. He transported the firearm across state lines for the very purpose of using it unlawfully.

While there is a presumption "that the actor reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself if the actor makes such a claim," the "presumption ... does not apply if ... [t]he actor was engaged in a criminal activity.... [WI 939.48]

If the court is just looking for an excuse, they can use this:

(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:

(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.

(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.

(c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.

When the government is out to get your ass, they do not play fair. If he fired off four or five shots at the first victim, he will encounter a line of questions to the effect, after the first shot, did you still feel in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm? Wash, rinse, repeat for subsequent shots. One shot in the back. When his back was turned to you, did you feel in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm? He has to justify each and every shot to keep a claim of self-defense.

A claim of self-defense is just about the only possible defense. It will be undermined in any way possible. The system abhors a vigilante, even one who takes out the trash. It calls attention to the fact that they were not doing their job.

As for Goetz, a mean-spirited prosecutor can easily distinguish that Goetz did not provoke an attack by his own illegal act. And then there is that $43 million civil judgment. The Rittenhouse family will be dragged through civil court.

nolu chan  posted on  2020-08-28   17:30:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan (#12)

The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight

Like running away? Twice?

"The misdemeanor will be used to say that all his acts with the firearm were incident to his committing a crime."

He was armed as were many others. His only "crime" was being 17 instead of 18.

You can't be saying that others found out he was 17, concluded he was was committing a crime by carrying an AR-15, were therefore provoked, and thus justified in attacking him?

nolu. I'm embarrassed for you.

misterwhite  posted on  2020-08-28   18:04:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#13)

You can't be saying that others found out he was 17, concluded he was was committing a crime by carrying an AR-15, were therefore provoked, and thus justified in attacking him?

nolu. I'm embarrassed for you.

A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack....

Otherts did not have to know he was underage. They knew he was open carrying an AR-15, and of all the people around, they chose him to attack. A prosecutor can argue it. There is nothing there that says the attack must be justified; just than one's unlawful conduct provoked it.

How was Rittenhouse going to defend the business if the radicals just decided to go past him? What did he plan to do with the AR-15 he illegally possessed?

Being in unlawful possession causes Rittenhouse legal headaches. I would not propose any other underage kids follow his example. They could wind up being where Rittenhouse is.

His crime is not being 17, it is unlawful transportation of a firearm across state lines, and unlawful possession of a firearm, and allegedly five felonies in discharging the firearm. As far as is known, a third party discharged a firearm and Rittenhouse stopped, turned, and trained his fiream on Joseph Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum was unarmed. This is the shooting Rittenhouse has to defend, and he has to defend the firing of multiple shots, and defend each shot.

nolu chan  posted on  2020-08-29   2:55:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nolu chan (#18)

is crime is not being 17, it is unlawful transportation of a firearm across state lines,

"Kyle Rittenhouse was working as a community lifeguard in Kenosha on the day of the shooting, went to clean graffiti off a public high school near the Kenosha County Courthouse after work and did not carry a gun across state lines, according to a statement from his legal defense team released on Friday evening."

He continued: "Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life's work, including two nearby mechanic's shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines."

misterwhite  posted on  2020-08-29   11:45:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite (#26)

Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities,

Kyle was still underage and in unlawful possession. If he was supplied with the weapon, the person who supplied the weapon to the underaged Rittenhouse is guilty of a felony.

Add one felony.

nolu chan  posted on  2020-08-29   22:57:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: nolu chan (#29)

If the case goes to trial, there will be the issue of the state convincing all 12 jurists to find Rittenhouse guilty of doing something as a minor (defending his own life) that would be legal as an adult. Sure there is the technical argument that the state will insist proves criminal actions by Rittenhouse, but .... jury nullification may well be the biggest problem the state will face on this highly publicized and highly emotional event.

If ever there was the potential for jury nullification, it will be with this case. Maybe there won't be an acquittal, but I thank there is very widespread and very strong public anger over this rioting that will spill into the jury pool that will work in Rittenhouse's favor.

A hung jury will be a win for Rittenhouse.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-08-30   0:52:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#39. To: Pinguinite (#34)

If the case goes to trial, there will be the issue of the state convincing all 12 jurists to find Rittenhouse guilty of doing something as a minor (defending his own life) that would be legal as an adult. Sure there is the technical argument that the state will insist proves criminal actions by Rittenhouse, but .... jury nullification may well be the biggest problem the state will face on this highly publicized and highly emotional event.

If ever there was the potential for jury nullification, it will be with this case. Maybe there won't be an acquittal, but I thank there is very widespread and very strong public anger over this rioting that will spill into the jury pool that will work in Rittenhouse's favor.

A hung jury will be a win for Rittenhouse.

Wrong. Mistatement of fact. What Rittenhouse did as a juvenile that was unlawful was to possess a dangerous firearm.

You are expecting jury nullification in a location that permits rioting to occur and orders the police to stand down. I am all for Rittenhouse getting off, but I do not see it as approaching a sure thing. The only defense is self-defense, and there are some hurdles to overcome.

A hung jury could also mean a retrial. A win which results in family bankruptcy is difficult to view as a win by the winner(s). Also, there are almost certain civil suits. Under the most stressful conditions imaginable, I think Rittenhouse showed great restraint. Nevertheless, he and his family face difficult times ahead. As he is a juvenile, civil suits would go against whatever is owned by the family.

For some interesting and detailed analysis of what happened and the applicable law, see:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-Kenosha-Shootings-Kyle-Rittenhouse-A-Tactical-and-Legal-Analysis-WARNING-Bandwidth-Intensive/5-2362796/

The Kenosha Shootings / Kyle Rittenhouse: A Tactical and Legal Analysis: UPDATED: 1st Shooter ID'd?

nolu chan  posted on  2020-08-30 12:46:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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