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Title: Palin Exposes the Tea Partiers' True Colors
Source: Town Hall
URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/Stev ... partiers_true_colors?page=full
Published: Feb 11, 2010
Author: Steve Chapman
Post Date: 2010-02-11 09:44:51 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 17694
Comments: 76

The tea party movement started as a welcome protest against the alarming growth of federal spending and federal control. It had a strong anti-statist flavor, or seemed to. But judging from the applause for Sarah Palin at its convention, the movement's suspicion of government power is exceeded only by its worship of government power.

Her keynote address at last week's gathering in Nashville may have been the curtain raiser on a 2012 presidential campaign. "I think that it would be absurd to not consider what it is that I can potentially do to help our country," she told Fox News when asked about that option.

I'm glad it was she and not I who first used the word "absurd" in relation to a possible Palin bid for the White House. Because if her speech made anything clear, it's that the shallow, ill-informed, truth-twisting demagogue seen in the 2008 presidential campaign is all she is and all she wants to be.

When it comes to economic affairs, the tea partiers agree that -- as Palin put it -- "the government that governs least, governs best." When it comes to war and national security, however, her audience apparently thinks there is no such thing as too much government.

The conventioneers applauded when Palin denounced Obama for his approach to the war on terrorists. Why? Because he lets himself be too confined by the annoying limits imposed by the Constitution. "To win that war, we need a commander in chief, not a professor of law," she declares.

Is her point that Obama is allergic to the use of military power or can't bear to fulfill his responsibility as head of the armed forces? That would come as a surprise to Iraqis, who have seen Obama stick to President Bush's timetable for withdrawal.

It would come as a surprise to Afghans, who have seen him embark on a massive buildup of U.S. troops in their country. It would come as a surprise to Pakistanis, who have seen an increase in U.S. drone missile attacks on their soil.

Palin accuses Obama of "reaching out to hostile regimes" and "apologizing for America," with pitiful results: nuclear tests in North Korea, repression in Iran. What she doesn't mention -- though, to be entirely fair, she may not know it -- is that the first North Korean nuclear test came in 2006 and that before Obama arrived, the mullahs in Tehran did not rule with a gentle, loving hand.

Her chief gripe, though, is that federal agents read the alleged Christmas bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, his Miranda rights shortly after his arrest, at which point, she claims, he "lawyered up and invoked our U.S. constitutional right to remain silent."

Not for long, he didn't. The FBI says Abdulmutallab provided a wealth of useful information under questioning after he got a lawyer. For that matter, as FBI Director Robert Mueller and National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair said last week, he is still being interrogated.

But facts have never been Palin's strong suit. Nor do they matter, because what infuriates her is the mere idea that constitutional protections would apply to "a terrorist who hates our Constitution and tries to destroy our Constitution."

This is not some bizarre paradox. Lots of people who despise our Constitution -- Nazis, communists, Klansmen, Alaska secessionists -- enjoy its protections. Does she think the Bill of Rights should apply only to people who share her views?

That would not leave much of the document she and the tea partiers claim to revere.

Besides, Obama didn't invent the heretical notion of accepting limits on the government's latitude with jihadists. The Bush administration turned hundreds of terrorism cases over to the federal courts, without audible complaint from the right. The Supreme Court has ruled that the Constitution extends even to accused foreign terrorists held at Guantanamo.

The advantage of having a former law professor in the Oval Office is that he doesn't have to be tutored in such elementary realities. But Palin evinces a bitter resentment of any information that contradicts her blind faith in a benevolent, all-powerful security regime. She's more than willing to trade liberty for safety.

That went over conspicuously well in Nashville, where tea partiers cheered a leader who places excessive trust in government, disdains constitutional freedoms and promotes a cult of personality. So remind me: What is it they don't like about Barack Obama?

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#1. To: go65 (#0)

The advantage of having a former law professor in the Oval Office is that he doesn't have to be tutored in such elementary realities.

lol

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-11   9:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#0)

"To win that war, we need a commander in chief, not a professor of law," she declares.

Better a law professor than a quitter.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-02-11   10:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#2)

Better a law professor than a quitter.

Obama as a constitutional scholar is laughable.

I mean come on read the constitution and you will see that most everything he does in unconstitutional and illegal.

Not just him either I will add. Pretty much the whole rotten bunch.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-11   10:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#0)

So remind me: What is it they don't like about Barack Obama?

Tripling of the deficit, double digit unemployment, record foreclosures, bailouts of failed business models, nationalizing of healthcare, increased taxation, terrorist rights, constantly apologizing for America's existence, global warming hoax, cap and trade, 57 states of America, corpsemen, bowing, welath redistribution, anti business, exceleration of big government growth, constant campaigning rather than leading, narcisism, arrogance, vanity, lack of real world experience, hypocrisy, ideology, incoherent policies regarding Europe, Asia, Middle East, Czars...and I'm sure I missed a few things.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   10:19:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#3)

Yep.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   10:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Badeye (#4)

...and I'm sure I missed a few things.

The most glaring one...REALITY...

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   10:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Badeye (#4)

Tripling of the deficit, double digit unemployment, record foreclosures, bailouts of failed business models, nationalizing of healthcare, increased taxation, terrorist rights, constantly apologizing for America's existence, global warming hoax, cap and trade, 57 states of America, corpsemen, bowing, welath redistribution, anti business, exceleration of big government growth, constant campaigning rather than leading, narcisism, arrogance, vanity, lack of real world experience, hypocrisy, ideology, incoherent policies regarding Europe, Asia, Middle East, Czars...and I'm sure I missed a few things.

I'll just point out the things that I disagree with you on. Or somewhat disagree.

Double digit unemployment...He is somewhat responsible but it was going that direction before he became president. Have to cut him a little slack on that one.

Same with foreclosures. He didn't make the loans.

Terrorist rights.....You have to assume they are terrorists. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I don't think I would have a problem with tribunals if they were for people on the battlefield and we had a proper declaration of war.

bowing....I think he is just being polite.

lack of real world experience....While I would never vote for him it is up to the citizens to choose if his experience is worthy of voting for.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-11   10:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom, go65 (#2)

"To win that war, we need a commander in chief, not a professor of law," she declares.

Better a law professor than a quitter.

ROFLMAO! It's good to see you two cut lose your inner dogs of war!

I can just see the "Give Dim Wars a Chance" bumper stickers on your Volvos.

Maybe you will just paste them over the "Visualize Whirled Peas!" bumper stickers to avoid having to answer any embarrassing questions?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-02-11   10:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)

1. 'We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty'

2. Double digit unemployment...He is somewhat responsible

3. Same with foreclosures. He didn't make the loans.

1. 'We' are American Citizens. They are not.

2. 'This stimulus package will keep unemployment at 8%'. Sorry, the double digit unemployment occured on his watch, after he insisted we pass the faux stimulus package that didn't stimulate, just drove us further into debt.

3. He voted to block any review of Fannie and Freddie's books. He's insisted Fanny and Freddy are legal, viable entities. On his watch Fannie and Freddie are doing THE SAME THING TODAY that undermined the entire US economy in the first place.

Personally, I bow to no one. My President shouldn't either, but thats a personal point of view. Given our history of rejecting Royalty in the first place, I think its a very bad precedent. Its a minor irritant.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   10:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone, Badeye (#7)

Terrorist rights.....You have to assume they are terrorists. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I don't think I would have a problem with tribunals if they were for people on the battlefield and we had a proper declaration of war.

Badeye is a staunch supporter of the Imperial Presidency. One of his more infamous defenses of it is to state that the USCON is "not a suicide pact".

That's an overly simplistic view of the fact that no Article of the USCON allows for the type of militarization of the US that we currently "enjoy"...

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   10:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Badeye (#9)

He voted to block any review of Fannie and Freddie's books.

Huh? FN and FM are publically traded companies and are thus compelled to make SEC filings about their financial condition...they are also chartered under the purview of the US government which does not need to "vote" to audit them. The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight can hire an outside auditor to audit their books any time.

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   10:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Badeye (#9)

'We' are American Citizens. They are not.

The USCON does not bifurcate governmental powers into those it may exercise on citizens and those it may exercise on non-citizens.

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   10:41:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Badeye (#9)

1. 'We' are American Citizens. They are not.

I have to leave so I will just address your first point for now.

Take the guy on the christmas day bombing attempt. He isn't an American but he commited a crime on our soil, or airspace. We should prosecute him.

If a french guy comes over here and shoots someone they are not going to send him to a tribunal.

Also remember we have no declaration or war.

We have a resolution giving the president the "right" to enforce any UN resolution. It usurps congresses duty to be the one that declares wars.

I mean think about it we have a supposed law on the books now and any president can use it to attack anyone the UN says deserves it.

That isn't the founders vision of our nation. It certainly isn't mine either.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-11   10:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Badeye (#4)

Tripling of the deficit

Huh?

The FY 2009 deficit was projected at $1.2 trillion on the day Obama took office (the fiscal year started in October 2008). It ended at about $1.4 trillion.

The FY 2010 deficit is projected at $1.75 trillion.

I don't know how you do math.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-02-11   10:51:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Badeye (#9)

3. He voted to block any review of Fannie and Freddie's books. He's insisted Fanny and Freddy are legal, viable entities. On his watch Fannie and Freddie are doing THE SAME THING TODAY that undermined the entire US economy in the first place.

Huh?

Their books are public record:

http://www.freddiemac.com/investors/infostat/

http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/annualreport/index.jhtml;jsessionid=IFPK3I03DLHAXJ2FQSHSFGA

I'm sensing a pattern here.....

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-02-11   10:53:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: go65 (#15)

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   11:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#13) (Edited)

We have a resolution giving the president the "right" to enforce any UN resolution. It usurps congresses duty to be the one that declares wars.

Actually, there was a resolution passed a week or so after 9/11 that authorized the POTUS to use "necessary and appropriate" force against those that precipitated, aided or otherwise promoted the attacks on 9/11 that would both punish the attackers and their enablers and authorize "ncessary and appropriate" force that would prevent future attacks.

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   11:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#16)

"Alaska produces 20% of the country's energy" (it's actually 2%)

"Richard Reid was an American Citizen" (he's British)

"We'll be welcomed as liberators" (we weren't)

See a pattern?

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-02-11   12:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: go65 (#18)

Yep...

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   12:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: go65 (#14)

The FY 2009 deficit was projected at $1.2 trillion on the day Obama took office

And who's been controlling the FEDERAL BUDGET SINCE January of 2007?

Thats right, sports fans, the DEMOCRATS under NANCY PELOSI.

But you want to play word games here...okay, fine.

I expect you to be voting against the Democrats til they cut federal spending.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   12:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: go65 (#15)

You know damn well what I'm talking about.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   12:48:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Badeye (#20)

And who's been controlling the FEDERAL BUDGET SINCE January of 2007?

The Budget gets written by the executive branch.

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   12:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Badeye, go65 (#21)

You know damn well what I'm talking about.

You claimed that Obama voted againist examining their books. When was the vote taken?

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   12:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#3)

( LM) Better a law professor than a quitter.

Obama as a constitutional scholar is laughable.

I mean come on read the constitution and you will see that most everything he does in unconstitutional and illegal.

Not just him either I will add. Pretty much the whole rotten bunch.

They are not necessarily one and the same. Technically every teacher above a certain rank in a law school can be construed to be law professor.

The pubbies could have actually had a constitutional candidate and they chose to essentially blackball him. I wonder why that was?

mininggold  posted on  2010-02-11   13:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold (#24)

The pubbies could have actually had a constitutional candidate and they chose to essentially blackball him. I wonder why that was?

Who might that have been?

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   13:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Badeye (#25) (Edited)

Who might that have been?

Oh I don't know, the one excluded from most of the debates and who O'Reilly said they would not discuss on his show or Fox in general and after that date his name was never mentioned there. The candidate who was the least favorite of the lobbyist lobby.

mininggold  posted on  2010-02-11   13:09:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: war (#22)

The Budget gets written by the executive branch.

The executive branch proposes a budget, Congress tosses it into the trash and writes their own.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-02-11   13:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Badeye, miningold (#25)

Who might that have been?

Ron Paul.

The problem the GOP has with Paul is that he isn't one of them. The GOP argument these days is talk about smaller government but block cuts, while arguing for bombing Iran.

Paul actually thinks for himself, so they don't want him.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-02-11   13:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: go65 (#27) (Edited)

True that...but the Executive is required by law to first outline then detail its spending plans. And I would also state that the Congress from 1/07 to this date has not spent one penny more than the executive would approve.

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   13:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: go65 (#27)

100% correct. And as we know, the Democrats have controlled Congress since January of 2007.

You want to blame somebody for the past three years of growing deficits, the name is PELOSI.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   13:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Badeye (#20)

And who's been controlling the FEDERAL BUDGET SINCE January of 2007?

Congress and the President, the same as it's always been since the days of George Washington.

I don't know why you don't know this.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-02-11   13:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: go65 (#28)

Yes, your side would simply love to run against Ron Paul....(laughing)

You'll never get that opportunity, for the obvious reason.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   13:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: go65 (#31)

I don't know why you don't know this.

Read your tagline until it sinks in (laughing)

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   13:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Badeye (#30)

100% correct. And as we know, the Democrats have controlled Congress since January of 2007.

And yet Bush didn't cast his first veto until March 2008 (vetoing a bill to fund intelligence services).

That you keep playing this silly game despite the fact that it was the GOP that enacted the biggest expansion of medicare since the days of LBJ tells me that you are either disconnected from reality, or just trying to be obtuse.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-02-11   13:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: go65 (#31)

Presidents don't 'control the budget' and you KNOW that.

Bush could have veto'd, hell I wanted him to veto budgets when the GOP was in control prior to January of 2007, as you know.

And the House would have overridden that veto in 2007 as you also know.

This is a Democrat controlled Federal Government. And its dramatically increased the Federal Deficit since it took control in January of 2007.

You can't dispute it. You can only try to obscure it. So far, its not working.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   13:49:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: go65 (#34)

Now you look ridiculous. You KNOW I was against the spending that took place post 2004. You know I wasn't happy with Bush in his second term. You know I voted AGAINST the GOP in 2006, with the exception of Blackwell for Ohio's Governorship.

You know all of this, so just stop.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   13:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: go65 (#28)

Ron Paul.

The problem the GOP has with Paul is that he isn't one of them. The GOP argument these days is talk about smaller government but block cuts, while arguing for bombing Iran.

Paul actually thinks for himself, so they don't want him.

The only real maverick in the bunch and the 2 but really 1 party owned media would not touch him with a ten foot pole. And then they tried to sell Palin as the maverick. Too funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

mininggold  posted on  2010-02-11   14:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: go65 (#34)

vetoing a bill to fund intelligence services

The dollar amount isn;t why he veto'd it tho now is it?

I've met quite a few Red's players, and Bengals players over the past thirty years or so, but thats the closets I come to being around pro athletes.

Badeye [being Freudian] posted on 2007-03-29 16:32:21 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-11   14:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: mininggold (#37)

If he's so wonderful, why is it he can't rise about his House district?

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-11   14:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: war (#38)

The dollar amount isn;t why he veto'd it tho now is it?

You missed the point (as usual). You keep carping about how the "Democrats controlled the budget starting in 2007" while ignoring the fact that nothing gets enacted without the President's signature.

You are simply being dishonest.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-02-11   14:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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