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Title: What Makes This Song Great? (Boston, 'More Than A Feeling') -- Rick Beato
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynF ... L6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=4&t=0s
Published: Jul 11, 2019
Author: Rick Beato
Post Date: 2020-04-04 13:17:03 by Liberator
Keywords: Music, Rock, Boston
Views: 28118
Comments: 109
Poster Comment: Rick Beato's intricate breakdowns of songs, music, and techniques is pretty cool. Boston's first album (1976) in my opinion is a Top 10 of all time. Still nothing sounds like it, never has since. Boston was its own genre. Summer of '77. Second album (1978) was good as well. I remember the anticipation of this second Boston album, buying it immediately. That was pretty much the end of Boston (aside from the single, Amanda), on their third album ten years later in 1986.
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#42. To: Pinguinite (#32)
Read the same. Ain't that something? Could be why once Scholtz made it with that smash first effort, he got a bit greedy. The "Band" afterall (aside from Brad Delp) was only image and for live shows on the road. Good observation about that back side and what was basically a PR notation.
https://www.ozzyasylum.com/biography.php With the release of their first album, the band’s audience began to grow rapidly. Terrence became known as Geezer while the rest of the band became known for their ‘dark’ music. One night, Ozzy and the band were approached by a self-proclaimed witch and were asked to play at a satanic ceremony. The band declined the offer. Feeling deprived at this, the witch cast a spell on the band. Being paranoid, Ozzy asked his dad to make aluminum crosses for each member of the band to wear as protection. Bill Ward said that he is the only member who still has the original cross. The cross Ozzy wears now is made of 14 carat gold.
Stone, do you know what a "Black Sabbath" means? These guys can't cover up this mess with "This is the troof, those "satanist" stories are lies and just crazy BS!" stories. And most certainly, neither can Ozzy hide the truth. Dude, the guy is a satanist and occultist, into magic and spell. Look at the symbols and upside down crosses; The Baphomet horns. He loved Satanist Alistair Crowley so much, he devoted an entire song to him. To be so in denial and delusional about the truth is insane.
Frankly you're a pretentious prick. I always liked you but thought you were kind of slow. Now you're just a judgmental prick who isn't to bright. Flattard.
We Sold Our Soul for Rock 'n' Roll is a best-of compilation by the English heavy metal band Black Sabbath. The name of Black Sabbath's Best-Of compilation could have been anything, but they chose THAT?? Come on, man.
No, one thing I've noticed about myself is that my opinion of a particular song never changes. Songs I liked and disliked as a teen I still like and dislike today. I like to think it speaks well about my musical maturity as a teen. I'm a big fan now of epic music which didn't exist back then, except perhaps as a foreshadowing in the music of Mason William's "Classical Gas", or Ennio Morricone's famous tune from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. If you want a real ride, check this out. Two Steps from Hell. I've mentioned Thomas Bergerson to you before. Here's "Victory". Just know that if it's the first time you've heard it and you don't have your stereo totally cranked, it's a crime against humanity. Just so you know.
Can't talk about GB&U music without this brilliant piece as well by Ennio Morricone: "Ecstasy of Gold":
So, basically not any different than any other rock band? ...lead singer commit suicide in March 2007... So? How is that the band's fault?
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Not even close.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I always liked that song.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. ...lead singer commit suicide in March 2007... So? How is that the band's fault? I just used the same source liberator used to condemn Oozy. Showing him to be a hypocrite.
So...that source is wrong about Ozzy but right about Boston? I don't think Liberator is the hypocrite here.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Well you're dumb than.
Well you're dumb than. Stone, you really need to stop antagonizing allies like Liberator and me. Just let it go - pretty much every rock band is un-Christian when you actually look. Let's not go to a holy war over this.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Just let it go - pretty much every rock band is un-Christian when you actually look. Let's not go to a holy war over this. I posted my opinion about Boston. I like them I don't love them. Liberators source is what I posted later. Liberator isn't my ally. He is a kook who thinks the earth is flat. He isn't my enemy either.
So what? I'm a kook for not believing the official 9/11 story and believing Oswald didn't act alone. I think David Icke is correct on a number of things. You're a "kook" too. As far as the flat earth theory - again, so what? Who cares?
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I'd bet that extreme perfectionists wouldn't have the patience to put up with real, human band members.
See? Your ear IS changing! (Or maybe how you process music. It's happened to me as well. Normal stuff. The 'Victory' epic music is strongly reminiscent of 'The Good, Bad and Ugly'. Love that stuff. Just know that if it's the first time you've heard it and you don't have your stereo totally cranked, it's a crime against humanity. Just so you know. HA! yeah, I kinda cranked it :-)
Speaking of "epic," your rebuttals on this thread have been just that. Especially when wedded to Ping's 'Victory' epic score. Bravo!
Glen Campbell... Man, one of THE best guitarists ever. (really nice rendition of Classical Gas, featuring Glen)
Love 'Ecstasy of Gold'. It's another Ennio Morricone epic masterpiece. (I actually made own epic home video, had my father and brother wear cowboy hats, and used this particular score for it about 30 years ago.) Miklos Rozsa is another of the epic flim score composers. He composed quite a few of the Bible Movie epics and scores of the 1950s and early 1960s (Ben-Hur, King of Kings, El Cid, Quo Vadis) Here is the London Symphony Orchestra doing an awesome rendition of Rozsa's Ben-Hur:
As did Jimmy Page, LedZep guitarist extraordinaire and the keystone to my favorite band of all time. Love the talent, not the bizarre anti-religion personal journeys...MUD
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Nice call on REAL Christian rock music. Of course, 'Turn Turn Turn' uses Ecclesiastes for its lyrics Id always associated 'Jesus Is Just Alright' with the Doobie Bros version. Just a few others: 'Get Together' (The Youngbloods) 'Spirit in the Sky' (Norman Greenbaum) 'Put Your Hand In The Hand' (Ocean) Hard to find live version:
Above is the late Dan Peek's ('America') Christian version of 'Lonely People'. He quit America over his beliefs. Read Dan Peek's book/bio. Inspirational account and story of his faith.
The inimitable Glenn Yarbrough...had to look it up on YouTube, but got to watch/listen to the 2:19 song. Purty cool...might haveta FReep it...lol. Next on tap, though, is to complete my long unfinished "Lib-uh-rulls!! " to be sung to Frank Zappa's "Valley Girls"...my daughter JessieLee, can do that Valley zGirl voice SPOT ON!! Regads, Mr. Yeltsin, and BSOT**!! **Be Safe Out There Regards...MUD
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Nawww, I was saying that was my FIRST favorite song...but you are correct that my faves are ever-changing.
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
As did Jimmy Page, LedZep guitarist extraordinaire and the keystone to my favorite band of all time. Love the talent, not the bizarre anti-religion personal journeys... You're absolutely spot on, Mud. Page even bought Alistair Crowley's castle/house in England as his own. Yup, Page and Zep were/are also Satanists. Jimmy Page has even described his creation process and inspiration as being a shared process. (read into the "fine print") Talented, yes. On loan from WHOM? ;-) I can still enjoy some of Zep's work but not all of it for obvious reasons. Many talented bands unfortunately have declared allegiance to their "god"; (and it ain't OURS.) Like...The Beatles....Stones...yes, quite a few sing homages to the Devil himself (Stones, Van Halen, AC/DC, etal etal...)
Makes perfect sense. Probably annoyed Scholtz to no end. And...maybe even himself.
Fwiw.. Faves have spanned from Stairway to Heaven and Freebird to the ChiliPeppers Under the Bridge snd Dylans Masters of War and Demolition Row.. And dont forget Dire straits Telegraph Road...need a new thread for this topic...lol.
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
I think said allegiance is as much mktg as anything. Same way rappers think they need to be Gangstah...
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
There seem to be degrees and delineations. Some are hard core, others more subtle. Some bands make it a point or matter of branding to advance and promote demonic/satanist symbolism, messaging, and programming. And...some of the branding and symbolism combined with the music and lyrics serve as mental imprinting devices at a subconscious level. It is actually insidious. "Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll." Teens begin relating to the whole package. Is some of the music good? Of course. That's what makes it so effective at subversion.
Yeah, we're all over the place aren't we? Your taste in music probably is very similar and over-lapping to many here. Mud, I've owned almost every Zep album fwiw. Like Dire Straits. Have 'Second Helping' (Skynyrd).
Mood thang.
Rush. I know a lotta people like/love 'em... Never could get into the vocals. Or melodies. Or them. That's just me.
No, not me. It's the music has come of age. I said "now" because epic music as a genre didn't exist before 5-6 years ago. It might be something that is largely enabled by the digital age as it allows a single artist to not just compose it but to create it as well. It does resemble classical music which of course goes back centuries, and which I'm no real fan of, but which works for me much better. Maybe because percussion can be emphasized much better in a digital. But I don't know. Kinda?? You blew it, dude. hehe.
You're full of shit. Some things you said on your comment are true. Others are outright lies. Made up bullshit. Dupe.
It might be something that is largely enabled by the digital age as it allows a single artist to not just compose it but to create it as well. I believe you! I believe you! If it's your own contention that you "know" your own ear is incapable of redefining or parsing past music so that your regard of it remains static (say from age 12 vs age 62), then who am I to say otherwise? THAT said, I believe you're likely in the vast minority. I've liked/disliked many a tune/style relative to my kiddie ear to middle age ear to...age 60+ ear. (I'd be curious about forum opinion consensus on the matter at either LF or 4um.) With respect to the fairly new creation of the contemporary "EPIC" genre of music, true, that music has really come to age, hasn't it? Yes, it has enabled a guys like me and you to compose it, given we now have access to the digital equivalent of entire epic orchestration. Remember Yanni? And Enya from the 1990s? She did it. Single composers can now pad glorious "epic" music with layer upon layer of different percussion and echo for maximum impact to their heart's desire :-) (Coincidentally, my son just yesterday was showing me how he'd just bought hundreds of additional digital instrumentation and sounds -- many otherworldly.) Maybe this neo-Epic bender is about mirroring the emotion and "epic" times we're now living in. (Past "Epic" did exist in the form of the olde masters, Bach (Messiah, Mussorgsky ('Great Gate of Kiev'), Tchaikovsky (1812 Overture w/cannons); Even the newer-older Masters, like Morricone, Rozsa, John Williams, and score from 2001 Space Odyssey (orig composer, Richard Strauss end of the 19th century). This latest new "Epic" music -- maybe best reflects...the "epic-ness" of planet earth as it can now be seen from drones and planes; Or as portrayed in Hollywood's new favorite genre: Epic Superheroes, epic inter-planetory, mega-universe super-powers, and Epic other-worldly alternative "realities." (In other words, flamingo guitar, heavy strings, piano, and harp were NOT gonna do.) It does resemble classical music which of course goes back centuries, and which I'm no real fan of, but which works for me much better. Maybe because percussion can be emphasized much better in a digital. But I don't know. I've found olde Classical to be a process of exploration and discovery. Some of it is so epic (But not in the context of contempo "epic" that you know and love.) I think your observation and sense is spot on regarding the biggest difference or feature of the neo-Epics: Heavy duty, echoed, layered percussion. When paired with a videotaped fight to the death between two gnats, that kind of soundtrack could make even IT seem like an epic duel. And then there was Yanni composing this epic:
Kinda?? You blew it, dude. hehe. My tinnitus and blown eardrums makes it tough to get there :-) Can't go there any more :-(
CHALLENGE: On whatever YOU say is "bullshit" OR "made up." Put up or shut up.
Bearing false witness is a sin. Kook.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI read somewhere the conundrum he was in, having made great rock music songs in his basement but with no ability to put on a concert and no real bandmates. In that light, the backside description on the LP cover on that debut album is an interesting spin, so to speak, as it's a pitch to ignore the band history and "listen to the album".
#43. To: Liberator (#34)
#44. To: A K A Stone (#40)
#45. To: Liberator (#44)
#46. To: A K A Stone (#45)
#47. To: Liberator (#41)
I can't tell you how many songs I've taken a different listen to and appreciate far more now then then. (Not to mention the volume of good songs and music that fell between the cracks, never even heard. Wasn't it almost impossible to hear everything back in the late 60s, 70s-80s?)
#48. To: All (#47)
#49. To: A K A Stone (#27)
Boston: promotes fornication, wild immoral parties, drug abuse, indifference, smoking pot,
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#50. To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#37)
Believe what you want. Ignore what you want. You have free will.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#51. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#40)
Butler also talked about his thought process behind writing the lyrics to the SABBATH song "After Forever", which some historians have called the first real Christian rock song.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#52. To: Pinguinite, Liberator (#47)
I'm a big fan now of epic music which didn't exist back then, except perhaps as a foreshadowing in the music of Mason William's "Classical Gas",
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#53. To: Deckard (#49)
Boston: promotes fornication, wild immoral parties, drug abuse, indifference, smoking pot, So, basically not any different than any other rock band?
#54. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#53)
I just used the same source liberator used to condemn Oozy. Showing him to be a hypocrite.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#55. To: Deckard (#54)
I don't think Liberator is the hypocrite here.
#56. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#55)
I don't think Liberator is the hypocrite here.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#57. To: Deckard (#56)
Stone, you really need to stop antagonizing allies like Liberator and me.
#58. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#57)
Liberator isn't my ally. He is a kook who thinks the earth is flat.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#59. To: Liberator (#42)
Could be why once Scholtz made it with that smash first effort, he got a bit greedy. The "Band" afterall (aside from Brad Delp) was only image and for live shows on the road.
#60. To: Pinguinite (#47)
I'm a big fan now of epic music which didn't exist back then, except perhaps as a foreshadowing in the music of Mason William's "Classical Gas", or Ennio Morricone's famous tune from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
#61. To: Deckard (#49)
#62. To: Deckard, Pinguinite (#52)
#63. To: Pinguinite (#48)
#64. To: Liberator (#44)
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"He loved Satanist Alistair Crowley...
#65. To: Deckard, ALL (#51)
#66. To: All, Deckard, Stoner, Watchman, A K A Stone (#65)
#67. To: BorisY (#29)
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#68. To: Liberator (#19)
#69. To: Mudboy Slim (#64)
("He loved Satanist Alistair Crowley...)
#70. To: Pinguinite (#59)
I'd bet that extreme perfectionists wouldn't have the patience to put up with real, human band members.
#71. To: Liberator (#19)
#72. To: Liberator (#69)
#73. To: Deckard (#56)
Pretty much every rock band is un-Christian when you actually look.
#74. To: Mudboy Slim (#71)
#75. To: Mudboy Slim (#68)
...you are correct that my faves are ever-changing.
#76. To: Deckard (#50)
#77. To: Liberator (#60)
See? Your ear IS changing! (Or maybe how you process music. It's happened to me as well. Normal stuff.
HA! yeah, I kinda cranked it :-)
#78. To: Liberator (#69)
#79. To: Pinguinite, Deckard (#77)
It's the music has come of age. I said "now" because epic music as a genre didn't exist before 5-6 years ago.
#80. To: Pinguinite (#77)
(HA! yeah, I kinda cranked it :-)
#81. To: A K A Stone (#78)
You're full of shit. Some things you said on your comment are true. Others are outright lies. Made up bullshit.
#82. To: Liberator (#69)
Many talented bands unfortunately have declared allegiance to their "god"; (and it ain't OURS.) Like...The Beatles....Stones...yes, quite a few sing homages to the Devil himself (Stones, Van Halen, AC/DC, etal etal...)
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