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Title: What Makes This Song Great? (Boston, 'More Than A Feeling') -- Rick Beato
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynF ... L6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=4&t=0s
Published: Jul 11, 2019
Author: Rick Beato
Post Date: 2020-04-04 13:17:03 by Liberator
Keywords: Music, Rock, Boston
Views: 24991
Comments: 109
Poster Comment: Rick Beato's intricate breakdowns of songs, music, and techniques is pretty cool. Boston's first album (1976) in my opinion is a Top 10 of all time. Still nothing sounds like it, never has since. Boston was its own genre. Summer of '77. Second album (1978) was good as well. I remember the anticipation of this second Boston album, buying it immediately. That was pretty much the end of Boston (aside from the single, Amanda), on their third album ten years later in 1986.
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#31. To: Liberator (#20)
I'll have to listen to them again, now knowing a bit more of the background of MTAF. My feelings on them certainly won't change but I could better quantify my impression.
I read somewhere the conundrum he was in, having made great rock music songs in his basement but with no ability to put on a concert and no real bandmates. In that light, the backside description on the LP cover on that debut album is an interesting spin, so to speak, as it's a pitch to ignore the band history and "listen to the album".
Boston: promotes fornication, wild immoral parties, drug abuse, indifference, smoking pot, lead singer commit suicide in March 2007 (left a suicide note saying, "I am a lonely soul") I'm glad you paid attention and looked the site over and found some truth. However IF we are going to measure the relative "shame" between Boston's rock lyrics and Ozzy's, Boston's lyrics do not promote a blatant brand of evil and depression, the worship of Satan, or promoting suicide like Black Sabbath (Ozzy was sued FOR causing actual suicides, wasn't he?) If you want to compare and parse the actual music, everyone identifies most of Ozzy's musical compositions and themes as darkening the soul and purposely casting demonic palls upon the spirit. He's a creepy magician casting spells over teens. Boston's music? Not so much. In fact, not at all. Their music, chords and melodies are upbeat and harmonious. It mostly celebrates the spirit and life.
So...does it bother you that Ozzy and Black Sabbath (by their very band name) routinely mock the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ in their music, by appearance? They don't even hide it.
You are making stuff up. You ask so here are some Ozzy Black Sabbath lyrics. "After Forever" Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved? Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave Is God just a thought within your head or is he a part of you? Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school? When you think about death do you lose your breath or do you keep your cool? Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope - do you think he's a fool? Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light and I've changed my ways And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared at the end of our days Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say If they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to love Is your mind so small that you have to fall In with the pack wherever they run Will you still sneer when death is near And say they may as well worship the sun? I think it was true it was people like you that crucified Christ I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe? You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone Open your eyes, just realize that he's the one The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it's too late.
Sentimental, eh Boris? I don't recall that song but remember the song title. Is it from a movie?
Believe what you want. Ignore what you want. You have free will.
You mean this founder of Black Sabbath Tony Iommi. You're an idiot.
I don't believe people who don't know what they are talking about. That would be you. And you didn't show me that Jesus is Saviour site. I knew about that for over a decade. I recall something about a splinter and an eye.
Who is the one ignoring. You are. Here is another founding member. In a brand new interview with The Weeklings, BLACK SABBATH bassist Geezer Butler was asked if he got any backlash over SABBATH singing a message of repentance and God being the only way to love on the "Master Of Reality" album. "No," he responded. "People always like to find the 'evil' in the music, so they'd quote the 'pope on a rope' part out of context, as usual. People like to find negative in everything. We weren't interested in writing songs about the 'nice' things in the world; everyone else was writing about that. We wanted to inject some reality into music. I think if we'd been called WHITE SUNDAY we'd have had a totally different reaction. Butler also talked about his thought process behind writing the lyrics to the SABBATH song "After Forever", which some historians have called the first real Christian rock song. "A lot of it was because of the situation in Northern Ireland at the time," he explained. "There were a lot of religious troubles between the Protestants against the Catholics.
Your feelings or ear or impression could certainly change now that your senses are 40 years older. You focus on different things for some reason (maybe its me.) I can't tell you how many songs I've taken a different listen to and appreciate far more now then then. (Not to mention the volume of good songs and music that fell between the cracks, never even heard. Wasn't it almost impossible to hear everything back in the late 60s, 70s-80s?) For 41 years, I'd dismissed Boston's 'Feelin Satisfied' (second album, Side B track)...until I heard a cover band do it and heard the rest of song beyond the first over-used opening riffs. Love it. Took 41 years to appreciate it.
Read the same. Ain't that something? Could be why once Scholtz made it with that smash first effort, he got a bit greedy. The "Band" afterall (aside from Brad Delp) was only image and for live shows on the road. Good observation about that back side and what was basically a PR notation.
https://www.ozzyasylum.com/biography.php With the release of their first album, the band’s audience began to grow rapidly. Terrence became known as Geezer while the rest of the band became known for their ‘dark’ music. One night, Ozzy and the band were approached by a self-proclaimed witch and were asked to play at a satanic ceremony. The band declined the offer. Feeling deprived at this, the witch cast a spell on the band. Being paranoid, Ozzy asked his dad to make aluminum crosses for each member of the band to wear as protection. Bill Ward said that he is the only member who still has the original cross. The cross Ozzy wears now is made of 14 carat gold.
Stone, do you know what a "Black Sabbath" means? These guys can't cover up this mess with "This is the troof, those "satanist" stories are lies and just crazy BS!" stories. And most certainly, neither can Ozzy hide the truth. Dude, the guy is a satanist and occultist, into magic and spell. Look at the symbols and upside down crosses; The Baphomet horns. He loved Satanist Alistair Crowley so much, he devoted an entire song to him. To be so in denial and delusional about the truth is insane.
Frankly you're a pretentious prick. I always liked you but thought you were kind of slow. Now you're just a judgmental prick who isn't to bright. Flattard.
We Sold Our Soul for Rock 'n' Roll is a best-of compilation by the English heavy metal band Black Sabbath. The name of Black Sabbath's Best-Of compilation could have been anything, but they chose THAT?? Come on, man.
No, one thing I've noticed about myself is that my opinion of a particular song never changes. Songs I liked and disliked as a teen I still like and dislike today. I like to think it speaks well about my musical maturity as a teen. I'm a big fan now of epic music which didn't exist back then, except perhaps as a foreshadowing in the music of Mason William's "Classical Gas", or Ennio Morricone's famous tune from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. If you want a real ride, check this out. Two Steps from Hell. I've mentioned Thomas Bergerson to you before. Here's "Victory". Just know that if it's the first time you've heard it and you don't have your stereo totally cranked, it's a crime against humanity. Just so you know.
Can't talk about GB&U music without this brilliant piece as well by Ennio Morricone: "Ecstasy of Gold":
So, basically not any different than any other rock band? ...lead singer commit suicide in March 2007... So? How is that the band's fault?
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Not even close.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I always liked that song.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. ...lead singer commit suicide in March 2007... So? How is that the band's fault? I just used the same source liberator used to condemn Oozy. Showing him to be a hypocrite.
So...that source is wrong about Ozzy but right about Boston? I don't think Liberator is the hypocrite here.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Well you're dumb than.
Well you're dumb than. Stone, you really need to stop antagonizing allies like Liberator and me. Just let it go - pretty much every rock band is un-Christian when you actually look. Let's not go to a holy war over this.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Just let it go - pretty much every rock band is un-Christian when you actually look. Let's not go to a holy war over this. I posted my opinion about Boston. I like them I don't love them. Liberators source is what I posted later. Liberator isn't my ally. He is a kook who thinks the earth is flat. He isn't my enemy either.
So what? I'm a kook for not believing the official 9/11 story and believing Oswald didn't act alone. I think David Icke is correct on a number of things. You're a "kook" too. As far as the flat earth theory - again, so what? Who cares?
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I'd bet that extreme perfectionists wouldn't have the patience to put up with real, human band members.
See? Your ear IS changing! (Or maybe how you process music. It's happened to me as well. Normal stuff. The 'Victory' epic music is strongly reminiscent of 'The Good, Bad and Ugly'. Love that stuff. Just know that if it's the first time you've heard it and you don't have your stereo totally cranked, it's a crime against humanity. Just so you know. HA! yeah, I kinda cranked it :-)
Speaking of "epic," your rebuttals on this thread have been just that. Especially when wedded to Ping's 'Victory' epic score. Bravo!
Glen Campbell... Man, one of THE best guitarists ever. (really nice rendition of Classical Gas, featuring Glen)
Love 'Ecstasy of Gold'. It's another Ennio Morricone epic masterpiece. (I actually made own epic home video, had my father and brother wear cowboy hats, and used this particular score for it about 30 years ago.) Miklos Rozsa is another of the epic flim score composers. He composed quite a few of the Bible Movie epics and scores of the 1950s and early 1960s (Ben-Hur, King of Kings, El Cid, Quo Vadis) Here is the London Symphony Orchestra doing an awesome rendition of Rozsa's Ben-Hur:
As did Jimmy Page, LedZep guitarist extraordinaire and the keystone to my favorite band of all time. Love the talent, not the bizarre anti-religion personal journeys...MUD
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Nice call on REAL Christian rock music. Of course, 'Turn Turn Turn' uses Ecclesiastes for its lyrics Id always associated 'Jesus Is Just Alright' with the Doobie Bros version. Just a few others: 'Get Together' (The Youngbloods) 'Spirit in the Sky' (Norman Greenbaum) 'Put Your Hand In The Hand' (Ocean) Hard to find live version:
Above is the late Dan Peek's ('America') Christian version of 'Lonely People'. He quit America over his beliefs. Read Dan Peek's book/bio. Inspirational account and story of his faith.
The inimitable Glenn Yarbrough...had to look it up on YouTube, but got to watch/listen to the 2:19 song. Purty cool...might haveta FReep it...lol. Next on tap, though, is to complete my long unfinished "Lib-uh-rulls!! " to be sung to Frank Zappa's "Valley Girls"...my daughter JessieLee, can do that Valley zGirl voice SPOT ON!! Regads, Mr. Yeltsin, and BSOT**!! **Be Safe Out There Regards...MUD
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Nawww, I was saying that was my FIRST favorite song...but you are correct that my faves are ever-changing.
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
As did Jimmy Page, LedZep guitarist extraordinaire and the keystone to my favorite band of all time. Love the talent, not the bizarre anti-religion personal journeys... You're absolutely spot on, Mud. Page even bought Alistair Crowley's castle/house in England as his own. Yup, Page and Zep were/are also Satanists. Jimmy Page has even described his creation process and inspiration as being a shared process. (read into the "fine print") Talented, yes. On loan from WHOM? ;-) I can still enjoy some of Zep's work but not all of it for obvious reasons. Many talented bands unfortunately have declared allegiance to their "god"; (and it ain't OURS.) Like...The Beatles....Stones...yes, quite a few sing homages to the Devil himself (Stones, Van Halen, AC/DC, etal etal...)
Makes perfect sense. Probably annoyed Scholtz to no end. And...maybe even himself.
Fwiw.. Faves have spanned from Stairway to Heaven and Freebird to the ChiliPeppers Under the Bridge snd Dylans Masters of War and Demolition Row.. And dont forget Dire straits Telegraph Road...need a new thread for this topic...lol.
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestNow if you're also referring to Side B of the 'Don't Look Back' album, I absolutely agree! So you noticed as well? (Only 'Feeling Satisfied' met the standard of excellence as heard on Side A, and the debut album material.)
#32. To: Liberator (#21)
Apparently Scholtz didn't even need a band -- he covered the bass on that debut album, guitars, and even keyboards. He was maybe the first to be a "virtual" band thank to his MIT skills.
#33. To: A K A Stone, Deckard (#27)
Seems Boston is in "Jesus is Saviour's" Hall of Shame. Right from your own site you referenc.
#34. To: A K A Stone (#27)
#35. To: Liberator (#33)
between Boston's rock lyrics and Ozzy's, Boston's lyrics do not promote a blatant brand of evil and depression, the worship of Satan, or promoting suicide like Black Sabbath (Ozzy was sued FOR causing actual suicides, wasn't he?)
#36. To: BorisY (#29)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#35)
#38. To: Liberator (#34)
So...does it bother you that Ozzy and Black Sabbath (by their very band name) routinely mock the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ in their music, by appearance? They don't even hide it.
#39. To: Liberator (#37)
Believe what you want. Ignore what you want. You have free will.
#40. To: Liberator (#37)
Believe what you want. Ignore what you want. You have free will.
#41. To: Pinguinite (#31)
I'll have to listen to them again, now knowing a bit more of the background of MTAF. My feelings on them certainly won't change but I could better quantify my impression.
#42. To: Pinguinite (#32)
I read somewhere the conundrum he was in, having made great rock music songs in his basement but with no ability to put on a concert and no real bandmates. In that light, the backside description on the LP cover on that debut album is an interesting spin, so to speak, as it's a pitch to ignore the band history and "listen to the album".
#43. To: Liberator (#34)
#44. To: A K A Stone (#40)
#45. To: Liberator (#44)
#46. To: A K A Stone (#45)
#47. To: Liberator (#41)
I can't tell you how many songs I've taken a different listen to and appreciate far more now then then. (Not to mention the volume of good songs and music that fell between the cracks, never even heard. Wasn't it almost impossible to hear everything back in the late 60s, 70s-80s?)
#48. To: All (#47)
#49. To: A K A Stone (#27)
Boston: promotes fornication, wild immoral parties, drug abuse, indifference, smoking pot,
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#50. To: Liberator, A K A Stone (#37)
Believe what you want. Ignore what you want. You have free will.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#51. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#40)
Butler also talked about his thought process behind writing the lyrics to the SABBATH song "After Forever", which some historians have called the first real Christian rock song.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#52. To: Pinguinite, Liberator (#47)
I'm a big fan now of epic music which didn't exist back then, except perhaps as a foreshadowing in the music of Mason William's "Classical Gas",
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#53. To: Deckard (#49)
Boston: promotes fornication, wild immoral parties, drug abuse, indifference, smoking pot, So, basically not any different than any other rock band?
#54. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#53)
I just used the same source liberator used to condemn Oozy. Showing him to be a hypocrite.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#55. To: Deckard (#54)
I don't think Liberator is the hypocrite here.
#56. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#55)
I don't think Liberator is the hypocrite here.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#57. To: Deckard (#56)
Stone, you really need to stop antagonizing allies like Liberator and me.
#58. To: A K A Stone, Liberator (#57)
Liberator isn't my ally. He is a kook who thinks the earth is flat.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#59. To: Liberator (#42)
Could be why once Scholtz made it with that smash first effort, he got a bit greedy. The "Band" afterall (aside from Brad Delp) was only image and for live shows on the road.
#60. To: Pinguinite (#47)
I'm a big fan now of epic music which didn't exist back then, except perhaps as a foreshadowing in the music of Mason William's "Classical Gas", or Ennio Morricone's famous tune from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
#61. To: Deckard (#49)
#62. To: Deckard, Pinguinite (#52)
#63. To: Pinguinite (#48)
#64. To: Liberator (#44)
(Edited)
"He loved Satanist Alistair Crowley...
#65. To: Deckard, ALL (#51)
#66. To: All, Deckard, Stoner, Watchman, A K A Stone (#65)
#67. To: BorisY (#29)
(Edited)
#68. To: Liberator (#19)
#69. To: Mudboy Slim (#64)
("He loved Satanist Alistair Crowley...)
#70. To: Pinguinite (#59)
I'd bet that extreme perfectionists wouldn't have the patience to put up with real, human band members.
#71. To: Liberator (#19)
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