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Title: What Makes This Song Great? (Boston, 'More Than A Feeling') -- Rick Beato
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynF ... L6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=4&t=0s
Published: Jul 11, 2019
Author: Rick Beato
Post Date: 2020-04-04 13:17:03 by Liberator
Keywords: Music, Rock, Boston
Views: 25084
Comments: 109
Poster Comment: Rick Beato's intricate breakdowns of songs, music, and techniques is pretty cool. Boston's first album (1976) in my opinion is a Top 10 of all time. Still nothing sounds like it, never has since. Boston was its own genre. Summer of '77. Second album (1978) was good as well. I remember the anticipation of this second Boston album, buying it immediately. That was pretty much the end of Boston (aside from the single, Amanda), on their third album ten years later in 1986.
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#69. To: Mudboy Slim (#64)
As did Jimmy Page, LedZep guitarist extraordinaire and the keystone to my favorite band of all time. Love the talent, not the bizarre anti-religion personal journeys... You're absolutely spot on, Mud. Page even bought Alistair Crowley's castle/house in England as his own. Yup, Page and Zep were/are also Satanists. Jimmy Page has even described his creation process and inspiration as being a shared process. (read into the "fine print") Talented, yes. On loan from WHOM? ;-) I can still enjoy some of Zep's work but not all of it for obvious reasons. Many talented bands unfortunately have declared allegiance to their "god"; (and it ain't OURS.) Like...The Beatles....Stones...yes, quite a few sing homages to the Devil himself (Stones, Van Halen, AC/DC, etal etal...)
Makes perfect sense. Probably annoyed Scholtz to no end. And...maybe even himself.
Fwiw.. Faves have spanned from Stairway to Heaven and Freebird to the ChiliPeppers Under the Bridge snd Dylans Masters of War and Demolition Row.. And dont forget Dire straits Telegraph Road...need a new thread for this topic...lol.
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
I think said allegiance is as much mktg as anything. Same way rappers think they need to be Gangstah...
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
There seem to be degrees and delineations. Some are hard core, others more subtle. Some bands make it a point or matter of branding to advance and promote demonic/satanist symbolism, messaging, and programming. And...some of the branding and symbolism combined with the music and lyrics serve as mental imprinting devices at a subconscious level. It is actually insidious. "Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll." Teens begin relating to the whole package. Is some of the music good? Of course. That's what makes it so effective at subversion.
Yeah, we're all over the place aren't we? Your taste in music probably is very similar and over-lapping to many here. Mud, I've owned almost every Zep album fwiw. Like Dire Straits. Have 'Second Helping' (Skynyrd).
Mood thang.
Rush. I know a lotta people like/love 'em... Never could get into the vocals. Or melodies. Or them. That's just me.
No, not me. It's the music has come of age. I said "now" because epic music as a genre didn't exist before 5-6 years ago. It might be something that is largely enabled by the digital age as it allows a single artist to not just compose it but to create it as well. It does resemble classical music which of course goes back centuries, and which I'm no real fan of, but which works for me much better. Maybe because percussion can be emphasized much better in a digital. But I don't know. Kinda?? You blew it, dude. hehe.
You're full of shit. Some things you said on your comment are true. Others are outright lies. Made up bullshit. Dupe.
It might be something that is largely enabled by the digital age as it allows a single artist to not just compose it but to create it as well. I believe you! I believe you! If it's your own contention that you "know" your own ear is incapable of redefining or parsing past music so that your regard of it remains static (say from age 12 vs age 62), then who am I to say otherwise? THAT said, I believe you're likely in the vast minority. I've liked/disliked many a tune/style relative to my kiddie ear to middle age ear to...age 60+ ear. (I'd be curious about forum opinion consensus on the matter at either LF or 4um.) With respect to the fairly new creation of the contemporary "EPIC" genre of music, true, that music has really come to age, hasn't it? Yes, it has enabled a guys like me and you to compose it, given we now have access to the digital equivalent of entire epic orchestration. Remember Yanni? And Enya from the 1990s? She did it. Single composers can now pad glorious "epic" music with layer upon layer of different percussion and echo for maximum impact to their heart's desire :-) (Coincidentally, my son just yesterday was showing me how he'd just bought hundreds of additional digital instrumentation and sounds -- many otherworldly.) Maybe this neo-Epic bender is about mirroring the emotion and "epic" times we're now living in. (Past "Epic" did exist in the form of the olde masters, Bach (Messiah, Mussorgsky ('Great Gate of Kiev'), Tchaikovsky (1812 Overture w/cannons); Even the newer-older Masters, like Morricone, Rozsa, John Williams, and score from 2001 Space Odyssey (orig composer, Richard Strauss end of the 19th century). This latest new "Epic" music -- maybe best reflects...the "epic-ness" of planet earth as it can now be seen from drones and planes; Or as portrayed in Hollywood's new favorite genre: Epic Superheroes, epic inter-planetory, mega-universe super-powers, and Epic other-worldly alternative "realities." (In other words, flamingo guitar, heavy strings, piano, and harp were NOT gonna do.) It does resemble classical music which of course goes back centuries, and which I'm no real fan of, but which works for me much better. Maybe because percussion can be emphasized much better in a digital. But I don't know. I've found olde Classical to be a process of exploration and discovery. Some of it is so epic (But not in the context of contempo "epic" that you know and love.) I think your observation and sense is spot on regarding the biggest difference or feature of the neo-Epics: Heavy duty, echoed, layered percussion. When paired with a videotaped fight to the death between two gnats, that kind of soundtrack could make even IT seem like an epic duel. And then there was Yanni composing this epic:
Kinda?? You blew it, dude. hehe. My tinnitus and blown eardrums makes it tough to get there :-) Can't go there any more :-(
CHALLENGE: On whatever YOU say is "bullshit" OR "made up." Put up or shut up.
Bearing false witness is a sin. Kook.
I recognize that tune from his "Live at the Acropolis" concert.
I wasn't quite sure exactly what you meant by the term - seems so broad, so I listened to some Epic music on YouTube, sounds like film soundtracks to me. Seems sorta trance-inducing. You can hear the classical influences and elements, but it sounds like something no real orchestra could do. Would you say that Epic music takes classical music theory and uses digital techniques to make it more pompous and modern? I don't mean pompous in a bad way - more like majestic or monumental.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Epic music is definitely well suited for movies that might be described with the same term. That description beyond what I could speak to. I just like it. I would, however, say epic music is more sophisticated than probably every other genre of music and therefore can be enjoyed far longer without getting tired of it. There is a streaming program for epic music. The URL changes periodically so it can't be linked too very well, but YT search "Epic music stream" (www.youtube.com/results?s..._query=epic+music+stream) and it's usually in the top results. Make sure you find the one without a time length and labeled "Live Now". It's a live broadcast of epic music, so there are no commercials, gives a good mix and doesn't end. Thomas Bergersen is quite good but there are other artists who've done quite well also.
Yup. (THAT was a great concert.) Yanni's stuff could be kinda epic, no?
I would say so, though at the time Yanni became well known in the mid-90's, "New Age" was the genre his work was placed into, perhaps for lack of a better choice at the time.
Seems sorta trance-inducing. Interesting impression. The neo "Epic" genre Ping enjoys does seem to induce a trance-like state of consciousness, one of elevated or heightened sense of anticipation or even inspiration. Yes...used more and more for film/movie soundtracks, seemingly replacing dialogue. You can hear the classical influences and elements, but it sounds like something no real orchestra could do. Would you say that Epic music takes classical music theory and uses digital techniques to make it more pompous and modern? I don't mean pompous in a bad way - more like majestic or monumental. I get your drift; Good description (majestic or monumental). Absolutely a derivative of Classical. Ping did mention the feature that seems to elevate or define "Epic": Digital percussion. ("Divine" echos as though from Heaven?) Remember Simon and Garfunkle's 'The Boxer'? Remember its own "Epic" percussion part that made the song memorable? ("Lie-lie-lie *BOOOOM!!*) Here is an interesting short explanation on just how they created that "Epic" echoed drum part in the song (Hal Blaine, 'Wrecking Crew'). Very clever and creative:
I guess that category remains: "New Age". I recall even John Tesh's music at about the same time was pegged into the very same category.
Comments on epic vids on YT commonly refer to it being study music or appropriate for writing books and such.
I guess that category remains: "New Age". I recall even John Tesh's music at about the same time was pegged into the very same category. I would consider Yanni's music to be Epic. At least his Acropolis tracks. He's diversified a bit though. One was called "Mexicanisimo" which didn't appeal to me. It's pretty much what the name suggests. John Tesh was good also though not to the quality of Yanni. I bought his Red Rocks CD and frankly had forgotten about him.
IMNSHO,EVERYTHING Skynard did was great,but I think my favorite is still "The Ballad of Curtis Lowe".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Cut them some slack on this. They ARE elderly,and they DO live in Jersey. What we call "paranoid",they call "rational". ESPECIALLY if they live in a city.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'm old and gassy. Does that make me a classic?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Or normal humans in any sort of atmosphere.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Andre Rieu is a very popular conductor that has some great stuff on you tube.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I would consider Yanni's music to be Epic. At least his Acropolis tracks. Yup. At the time that new category of music did include John Tesh (who actually developed quite a following.) That genre was kind of new and sounded different (aided by the proliferation of high tech synth simulating orchestral sound.) I agree -- Tesh was not in Yanni's class. Yanni -- yeah, had to be considered epic. Especially several of his Live at the Acropolis had a number of tracks
Cut them some slack on this. They ARE elderly,and they DO live in Jersey...ESPECIALLY if they live in a city. True. And...given they live in close proximity to NYC/Philly, they are used to being trained like lemmings/hamsters to leap off the cliff as per MSM-goob suggestions/orders. You ought to see the looks I get -- as though *I'M* the nut (I live here in Jersey between the two above Met Areas) What we call "paranoid",they call "rational". Yep. There are two ways to looks at this as I see it; Reality vs. Stockholm Syndrome mentality.
I'm old and gassy. Does that make me a classic? You're not asking for eyewitness/nose-witness corroboration, are you? Because...Travel restriction forbid that now ;-) Let's file your gas (and our gas) under, "Golden Oldies."
Hear ya. Among it, notably, Handel's Messiah with the London Symphony Orchestra.
Yeah,no kidding on that one! I tend to love his "fun" concerts more,though. He is the only classical conductor I have ever seen crack a smile and have fun with it.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
He is the only classical conductor I have ever seen crack a smile and have fun with it. There's a time and room for "fun" and as well as serious pieces. And even then, during serious pieces like during Rieu'/LSO rendition of 'The Messiah,' I'm watching a guy and musicians/chorus smiling and still having a great time. Part of that "fun" vibe is in the spirited delivery of Andre Rieu. I've seen musically technically excellent concerts, but the performance have seem labored and heavy... far more precisely *because* the musicians were having a ball! And that vibe is infectious with the audience as you know. Seems to me that a major attraction of Springsteen concerts is as much about Brucie and his bandmates having a grand old time and sharing it; That same feel-good vibe and rush is felt by the audience.
Bugs-the-Conductor -- I'd stack him up against Andre Rieu here!
True dat! The man clearly loves what he is doing,and isn't the tiniest bit jaded. I am FAR from being an expert on classical music or orchestra conductors,but he is the only one I record when I spot him doing a special on PBS.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Nobody in their right mind screws with Bugs. It would be akin to starting an argument with Groucho Marx.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I am with you on Curtis Loew...gotta lotta buddies who play a lotta instruments, but I never met anyone who could "play an old Dobto accross his knees"...MUD
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Notice BOTH of us ol' rednecks misspelled "Skynyrd"...lol. Gotta be the Joe...MUD
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
NOT gonna worry about it. It's a good day these days when I don't misspell my own damn name.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Hope yer health is going well, Pete...prayers up 4 ya, ol' timer...MUD
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
("He loved Satanist Alistair Crowley...)
#70. To: Pinguinite (#59)
I'd bet that extreme perfectionists wouldn't have the patience to put up with real, human band members.
#71. To: Liberator (#19)
#72. To: Liberator (#69)
#73. To: Deckard (#56)
Pretty much every rock band is un-Christian when you actually look.
#74. To: Mudboy Slim (#71)
#75. To: Mudboy Slim (#68)
...you are correct that my faves are ever-changing.
#76. To: Deckard (#50)
#77. To: Liberator (#60)
See? Your ear IS changing! (Or maybe how you process music. It's happened to me as well. Normal stuff.
HA! yeah, I kinda cranked it :-)
#78. To: Liberator (#69)
#79. To: Pinguinite, Deckard (#77)
It's the music has come of age. I said "now" because epic music as a genre didn't exist before 5-6 years ago.
#80. To: Pinguinite (#77)
(HA! yeah, I kinda cranked it :-)
#81. To: A K A Stone (#78)
You're full of shit. Some things you said on your comment are true. Others are outright lies. Made up bullshit.
#82. To: Liberator (#69)
Many talented bands unfortunately have declared allegiance to their "god"; (and it ain't OURS.) Like...The Beatles....Stones...yes, quite a few sing homages to the Devil himself (Stones, Van Halen, AC/DC, etal etal...)
#83. To: Liberator (#79)
#84. To: Pinguinite, Liberator (#77)
(Edited)
It does resemble classical music which of course goes back centuries, and which I'm no real fan of, but which works for me much better. Maybe because percussion can be emphasized much better in a digital.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#85. To: Deckard (#84)
I wasn't quite sure exactly what you meant by the term - seems so broad, so I listened to some Epic music on YouTube, sounds like film soundtracks to me.
Would you say that Epic music takes classical music theory and uses digital techniques to make it more pompous and modern?
I don't mean pompous in a bad way - more like majestic or monumental.
#86. To: Pinguinite (#83)
I recognize that tune from his "Live at the Acropolis" concert.
#87. To: Liberator (#86)
Yup. (THAT was a great concert.) Yanni's stuff could be kinda epic, no?
#88. To: Deckard, Pinguinite (#84)
I wasn't quite sure exactly what you meant by the term - seems so broad, so I listened to some Epic music on YouTube, sounds like film soundtracks to me.
#89. To: Pinguinite (#87)
At the time Yanni became well known in the mid-90's, "New Age" was the genre his work was placed into, perhaps for lack of a better choice at the time.
#90. To: Liberator (#88)
The neo "Epic" genre Ping enjoys does seem to induce a trance-like state of consciousness, one of elevated or heightened sense of anticipation or even inspiration. Yes...used more and more for film/movie soundtracks, seemingly replacing dialogue.
#91. To: Liberator (#89)
#92. To: Mudboy Slim (#7)
For me it was Lynyrd Skynrd's " What's Your Name?" from about 6th grag de.
#93. To: Liberator (#17)
Many older folks AND WOMEN are paranoid basket cases.
#94. To: Deckard (#52)
Mason William's "Classical Gas",
#95. To: Pinguinite (#59)
I'd bet that extreme perfectionists wouldn't have the patience to put up with real, human band members.
#96. To: Liberator (#63)
#97. To: Pinguinite (#91)
I guess that category remains: "New Age". I recall even John Tesh's music at about the same time was pegged into the very same category.
#98. To: sneakypete (#93)
("Many older folks AND WOMEN are paranoid basket cases.")
#99. To: sneakypete, Deckard (#94)
(Mason William's "Classical Gas")
#100. To: sneakypete (#96)
Andre Rieu is a very popular conductor that has some great stuff on you tube.
#101. To: Liberator (#100)
Among it, notably, Handel's Messiah with the London Symphony Orchestra.
#102. To: sneakypete (#101)
I tend to love his "fun" concerts more,though.
#103. To: sneakypete (#101)
#104. To: Liberator (#102)
Part of that "fun" vibe is in the spirited delivery of Andre Rieu.
#105. To: Liberator (#103)
#106. To: sneakypete (#92)
#107. To: sneakypete (#92)
(Edited)
#108. To: Mudboy Slim (#107)
Notice BOTH of us ol' rednecks misspelled "Skynyrd"...lol. Gotta be the Joe...MUD
#109. To: sneakypete (#108)
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