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Title: What Makes This Song Great? (Boston, 'More Than A Feeling') -- Rick Beato
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynF ... L6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=4&t=0s
Published: Jul 11, 2019
Author: Rick Beato
Post Date: 2020-04-04 13:17:03 by Liberator
Keywords: Music, Rock, Boston
Views: 28073
Comments: 109
Poster Comment: Rick Beato's intricate breakdowns of songs, music, and techniques is pretty cool. Boston's first album (1976) in my opinion is a Top 10 of all time. Still nothing sounds like it, never has since. Boston was its own genre. Summer of '77. Second album (1978) was good as well. I remember the anticipation of this second Boston album, buying it immediately. That was pretty much the end of Boston (aside from the single, Amanda), on their third album ten years later in 1986.
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#1. To: Liberator (#0)
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Good time for music, on the cusp of disco dying out and the punk rock scene exploding. Boston was unique in a lot of ways and their songs were a combination of Power-Pop, hair-band metal and soaring harmonies and were so far ahead of their time, production-wise Scholz was quite a perfectionist, one of the reasons it was so long between albums, or so I've heard. Check out this demo from 1975: Oh, just found this out : Scholz was a top student and a member of the varsity basketball team, he graduated from Ottawa Hills High School in 1965. I grew up in Maumee,(OH), maybe 8 miles from there. I may have seen him play hoops when I was 12.
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Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Cool find. Raw, but still excellent. 'Hitch A Ride' = 'San Francisco Day'? (Rick Beato does a 'What Makes This Song Great?' segment on it as well.) Tom Scholtz' story of that first album is pretty amazing... MIT alum Scholtz demonstrated his genius if only for creating this album (my son even owns his signature guitar "fuzz box.") Studio suits didn't want one of their records produced down someone's basement, putting the kibosh on Scholtz's basement production. By the time they got the final product they assumed it had been studio produced and polished. NOT. (Scholtz controlled the entire production...from his basement STILL.) Scholtz is what -- 6-6 or something like that? BB player body. Coulda been him on the courts you saw; small world when you find out stuff like living near famous/accomplished people around small towns like Maumee, Ohio.
Been meaning to ask - what's the sit-rep at your location? As I recall you are in or near the so called epicenter out east.
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Interesting that you selected this song as I recall back when my son was only 7 or 8 and just learning about music genres and this song came on my truck radio. As we bopped along to the song, he asked if it was a great song and I told him I thought ut was when I first heard it when I was in Junior High so we decided it was "The Greatest Song Ever!" Apologies to "Freebird" "Stairway to Heaven" & "Let It Be". Jake is graduating from Duke University in May--Wuhan Flu allowing--and we still catch each others eye when this song comes on...MUD
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Speaking of that, do you recall the first time you heard a song that you liked so much you considered it your favorite song? For me it was Lynyrd Skynrd's " What's Your Name?" from about 6th grag de.
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Very interesting. This has always been one of my favorites, though I've played it so much I've kind of largely removed it from my usual listening. Side A of Boston's first 2 albums were all great, though the side B music never rose to that standard. I guess from this guy's breakdown of MTAF, it's apparent that the reason might have been for lack of ability to pour the same amount of effort into the side B songs. Sadly, it seems Boston is just an alias for Tom Scholz, and though he's made additional albums beyond the first 2, it seems none of them have been able to continue the success. I've wondered if those other original band-mates deserved more credit for the original successes than they ended up getting in court. I seem to recall Scholz being accused of his perfectionism driving others crazy, and then him filing a lawsuit for defamation over what someone close to Brad said publicly after Brad's death, ascribing some aspect of Scholz's personality to the tragady. That pretty much told me the accusations were true.
How did this guy get the full audio on this sound broken down into separate tracks? Is that something he bought or is it possible for them to be digitally extracted from the publicly available version? The latter would be quite extraordinary, but digital tech has progressed a lot.
Any song that starts with "gunta gleebin glaubin globern" has got to be good:
Oh Misterwhite I had no idea you liked Def Leppard. Here is why those words are in the music. The song begins with a voice that says ""Gunter Glieben Glauten Globen". What does that mean? The answer is it doesn't mean anything. Producer Mutt Lange got tired of counting the band in with "1, 2, 3, 4...," so he started saying this.The boys liked it so they put it in the song. It means so much, it means nothing. Watch them do it in the video. kool1017.com/what-does-gu...auten-globen-mean-in-the- def-leppard-song/
Two others. Love the guitars.
Two great songs. I'm supposed to see Def Leppard in July. With Motley Crue, Poison and Joan Jett. I sure hope it isn't canceled. They put this album out in 2015. I enjoyed it. Wonder if you ever heard of it. They don't get the publicity they used to.
I like Boston. Don't love them but I do like their music. I'm more into harder rock as I'm sure you know.
One more in case you don't want to listen to the whole album.
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Hey Mud... Interesting that you selected this song as I recall back when my son was only 7 or 8 and just learning about music genres and this song came on my truck radio. As we bopped along to the song, he asked if it was a great song and I told him I thought ut was when I first heard it when I was in Junior High so we decided it was "The Greatest Song Ever!" ...We still catch each others eye when this song comes on Nice. That is a great story to share. Especially that it's about you and your son.
Good question. Just ONE "favorite"?? Just thought abut it and can't pin it down to just one. I've had many "favorites" but never had that one ditty. Lynyrd Skynrd's 'What's Your Name?' is IT for you? Good one. But what if you're in a ballad mood? Classic mood? 80s Mood? Oldies mood? I guess what I'm saying is that my "fav" has always depended on my mood over time.
Hear ya on that and agree; 'More Than A Feeling' was great; It made me buy that album. But yes, it WAS played to death so much that I also mentally dismissed it. (I chose this particular Rick Beato breakdown of it and song because I knew many of us liked it at the time.) Side A of Boston's first 2 albums were all great, though the side B music never rose to that standard. I guess from this guy's breakdown of MTAF, it's apparent that the reason might have been for lack of ability to pour the same amount of effort into the side B songs. Interesting take... With respect to Boston's debut album, the only song not written by Scholtz was, 'Let Me Take You Home Tonight'. It was the one song I thought was just average. Otherwise I thought the rest of Side B and all of Side A were shockingly excellent. Now if you're also referring to Side B of the 'Don't Look Back' album, I absolutely agree! So you noticed as well? (Only 'Feeling Satisfied' met the standard of excellence as heard on Side A, and the debut album material.) Even Tom Scholtz thought his Side B of Don't Look Back was weak. According to him the record company rushed him. That would explain why that efforts wasn't as good as the debut album.
I followed that a bit as well... Yup Boston = Scholtz basically, right? Apparently Scholtz didn't even need a band -- he covered the bass on that debut album, guitars, and even keyboards. He was maybe the first to be a "virtual" band thank to his MIT skills. A drummer (NOT the "band" drummer) and Brad Delp's vocals were all he needed for that debut album. LIVE performance was of course a different story. And then again -- back then record companies thought it was weird not to have a "Band". So...to your question about "credit"...the other guitarist who wrote, 'Let Me Take You Home Tonight' deserves some. Other than that? maybe a sliver of credit? I seem to recall Scholz being accused of his perfectionism driving others crazy, and then him filing a lawsuit for defamation over what someone close to Brad said publicly after Brad's death, ascribing some aspect of Scholz's personality to the tragady. That pretty much told me the accusations were true. I'd heard/read some of that as well; That Scholtz bullied Brad a bit. Regarding Brad Delp's suicide, it was said to occurred over guilt of taping his GF's sister without her knowledge...and getting busted. (Who knows?)
Is that something he bought or is it possible for them to be digitally extracted from the publicly available version? The latter would be quite extraordinary, but digital tech has progressed a lot. Yeah, the way or manner Beato was able to extract and isolated tracks was amazing. He does that on all his song/parts breakdowns. My son had at one time access to a site where hundreds of songs had extracted then isolated tracks -- some more than others. But on Beato's isolations they are really clean, there's not much bleed-through of other instrumentation. The site my son extracted his isolated tracks or a bunch of 70s-80s songs no longer exists or else I'd get you the link. Could be some software that can do the same thing...(we would think by now.) I've noticed a lotta karaoke uses the extracted/iso to eliminate the vocals.
You're right. Good tune...but I was never a fan of the "gunta gleebin glaubin globern" intro.
Interesting back story... THAT is the reason? Mutt Lange?? Great producer...the guy was known as a perfectionist. This intro was just dumb. I didn't listen to this tune for the longest time because of the dopey intro. (so it DID "mean" something after all.)
"Harder"? Or more satanic? I hate to burst your bubble, but...do you know anything about symbolism? OR, Ozzy's affectionate lyrics and ode to THE one and only, 'Mr Crowley'? (do you know who HE was?) I'm only the messenger. https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/ozzy.htm
Beatle-esque.
Seems Boston is in "Jesus is Saviour's" Hall of Shame. Right from your own site you referenc. Boston: promotes fornication, wild immoral parties, drug abuse, indifference, smoking pot, lead singer commit suicide in March 2007 (left a suicide note saying, "I am a lonely soul") https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/shame.htm
Baby the Rain Must Fall Some men climb a mountain But, baby the rain must fall I do not love for silver But, baby the rain must fall Baby, the wind must blow I am not rich or famous But, baby the rain must fall Heard This song 1964 was a senior in high school said iT was going To go To number # one disappeared for a few weeks came back went To # one love * in college ThaT all changed
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
I'll have to listen to them again, now knowing a bit more of the background of MTAF. My feelings on them certainly won't change but I could better quantify my impression.
I read somewhere the conundrum he was in, having made great rock music songs in his basement but with no ability to put on a concert and no real bandmates. In that light, the backside description on the LP cover on that debut album is an interesting spin, so to speak, as it's a pitch to ignore the band history and "listen to the album".
Boston: promotes fornication, wild immoral parties, drug abuse, indifference, smoking pot, lead singer commit suicide in March 2007 (left a suicide note saying, "I am a lonely soul") I'm glad you paid attention and looked the site over and found some truth. However IF we are going to measure the relative "shame" between Boston's rock lyrics and Ozzy's, Boston's lyrics do not promote a blatant brand of evil and depression, the worship of Satan, or promoting suicide like Black Sabbath (Ozzy was sued FOR causing actual suicides, wasn't he?) If you want to compare and parse the actual music, everyone identifies most of Ozzy's musical compositions and themes as darkening the soul and purposely casting demonic palls upon the spirit. He's a creepy magician casting spells over teens. Boston's music? Not so much. In fact, not at all. Their music, chords and melodies are upbeat and harmonious. It mostly celebrates the spirit and life.
So...does it bother you that Ozzy and Black Sabbath (by their very band name) routinely mock the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ in their music, by appearance? They don't even hide it.
You are making stuff up. You ask so here are some Ozzy Black Sabbath lyrics. "After Forever" Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved? Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave Is God just a thought within your head or is he a part of you? Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school? When you think about death do you lose your breath or do you keep your cool? Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope - do you think he's a fool? Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light and I've changed my ways And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared at the end of our days Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say If they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to love Is your mind so small that you have to fall In with the pack wherever they run Will you still sneer when death is near And say they may as well worship the sun? I think it was true it was people like you that crucified Christ I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe? You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone Open your eyes, just realize that he's the one The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it's too late.
Sentimental, eh Boris? I don't recall that song but remember the song title. Is it from a movie?
Believe what you want. Ignore what you want. You have free will.
You mean this founder of Black Sabbath Tony Iommi. You're an idiot.
I don't believe people who don't know what they are talking about. That would be you. And you didn't show me that Jesus is Saviour site. I knew about that for over a decade. I recall something about a splinter and an eye.
Who is the one ignoring. You are. Here is another founding member. In a brand new interview with The Weeklings, BLACK SABBATH bassist Geezer Butler was asked if he got any backlash over SABBATH singing a message of repentance and God being the only way to love on the "Master Of Reality" album. "No," he responded. "People always like to find the 'evil' in the music, so they'd quote the 'pope on a rope' part out of context, as usual. People like to find negative in everything. We weren't interested in writing songs about the 'nice' things in the world; everyone else was writing about that. We wanted to inject some reality into music. I think if we'd been called WHITE SUNDAY we'd have had a totally different reaction. Butler also talked about his thought process behind writing the lyrics to the SABBATH song "After Forever", which some historians have called the first real Christian rock song. "A lot of it was because of the situation in Northern Ireland at the time," he explained. "There were a lot of religious troubles between the Protestants against the Catholics.
Your feelings or ear or impression could certainly change now that your senses are 40 years older. You focus on different things for some reason (maybe its me.) I can't tell you how many songs I've taken a different listen to and appreciate far more now then then. (Not to mention the volume of good songs and music that fell between the cracks, never even heard. Wasn't it almost impossible to hear everything back in the late 60s, 70s-80s?) For 41 years, I'd dismissed Boston's 'Feelin Satisfied' (second album, Side B track)...until I heard a cover band do it and heard the rest of song beyond the first over-used opening riffs. Love it. Took 41 years to appreciate it.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBoston's first album (1976) in my opinion is a Top 10 of all time. Still nothing sounds like it, never has since. Boston was its own genre. Summer of '77.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#2. To: Stoner, sneakypete, A K A Stone, *Music* (#1)
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#3. To: Deckard (#1)
#4. To: Liberator (#3)
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#5. To: Deckard (#4)
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As I recall you [Liberator] are in or near the so called epicenter out east.
#6. To: Liberator (#0)
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#7. To: Liberator (#0)
#8. To: Liberator (#0)
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#10. To: Liberator (#0)
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#11. To: misterwhite (#10)
#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)
#13. To: misterwhite (#12)
#14. To: misterwhite (#12)
#15. To: Deckard (#1)
Good time for music, on the cusp of disco dying out and the punk rock scene exploding.
#16. To: misterwhite, Deckard, Liberator (#12)
#17. To: Deckard (#4)
#18. To: Mudboy Slim (#6)
#19. To: Mudboy Slim (#7)
Speaking of that, do you recall the first time you heard a song that you liked so much you considered it your favorite song? For me it was Lynyrd Skynrd's " What's Your Name?" from about 6th grag de.
#20. To: Pinguinite (#8)
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Very interesting. This has always been one of my favorites, though I've played it so much I've kind of largely removed it from my usual listening.
#21. To: Pinguinite (#8)
Sadly, it seems Boston is just an alias for Tom Scholz, and though he's made additional albums beyond the first 2, it seems none of them have been able to continue the success. I've wondered if those other original band-mates deserved more credit for the original successes than they ended up getting in court.
#22. To: Pinguinite (#9)
How did this guy get the full audio on this sound broken down into separate tracks?
#23. To: misterwhite (#10)
Any song that starts with "gunta gleebin glaubin globern" has got to be good:
#24. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#11)
The song begins with a voice that says ""Gunter Glieben Glauten Globen". What does that mean? The answer is it doesn't mean anything. Producer Mutt Lange got tired of counting the band in with "1, 2, 3, 4...," so he started saying this.The boys liked it so they put it in the song. It means so much, it means nothing.
#25. To: A K A Stone, Deckard (#15)
I'm more into harder rock as I'm sure you know.
#26. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite, Deckard (#16)
#27. To: Liberator (#25)
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/ozzy.htm
#28. To: Liberator (#25)
#29. To: Mudboy Slim (#6)
I was in Junior High so we decided it was "The Greatest Song Ever!"
Some men swim the sea
Some men fly above the sky
They are what they must be
Baby, the wind must blow
Wherever my heart leads me
Baby, I must go, baby I must go
I do not love for gold
My heart is mine to give away
It never will be sold
Wherever my heart leads me
Baby, I must go, baby I must go
But who can ever tell
I don't know now what waits for me
Maybe Heaven, maybe Hell *
Baby, the wind must blow
Wherever my heart leads me
Baby, I must go, baby I must go
boris
#30. To: Deckard, liberator (#1)
#31. To: Liberator (#20)
Now if you're also referring to Side B of the 'Don't Look Back' album, I absolutely agree! So you noticed as well? (Only 'Feeling Satisfied' met the standard of excellence as heard on Side A, and the debut album material.)
#32. To: Liberator (#21)
Apparently Scholtz didn't even need a band -- he covered the bass on that debut album, guitars, and even keyboards. He was maybe the first to be a "virtual" band thank to his MIT skills.
#33. To: A K A Stone, Deckard (#27)
Seems Boston is in "Jesus is Saviour's" Hall of Shame. Right from your own site you referenc.
#34. To: A K A Stone (#27)
#35. To: Liberator (#33)
between Boston's rock lyrics and Ozzy's, Boston's lyrics do not promote a blatant brand of evil and depression, the worship of Satan, or promoting suicide like Black Sabbath (Ozzy was sued FOR causing actual suicides, wasn't he?)
#36. To: BorisY (#29)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#35)
#38. To: Liberator (#34)
So...does it bother you that Ozzy and Black Sabbath (by their very band name) routinely mock the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ in their music, by appearance? They don't even hide it.
#39. To: Liberator (#37)
Believe what you want. Ignore what you want. You have free will.
#40. To: Liberator (#37)
Believe what you want. Ignore what you want. You have free will.
#41. To: Pinguinite (#31)
I'll have to listen to them again, now knowing a bit more of the background of MTAF. My feelings on them certainly won't change but I could better quantify my impression.
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