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Title: Chelsea Clinton's dubious 'earnings' She made big bucks in chemicals and TV, courtesy of nepotism, not skill
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Published: Jan 8, 2020
Author: Tammy Bruce
Post Date: 2020-01-08 09:05:57 by IbJensen
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With all the talk about Hunter Biden these days, one might get the impression that he is the only child of a politician to benefit from his parents’ position and the last name they inherited. Before Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden, got his strange but lucrative deal to sit on the board of energy company Burisma Holdings in Ukraine to the tune of $50,000 a month, there was Chelsea Clinton, the only child of former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She was similarly rewarded with jobs and board positions that had absolutely no relationship with that young woman’s interests, life, education or any perceived expertise. All of this has racked up to what the New York Post reported back in 2015 was an estimated net worth of $15 million for the then-34-year-old. More recently, Barron’s, the finance newspaper, revealed that Chelsea Clinton has now reaped $9 million from a corporate board position. In 2011, while her mother was still secretary of state, she was appointed to IAC/Interactive, an Internet investment company. She receives an annual $50,000 retainer and $250,000 worth of restricted IAC stock units, according to Barron’s. Ironically, and something the Clintons would be loathed to admit, they like most other American families benefitted from President Donald Trump’s leadership and correlating economic renaissance. The Hill reported, “IAC stock has risen 89%, 50% and 36% in 2017, 2018 and 2019, respectively, a far steeper rise in the broader stock market Consequently, Chelsea Clinton reported in December of last year her holdings ballooned to $8.95 million. In 2017, Chelsea Clinton was also named to travel site Expedia’s Board of Directors. Because she’s a … business genius? A travel genius? An investment prodigy? The Hill
Poster Comment: The Clintons are racketeers and murderers. The pile of dead bodies they leave behind them in their unhindered quest for illegal riches should be enough to lock the three of them away for 50 years. Incidentally, Chelsea is absolutely ghastly looking and watching her speak is like a Disney cartoon come to life. Her comments are always vacuously stupid.
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Families look after their children. I see nothing wrong with that, as long as it is not illegal. Companies giving Chelsea Clinton board roles to have access to her famous and powerful parents is not illegal. So what's the issue, then, jealousy?
Are you out of your mind asking me a question like that? I recall thinking you were an asshole after reading some of your blurbs, but that comment puts you in the asshole category. That, of course, puts you in bed with the Democrat-Communist Party which you might enjoy.
Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
I simply have no problem with nepotism. People love their families, and absolutely have the right to promote them in things under their control. Why wouldn't they?
In general, in civ world, it is what it is. The rich and powerful can shower their money on their kids. There is a problem with nepotism when government favors are being doled out. For example, a government employee agrees to do something unethical in return for a family member being given a government job over more highly qualified applicants. Or two government employees act unethically for mutual benefit. Due to anti-nepotism regulations, a Navy officer could not hire his own wife to work for him as a civilian employee. But two Navy officers could team up and each hire the other guy's wife for a civilian position. In overseas locations, where civilian employment may be limited to on-base employment, this is a common sight. Anti-nepotism regarding military retirees required they be seperated from active duty for at least six months before obtaining civilian employment with the military. That ended a certain form of self-nepotism where the gentleman, before retiring, planned the conversion of his military position to a civilian position, and tailored the job requirements to mirror what was in his military records. That way, he could be the most highly qualified candidate. In a case such as Ukranians contributing millions of dollars to the Hunter Biden dope and hooker fund, they tend to be buying something in return. It can be viewed as access, or less altruistically as results. They are unlikely to keep pouring money into the hooker fund unless they are getting something for their money. The result would tend to be a corruption of some process or other.
Vic is a hardcore Catholic. They are always more sympathetic to monarchy, the very lifeblood of nepotism vs. meritocracy. Part and parcel of Catholic dogma over the centuries. The only surprise would be if he wasn't. And, yes, if he could advance his daughter's prospects by underhanded behavior or influence peddling, he would do it in a heartbeat and have no qualms about it. You might as well act shocked that your dog gobbled up a piece of steak that fell on the floor during a meal. They might feign some guilt but they don't feel any in that circumstance.
No reason to drag Catholicism into the mix. I just think it's natural for family to love family, and the grouse - for example - that "Trump got all of his money from his daddy!", as if that delegitimizes him, delegitimizes the commentator who raises the point, as far as I am concerned. So what? That's what family is SUPPOSED to do: take care of their own, pass the knowledge, experience and wealth down through the ages. Support each generation so they get further. The people who kick their kids out at 18 and tell them they are on their own are the real cocksuckers, as far as I am concerned. Anything they build will die with them, and their children will start adulthood at a crippling disadvantage. Would I resort to DISHONEST methods to advance my daughter in her sport? Say, poisoning the opponents? Of course not. And that's not "Catholic" either. I want her to win on her own merits. But I will certainly, and do certainly, use my money to make sure she gets the best training, has the best equipment, and gets to travel to all of the important tournaments. Others of lesser means cannot necessarily do that. I don't look down on them, but I'm not going to hold back on what I can do for mine just because somebody else cannot do the same. And I think that any normal right-thinking person does the same. Which is WHY I think that broad social welfare needs to be done through government policies. It is not natural to give away enough of what we have to actually make a difference and pull everybody up out of poverty. We want to help, and will, but not to the extent that it cuts into what we want to do for ourselves and our own children. It works against our proper instincts. Having the state do it moves the burden off of individuals, who simply won't do enough, and put it in the hands of a structure that can extract what is necessary from an unwilling population to make sure that the bottom are not left in abject wretchedness. I don't support socialism, because that takes TOO MUCH, seeks to pull the top down and the bottom up, so they are equal in resources. That is intolerable (not the dream of equality, but the forcible creation of it). No. It is well that those at the bottom be lifted out of MISERY and placed in a position where they have adequate (not luxurious) housing, adequate heating, adequate health care, healthful food, and where their children have good educations, so they can rise out of the poverty by their own efforts, being properly equipped. That's expensive, but proper. BEYOND that, where the Communists and Socialists want to go, is NOT proper. Beyond that, I want the remaining of my resources for myself, MY family, MY causes (or lack thereof). My Catholicism means that I cannot be so selfish that I ignore the plight of the bottom, and want ADEQUATE coverage of them, and GOOD education for their children. But it stops there. After that, God gave ME a family to look after, and that's MY job. Accumulating resources to have independence at the end of career, and so that my daughter can enjoy greater independence and opportunity early: this is normal and right - what ELSE are we supposed to be doing with our talents. Breaking the opponents' knees, a la Tonya Harding? No. That's wrong. Nepotism - favoring one's own - is giving a leg up, it's not breaking somebody else's knees. That's why I don't mind it. Of course, if a child or a colleague is a wastrel, one does not press that person upward to fail. One recalibrates. Most people aren't wastels, and most jobs are such that it hardly matters who is in it. Why, then, not my own? I suppose there are people who really believe it's a virtue to treat family the same as everybody else, and who toss their kids out at age 18 and tell them they are on their own. And people like that praise each other, I guess. If it's "Catholic" to not be like that, then it's one more example where Catholicism is a good thing. And no, I have no problem with the royal families of the world. To stay royal, they have to please their people, and they do tend to hold their countries together.
Vic you said you supported a global welfare system where we give our tax dollars to foreigners. You said that and were quite dogmatic about it. That is what commie socialists think.
I think that we are all cousins, literally blood relatives, through Adam and Eve, and Noah and Na'amah. As such we have a certain responsibility to every human being on earth, that they not live in misery, squalor and die young for preventable reasons. My comments above, about adequate (not luxurious) housing, health care, nutritious food and a decent education for children (so they can rise and be productive) is a human minimum that humanity owes to all of its members, irrespective of their ability, or the ability of their parents, to pay. Where they can't pay, at the moment, it needs to be extended as welfare, with the education such that they can find work in whatever field and eventually pay it forward. If you want to call that Socialism, or Communism, or whatever, you can. I call it "Christianity", because it's what Christ demanded of us: feed the hungry, house the homeless, heal the sick - that's full on Jesus, and everybody who is a Christian knows that already. There is certainly more than enough money in the world to do THAT, and still have a vibrant capitalist economy - indeed a MORE vibrant one, because of all of the new construction, education, and jobs. The poorest parts of the world lack sufficient wealth to get this done, so the wealthier parts of the world need to fund it, yes. As before, I do not speak of people living in luxury. One must be rich to do that. I speak only of the basic needs of all mankind. Jesus commanded us to look to those. I agree with him, and I find it puzzling when self- described "Christians" don't.
I speak only of the basic needs of all mankind. Jesus commanded us to look to those. I agree with him, and I find it puzzling when self- described "Christians" don't. Christ commanded the church, the local church, to feed the hungry, house the homeless, heal the sick. Not a global welfare system of any kind. A global system, such as the one the Pope is calling for, is an attempt to reunite the world against God, after He scattered the people and confused their language at the Tower of Babel. Jesus said: "The poor you will always have with you..." Part of what God is telling us here is that, because of the rebellion of man against God, there will always be poverty. There will always be multitudes of humanity who cannot be 'given' anything, because they will use what you give them to further distance themselves from God. Try giving a poverty stricken drunk some money, clothing, a car, a house...he'll just trade it for a bottle. But the local church can and does create shelters where such a man can come when he's ready. Here's a Christian work in Newark, NJ This mission would be a disaster if operated by a global (or even a local) government.
There are nowhere near enough shelters to house everyone, and there is not enough private charity to feed everyone who needs it, and the Churches don't heal the sick at all - that's a massively expensive undertaking. So no, Church is not good enough. It's not enough, and it never has been.
My wife was a medical missionary (Zambia) before we married. There are thousands of Christian medical staff all over the world, overseen by the local churches through sending ministries. Surgery, dentistry, general medicine, the whole nine. Even so, yes, it's not enough. But what has the WHO really done. Or any other alphabet org. How could any existing global organization lift every one up to, say, the American standard of living? Take a look at Rhodesia, where the government took fully developed farms! away from one group of people and gave them to another...mass starvation. Now imagine that globally. But guess who's going to give it a shot...the ole anti-christ hisself is going to do it, with the world believing that he is god. So when you say global welfare you are singing his tune. You may not have to wait too long to see him promise the world that he'll lift everyone up to heaven-on-earth status.
And Vic will be right there, lecturing all of us about how deficient and horrible we are and how that nice Antichrist guy gets a bad rap. We'll hear the same crap from the False Prophet, either Pope Frank or one of his successors.
Here's how global welfare works out in reality...consider the aftermath of the earthquake in Haiti. From Wiki Oddly enough, after 10 years!, the people are still living in tents. Missionaries are reporting that the situation is dire. The mainstream news confirms... Wonder where the $54 million went? Chlesea again? These two molech worshipers represent the very best of a global welfare system. Nepotism? Hell yeah, funnel some money to the Bush kids, too.
No way! Vic will recognize that AC guy, thanks to me lecturing HIM right here on this forum :-)
I don't doubt your ability to convince him. I doubt your ability to persuade him not to support that kind poor-lovin' Antichrist handing out goodies left and right. Recall that scripture says plainly that the vast majority of the church(es) will fall away and follow the Antichrist willingly and they will aid the Antichrist's government in persecuting the Remainder.
I doubt your ability to persuade him not to support that kind poor-lovin' Antichrist handing out goodies left and right. Recall that scripture says plainly that the vast majority of the church(es) will fall away and follow the Antichrist willingly and they will aid the Antichrist's government in persecuting the Remainder. Well, TC, only the Holy Spirit can reach Vic, or any of us, for that matter. My ability to persuade has faded with time, and certainly in written form, as anyone can see by my attempts at posting... I am not a writer but a speaker and neither if you consult my harshest critic (my wife). The church is indeed fallen away (primarily through the spiritual condition of Laodicea). We Christians are aiding the rise of the AC by not loving the true. We have convinced ourselves that we are rich, and have need of nothing. It's quite evident. The false believers will certainly be lost but the true Christians WILL wake up (probably too late, but they will wake up).
Jeez Louise. May as well call me "Lucifer's little helper". Go Trump.
Bookmark for the next time you decide to make an unrequested change to someone's handle here at LF...
Maybe. The impression I get is that Christians will wake up one day, see an Antichrist dictator on TV, and mention it at church and discover that 90% of their "brethren" are ready to turn them in to the new world government as subversives. The true Christians won't be suddenly surprised by the Antichrist. They will be the only ones who see him coming a mile away. The False Prophet is the tipoff that the Antichrist is near. It parallels how John the Baptist foreshadowed the appearance of Christ. Scripture indicates that the Remnant will be an extremely small portion of those who claim to be Christian. Like 1% or less. People never really believe that that "strait is the gate and narrow...the way" stuff applies to them.
But think about it, doesn't everybody know and expect the Antichrist? How many movies have been made about him...dozens. That can mean only one thing...the entire world will recognize the Antichrist. The awful part is...they are going to convince themselves that accepting him will be okay.
The big tipoff will be the events of Ezekiel 38. A confederation of nations north of Israel (entitled Gog and Magog) will be drawn down to make war with Israel. God will supernaturally destroy the armies, but the heretofore unrecognized Beast (as he is actually called in the Bible) will broker a peace agreement between Israel and all her enemies. This will give the AC the street creds to begin his reign (of ever increasing terror). I hope and pray my family and friends are somewhere else by then.
So you think all they want is "access"? Just to hang out with them at parties and such?
The true Christians won't be suddenly surprised by the Antichrist. They will be the only ones who see him coming a mile away. The False Prophet is the tipoff that the Antichrist is near. It parallels how John the Baptist foreshadowed the appearance of Christ. Scripture indicates that the Remnant will be an extremely small portion of those who claim to be Christian. Like 1% or less. People never really believe that that "strait is the gate and narrow...the way" stuff applies to them. You really see this all the literal script of a movie to come. You're absolutely certain of that things will be just exactly that way, because that is what you really see in those pages. It is very difficult to wrap one's head around that, that you folks are really not posturing, you're really not speaking in metaphors or coded language to each other - that you literally think this is the script of the future. Of course it's very hard to communicate across this gap. What makes it harder is that you're similarly absolutely certain that even those of us who try to are "of the world", and thralls of the anti-Christ, and you speak to us with such condescension and hostility...hostility that you folks call "love" (completely flipping the meaning of that word from anything recognizable). Of course this "love" provokes an equally, or more, sarcastic reaction, and the enmity builds between "the world" and you folks - and you wouldn't have it any other way. I've always tried hard to keep a bridge across that gulf, but I do have to ask myself why I do it. I do not believe pretty much anything you believe. I read the same book (well, yours is an abridged version, but the abridgements barely matter), and I come away with a completely different point of view (which you folks will ascribe to being "lost" and to the Devil). Politically, the hardening of the positions has gotten more acute over the years. I remember how vilified I was by you "Christians" over my strong support for Trump back in the primaries. I remember being told how immoral he was, and how, therefore, immoral and un-Christian I was for supporting him. I listen very carefully to you folks when you talk, and I remember what you've said over the years. And when I look at it as a tableau, what I see is a remarkably inconsistent and utterly self-serving pattern of flip- flops and changes of heart, compared to which I look at myself and see somebody who has been as constant as the sun about the things that are right and true. There is not much in common between Catholics and you guys, not really. And what little there is arises practically by accident. I guess what we do have in common is that we're both certain that we're the genuine People of God, that we have it right, and that God is with us. Nothing you've said to me on this and other threads has ever done anything more than deepen that certitude. The level of vituperation that comes out of you "Christians", the legalism that amounts to nullification of the social responsibility of Christians to do anything more than they personally feel like doing - none of it sounds to me remotely like Christ. So I think I'll just leave it at that. Your beliefs are a well-developed script, that's how you see it, nothing on the earth or in the heavens is going to change your mind, and you don't want us "people of the world" mingled with you, because we might lead you astray. For my part, I simply don't like being talked to the way you folks always talk to me, with this supercilious air as though you know something I don't know, have read something I haven't read. I've read the same book, and honestly, you sound like cartoon villains. I'm taking my leave of Liberty's Flame again for awhile. Even the other Catholic here, Anthem (I think he's Catholic), was raging at me in full asshole mode the other day. What's the point of listening to this? The world goes on. Bye for now.
And you don't recognize that you are exactly the same? LOL. And, as usual, your notions of Christianity amount to a big welfare state. Jesus and the disciples somehow never mentioned that Big Gooberment and a welfare state was the road to salvation. You're just rehashing the usual arguments of Rome for a social welfare state. Paying for welfare by thee but not for me. So, you're going to run away and pout for a while. Nothing new. It's been done to death really. A better question is what is the point of constantly trying to sell discredited and failed Catholic social gospel ideas to Prots. But you never consider that, despite many years of bitter frustration in your ongoing attempts to do exactly that. Until next time. You almost had me convinced until you decided to run away again.
Believe it or not, I did 8 years of Catholic grade school back during Vatican II and was even an altar boy doing the Latin Mass... Fallen away now for a variety of reasons, but it still rubs me the wrong way when someone launches into their "The Pope is the AntiChrist" bullshit... So just to let you know, you & Anthem aren't the only Catholics around here... (even if I only qualify as a former Catholic, those nuns made sure I was never gonna convert to something else. LOL)
I too am a Roman Catholic. The difference between myself and V is perhaps that I am Sedevacantist.
Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
Rome sits on 7 mountains as I understand it. The Roman church is blasphemous in their worship of sinner Mary the non virgin. The pope is a false teacher and is probably the false prophet. 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. The Mystery Explained 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. The Victory of the Lamb 14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Catholics don't worship Mary... They only worship God... However, as the Mother of Christ, Mary does merit special status of honor & respect within Catholic doctrine... So if you really want to risk eternal hellfire & damnation by being so disrespectful of Christ's Mother, that's your problem, not mine... I already knew years ago that it was pointless to try to convert you.... Especially when I have my own reasons for no longer believing in these ancient myths & fairy tales.
They pray to Mary. prayer /prer/ Learn to pronounce noun a solemn request for help or expression of thanks addressed to God or an object of worship. So is she a God or an object of worship?
How is telling the truth being disrespectful. It is a fact that she is a sinner, we all are. It is a fact that she had other kids. Making her a non virgin. I'm not saying that she wasn't a good person. I'm just saying she isn't someone you are supposed to pray to. She was a person.
She's an intermediary... They know she's already in heaven, so they're just asking her to put in a good word with God for them.... They figure since she's Christ's Mom, she must have some kind of influence in these matters... But they still aren't actually worshipping her.
Wrong again... It doesn't matter how she conceived any other kids she may have had... Are you trying to tell us that Joseph was actually Christ's biological daddy?
She is dead. She can't hear shit. The resurrection takes place in the future when Christ returns according to the Bible. There is not one single bible verse that says to pray to a dead sinner. Not one verse about an intermediary to pray to. Anyone who thinks dead Mary hears their prayers is a stupid person. They are also a person who doesn't believe the Bible because as I pointed out she is dead and there has been no resurrection as yet. They add to scripture and pervert the word of God. Idiots. She's dead Jim.
No you are wrong again. They are talking in present tense. She is the former virgin Mary mother of the Christ. But she isn't a virgin anymore. She can't hear you because she is dead. And she is a sinner she said so in scripture. You don't believe the Bible is what is sounds like to me. Which is your choice to not believe the truth. Evil people and dummies do it all the time.
Nope that would be a dumb position. Christ was born of a virgin. Mary was a virgin when Christ was born according to scripture. I believe that to be the case. Mary had an important role. She just isn't someone you are supposed to pray to. Because she is dead and not risen.
So what's that in Heaven with all the angels? Her cold, stiff, worm-eaten corpse? Don't you believe that people have souls/spirits? They don't need a pile of rotting flesh to know what's going on down here on Earth.
Don't you believe that people have souls/spirits? They don't need a pile of rotting flesh to know what's going on down here on Earth. The resurrection has not happened yet. Or has it?
Trying to talk to the dead is an occult practice and a sin. Leviticus 19:31 ESV / 89 helpful votes “Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God. Isaiah 8:19 ESV / 54 helpful votes And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? Deuteronomy 18:9-14 ESV / 50 helpful votes “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, ... Leviticus 20:6 ESV / 48 helpful votes “If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people. 1 Timothy 4:1 ESV / 45 helpful votes Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, Ecclesiastes 9:5 ESV / 45 helpful votes For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. 2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV / 33 helpful votes And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Psalm 146:4 ESV / 28 helpful votes When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish. Psalm 115:17 ESV / 26 helpful votes The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into silence. 1 John 4:1 ESV / 22 helpful votes Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. Deuteronomy 18:10 ESV / 18 helpful votes There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer Hebrews 9:27 ESV / 17 helpful votes And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, Revelation 16:14 ESV / 16 helpful votes For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. Revelation 21:8 ESV / 15 helpful votes But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” James 2:19 ESV / 15 helpful votes You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Isaiah 8:20 ESV / 14 helpful votes To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. 1 John 4:1-3 ESV / 12 helpful votes Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Romans 10:9 ESV / 12 helpful votes Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. John 3:16 ESV / 12 helpful votes “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:18 ESV / 11 helpful votes Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. Exodus 22:18 ESV / 11 helpful votes “You shall not permit a sorceress to live. John 11:11-14 ESV / 10 helpful votes After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.” The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died, Deuteronomy 18:11-12 ESV / 10 helpful votes Or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. Ephesians 2:9 ESV / 9 helpful votes Not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Matthew 22:32 ESV / 9 helpful votes ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.” 1 Timothy 2:5 ESV / 8 helpful votes For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Acts 10:43 ESV / 8 helpful votes To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” John 6:44 ESV / 8 helpful votes No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. Deuteronomy 18:11 ESV / 8 helpful votes Or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, Hebrews 5:14 ESV / 7 helpful votes But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Ephesians 4:30 ESV / 7 helpful votes And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Acts 17:11 ESV / 7 helpful votes Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. Malachi 4:3 ESV / 7 helpful votes And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts. Luke 1:37 ESV / 6 helpful votes For nothing will be impossible with God.” Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 ESV / 6 helpful votes For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun. Revelation 1:1-20 ESV / 5 helpful votes The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood ... Romans 6:23 ESV / 5 helpful votes For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 ESV / 5 helpful votes So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the Lord in that he did not keep the command of the Lord, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance. He did not seek guidance from the Lord. Therefore the Lord put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse. Leviticus 20:27 ESV / 5 helpful votes “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:26-27 ESV / 5 helpful votes You shall be holy to me, for I the Lord am holy and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be mine. “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” Revelation 21:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” John 6:40 ESV / 4 helpful votes For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 5:28-29 ESV / 4 helpful votes Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. Luke 16:19-31 ESV / 4 helpful votes “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. ... Matthew 28:20 ESV / 4 helpful votes Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matthew 24:24 ESV / 4 helpful votes For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Ecclesiastes 12:7 ESV / 4 helpful votes And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. Exodus 13:9 ESV / 4 helpful votes And it shall be to you as a sign on your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth. For with a strong hand the Lord has brought you out of Egypt. 1 Peter 5:8 ESV / 3 helpful votes Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Peter 3:18-19 ESV / 3 helpful votes For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, James 2:26 ESV / 3 helpful votes For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 ESV / 3 helpful votes So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. Romans 14:8 ESV / 3 helpful votes For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. John 14:6 ESV / 3 helpful votes Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Luke 23:43 ESV / 3 helpful votes And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” Matthew 10:28 ESV / 3 helpful votes And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Daniel 2:2 ESV / 3 helpful votes Then the king commanded that the magicians, the enchanters, the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans be summoned to tell the king his dreams. So they came in and stood before the king. Psalm 23:4 ESV / 3 helpful votes Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. Psalm 6:5 ESV / 3 helpful votes For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise? 1 Samuel 28:1-25 ESV / 3 helpful votes In those days the Philistines gathered their forces for war, to fight against Israel. And Achish said to David, “Understand that you and your men are to go out with me in the army.” David said to Achish, “Very well, you shall know what your servant can do.” And Achish said to David, “Very well, I will make you my bodyguard for life.” Now Samuel had died, and all Israel had mourned for him and buried him in Ramah, his own city. And Saul had put the mediums and the necromancers out of the land. The Philistines assembled and came and encamped at Shunem. And Saul gathered all Israel, and they encamped at Gilboa. When Saul saw the army of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart trembled greatly. ... Revelation 22:12 ESV / 2 helpful votes “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. Revelation 20:14 ESV / 2 helpful votes Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. Revelation 20:6 ESV / 2 helpful votes Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. Revelation 13:13-14 ESV / 2 helpful votes It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people, and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. Revelation 12:9 ESV / 2 helpful votes And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 1 John 3:8-10 ESV / 2 helpful votes Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. 1 Timothy 6:15-16 ESV / 2 helpful votes Which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 ESV / 2 helpful votes The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 ESV / 2 helpful votes For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Colossians 3:1-25 ESV / 2 helpful votes If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. ... Colossians 2:1-23 ESV / 2 helpful votes For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments. For though I am absent in body, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ. ... Colossians 1:1-29 ESV / 2 helpful votes Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the saints and faithful brothers in Christ at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father. We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love that you have for all the saints, because of the hope laid up for you in heaven. Of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, ... Philippians 1:21 ESV / 2 helpful votes For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. Ephesians 4:27 ESV / 2 helpful votes And give no opportunity to the devil. Galatians 6:7 ESV / 2 helpful votes Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. Galatians 5:19-21 ESV / 2 helpful votes Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 15:51 ESV / 2 helpful votes Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:22 ESV / 2 helpful votes For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 10:20-21 ESV / 2 helpful votes No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. Romans 12:2 ESV / 2 helpful votes Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. Romans 8:38-39 ESV / 2 helpful votes For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:18 ESV / 2 helpful votes For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. Romans 8:10 ESV / 2 helpful votes But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Romans 8:6 ESV / 2 helpful votes For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. Romans 5:8 ESV / 2 helpful votes But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Acts 9:37 ESV / 2 helpful votes In those days she became ill and died, and when they had washed her, they laid her in an upper room. Acts 8:2 ESV / 2 helpful votes Devout men buried Stephen and made great lamentation over him. Acts 2:34 ESV / 2 helpful votes For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, Acts 2:29 ESV / 2 helpful votes “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. John 20:17 ESV / 2 helpful votes Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 14:27 ESV / 2 helpful votes Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid. John 14:26 ESV / 2 helpful votes But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. John 14:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. John 13:7 ESV / 2 helpful votes Jesus answered him, “What I am doing you do not understand now, but afterward you will understand.” John 11:26 ESV / 2 helpful votes And everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” John 11:25-26 ESV / 2 helpful votes Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” John 11:1-57 ESV / 2 helpful votes Now a certain man was ill, Lazarus of Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. It was Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was ill. So the sisters sent to him, saying, “Lord, he whom you love is ill.” But when Jesus heard it he said, “This illness does not lead to death. It is for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified through it.” Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. ... John 10:10 ESV / 2 helpful votes The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. John 3:16-17 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. John 1:12 ESV / 2 helpful votes But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, Suggest a Verse
Ancient myths & fairy tales, just like I told you earlier... It doesn't matter to me whether it's your version, the Catholic version, the Mormon version, the Hebrew version, the Muslim version, the Zoroastrian version, L. Ron Hubbard's Sci-Fi version, or the Buddhists, Shintos, Norse/Vikings or whatever other mythology you mental midgets want to go to war over because you want to claim that your God is better than your neighbor's God... Fuck all that stupid bullshit... But since I was raised Catholic, I thought I'd explain to you what Catholics actually believe instead of whatever it was you learned in that anti-Catholic Echo Chamber you live in... But if you're spiritually fulfilled by all that mumbo-jumbo, then your not the only pinhead that I'll never convince before I croak... So it's just not worth my time to even try... You're a big boy.... Make up your own goddam mind instead of swallowing what someone else spoon-feeds you hook, line & sinker...
So what do you think the Easter Bunny is all about? Just another excuse to sell chocolate?
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#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
So what's the issue, then, jealousy?
#3. To: IbJensen (#2)
#4. To: Vicomte13, IBJensen (#3)
I simply have no problem with nepotism.
#5. To: IbJensen, Vicomte13 (#2)
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I recall thinking you were an asshole after reading some of your blurbs, but that comment puts you in the asshole category. That, of course, puts you in bed with the Democrat-Communist Party which you might enjoy.
#6. To: Tooconservative (#5)
The only surprise would be if he wasn't. And, yes, if he could advance his daughter's prospects by underhanded behavior or influence peddling, he would do it in a heartbeat and have no qualms about it. You might as well act shocked that your dog gobbled up a piece of steak that fell on the floor during a meal. They might feign some guilt but they don't feel any in that circumstance.
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
I don't support socialism, because that takes TOO MUCH,
#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Vic you said you supported a global welfare system where we give our tax dollars to foreigners. You said that and were quite dogmatic about it. That is what commie socialists think.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
I call it "Christianity", because it's what Christ demanded of us: feed the hungry, house the homeless, heal the sick - that's full on Jesus, and everybody who is a Christian knows that already.
1Now the whole world had one language and a common speech...3They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; 5But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.8”So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. Gen. 11
#10. To: watchman (#9)
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
and the Churches don't heal the sick at all - that's a massively expensive undertaking.
#12. To: watchman (#11)
But guess who's going to give it a shot...the ole anti-christ hisself is going to do it, with the world believing that he is god. So when you say global welfare you are singing his tune. You may not have to wait too long to see him promise the world that he'll lift everyone up to heaven-on-earth status.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
The poorest parts of the world lack sufficient wealth to get this done, so the wealthier parts of the world need to fund it, yes.
The Clinton Bush Haiti fund raised $54.4 million from more than 2,000,000 individuals, businesses, and organizations. It dispersed funds to more than 50 organizations through grants, loans, and equity investments. As of December 2012, the Fund estimated that its programs sustained or created 7,350 jobs, trained 20,050 individuals, and had an additional positive impact on the conditions of more than 311,000 Haitians.
#14. To: Tooconservative (#12)
And Vic will be right there, lecturing all of us...
#15. To: watchman (#14)
No way! Vic will recognize that AC guy, thanks to me lecturing HIM right here on this forum :-)
#16. To: Tooconservative (#15)
I don't doubt your ability to convince him.
#17. To: Tooconservative (#12)
And Vic will be right there, lecturing all of us about how deficient and horrible we are and how that nice Antichrist guy gets a bad rap. We'll hear the same crap from the False Prophet, either Pope Frank or one of his successors.
#18. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#17)
Jeez Louise. May as well call me "Lucifer's little helper".
#19. To: watchman (#16)
The false believers will certainly be lost but the true Christians WILL wake up (probably too late, but they will wake up).
#20. To: Tooconservative (#19)
The impression I get is that Christians will wake up one day, see an Antichrist dictator on TV
#21. To: Tooconservative (#19)
The False Prophet is the tipoff that the Antichrist is near.
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
Companies giving Chelsea Clinton board roles to have access to her famous and powerful parents is not illegal.
#23. To: Tooconservative (#19)
Maybe. The impression I get is that Christians will wake up one day, see an Antichrist dictator on TV, and mention it at church and discover that 90% of their "brethren" are ready to turn them in to the new world government as subversives.
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
There is not much in common between Catholics and you guys, not really. And what little there is arises practically by accident. I guess what we do have in common is that we're both certain that we're the genuine People of God, that we have it right, and that God is with us. Nothing you've said to me on this and other threads has ever done anything more than deepen that certitude.
he level of vituperation that comes out of you "Christians", the legalism that amounts to nullification of the social responsibility of Christians to do anything more than they personally feel like doing - none of it sounds to me remotely like Christ.
I'm taking my leave of Liberty's Flame again for awhile.
Even the other Catholic here, Anthem (I think he's Catholic), was raging at me in full asshole mode the other day. What's the point of listening to this?
Bye for now.
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
I'm taking my leave of Liberty's Flame again for awhile. Even the other Catholic here, Anthem (I think he's Catholic), was raging at me in full asshole mode the other day. What's the point of listening to this?
#26. To: Tooconservative (#5)
#27. To: Willie Green (#25)
"The Pope is the AntiChrist" bullshit...
#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)
The Roman church is blasphemous in their worship of sinner Mary the non virgin.
#29. To: Willie Green (#28)
Catholics don't worship Mary...
#30. To: Willie Green (#28)
So if you really want to risk eternal hellfire & damnation by being so disrespectful of Christ's Mother, that's your problem, not mine...
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
So is she a God or an object of worship?
#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)
It is a fact that she is a sinner, we all are. It is a fact that she had other kids. Making her a non virgin.
Catholics are only referring to the birth of Christ...
That was a miraculous act of God... No horny human poked her in the pussy to do that.
I sure hope not... I've heard plenty of strange conspiracy theories before, but that one's out there in la-la-land....
#33. To: Willie Green (#31)
She's an intermediary... They know she's already in heaven,
#34. To: Willie Green (#32)
Wrong again... It doesn't matter how she conceived any other kids she may have had... Catholics are only referring to the birth of Christ... That was a miraculous act of God... No horny human poked her in the pussy to do that.
#35. To: Willie Green (#32)
Are you trying to tell us that Joseph was actually Christ's biological daddy?
#36. To: A K A Stone (#33)
She is dead. She can't hear shit.
#37. To: Willie Green (#36)
So what's that in Heaven with all the angels? Her cold, stiff, worm-eaten corpse?
#38. To: Willie Green (#36)
#39. To: A K A Stone (#34)
You don't believe the Bible is what is sounds like to me.
#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)
The resurrection has not happened yet. Or has it?
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