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Title: Chelsea Clinton's dubious 'earnings' She made big bucks in chemicals and TV, courtesy of nepotism, not skill
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Published: Jan 8, 2020
Author: Tammy Bruce
Post Date: 2020-01-08 09:05:57 by IbJensen
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With all the talk about Hunter Biden these days, one might get the impression that he is the only child of a politician to benefit from his parents’ position and the last name they inherited. Before Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden, got his strange but lucrative deal to sit on the board of energy company Burisma Holdings in Ukraine to the tune of $50,000 a month, there was Chelsea Clinton, the only child of former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She was similarly rewarded with jobs and board positions that had absolutely no relationship with that young woman’s interests, life, education or any perceived expertise. All of this has racked up to what the New York Post reported back in 2015 was an estimated net worth of $15 million for the then-34-year-old. More recently, Barron’s, the finance newspaper, revealed that Chelsea Clinton has now reaped $9 million from a corporate board position. In 2011, while her mother was still secretary of state, she was appointed to IAC/Interactive, an Internet investment company. She receives an annual $50,000 retainer and $250,000 worth of restricted IAC stock units, according to Barron’s. Ironically, and something the Clintons would be loathed to admit, they like most other American families benefitted from President Donald Trump’s leadership and correlating economic renaissance. The Hill reported, “IAC stock has risen 89%, 50% and 36% in 2017, 2018 and 2019, respectively, a far steeper rise in the broader stock market Consequently, Chelsea Clinton reported in December of last year her holdings ballooned to $8.95 million. In 2017, Chelsea Clinton was also named to travel site Expedia’s Board of Directors. Because she’s a … business genius? A travel genius? An investment prodigy? The Hill
Poster Comment: The Clintons are racketeers and murderers. The pile of dead bodies they leave behind them in their unhindered quest for illegal riches should be enough to lock the three of them away for 50 years. Incidentally, Chelsea is absolutely ghastly looking and watching her speak is like a Disney cartoon come to life. Her comments are always vacuously stupid.
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#70. To: Vicomte13 (#60)
Neither is there salvation in ANY other: for there is NONE other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12
This is in my book. They way you said that it was like an insult. Like it isn't your book. Jesus said, "They that worship the Father must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH." We have to worship God according to the truth. God will not accept worship based on a lie.
5 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, 16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. 17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. 18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. 19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? 20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying, 21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and came it not into his mind? 22 So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day. 23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day. 24 Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the word of the Lord, all Judah that are in the land of Egypt: 25 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows. 26 Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the Lord, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord God liveth. 27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them. 28 Yet a small number that escape the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah, and all the remnant of Judah, that are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall know whose words shall stand, mine, or their's. 29 And this shall be a sign unto you, saith the Lord, that I will punish you in this place, that ye may know that my words shall surely stand against you for evil: 30 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will give Pharaohhophra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies, and into the hand of them that seek his life; as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, his enemy, and that sought his life.
You're right, it's not in the Bible, because these things happened over a thousand years after the Bible was written. Jesus' advent, the way he did it, is not in the Jewish Bible either - that was their complaint - that the Messiah was supposed to liberate them, be a warrior king in the mode of David, and they had all their Biblical passages lined up to prove it. But then Jesus came as he did, and did what he did, and they were baffled, and disappointed, so they REJECTED him - HE can't be true, because he's not what we expected, it isn't written that way - not openly. God sent Mary, and mass conversion followed. God sent Mary, and healings follow, in abundance, clear open miracles. No, it's not in the Bible. SO WHAT? God never said that he was going to stop interacting with men once the last Apostle died. That's the doctrine of idolators who have denied God the power of miracle, and of sending prophesy, and of sending Mary, etc., BECAUSE they want to limit everything to one book. Just exactly like the Jews did before. Same error. Same result.
Mary has never said "I am the Christ." It's always perfectly obvious she is Christ's mother, calling people to her son. No Catholic leader has said "I am the Christ". There's no Christ but Christ.
A K A Stone, you like the judge Catholicism by judging me and my faults. If we judge Protestantism by your behavior, the religion is a foul disgrace.
No Catholic leader has said "I am the Christ". There's no Christ but Christ. You deny Christs book. You are saying your pope and his cult is the new christ.
If we judge Protestantism by your behavior, the religion is a foul disgrace. Not true. You're not a real Catholic. You have adopted some of their practices into you personal I know God cult. Now go ahead and address every point I made. I made several excellent points. For example if Mary hears all prayers in every language? Or about Jesus being the only to go to to get to God. Not babylonian queen of heaven cult satanic bullshit lies.
What about praying to Mary in violatoin of scripture. That was before Vatican II. The Catholics have been perverting scripture for centuries before Vatican II.
You wont because you are stumped and looking quite dumb.
What do you think "pray to" means? Hint: it doesn't mean "worship". It means "ask". Catholics ask Mary to pray FOR them. e.g.: "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death. Amen." Mary is asked to pray to God for us, just as we ask other people to pray for us. She is not dead.
Mark 7:9, 13 Yep. And you have a tradition that your book is the be all and end all of divine revelation. God never said that, and it is manifestly not true, considering the various revelations God has made SINCE then. But nope, you cling tight to your mere tradition that it's all in the book, and blind yourself to what God has done since, even calling it Satanic.
Mary was always a revered figure in the Catholic Church as well as other Christian denominations. She became recognized as a Saint in the Dark Ages and therefore close to God and Jesus. Believers aren't praying TO Mary, rather they come to her for solace.
Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
My book has 9 additional books in it that you people cut out of it fifteen hundred years after the fact, because they conflict with the theology that you want to believe. So yes, YOUR book. Even your book contains a lot of truth, but your pretensions that it contains all the truth and all revelation, forbidding God to reveal anything new or perform any public miracles (even though he HAS), is idolatry. It's repeating the error of the Jews.
See, you're doing it again. That passage in Acts is talking about Jesus. And here you go, pretending that your book IS Jesus. That is idolatry, pure and simple.
Could you please post the chapters in your book that we supposedly cut out? On a separate thread please. Vic I may come across as hating you. I don't. You have me curious how someone could believe what to me is nonsense. That is why I give you a hard time. When I talked about your fruit above. I pointed that out because it did come out of your mind. I've said similar stuff so I am not without fault.
Of course it is talking about Jesus. My point is you are going to Mary and praying to her who can't hear you because she is dead instead of to Jesus as instructed by Jesus Christ himself. You skipped a lot of hard questions. That means you have no answers for them and I am right. Like does Mary hear everyones prayers in every language all over the earth? Don't be a pussy answer the question. Yes so I can blast your response because there is no adequate response you area capable of giving.
For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 You wuzzed out on this one too. Because it shows your position to be hollow bullshit.
Yes. And the truth is that revelation did not stop when the last words in the book were written, and God did not stop interacting with the world and sending emissaries. But you pretend that he did, and that everything is in the book. There's ENOUGH in the book, to be sure. It's a matter of following Jesus, who said to feed the poor, shelter the homeless, heal the sick, visit the prisoner, take care of the widowed and the orphan. But you twist the book to say that this is purely voluntary (it isn't) and that people getting together through the institutions they control (e.g. government)is contrary to God, which it isn't. Your religion fits the contours of your political beliefs - and where your political beliefs don't match what Jesus said, you don't see it at all and genuinely assert that your book says exactly what your politics believes. This is the great sin and obvious howling error of American political evangelism. By comparison, I recognize and freely admit that my bloodyminded militaristic urge to kill my enemies certainly stems from my upbringing, military training, and long military service. I recognize that it is not in accordance with Jesus, and that it is a struggle between my personality, and the expressed will of my God. It is something that I struggle with. You evince no struggle at all in squaring your book with your politics. The difference between you and me is that you call me out with loud braying every single place where my humanity shows through and I depart, in anger (or in lust) from what the Savior said was right. By contrast, I don't generally call you out in the same way, and if I were to, you would deny that there is any difference between what the Savior said and your political beliefs, even though the daylight shining through that gap is obvious to anybody who looks. Also, the fact that God has touched me with miracles and I am unashamed to speak about them seems to drive you nuts. It's a recurring theme that you mention them - not the broken neck healed - but the two little animals - you return to them over and over. You use these things as a point of ridicule, but I think they spook you. As in: why would God do that for that CATHOLIC who doesn't even properly believe in my BOOK, and not for me? That's what's going on in your head. But I let you beat on me with it over and over without saying anything in return. Until this morning.
She became recognized as a saint.... That is not the way it works. The saints are the christains. It is as simple as that. They are living. It is not something bestowed on you by popes who worship the pagan babylonian queen of heaven. Who is not Mary of the Bible mother of Jesus.
I agree with that. God still works in this world. Miracles still happen. People are healed. But it is also true that Mary is dead. Judgement didn't come yet so she is still dead. Enoch is the only one who didn't die and is still alive and will probably return some day if my reading comprehension is correct.
16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. 17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. 18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. 19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? 20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying, 21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and came it not into his mind? 22 So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day. 23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day. 24 Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the word of the Lord, all Judah that are in the land of Egypt: 25 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows. 26 Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the Lord, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord God liveth. 27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them. 28 Yet a small number that escape the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah, and all the remnant of Judah, that are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall know whose words shall stand, mine, or their's. 29 And this shall be a sign unto you, saith the Lord, that I will punish you in this place, that ye may know that my words shall surely stand against you for evil: 30 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will give Pharaohhophra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies, and into the hand of them that seek his life; as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, his enemy, and that sought his life. Poor Judah, poor Egypt, poor Pharaohhophra. And what has this to do with thee and me?
It is voluntary in the sense that is is our personal responsibility to do those things. Not to have the government do those things in your individual place. How is letting the government give out welfare the same as what you said?
The book of Sirach, the book of Wisdom, the book of Judith, the book of Tobit, the books of 1 Maccabbees and 2 Maccabbees, about half of the book of Daniel - all present in the oldest complete Bible, all excised by Martin Luther and his ilk.
My religion came before I even thought about politics. My politics are based on what God taught in the Bible. So you have me pegged incorrectly.
If you post it in a separate thread I will read it or at least some of it as it is obviously long.
Christ never wrote anything. It's a book. I listen very carefully to Christ's words IN the portions of the book that contain them (which are, to be specific: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, the first two or three chapters of Acts, Revelation, and one single line in one of Paul's letters. I note the extent to which Christ spoke about taking care of the poor and sick. I then compare that to the politics espoused by Protestants such as yourself, and I wonder how you can think that way and claim Christ, just as you wonder how I can be so bloodyminded and militaristic and claim Christ. The difference is that I recognize that I am a sinner and have to fight both my bloodlust and my plain old lust for beautiful flesh. But you and yours actually believe yourselves to be right and godly when you oppose aid to the poor if it doesn't come through your churches. It's mind-bogglingly blind.
I don't know. And neither do you.
Like I said I only bring that up to say why should I believe someone who is saying things that are in the Bible are not true. Then saying things that are without scriptural basis and in fact in contradiction of scripture is Gods word. So I am like why should I believe this guy when the abundence of his heart seems to be murder me and others.
Mary is not dead. Neither are the Apostles, the saints and the rest of the dead. You are very much mistaken. They are alive, elsewhere, in Gan Eden/Paradise or Gehenna/Purgatory/"Hell".
Yes I know. Since it is appointed to man once to die then comes judgement. Since judgement day hasn't come yet Mary is still dead and can't hear shit. Also For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 Notice not Mary. No where in the Bible does it say Mary is Holy. It never says to pray to her. It never says she has Gods power to hear all prayers in every language. But since you admit you don't know and she didn't speak english. Do you think she hears your prayers?
That is true according to you and it isn't in the Bible. Jesus never said a word about it. But Paul is a liar according to what you have said in the past.
He never said Purgatory. So you add to scripture like the Catholics.
I try to turn the other cheek and not bring up your over-the-top behavior, because judging your God by the way you behave, I wouldn't want anything to do with him or his religion. It's really easy to reject virtually any human being for human weakness. We are imperfect. Lord knows I am. I don't generally skewer you personally for your graceless behavior, because I think it's wrong to do so. But if I copy you, your vitriolic behavior renders Protestantism and angry religion of poop-flinging apes with very poor reading comprehension, who make no allowance for human weakness and oblivious to their own raging unChristian fury. There. How does that feel? It doesn't even feel like a slap to you, because you are oblivious to your offensive behavior, and actually think that it's "righteous wrath". Pharisees and idolators.
He did, over and over: Gehenna is Purgatory, but it's function. "Until the last penny is paid." Until means "not forever".
IF you said only that God healed your broken neck. I wouldn't challenge you even if I didn't completely believe you. I may even believe you. In my family before i met my wife when she was a kid. Her family tells me of how her sister had a severe medical condition. Her father prayed and gave up alcohol and became a preacher because they tell me she was healed and the tumor was completely gone never to return. I didn't witness that but I believe it. But when you go around talking about rats and lizards being raised from the dead. That is a bridge to far for me.
You and your ilk are the sorts who like to call people who are wrong about something "liars". I don't. Paul was not right about a great many things in his life. He was a fanatic and a murderer before he converted, then he was a fanatic for what he believed, and that's fine, but it caused him to state some things in ways that diverge from what Jesus said. Also, Paul, the Pharisee, was incredibly impressed, still, with the who Jewish apparatus, and continued to exalt it (and to insert features of it into Christianity), where Jesus did not do so. But this is not a discussion we can have. We cannot simultaneously discuss text from an academic viewpoint and fling poop at each other. That doesn't work. If you're going to fling poop, and I'm flinging it back you personally, for once, we're not going to bring in Scripture in a serious discussion.
Good conversation. My behavior is over the top sometimes. Sometimes I like to get reactions out of people by saying stuff. I should do better. But that doesn't excuse any of your denying Scripture and adding to it. Vic I just like the truth and I consider the Bible to be true. So when you go around saying Mary is alive and such nonsense. *It contradicts scriputure and I wonder why someone who says the believe in God is willing to say the Bible is full of truth and also lies. What you call God must be cruel not giving us a clear truth. Having to add to the word and subtract and change babylonian tradition about the queen of the earth into Mary of the Bible in order to convert people back then.
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Uh. You have quoted zero scripture. You have made excuses why scripture doesn't mean what it says. You make stuff up like purgatory and praying to Mary. Ok you didn't make it up personally but you believe the crap in contradiction to Gods word found in the Bible and only the Bible.
Factually wrong. Jesus came back to convert Saul to become the Apostle Paul on the road to Damascus. Paul went on to defeat Peter, the alleged first Roman pontiff, in a major theological battle over the conversion of Gentiles at the council of Jerusalem.
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#71. To: Vicomte13 (#60)
Paul doesn't have the final word. God sent Mary repeatedly to earth - the only person he has seny back since Jesus ascended.
#72. To: Vicomte13 (#60)
#73. To: A K A Stone (#62)
What verse is that? Oh it isn't in the Bible.
#74. To: A K A Stone (#63)
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#64)
#76. To: Vicomte13 (#74)
Mary has never said "I am the Christ." It's always perfectly obvious she is Christ's mother, calling people to her son.
#77. To: Vicomte13 (#75)
A K A Stone, you like the judge Catholicism by judging me and my faults.
#78. To: IbJensen (#69)
Everything that happened during and after Vatican II, including the popes during that dark time is invalid.
#79. To: All (#77)
Now go ahead and address every point I made. I made several excellent points.
#80. To: A K A Stone (#66)
No you are not right about this and neither are the idiot Catholics. You pray to her not God. The Mary you pray of is not the Mary of the Bible.
#81. To: A K A Stone (#67)
And he said unto them, Full well ye REJECT the commandment of God, that ye may KEEP your own tradition. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
#82. To: A K A Stone (#78)
What about praying to Mary in violatoin of scripture. That was before Vatican II.
#83. To: A K A Stone (#68)
"something in your book" It isn't your book is it.
#84. To: A K A Stone (#70)
Neither is there salvation in ANY other: for there is NONE other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12
#85. To: Vicomte13 (#83)
My book has 9 additional books in it that you people cut out of it fifteen hundred years after the fact, because they conflict with the theology that you want to believe.
#86. To: Vicomte13 (#84)
That passage in Acts is talking about Jesus. And here you go, pretending that your book IS Jesus. That is idolatry, pure and simple.
#87. To: Vicomte13 (#80)
#88. To: A K A Stone (#71)
Jesus said, "They that worship the Father must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH." We have to worship God according to the truth.
#89. To: IbJensen (#82)
She became recognized as a Saint
#90. To: Vicomte13 (#88)
Yes. And the truth is that revelation did not stop when the last words in the book were written, and God did not stop interacting with the world
#91. To: A K A Stone (#72)
5 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,
#92. To: Vicomte13 (#88)
It's a matter of following Jesus, who said to feed the poor, shelter the homeless, heal the sick, visit the prisoner, take care of the widowed and the orphan. But you twist the book to say that this is purely voluntary (it isn't) and that people getting together through the institutions they control (e.g. government)is contrary to God, which it isn't.
#93. To: A K A Stone (#85)
#94. To: Vicomte13 (#88)
Your religion fits the contours of your political beliefs - and where your political beliefs don't match what Jesus said, you don't see it at all and genuinely assert that your book says exactly what your politics believes. This is the great sin and obvious howling error of American political evangelism.
#95. To: Vicomte13 (#93)
The book of Sirach, the book of Wisdom, the book of Judith, the book of Tobit, the books of 1 Maccabbees and 2 Maccabbees, about half of the book of Daniel - all present in the oldest complete Bible, all excised by Martin Luther and his ilk.
#96. To: A K A Stone (#76)
You deny Christs book. You are saying your pope and his cult is the new christ.
#97. To: A K A Stone (#86)
Like does Mary hear everyones prayers in every language all over the earth? Don't be a pussy answer the question.
#98. To: Vicomte13 (#88)
By comparison, I recognize and freely admit that my bloodyminded militaristic urge to kill my enemies certainly stems from my upbringing, military training, and long military service. I recognize that it is not in accordance with Jesus, and that it is a struggle between my personality, and the expressed will of my God. It is something that I struggle with.
#99. To: A K A Stone (#90)
But it is also true that Mary is dead.
#100. To: Vicomte13 (#97)
I don't know. And neither do you.
#101. To: Vicomte13 (#99)
Purgatory
#102. To: Vicomte13 (#96)
I listen very carefully to Christ's words IN the portions of the book that contain them
#103. To: A K A Stone (#98)
Like I said I only bring that up to say why should I believe someone who is saying things that are in the Bible are not true.
#104. To: A K A Stone (#102)
He never said Purgatory. So you add to scripture like the Catholics.
#105. To: Vicomte13 (#88)
Also, the fact that God has touched me with miracles and I am unashamed to speak about them seems to drive you nuts.
#106. To: A K A Stone (#101)
But Paul is a liar according to what you have said in the past.
#107. To: Vicomte13 (#103)
#108. To: Vicomte13 (#106)
but it caused him to state some things in ways that diverge from what Jesus said.
#109. To: Vicomte13 (#106)
But this is not a discussion we can have. We cannot simultaneously discuss text from an academic viewpoint and fling poop at each other. That doesn't work. If you're going to fling poop, and I'm flinging it back you personally, for once, we're not going to bring in Scripture in a serious discussion.
#110. To: Vicomte13 (#60)
Paul doesn't have the final word. God sent Mary repeatedly to earth - the only person he has seny back since Jesus ascended.
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