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Title: Chelsea Clinton's dubious 'earnings' She made big bucks in chemicals and TV, courtesy of nepotism, not skill
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Published: Jan 8, 2020
Author: Tammy Bruce
Post Date: 2020-01-08 09:05:57 by IbJensen
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With all the talk about Hunter Biden these days, one might get the impression that he is the only child of a politician to benefit from his parents’ position and the last name they inherited. Before Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden, got his strange but lucrative deal to sit on the board of energy company Burisma Holdings in Ukraine to the tune of $50,000 a month, there was Chelsea Clinton, the only child of former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She was similarly rewarded with jobs and board positions that had absolutely no relationship with that young woman’s interests, life, education or any perceived expertise. All of this has racked up to what the New York Post reported back in 2015 was an estimated net worth of $15 million for the then-34-year-old. More recently, Barron’s, the finance newspaper, revealed that Chelsea Clinton has now reaped $9 million from a corporate board position. In 2011, while her mother was still secretary of state, she was appointed to IAC/Interactive, an Internet investment company. She receives an annual $50,000 retainer and $250,000 worth of restricted IAC stock units, according to Barron’s. Ironically, and something the Clintons would be loathed to admit, they like most other American families benefitted from President Donald Trump’s leadership and correlating economic renaissance. The Hill reported, “IAC stock has risen 89%, 50% and 36% in 2017, 2018 and 2019, respectively, a far steeper rise in the broader stock market Consequently, Chelsea Clinton reported in December of last year her holdings ballooned to $8.95 million. In 2017, Chelsea Clinton was also named to travel site Expedia’s Board of Directors. Because she’s a … business genius? A travel genius? An investment prodigy? The Hill
Poster Comment: The Clintons are racketeers and murderers. The pile of dead bodies they leave behind them in their unhindered quest for illegal riches should be enough to lock the three of them away for 50 years. Incidentally, Chelsea is absolutely ghastly looking and watching her speak is like a Disney cartoon come to life. Her comments are always vacuously stupid.
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#1. To: IbJensen (#0)
Families look after their children. I see nothing wrong with that, as long as it is not illegal. Companies giving Chelsea Clinton board roles to have access to her famous and powerful parents is not illegal. So what's the issue, then, jealousy?
Are you out of your mind asking me a question like that? I recall thinking you were an asshole after reading some of your blurbs, but that comment puts you in the asshole category. That, of course, puts you in bed with the Democrat-Communist Party which you might enjoy.
Vic is a hardcore Catholic. They are always more sympathetic to monarchy, the very lifeblood of nepotism vs. meritocracy. Part and parcel of Catholic dogma over the centuries. The only surprise would be if he wasn't. And, yes, if he could advance his daughter's prospects by underhanded behavior or influence peddling, he would do it in a heartbeat and have no qualms about it. You might as well act shocked that your dog gobbled up a piece of steak that fell on the floor during a meal. They might feign some guilt but they don't feel any in that circumstance.
No reason to drag Catholicism into the mix. I just think it's natural for family to love family, and the grouse - for example - that "Trump got all of his money from his daddy!", as if that delegitimizes him, delegitimizes the commentator who raises the point, as far as I am concerned. So what? That's what family is SUPPOSED to do: take care of their own, pass the knowledge, experience and wealth down through the ages. Support each generation so they get further. The people who kick their kids out at 18 and tell them they are on their own are the real cocksuckers, as far as I am concerned. Anything they build will die with them, and their children will start adulthood at a crippling disadvantage. Would I resort to DISHONEST methods to advance my daughter in her sport? Say, poisoning the opponents? Of course not. And that's not "Catholic" either. I want her to win on her own merits. But I will certainly, and do certainly, use my money to make sure she gets the best training, has the best equipment, and gets to travel to all of the important tournaments. Others of lesser means cannot necessarily do that. I don't look down on them, but I'm not going to hold back on what I can do for mine just because somebody else cannot do the same. And I think that any normal right-thinking person does the same. Which is WHY I think that broad social welfare needs to be done through government policies. It is not natural to give away enough of what we have to actually make a difference and pull everybody up out of poverty. We want to help, and will, but not to the extent that it cuts into what we want to do for ourselves and our own children. It works against our proper instincts. Having the state do it moves the burden off of individuals, who simply won't do enough, and put it in the hands of a structure that can extract what is necessary from an unwilling population to make sure that the bottom are not left in abject wretchedness. I don't support socialism, because that takes TOO MUCH, seeks to pull the top down and the bottom up, so they are equal in resources. That is intolerable (not the dream of equality, but the forcible creation of it). No. It is well that those at the bottom be lifted out of MISERY and placed in a position where they have adequate (not luxurious) housing, adequate heating, adequate health care, healthful food, and where their children have good educations, so they can rise out of the poverty by their own efforts, being properly equipped. That's expensive, but proper. BEYOND that, where the Communists and Socialists want to go, is NOT proper. Beyond that, I want the remaining of my resources for myself, MY family, MY causes (or lack thereof). My Catholicism means that I cannot be so selfish that I ignore the plight of the bottom, and want ADEQUATE coverage of them, and GOOD education for their children. But it stops there. After that, God gave ME a family to look after, and that's MY job. Accumulating resources to have independence at the end of career, and so that my daughter can enjoy greater independence and opportunity early: this is normal and right - what ELSE are we supposed to be doing with our talents. Breaking the opponents' knees, a la Tonya Harding? No. That's wrong. Nepotism - favoring one's own - is giving a leg up, it's not breaking somebody else's knees. That's why I don't mind it. Of course, if a child or a colleague is a wastrel, one does not press that person upward to fail. One recalibrates. Most people aren't wastels, and most jobs are such that it hardly matters who is in it. Why, then, not my own? I suppose there are people who really believe it's a virtue to treat family the same as everybody else, and who toss their kids out at age 18 and tell them they are on their own. And people like that praise each other, I guess. If it's "Catholic" to not be like that, then it's one more example where Catholicism is a good thing. And no, I have no problem with the royal families of the world. To stay royal, they have to please their people, and they do tend to hold their countries together.
Vic you said you supported a global welfare system where we give our tax dollars to foreigners. You said that and were quite dogmatic about it. That is what commie socialists think.
I think that we are all cousins, literally blood relatives, through Adam and Eve, and Noah and Na'amah. As such we have a certain responsibility to every human being on earth, that they not live in misery, squalor and die young for preventable reasons. My comments above, about adequate (not luxurious) housing, health care, nutritious food and a decent education for children (so they can rise and be productive) is a human minimum that humanity owes to all of its members, irrespective of their ability, or the ability of their parents, to pay. Where they can't pay, at the moment, it needs to be extended as welfare, with the education such that they can find work in whatever field and eventually pay it forward. If you want to call that Socialism, or Communism, or whatever, you can. I call it "Christianity", because it's what Christ demanded of us: feed the hungry, house the homeless, heal the sick - that's full on Jesus, and everybody who is a Christian knows that already. There is certainly more than enough money in the world to do THAT, and still have a vibrant capitalist economy - indeed a MORE vibrant one, because of all of the new construction, education, and jobs. The poorest parts of the world lack sufficient wealth to get this done, so the wealthier parts of the world need to fund it, yes. As before, I do not speak of people living in luxury. One must be rich to do that. I speak only of the basic needs of all mankind. Jesus commanded us to look to those. I agree with him, and I find it puzzling when self- described "Christians" don't.
I speak only of the basic needs of all mankind. Jesus commanded us to look to those. I agree with him, and I find it puzzling when self- described "Christians" don't. Christ commanded the church, the local church, to feed the hungry, house the homeless, heal the sick. Not a global welfare system of any kind. A global system, such as the one the Pope is calling for, is an attempt to reunite the world against God, after He scattered the people and confused their language at the Tower of Babel. Jesus said: "The poor you will always have with you..." Part of what God is telling us here is that, because of the rebellion of man against God, there will always be poverty. There will always be multitudes of humanity who cannot be 'given' anything, because they will use what you give them to further distance themselves from God. Try giving a poverty stricken drunk some money, clothing, a car, a house...he'll just trade it for a bottle. But the local church can and does create shelters where such a man can come when he's ready. Here's a Christian work in Newark, NJ This mission would be a disaster if operated by a global (or even a local) government.
There are nowhere near enough shelters to house everyone, and there is not enough private charity to feed everyone who needs it, and the Churches don't heal the sick at all - that's a massively expensive undertaking. So no, Church is not good enough. It's not enough, and it never has been.
My wife was a medical missionary (Zambia) before we married. There are thousands of Christian medical staff all over the world, overseen by the local churches through sending ministries. Surgery, dentistry, general medicine, the whole nine. Even so, yes, it's not enough. But what has the WHO really done. Or any other alphabet org. How could any existing global organization lift every one up to, say, the American standard of living? Take a look at Rhodesia, where the government took fully developed farms! away from one group of people and gave them to another...mass starvation. Now imagine that globally. But guess who's going to give it a shot...the ole anti-christ hisself is going to do it, with the world believing that he is god. So when you say global welfare you are singing his tune. You may not have to wait too long to see him promise the world that he'll lift everyone up to heaven-on-earth status.
And Vic will be right there, lecturing all of us about how deficient and horrible we are and how that nice Antichrist guy gets a bad rap. We'll hear the same crap from the False Prophet, either Pope Frank or one of his successors.
No way! Vic will recognize that AC guy, thanks to me lecturing HIM right here on this forum :-)
I don't doubt your ability to convince him. I doubt your ability to persuade him not to support that kind poor-lovin' Antichrist handing out goodies left and right. Recall that scripture says plainly that the vast majority of the church(es) will fall away and follow the Antichrist willingly and they will aid the Antichrist's government in persecuting the Remainder.
I doubt your ability to persuade him not to support that kind poor-lovin' Antichrist handing out goodies left and right. Recall that scripture says plainly that the vast majority of the church(es) will fall away and follow the Antichrist willingly and they will aid the Antichrist's government in persecuting the Remainder. Well, TC, only the Holy Spirit can reach Vic, or any of us, for that matter. My ability to persuade has faded with time, and certainly in written form, as anyone can see by my attempts at posting... I am not a writer but a speaker and neither if you consult my harshest critic (my wife). The church is indeed fallen away (primarily through the spiritual condition of Laodicea). We Christians are aiding the rise of the AC by not loving the true. We have convinced ourselves that we are rich, and have need of nothing. It's quite evident. The false believers will certainly be lost but the true Christians WILL wake up (probably too late, but they will wake up).
Maybe. The impression I get is that Christians will wake up one day, see an Antichrist dictator on TV, and mention it at church and discover that 90% of their "brethren" are ready to turn them in to the new world government as subversives. The true Christians won't be suddenly surprised by the Antichrist. They will be the only ones who see him coming a mile away. The False Prophet is the tipoff that the Antichrist is near. It parallels how John the Baptist foreshadowed the appearance of Christ. Scripture indicates that the Remnant will be an extremely small portion of those who claim to be Christian. Like 1% or less. People never really believe that that "strait is the gate and narrow...the way" stuff applies to them.
The true Christians won't be suddenly surprised by the Antichrist. They will be the only ones who see him coming a mile away. The False Prophet is the tipoff that the Antichrist is near. It parallels how John the Baptist foreshadowed the appearance of Christ. Scripture indicates that the Remnant will be an extremely small portion of those who claim to be Christian. Like 1% or less. People never really believe that that "strait is the gate and narrow...the way" stuff applies to them. You really see this all the literal script of a movie to come. You're absolutely certain of that things will be just exactly that way, because that is what you really see in those pages. It is very difficult to wrap one's head around that, that you folks are really not posturing, you're really not speaking in metaphors or coded language to each other - that you literally think this is the script of the future. Of course it's very hard to communicate across this gap. What makes it harder is that you're similarly absolutely certain that even those of us who try to are "of the world", and thralls of the anti-Christ, and you speak to us with such condescension and hostility...hostility that you folks call "love" (completely flipping the meaning of that word from anything recognizable). Of course this "love" provokes an equally, or more, sarcastic reaction, and the enmity builds between "the world" and you folks - and you wouldn't have it any other way. I've always tried hard to keep a bridge across that gulf, but I do have to ask myself why I do it. I do not believe pretty much anything you believe. I read the same book (well, yours is an abridged version, but the abridgements barely matter), and I come away with a completely different point of view (which you folks will ascribe to being "lost" and to the Devil). Politically, the hardening of the positions has gotten more acute over the years. I remember how vilified I was by you "Christians" over my strong support for Trump back in the primaries. I remember being told how immoral he was, and how, therefore, immoral and un-Christian I was for supporting him. I listen very carefully to you folks when you talk, and I remember what you've said over the years. And when I look at it as a tableau, what I see is a remarkably inconsistent and utterly self-serving pattern of flip- flops and changes of heart, compared to which I look at myself and see somebody who has been as constant as the sun about the things that are right and true. There is not much in common between Catholics and you guys, not really. And what little there is arises practically by accident. I guess what we do have in common is that we're both certain that we're the genuine People of God, that we have it right, and that God is with us. Nothing you've said to me on this and other threads has ever done anything more than deepen that certitude. The level of vituperation that comes out of you "Christians", the legalism that amounts to nullification of the social responsibility of Christians to do anything more than they personally feel like doing - none of it sounds to me remotely like Christ. So I think I'll just leave it at that. Your beliefs are a well-developed script, that's how you see it, nothing on the earth or in the heavens is going to change your mind, and you don't want us "people of the world" mingled with you, because we might lead you astray. For my part, I simply don't like being talked to the way you folks always talk to me, with this supercilious air as though you know something I don't know, have read something I haven't read. I've read the same book, and honestly, you sound like cartoon villains. I'm taking my leave of Liberty's Flame again for awhile. Even the other Catholic here, Anthem (I think he's Catholic), was raging at me in full asshole mode the other day. What's the point of listening to this? The world goes on. Bye for now.
Believe it or not, I did 8 years of Catholic grade school back during Vatican II and was even an altar boy doing the Latin Mass... Fallen away now for a variety of reasons, but it still rubs me the wrong way when someone launches into their "The Pope is the AntiChrist" bullshit... So just to let you know, you & Anthem aren't the only Catholics around here... (even if I only qualify as a former Catholic, those nuns made sure I was never gonna convert to something else. LOL)
Rome sits on 7 mountains as I understand it. The Roman church is blasphemous in their worship of sinner Mary the non virgin. The pope is a false teacher and is probably the false prophet. 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. The Mystery Explained 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. The Victory of the Lamb 14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Catholics don't worship Mary... They only worship God... However, as the Mother of Christ, Mary does merit special status of honor & respect within Catholic doctrine... So if you really want to risk eternal hellfire & damnation by being so disrespectful of Christ's Mother, that's your problem, not mine... I already knew years ago that it was pointless to try to convert you.... Especially when I have my own reasons for no longer believing in these ancient myths & fairy tales.
They pray to Mary. prayer /prer/ Learn to pronounce noun a solemn request for help or expression of thanks addressed to God or an object of worship. So is she a God or an object of worship?
She's an intermediary... They know she's already in heaven, so they're just asking her to put in a good word with God for them.... They figure since she's Christ's Mom, she must have some kind of influence in these matters... But they still aren't actually worshipping her.
She is dead. She can't hear shit. The resurrection takes place in the future when Christ returns according to the Bible. There is not one single bible verse that says to pray to a dead sinner. Not one verse about an intermediary to pray to. Anyone who thinks dead Mary hears their prayers is a stupid person. They are also a person who doesn't believe the Bible because as I pointed out she is dead and there has been no resurrection as yet. They add to scripture and pervert the word of God. Idiots. She's dead Jim.
If Mary is any sort of spiritual intermediary, then Paul was a liar when he wrote his first letter to Timothy:
Paul doesn't have the final word. God sent Mary repeatedly to earth - the only person he has seny back since Jesus ascended. He sent her to Guadelupe, and thereby rapidly effected the conversion of the Mesoamerican and Latin American Indians to the faith of Jesus. He sent her to Lourdes, and the healing miracles still proliferate. Your great theological error is to close off God's interactions with man with the end of the Bible. He has continued to do so, with miracle and with visitations. The public visitations, the person sent from Heaven for these things, is Mary. Over and over. So yeah, the Catholics are right about this. You're like a Jew resisting Jesus. God manifestly does something new, it's not in your book, so you deny it. Some of your ilk even ascribe the actions of God to Satan. Jesus warned against doing that.
This is in my book. They way you said that it was like an insult. Like it isn't your book. Jesus said, "They that worship the Father must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH." We have to worship God according to the truth. God will not accept worship based on a lie.
Yes. And the truth is that revelation did not stop when the last words in the book were written, and God did not stop interacting with the world and sending emissaries. But you pretend that he did, and that everything is in the book. There's ENOUGH in the book, to be sure. It's a matter of following Jesus, who said to feed the poor, shelter the homeless, heal the sick, visit the prisoner, take care of the widowed and the orphan. But you twist the book to say that this is purely voluntary (it isn't) and that people getting together through the institutions they control (e.g. government)is contrary to God, which it isn't. Your religion fits the contours of your political beliefs - and where your political beliefs don't match what Jesus said, you don't see it at all and genuinely assert that your book says exactly what your politics believes. This is the great sin and obvious howling error of American political evangelism. By comparison, I recognize and freely admit that my bloodyminded militaristic urge to kill my enemies certainly stems from my upbringing, military training, and long military service. I recognize that it is not in accordance with Jesus, and that it is a struggle between my personality, and the expressed will of my God. It is something that I struggle with. You evince no struggle at all in squaring your book with your politics. The difference between you and me is that you call me out with loud braying every single place where my humanity shows through and I depart, in anger (or in lust) from what the Savior said was right. By contrast, I don't generally call you out in the same way, and if I were to, you would deny that there is any difference between what the Savior said and your political beliefs, even though the daylight shining through that gap is obvious to anybody who looks. Also, the fact that God has touched me with miracles and I am unashamed to speak about them seems to drive you nuts. It's a recurring theme that you mention them - not the broken neck healed - but the two little animals - you return to them over and over. You use these things as a point of ridicule, but I think they spook you. As in: why would God do that for that CATHOLIC who doesn't even properly believe in my BOOK, and not for me? That's what's going on in your head. But I let you beat on me with it over and over without saying anything in return. Until this morning.
I agree with that. God still works in this world. Miracles still happen. People are healed. But it is also true that Mary is dead. Judgement didn't come yet so she is still dead. Enoch is the only one who didn't die and is still alive and will probably return some day if my reading comprehension is correct.
Mary is not dead. Neither are the Apostles, the saints and the rest of the dead. You are very much mistaken. They are alive, elsewhere, in Gan Eden/Paradise or Gehenna/Purgatory/"Hell".
That is true according to you and it isn't in the Bible. Jesus never said a word about it. But Paul is a liar according to what you have said in the past.
Uh-huh. Paul, who was the only human converted by Jesus after his ascent to heaven, is considered by Count Vicula to be inferior in authority to Jesus' baby-mama, Mary who the Count claims has converted millions. Notice how the Count never gives Jesus even the slightest credit for converting any of those souls. It's all for the glory of the Queen of Heaven, Mary. Yet scripture never mentions her as having any spiritual authority whatsoever and Jesus merely assigned disciples to help care for her after His own death. Funny how that works.
She always came in the name of her son, and always called people to follow her son, and they did. You calumniate a messenger of God with your nonsense.
You'd worship her as the Queen of Heaven (and the Immaculate Queen of the Universe, as the sedevecantists do) if the Romans had just nailed one of her bloody tampons to a cross. Were it possible, the Mariolatrists would replace Jesus altogether. Certainly, they make little mention of Him at any time. It's all "Mary, Mary, quite contrary (to scripture)" with you lot.
That's novel. Keep it up, please. Keep heaping derision on Mary.
#130. To: Vicomte13 (#127)
Every time you elevate Mary, you diminish Jesus Himself. Can Jesus do anything without his baby-mama? Anything at all? Catholics elevate Mary to the point that she replaces the Father/Son/Spirit entirely in their minds. You know it's true.
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#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
So what's the issue, then, jealousy?
#5. To: IbJensen, Vicomte13 (#2)
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I recall thinking you were an asshole after reading some of your blurbs, but that comment puts you in the asshole category. That, of course, puts you in bed with the Democrat-Communist Party which you might enjoy.
#6. To: Tooconservative (#5)
The only surprise would be if he wasn't. And, yes, if he could advance his daughter's prospects by underhanded behavior or influence peddling, he would do it in a heartbeat and have no qualms about it. You might as well act shocked that your dog gobbled up a piece of steak that fell on the floor during a meal. They might feign some guilt but they don't feel any in that circumstance.
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
I don't support socialism, because that takes TOO MUCH,
#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Vic you said you supported a global welfare system where we give our tax dollars to foreigners. You said that and were quite dogmatic about it. That is what commie socialists think.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
I call it "Christianity", because it's what Christ demanded of us: feed the hungry, house the homeless, heal the sick - that's full on Jesus, and everybody who is a Christian knows that already.
1Now the whole world had one language and a common speech...3They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; 5But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.8”So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. Gen. 11
#10. To: watchman (#9)
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
and the Churches don't heal the sick at all - that's a massively expensive undertaking.
#12. To: watchman (#11)
But guess who's going to give it a shot...the ole anti-christ hisself is going to do it, with the world believing that he is god. So when you say global welfare you are singing his tune. You may not have to wait too long to see him promise the world that he'll lift everyone up to heaven-on-earth status.
#14. To: Tooconservative (#12)
And Vic will be right there, lecturing all of us...
#15. To: watchman (#14)
No way! Vic will recognize that AC guy, thanks to me lecturing HIM right here on this forum :-)
#16. To: Tooconservative (#15)
I don't doubt your ability to convince him.
#19. To: watchman (#16)
The false believers will certainly be lost but the true Christians WILL wake up (probably too late, but they will wake up).
#23. To: Tooconservative (#19)
Maybe. The impression I get is that Christians will wake up one day, see an Antichrist dictator on TV, and mention it at church and discover that 90% of their "brethren" are ready to turn them in to the new world government as subversives.
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
I'm taking my leave of Liberty's Flame again for awhile. Even the other Catholic here, Anthem (I think he's Catholic), was raging at me in full asshole mode the other day. What's the point of listening to this?
#27. To: Willie Green (#25)
"The Pope is the AntiChrist" bullshit...
#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)
The Roman church is blasphemous in their worship of sinner Mary the non virgin.
#29. To: Willie Green (#28)
Catholics don't worship Mary...
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
So is she a God or an object of worship?
#33. To: Willie Green (#31)
She's an intermediary... They know she's already in heaven,
#56. To: A K A Stone, Willy Green, (#33)
Given that Paul is the most prolific author of various books (epistles) in scripture and the most theological of the writers of NT scripture, Rome really can't elevate Mary to a position of co-Savior so easily. It is clear enough that they did this to aid in proselytizing those who belonged to ancient pagans who celebrated fertility goddesses, much as they have compromised scripture in other eras to hoodwink non-Christians into accepting the state religion of the Roman empire, namely Roman Catholicism.
5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,
#60. To: Tooconservative (#56)
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#71. To: Vicomte13 (#60)
Paul doesn't have the final word. God sent Mary repeatedly to earth - the only person he has seny back since Jesus ascended.
#88. To: A K A Stone (#71)
Jesus said, "They that worship the Father must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH." We have to worship God according to the truth.
#90. To: Vicomte13 (#88)
Yes. And the truth is that revelation did not stop when the last words in the book were written, and God did not stop interacting with the world
#99. To: A K A Stone (#90)
But it is also true that Mary is dead.
#101. To: Vicomte13 (#99)
Purgatory
#113. To: A K A Stone (#101)
That is true according to you and it isn't in the Bible. Jesus never said a word about it. But Paul is a liar according to what you have said in the past.
#117. To: Tooconservative (#113)
It's all for the glory of the Queen of Heaven, Mary.
#121. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#117)
She always came in the name of her son, and always called people to follow her son, and they did.
#127. To: Tooconservative (#121)
You'd worship her as the Queen of Heaven (and the Immaculate Queen of the Universe, as the sedevecantists do) if the Romans had just nailed one of her bloody tampons to a cross.
Replies to Comment # 127. Keep heaping derision on Mary.
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