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Title: Chelsea Clinton's dubious 'earnings' She made big bucks in chemicals and TV, courtesy of nepotism, not skill
Source: Washington Times
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Published: Jan 8, 2020
Author: Tammy Bruce
Post Date: 2020-01-08 09:05:57 by IbJensen
Keywords: None
Views: 24705
Comments: 162

With all the talk about Hunter Biden these days, one might get the impression that he is the only child of a politician to benefit from his parents’ position and the last name they inherited.

Before Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden, got his strange but lucrative deal to sit on the board of energy company Burisma Holdings in Ukraine to the tune of $50,000 a month, there was Chelsea Clinton, the only child of former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She was similarly rewarded with jobs and board positions that had absolutely no relationship with that young woman’s interests, life, education or any perceived expertise.

All of this has racked up to what the New York Post reported back in 2015 was an estimated net worth of $15 million for the then-34-year-old. More recently, Barron’s, the finance newspaper, revealed that Chelsea Clinton has now reaped $9 million from a corporate board position. In 2011, while her mother was still secretary of state, she was appointed to IAC/Interactive, an Internet investment company. She receives an annual $50,000 retainer and $250,000 worth of restricted IAC stock units, according to Barron’s.

Ironically, and something the Clintons would be loathed to admit, they like most other American families benefitted from President Donald Trump’s leadership and correlating economic renaissance.

The Hill reported, “IAC stock has risen 89%, 50% and 36% in 2017, 2018 and 2019, respectively, a far steeper rise in the broader stock market Consequently, Chelsea Clinton reported in December of last year her holdings ballooned to $8.95 million.

In 2017, Chelsea Clinton was also named to travel site Expedia’s Board of Directors. Because she’s a … business genius? A travel genius? An investment prodigy? The Hill


Poster Comment:

The Clintons are racketeers and murderers. The pile of dead bodies they leave behind them in their unhindered quest for illegal riches should be enough to lock the three of them away for 50 years.

Incidentally, Chelsea is absolutely ghastly looking and watching her speak is like a Disney cartoon come to life. Her comments are always vacuously stupid. (1 image)

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#80. To: A K A Stone (#66)

No you are not right about this and neither are the idiot Catholics. You pray to her not God. The Mary you pray of is not the Mary of the Bible.

What do you think "pray to" means? Hint: it doesn't mean "worship". It means "ask". Catholics ask Mary to pray FOR them.

e.g.: "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death. Amen."

Mary is asked to pray to God for us, just as we ask other people to pray for us. She is not dead.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   8:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: A K A Stone (#67)

And he said unto them, Full well ye REJECT the commandment of God, that ye may KEEP your own tradition. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Mark 7:9, 13

Yep. And you have a tradition that your book is the be all and end all of divine revelation. God never said that, and it is manifestly not true, considering the various revelations God has made SINCE then.

But nope, you cling tight to your mere tradition that it's all in the book, and blind yourself to what God has done since, even calling it Satanic.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   8:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: A K A Stone (#78)

What about praying to Mary in violatoin of scripture. That was before Vatican II.

Mary was always a revered figure in the Catholic Church as well as other Christian denominations. She became recognized as a Saint in the Dark Ages and therefore close to God and Jesus. Believers aren't praying TO Mary, rather they come to her for solace.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2020-01-13   8:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: A K A Stone (#68)

"something in your book" It isn't your book is it.

My book has 9 additional books in it that you people cut out of it fifteen hundred years after the fact, because they conflict with the theology that you want to believe.

So yes, YOUR book.

Even your book contains a lot of truth, but your pretensions that it contains all the truth and all revelation, forbidding God to reveal anything new or perform any public miracles (even though he HAS), is idolatry. It's repeating the error of the Jews.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   8:52:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: A K A Stone (#70)

Neither is there salvation in ANY other: for there is NONE other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

See, you're doing it again. That passage in Acts is talking about Jesus. And here you go, pretending that your book IS Jesus. That is idolatry, pure and simple.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   8:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Vicomte13 (#83)

My book has 9 additional books in it that you people cut out of it fifteen hundred years after the fact, because they conflict with the theology that you want to believe.

Could you please post the chapters in your book that we supposedly cut out?

On a separate thread please.

Vic I may come across as hating you. I don't. You have me curious how someone could believe what to me is nonsense. That is why I give you a hard time.

When I talked about your fruit above. I pointed that out because it did come out of your mind. I've said similar stuff so I am not without fault.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:03:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Vicomte13 (#84)

That passage in Acts is talking about Jesus. And here you go, pretending that your book IS Jesus. That is idolatry, pure and simple.

Of course it is talking about Jesus. My point is you are going to Mary and praying to her who can't hear you because she is dead instead of to Jesus as instructed by Jesus Christ himself.

You skipped a lot of hard questions. That means you have no answers for them and I am right.

Like does Mary hear everyones prayers in every language all over the earth? Don't be a pussy answer the question. Yes so I can blast your response because there is no adequate response you area capable of giving.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Vicomte13 (#80)

For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

You wuzzed out on this one too. Because it shows your position to be hollow bullshit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: A K A Stone (#71)

Jesus said, "They that worship the Father must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH." We have to worship God according to the truth.

Yes. And the truth is that revelation did not stop when the last words in the book were written, and God did not stop interacting with the world and sending emissaries. But you pretend that he did, and that everything is in the book.

There's ENOUGH in the book, to be sure. It's a matter of following Jesus, who said to feed the poor, shelter the homeless, heal the sick, visit the prisoner, take care of the widowed and the orphan. But you twist the book to say that this is purely voluntary (it isn't) and that people getting together through the institutions they control (e.g. government)is contrary to God, which it isn't.

Your religion fits the contours of your political beliefs - and where your political beliefs don't match what Jesus said, you don't see it at all and genuinely assert that your book says exactly what your politics believes. This is the great sin and obvious howling error of American political evangelism.

By comparison, I recognize and freely admit that my bloodyminded militaristic urge to kill my enemies certainly stems from my upbringing, military training, and long military service. I recognize that it is not in accordance with Jesus, and that it is a struggle between my personality, and the expressed will of my God. It is something that I struggle with.

You evince no struggle at all in squaring your book with your politics.

The difference between you and me is that you call me out with loud braying every single place where my humanity shows through and I depart, in anger (or in lust) from what the Savior said was right. By contrast, I don't generally call you out in the same way, and if I were to, you would deny that there is any difference between what the Savior said and your political beliefs, even though the daylight shining through that gap is obvious to anybody who looks.

Also, the fact that God has touched me with miracles and I am unashamed to speak about them seems to drive you nuts. It's a recurring theme that you mention them - not the broken neck healed - but the two little animals - you return to them over and over. You use these things as a point of ridicule, but I think they spook you. As in: why would God do that for that CATHOLIC who doesn't even properly believe in my BOOK, and not for me? That's what's going on in your head.

But I let you beat on me with it over and over without saying anything in return. Until this morning.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   9:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: IbJensen (#82)

She became recognized as a Saint

She became recognized as a saint....

That is not the way it works.

The saints are the christains. It is as simple as that. They are living. It is not something bestowed on you by popes who worship the pagan babylonian queen of heaven. Who is not Mary of the Bible mother of Jesus.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Vicomte13 (#88)

Yes. And the truth is that revelation did not stop when the last words in the book were written, and God did not stop interacting with the world

I agree with that. God still works in this world. Miracles still happen. People are healed.

But it is also true that Mary is dead. Judgement didn't come yet so she is still dead. Enoch is the only one who didn't die and is still alive and will probably return some day if my reading comprehension is correct.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#72)

5 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,

16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.

17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,

21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and came it not into his mind?

22 So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.

23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

24 Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the word of the Lord, all Judah that are in the land of Egypt:

25 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

26 Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the Lord, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord God liveth.

27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.

28 Yet a small number that escape the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah, and all the remnant of Judah, that are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall know whose words shall stand, mine, or their's.

29 And this shall be a sign unto you, saith the Lord, that I will punish you in this place, that ye may know that my words shall surely stand against you for evil:

30 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will give Pharaohhophra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies, and into the hand of them that seek his life; as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, his enemy, and that sought his life.

Poor Judah, poor Egypt, poor Pharaohhophra.

And what has this to do with thee and me?

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   9:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Vicomte13 (#88)

It's a matter of following Jesus, who said to feed the poor, shelter the homeless, heal the sick, visit the prisoner, take care of the widowed and the orphan. But you twist the book to say that this is purely voluntary (it isn't) and that people getting together through the institutions they control (e.g. government)is contrary to God, which it isn't.

It is voluntary in the sense that is is our personal responsibility to do those things. Not to have the government do those things in your individual place. How is letting the government give out welfare the same as what you said?

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: A K A Stone (#85)

The book of Sirach, the book of Wisdom, the book of Judith, the book of Tobit, the books of 1 Maccabbees and 2 Maccabbees, about half of the book of Daniel - all present in the oldest complete Bible, all excised by Martin Luther and his ilk.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   9:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Vicomte13 (#88)

Your religion fits the contours of your political beliefs - and where your political beliefs don't match what Jesus said, you don't see it at all and genuinely assert that your book says exactly what your politics believes. This is the great sin and obvious howling error of American political evangelism.

My religion came before I even thought about politics. My politics are based on what God taught in the Bible. So you have me pegged incorrectly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Vicomte13 (#93)

The book of Sirach, the book of Wisdom, the book of Judith, the book of Tobit, the books of 1 Maccabbees and 2 Maccabbees, about half of the book of Daniel - all present in the oldest complete Bible, all excised by Martin Luther and his ilk.

If you post it in a separate thread I will read it or at least some of it as it is obviously long.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: A K A Stone (#76)

You deny Christs book. You are saying your pope and his cult is the new christ.

Christ never wrote anything. It's a book.

I listen very carefully to Christ's words IN the portions of the book that contain them (which are, to be specific: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, the first two or three chapters of Acts, Revelation, and one single line in one of Paul's letters.

I note the extent to which Christ spoke about taking care of the poor and sick. I then compare that to the politics espoused by Protestants such as yourself, and I wonder how you can think that way and claim Christ, just as you wonder how I can be so bloodyminded and militaristic and claim Christ.

The difference is that I recognize that I am a sinner and have to fight both my bloodlust and my plain old lust for beautiful flesh. But you and yours actually believe yourselves to be right and godly when you oppose aid to the poor if it doesn't come through your churches. It's mind-bogglingly blind.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   9:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: A K A Stone (#86)

Like does Mary hear everyones prayers in every language all over the earth? Don't be a pussy answer the question.

I don't know. And neither do you.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   9:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Vicomte13 (#88)

By comparison, I recognize and freely admit that my bloodyminded militaristic urge to kill my enemies certainly stems from my upbringing, military training, and long military service. I recognize that it is not in accordance with Jesus, and that it is a struggle between my personality, and the expressed will of my God. It is something that I struggle with.

Like I said I only bring that up to say why should I believe someone who is saying things that are in the Bible are not true. Then saying things that are without scriptural basis and in fact in contradiction of scripture is Gods word.

So I am like why should I believe this guy when the abundence of his heart seems to be murder me and others.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: A K A Stone (#90)

But it is also true that Mary is dead.

Mary is not dead. Neither are the Apostles, the saints and the rest of the dead. You are very much mistaken.

They are alive, elsewhere, in Gan Eden/Paradise or Gehenna/Purgatory/"Hell".

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   9:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Vicomte13 (#97)

I don't know. And neither do you.

Yes I know. Since it is appointed to man once to die then comes judgement. Since judgement day hasn't come yet Mary is still dead and can't hear shit.

Also For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 Notice not Mary.

No where in the Bible does it say Mary is Holy. It never says to pray to her. It never says she has Gods power to hear all prayers in every language.

But since you admit you don't know and she didn't speak english. Do you think she hears your prayers?

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Vicomte13 (#99)

Purgatory

That is true according to you and it isn't in the Bible. Jesus never said a word about it. But Paul is a liar according to what you have said in the past.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Vicomte13 (#96)

I listen very carefully to Christ's words IN the portions of the book that contain them

He never said Purgatory. So you add to scripture like the Catholics.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: A K A Stone (#98)

Like I said I only bring that up to say why should I believe someone who is saying things that are in the Bible are not true.

I try to turn the other cheek and not bring up your over-the-top behavior, because judging your God by the way you behave, I wouldn't want anything to do with him or his religion. It's really easy to reject virtually any human being for human weakness. We are imperfect. Lord knows I am. I don't generally skewer you personally for your graceless behavior, because I think it's wrong to do so. But if I copy you, your vitriolic behavior renders Protestantism and angry religion of poop-flinging apes with very poor reading comprehension, who make no allowance for human weakness and oblivious to their own raging unChristian fury. There. How does that feel? It doesn't even feel like a slap to you, because you are oblivious to your offensive behavior, and actually think that it's "righteous wrath". Pharisees and idolators.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   9:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: A K A Stone (#102)

He never said Purgatory. So you add to scripture like the Catholics.

He did, over and over: Gehenna is Purgatory, but it's function.

"Until the last penny is paid." Until means "not forever".

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   9:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Vicomte13 (#88)

Also, the fact that God has touched me with miracles and I am unashamed to speak about them seems to drive you nuts.

IF you said only that God healed your broken neck. I wouldn't challenge you even if I didn't completely believe you. I may even believe you. In my family before i met my wife when she was a kid. Her family tells me of how her sister had a severe medical condition. Her father prayed and gave up alcohol and became a preacher because they tell me she was healed and the tumor was completely gone never to return. I didn't witness that but I believe it.

But when you go around talking about rats and lizards being raised from the dead. That is a bridge to far for me.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: A K A Stone (#101)

But Paul is a liar according to what you have said in the past.

You and your ilk are the sorts who like to call people who are wrong about something "liars". I don't.

Paul was not right about a great many things in his life. He was a fanatic and a murderer before he converted, then he was a fanatic for what he believed, and that's fine, but it caused him to state some things in ways that diverge from what Jesus said. Also, Paul, the Pharisee, was incredibly impressed, still, with the who Jewish apparatus, and continued to exalt it (and to insert features of it into Christianity), where Jesus did not do so.

But this is not a discussion we can have. We cannot simultaneously discuss text from an academic viewpoint and fling poop at each other. That doesn't work. If you're going to fling poop, and I'm flinging it back you personally, for once, we're not going to bring in Scripture in a serious discussion.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   9:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Vicomte13 (#103)

Good conversation.

My behavior is over the top sometimes. Sometimes I like to get reactions out of people by saying stuff. I should do better.

But that doesn't excuse any of your denying Scripture and adding to it.

Vic I just like the truth and I consider the Bible to be true. So when you go around saying Mary is alive and such nonsense. *It contradicts scriputure and I wonder why someone who says the believe in God is willing to say the Bible is full of truth and also lies. What you call God must be cruel not giving us a clear truth. Having to add to the word and subtract and change babylonian tradition about the queen of the earth into Mary of the Bible in order to convert people back then.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Vicomte13 (#106)

but it caused him to state some things in ways that diverge from what Jesus said.

nope

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Vicomte13 (#106)

But this is not a discussion we can have. We cannot simultaneously discuss text from an academic viewpoint and fling poop at each other. That doesn't work. If you're going to fling poop, and I'm flinging it back you personally, for once, we're not going to bring in Scripture in a serious discussion.

Uh. You have quoted zero scripture. You have made excuses why scripture doesn't mean what it says. You make stuff up like purgatory and praying to Mary. Ok you didn't make it up personally but you believe the crap in contradiction to Gods word found in the Bible and only the Bible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   9:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Vicomte13 (#60)

Paul doesn't have the final word. God sent Mary repeatedly to earth - the only person he has seny back since Jesus ascended.

Factually wrong.

Jesus came back to convert Saul to become the Apostle Paul on the road to Damascus. Paul went on to defeat Peter, the alleged first Roman pontiff, in a major theological battle over the conversion of Gentiles at the council of Jerusalem.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-13   10:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Vicomte13 (#83)

My book has 9 additional books in it that you people cut out of it fifteen hundred years after the fact, because they conflict with the theology that you want to believe.

Those books were all rejected when the first canon was estabished. The first canon has never been challenged.

It was only at the council of Trent that Roman Catholics decreed that those 9 additional books were official scripture.

Despite this, even Rome does not elevate those extra 9 false books to the same status as that held by the books of the original NT canon. Because they know better. And so they are termed the Apocrypha.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-13   10:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#93)

The book of Sirach, the book of Wisdom, the book of Judith, the book of Tobit, the books of 1 Maccabbees and 2 Maccabbees, about half of the book of Daniel - all present in the oldest complete Bible, all excised by Martin Luther and his ilk.

Excised by the Council of Hippo and confirmed subsequently in the ancient NT canon. By the Roman Catholic church.

It was only in 1546 at the Council of Trent that these dodgy books were again added to the Rome's official canon, though never granted equal status by Rome with the books of the original ancient canon.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-13   11:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: A K A Stone (#101)

That is true according to you and it isn't in the Bible. Jesus never said a word about it. But Paul is a liar according to what you have said in the past.

Uh-huh. Paul, who was the only human converted by Jesus after his ascent to heaven, is considered by Count Vicula to be inferior in authority to Jesus' baby-mama, Mary who the Count claims has converted millions.

Notice how the Count never gives Jesus even the slightest credit for converting any of those souls. It's all for the glory of the Queen of Heaven, Mary. Yet scripture never mentions her as having any spiritual authority whatsoever and Jesus merely assigned disciples to help care for her after His own death.

Funny how that works.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-13   11:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Tooconservative (#113)

You have shed light on what Vic posted. He didn't put those books in context like you did.

I always enjoy your posts. Well almost always.

A K A Stone  posted on  2020-01-13   11:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: A K A Stone (#89)

The saints are the christains. It is as simple as that

Nothing is 'simple' when it comes to religion! You're a big boy and you should know that.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2020-01-13   11:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Tooconservative (#110)

Paul went on to defeat Peter, the alleged first Roman pontiff, in a major theological battle over the conversion of Gentiles at the council of Jerusalem.

They had a dispute. He appears to have persuaded Peter of something. The text hardly gives a trial transcript.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   15:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Tooconservative (#113)

It's all for the glory of the Queen of Heaven, Mary.

She always came in the name of her son, and always called people to follow her son, and they did. You calumniate a messenger of God with your nonsense.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   15:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Tooconservative (#112)

Excised by the Council of Hippo and confirmed subsequently in the ancient NT canon. By the Roman Catholic church.

It was only in 1546 at the Council of Trent that these dodgy books were again added to the Rome's official canon, though never granted equal status by Rome with the books of the original ancient canon.

Utterly false. Go back to school. Those books have been part of the Catholic Canon, East and West, since the first complete Bibles of the 300s. Local synods disagreed about this and that.

The Orthodox and the Catholics both have proceeded forth with these books. Jerome protested some of them but he translated them nevertheless, because the Pope was firm on the matter.

Vicomte13  posted on  2020-01-13   16:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#118)

Utterly false. Go back to school. Those books have been part of the Catholic Canon, East and West, since the first complete Bibles of the 300s. Local synods disagreed about this and that.

Lie all you want. They were affirmed only by the Council of Trent and they were never included in the canon approved by the Council of Hippo.

Stuff that in a dead mouse and smoke it.

So what happened to your announced plan from two days ago to run away and pout for a while? You didn't carry through on your little threat.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-13   19:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#116)

They had a dispute. He appears to have persuaded Peter of something. The text hardly gives a trial transcript.

A lot of Gentiles converted when they found out they didn't have to give up their foreskins like a Jew would have. Or follow Jewish dietary laws, etc. Probably those Christians with foreskins numbered in the millions over the centuries.

We know what the dispute was. And Paul prevailed over Peter before the Council, very clearly. Which does throw into question how Peter could be the first Roman pontiff if Paul, who had never even met Jesus during his lifetime, could and did beat Peter like a rug, theologically speaking. And Paul was by far the greater missionary as well. Peter seems to have accomplished very little, perhaps the reason why Rome chose to depict him as their purported first pope. Peter himself never wrote epistles that indicated he knew anything about holding such a status or commission of leadership.

Tooconservative  posted on  2020-01-13   19:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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