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Title: Cunning Lawfare Maneuver – House Will Withhold Submission of Articles from Senate…
Source: Conservative Treehouse
URL Source: https://theconservativetreehouse.co ... icles-from-senate/#more-178937
Published: Dec 19, 2019
Author: sundance
Post Date: 2019-12-19 00:28:18 by nolu chan
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Comments: 9

Cunning Lawfare Maneuver – House Will Withhold Submission of Articles from Senate…

Posted on December 18, 2019
by sundance

Seemingly overlooked by most, when the House voted on the ‘rules of impeachment’ they removed the traditional appointment of House Managers to a later date.

Normally the House Managers would be appointed at the same time as the impeachment vote; however, by withholding the appointment House Democrats are indicating they will not immediately send articles of impeachment to the senate but will rather hold the articles as support for pending court cases toward their judicial authority.

A cunning Lawfare ploy.

As interested observers will note the House never voted to authorize the full judicial impeachment process; instead they voted to approve an inquiry into whether an impeachment should take place. By not voting to authorize articles of impeachment the House never gained ‘judicial enforcement authority’. The absence of judicial authority is now working its way through the courts in various cases.

It appears the absence of appointing House impeachment managers; and the decision to withhold sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate; is now a specific design.

As the process appears to be unfolding, the Lawfare contracted lawyers representing the House: chief legal counsel Douglas Letter, Barry Berke, Norm Eisen and Daniel Goldman will now argue before the courts that all of the constitutionally contended material is required as evidence for a pending judicial proceeding, a trial in the Senate.

What the house crew have assembled is an interesting back-door attempt to position a valid claim for evidence against the accused without having first gained judicial authority for it. The Lawfare crew will argue to the lower courts, and to SCOTUS, the blocked evidentiary material is critical evidence in a soon-to-be-held Senate trial.

The material they have been seeking is: (1) Mueller grand jury material; (2) a deposition by former White House counsel Don McGahn; and less importantly (3) Trump financial and tax records. Each of these issues is currently being argued in appellate courts (6e and McGahn) and the supreme court (financials/taxes).

The House impeachment of President Trump succeeds in applying the label “impeached president” that was their primary political purpose. President Trump is marred with the label of an ‘impeached president’.

Now the delay in sending the articles of impeachment allows the House lawyers to gather additional evidence while the impeachment case sits in limbo.

The House essentially blocks any/all impeachment activity in the Senate by denying the transfer of the articles from the House to the Senate. Additionally, the House will now impede any other Senate legislative action because the House will hold the Senate captive. Meanwhile the Democrat presidential candidates can run against an impeached President.

Lawfare’s legal svengali Lawrence Tribe recently penned an op-ed with this type of recommendation; and it appears the community that worships Tribe, including the House lawyers writ large, are following his advice.

While Politico outlines the plan from a position if the scheme as a new idea, the fact the House impeachment rules were changed to drop the appointment of the managers speaks to considerable forethought on this type of plan.

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On first thought, I have doubts about the efficacy of this plan.

The first problem is that there is no pending trial in the Senate, and there will be no pending trial in the Senate, unless and until the House sends the impeachment to the Senate.

Black’s Law Dctionary, 6th Ed.

Pending. Begun, but not yet completed; during; before the conclusion of; prior to the completion of; unsettled; undetermined; in process of settlement or adjustment. Awaiting an occurrence or conclusion of action, period of continuance or indeterminacy. Thus, an action or suit is “pending” from its inception until the rendition of final judgment.

An action is “pending” after it is commenced by either filing a complaint with the court or by the service of a summons. Johnson v. McCaughan, Carter & Scharrer, Colo.App., 672 P.2d 221, 222.

The Senate has sole authority over impeachment trials. They have no authority over the process at this time as there is no trial pending. The “complaint” has not been filed with the “court.”

The Report has been written and the vote has been taken. To say this post-vote process would be irregular is an understatement. They either seek to change the record after the vote, and present the changed Record, or require the Senate to hear or receive depositions of witnesses not in the record. While the House has sole (but not unlimited) power of impeachment, they have no authority whatever over an impeachment trial. From the time it is turned over to the Senate, the Senate alone has the power.

Another problem is that this signals in a bright, bold way, that the case was not ready for presentation to the Senate when the vote was taken.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-12-19   0:29:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nolu chan (#1)

yep.

And it places all of the eggs in the basket of the judiciary. if the Supreme Court rules for the President on the different evidentiary prongs, there will a judicial answer that forecloses each of those prongs and leaves less and less for the Senate to decide on.

and if the election comes without the impeachment having been referred, and a new election occurs, if the GOP wins the House, they can reverse the impeachment and never send the articles over. if they lose, they can go to court and assert that a suspended legislative action died with the Old Congress and has to be either renewed by the new or dropped.

The Courts have been historically reluctant to become involved in political matters, but the Democratic house may have reached a level of standardless and unprprincipled interference with the presidency that a Federal judiciary stacked with the presidents appointees may need to decide to become involved in a political matter, to the thunderous applause of the people and the other 1 1/2 branches of government.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-12-19   7:40:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

This ain't "cunning" imo...this is a genuinely desperate tactic, if the RATZ are ballsy enough to employ it.

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2019-12-19   11:10:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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