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Title: Let’s Invade Mexico! (Another Entry in the Tourney of Damn Fool Ideas)
Source: Unz Review
URL Source: http://www.unz.com/freed/lets-invade-mexico/
Published: Nov 7, 2019
Author: Fred Reed
Post Date: 2019-11-11 03:00:24 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 154
Comments: 9

I suppose that by now everyone has heard of Trump’s offer to send the American military to “wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth,” which he asserts can be done “quickly and effectively. “

Trump phrased this as an offer to help, not a threat to invade, which is reassuring. AMLO, Mexico’s president, wisely declined the offer.

While the President seems to have made the offer in good faith, he has little idea of Mexico, the military, or the cartels. The American military could not come close to wiping them off the face of the earth, much less effectively and quickly. Such an incursion would be a political and military disaster. The President needs to do some reading.

If AMLO were to invite the Americans into Mexico, he would be lynched. Few Americans are aware of how much the United States is hated in Latin America, and for that matter in most of the world. They don’t know of the long series of military interventions, brutal dictators imposed and supported, and economic rapine. Somoza, Pinochet, the Mexican-American War, detachment of Panama from Colombia, bombardment of Veracruz, Patton’s incursion–the list could go on for pages. The Mexican public would look upon American troops not as saviors but as invaders. Which they would be.

The incursion would not defeat the cartels, for several reasons that trump would do well to ponder. To begin with, America starts its wars by overestimating its own powers, underestimating the enemy, and misunderstanding the kind of war on which it is embarking. The is exactly what Trump seems to be doing.

He probably thinks of Mexicans as just gardeners and rapists and we have all these beautiful advanced weapons and beautiful drones and things with blinking lights. A pack of rapists armed with garden trowels couldn’t possibly be difficult to defeat by the US. I mean, get serious: Dope dealers against the Marines? A cakewalk.

You know, like Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. That sort of cakewalk. Let’s think what an expedition against the narcos would entail, what it would face.

To begin with, Mexico is a huge country of 127 million souls with the narcos spread unevenly across it. You can’t police a nation that size with a small force, or even with a large force. A (preposterous) million soldiers would be well under one percent of the population. Success would be impossible even if that population helped you. Which it wouldn’t.

Other problems exist. Many, many of them.

Let’s consider terrain. Terrain is what militaries fight in. Start with the Sierra Madre, which I suspect Trump doesn’t know from Madre Teresa. This is the brutally inhospitable mountain range in the northwest of Mexico, from which a great many of the narcos come.(Sinaloa is next door.) Forestation is dense, slopes steep, communication only by narrow trails that the natives know as well as you know how to find your bathroom. Nobody else knows them. American infantry would be helpless here. The Narcos would be found only when they chose to be found, which would not be at opportune moments.

The Sierra Madre Occidental, home of many of the drug traffickers. I have walked in these mountains, or tried to. It is impossible for infantry, worse for armor, and airplanes can’t see through the trees.

The Tarahumara Indians live in the Sierra Madre. They frequent the trails, sometimes in groups, and carry things not identifiable from the air. In frustration American forces would do what they always do: start bombing, or launching Hellfires from drones, at what they think are, or think may be, or hope might be, narcos. Frequently they would kill innocents having nothing to do with drugs. This wouldn’t bother the military, certainly not remote drone operators in Colorado or somewhere. They get paid anyway. The Indians who just had their families turned into science projects couldn’t do anything about it.

Well, nothing but join the narcos, who might call this a “force multiplier.”

Some other northern Mexican terrain. The Duarte Bridge between Sinaloa and Durango. A company commander, looking at it, would would have PTSD in advance, just to get a start on things.

Of the rest of Mexico, much consists of jungle, presenting the same problems as the Sierra Madre, and of cities and villages. Here we encounter the problem that has proved disastrous for US forces in war after war: there is no way to tell who is a narco and who isn’t.

In cities and towns, narcos are indistinguishable from the general population. How–precisely how, I want to know–would American troops, kitted out in body armor and goggles and looking like idiots, fight the narcos in villages with which they were unfamiliar? The narcos, well armed, would pick off GIs from windows, whereupon the Americans would respond by firing at random, calling in air strikes, and otherwise killing locals. These would now hate Americans. The narcos know this. They would use it.

Culiacan, Sinaloa, Chapo’s home city. It has a high concentration of narcos. Suppose that you are an infantry officer, sent to “fight the cartels.” You have, say, twenty troops with you, all with hi-tech equipment and things dangling. How do you propose to fight the cartels here? Which of the people in the photo, if any, are narcos? You could ask them. That would work.

Don’t expect help from the locals. Most would much rather see you killed than the narcos. And if they collaborated they and their families would be killed. This would discourage them. Bright ideas?

Now a point that Schwarzehairdye in the White House has likely not grasped. The narcos are Mexicans. So is the population. You know, brown, speak Spanish, that kind of thing. The invaders would not be Mexicans. This matters. Villagers usually do not hate the narcos. These provide jobs, buy their marijuana crops, often do Robin Hood things to help the locals. Pablo Escobar did this, Al Capone, Chapo Guzman. There is a whole genre of popular music, narcocorridos, celebrating the doings of the drug trade. (Corridos Prohibidos, by Los Tigres del Norte, for example). Amazon has the CD.

Which means that they would side with the narcos instead of the already-hated soldiers, putos gringos cabrones, que se chinguen sus putas madres.

Further, much of Mexico doesn’t much like its government.

And of course the narcos will have the option of fading into the population and waiting for the gringos to go home. This means that the invasion would become an occupation. The invading forces would thus need bases, which would become permanent. Bases where? All over the country, which is where the narcos are?

Getting the American military into one’s country is much easier than getting it out. The world knows this. Mexicans assuredly do. They know that America has wrecked country after country in the Mideast, always to do something good about democracy and human rights. They know that America is squeezing Venezuela to get control of its oil, squeezing Iran for the same reason, attacked Iraq for the same reason, has troops in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait for the same reason, and has just confiscated Syria’s oil . Mexico has oil. So when Trump wants to send the military to “help” fight drugs, what do you suppose the Mexicans suspect?

Another point: Roughly a million American expats live happily in Mexico. These would be hostages, and they–we–are soft targets. The drones kill five narcos, and the narcos kill five expats. Or ten, or fifty. What does Washington do now?

Finally, consider what happens when you bomb a country, make life dangerous, kill its children, destroy the economy and impoverish its people? Answer: They go somewhere else. With Mexico being made unlivable, Mexicans would have two choices of somewhere else, Guatemala and….See whether you can fill in the blank. Maybe four or five million of them.

Nuff said. May God protect Mexico from Yanquis who would do it good, from advisers, and then adviser creep, and then occupation, and then from badly led militaries who have no idea where they are. (4 images)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Ok we get it Mexico would be Iraq on steroids, but historically the US did have some success in Mexico and Trump hasn't forgotten. The best thing you can do with it is build a big wall

paraclete  posted on  2019-11-11   7:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

Bomb and kill the drug cartels without mercy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-11   8:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: paraclete (#1)

" . . . best thing you can do with it is build a big wall "

My vote would be to bring troops home from Germany, Korea, etc. Put 4 divisions on the border. Have them place a high density minefield from coast to coast. Overwatch with a few squadrons of Apache's, & A-10's. Anything surviving the minefield, blow it to hell !! If our positions receive any fire from Mexico, blow those positions to hell. Problem solved !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

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Stoner  posted on  2019-11-11   8:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: paraclete (#1)

The best thing you can do with it is build a big wall

The wall must be electrified and barbed wire strung along the top. The weasels are sawing the slats on existing sections of the wall and gaining entry. It's either that or shooting at them . American citizens are poorly served by a government that is thoroughly and apparently irredeemably corrupted.

A nation that can elect a Clinton, an Obama, or for that matter a Johnson and Carter is demonstrably incapable of assisting in maintaining a republic and its Constitution.

If this situation doesn't turn around Washington DC will begin to resemble Madrid, Spain in 1936. Will it take a benevolent despot like say, Franco or Pinochet to save America? The two political factions will never be of one mind and I don't want that to happen anyway! Democrats and Diversity are the gaggle that will complete the destruction of this nation. When I say diversity I speak not of the negroes, Asians, and naturalized people who emigrated from south of our border, I am speaking of the perverted homosexuals and their ilk who have contaminated American society. .

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2019-11-11   11:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: IbJensen (#4) (Edited)

Look you have the wrong idea on walls, look at the chinese method, take a large population of otherwise unemployed people and build in brick, twenty metres high and if they can build 4,000 miles of it over rough terrain, you should be able to build 2,000 miles.. Come on now you are losing face and the chinese don't respect you

Everyone who crosses the border should be put to work

paraclete  posted on  2019-11-12   22:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: paraclete, IbJensen, Stoner, A K A Stone, Jeremiad (#5)

Everyone who crosses the border should be put to work

In addition, they should be offered the opportunity to obtain American citizenship by working themselves on building the wall.

After a period of 90-120 days, they would become citizens. I'm talking about those with no criminal record.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-11-13   0:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard (#6)

In addition, they should be offered the opportunity to obtain American citizenship by working themselves on building the wall.

After a period of 90-120 days, they would become citizens. I'm talking about those with no criminal record.

No. No. No.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-13   7:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: paraclete (#5)

We could have a "bring your own brick day". Ok, maybe a small pile of bricks. Hey, that way they'd be paying (some) for the wall -- material and labor.

Mexican building contractors probably wouldn't like it, though. They'd have to guard their bricks.

Anthem  posted on  2019-11-13   9:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#6)

Ability to lay bricks as a qualification for citizenship?

Well, they'd be more qualified than some lowlifes that were born here.

Still, maybe they should speak some English and pass a test.

Anthem  posted on  2019-11-13   9:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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