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Title: Another Drug-War Massacre
Source: The Future of Freedom Foundation
URL Source: https://www.fff.org/2019/11/07/another-drug-war-massacre/
Published: Nov 7, 2019
Author: Jacob G. Hornberger
Post Date: 2019-11-09 06:53:54 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 563
Comments: 22

Drug-war proponents are scratching their heads over what to do about the latest drug-war massacre in Mexico. They are considering three options.

Option 1. Have the Mexican military crack down even more fiercely than it already has during the past 10 years of fierce military drug warfare.

The problem with this approach, however, is that it has already led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens, made the mountain of official drug-war corruption within the Mexican government even higher, and converted much of the country into a hell-hole of drug-war violence.

Option 2. Send in the U.S. military and the CIA into Mexico.

Yeah! They’ll show those Mexican drug gangs how the cow ate the cabbage. Just ask the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yemen. Bombs, missiles, shootings, arrests, indefinite detention, torture, raids, prison camps, kangaroo military tribunals, extra-judicial executions, warrantless searches, and state-sponsored assassinations.

Just be prepared for the deaths of countless Mexican children, wedding parties, and thousands of other innocent people, as the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yemen will attest.

But what the heck? If we get the violent drug gangs, won’t the deaths of all those innocent Mexican people be considered “worth it,” just like the deaths of innocent foreigners are considered “worth it” when U.S. forces kill a “terrorist” in the U.S. government’s perpetual “war on terrorism”?

Option 3. Capture the head of the Sinaloa drug cartel, extradite him to the United States, and jail him for the rest of his life.

Uh, oh! Wait a minute! Did’t they already do that with El Chapo? Wasn’t that promoted as a gigantic victory in the war on drugs? Wasn’t that supposed to bring an end to the Sinaloa cartel?

How long are the American people and the Mexican people going to put up with this drug-war nonsense? How many more innocent people have to die before people reject, fully and completely, what amounts to one of the most evil, immoral, deadly, destructive, and racially bigoted government programs in history, the war on drugs.

Only one solution

As we have been saying here at The Future of Freedom Foundation for 30 years, there is one — and only one — way to get rid of drug cartels, drug gangs, and drug lords. That way is through drug legalization, complete drug legalization. Not just marijuana. All drugs, including cocaine, heroin, meth, and opioids. Ditch them all.

With drug legalization, the drug cartels, drug gangs, and drug lords are out out business overnight. Gone. Isn’t that what drug-war proponents say they would like to see? Well, that’s the only way to see it.

That’s what happened, of course, when statists decided to re-legalize booze. They finally realized that they were never going to put the booze cartels, booze gangs, and booze lords out of business by cracking down on them ever more fiercely. They finally realized that the only way to achieve that goal was through legalization. And sure enough, the re-legalization of booze put them all out of business.

So why do the drug war statists continue to oppose drug legalization?

One reason is that they fear freedom. They are convinced that if drugs were legalized, everyone in society would suddenly become drug addicts.

Another reason is that there are lots of government officials on both sides of the border making big money off the drug war. That includes, of course, the bribes being paid to law-enforcement personnel and judges. It involves the corruption in asset-forfeiture actions by law-enforcement personnel. It also includes the generous incomes that are being made by people involved in the enforcement of drug laws, including lawyers, judges, court clerks, and law-enforcement personnel.

One thing is for sure: As long as the drug war statists prevail in maintaining drug laws in Mexican and American societies, there will continue to be drug-war massacres and other drug-war violence. Just get used to it. (1 image)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Drug pushers like Deckard don't care that the drugs he pushes to be legal are used to buy weapons and murder many innocent people.

No one is scratching their head. The solution is simple. Use the U.S. military and go into Mexico and kill all the drug cartel people. All of them dead.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-09   7:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

And sure enough, the re-legalization of booze put them all out of business.

That was the promise. But when alcohol was made legal they simply switched to selling illegal drugs and stayed in business. What? Did you think they were going to get real jobs?

Now here we are again with yet another promise that if we would just legalize ALL drugs the bad guys will be put out of business. Fool me once, shame on me ...

I ain't buyin' it. Plus, how is legalizing alcohol -- the leading cause of death and disease worldwide -- working out?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-11-09   9:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Drug pushers like Deckard don't care that the drugs he pushes to be legal are used to buy weapons and murder many innocent people.

You missed the point. Legal drugs mean the cost of those drugs goes way down to the point where being involved in their sale doesn't pay much money with which to buy weapons. Though if the drugs are legal, then there's no reason to buy weapons.

No one is scratching their head. The solution is simple. Use the U.S. military and go into Mexico and kill all the drug cartel people. All of them dead.

Is that how the US military destroyed the Taliban and Al Qaeda (ignoring the fact that these two groups are still there?) Even ISIS is still there after being mostly run out of Syria by the Russians and Assad.

Hundreds of thousands have been killed in Mexico, but don't think for a minute that the cartels have not lost people. Indeed they have in fighting each other and the Mexican military & police, corrupt or not. Yet still the cartels are there, so no, a military approach won't solve a thing. Attacking economically via drug decriminalization is the only thing that will work. No it doesn't mean drug addiction goes away. But it does mean the violence goes away, and that leaves drug addiction as only a social and educational issue, and not a criminal or military issue.

It's the only solution.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-10   4:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

You missed the point. Legal drugs mean the cost of those drugs goes way down to the point where being involved in their sale doesn't pay much money with which to buy weapons. Though if the drugs are legal, then there's no reason to buy weapons.

I'll put you down for legalizing heroin, crack, cocaine, meth etc.

I guess you don't give a shit about the human toll that your drug legalization fantasy would involve.

Ok all your drugs are now legal. Who is liable when someone overdoese? You since you want it legal?

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-10   7:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Is that how the US military destroyed the Taliban and Al Qaeda (ignoring the fact that these two groups are still there?) Even ISIS is still there after being mostly run out of Syria by the Russians and Assad.

Isis controls no territory. Do that to the evil drug cartels kill them all. They are evil and doing great harm to our country. But you want legal drugs so I don't think you care. If they overdose they get reincarnated or something and come back again and again. Right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-10   7:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Hundreds of thousands have been killed in Mexico, but don't think for a minute that the cartels have not lost people. Indeed they have in fighting each other and the Mexican military & police, corrupt or not. Yet still the cartels are there, so no, a military approach won't solve a thing.

Us yes a military approach IS the solution. Kill all the evil drug dealers in Mexico or here that sell Meth, Heroin, crack, cocaine. They are a threat to our national security. So just becauese you said "so no, a military approach won't solve a thing" doesn't mean shit. Just because people have died on both sides doesn't mean what you said. That is not logical and is a fantasy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-10   7:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Attacking economically via drug decriminalization is the only thing that will work.

Lets make drugs plentiful and cheap is not the solution to destroy the United States. It is no solution at all. It is infantile and retarded.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-10   7:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#3)

But it does mean the violence goes away,

No it doesn't. People steal soda pops that cost 50 cents. Violence DOES NOT GO AWAY. But you do have more addicts. More despair. More broken families.

Crush the drug cartels leave none alive. They are the definition of evil. Profiting off peoples weaknesses and making billions. Death to them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-10   7:38:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#3)

It's the only solution.

It is not a solution but a suicide. Suicide is not a solution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-10   7:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#9)

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-10   8:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#4)

I guess you don't give a shit about the human toll that your drug legalization fantasy would involve.

I guess you can't read, Stone. The human toll is exactly why I'm stating that legalization is the only solution. I guess you're happy seeing the hundreds of thousands of more people die as things go on without change.

What you propose is the very definition of insanity. What do you expect to change?

Yes, people will die of drug overdoses, just as they die now from alcohol abuse. But at least those people will have chosen to abuse drugs, and there won't be any more young women and children abducted into the sex trafficking world to satisfy hyper wealthy drug kingpins. That is what you are okay with, apparently. Seeing how you are more than happy to declare sinners and rebels against God to be cunts and shits and stuff of that nature, I'd think you'd be happy to see drug addicts die of overdoses so that should be okay with you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-12   20:04:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#8)

No it doesn't. People steal soda pops that cost 50 cents. Violence DOES NOT GO AWAY. But you do have more addicts. More despair. More broken families.

No soda pop thief is going to be able to afford scores of hit men to go around and kill people.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-12   20:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#10)

This video you posted really does make my case. The money MUST be cut off, and the only way it will be cut off is to decriminalize drugs. It's the only, only, only way. Return responsibility for living right to the individual people. Let churches and whatever other charitable organizations fight it. Give people a choice to be smart or be stupid. Even if it would mean more drug abuse, I'd think you'd be okay with that as it would let you rail against more drug addicts as haters of God, which seems to be something you enjoy doing a very great deal!

This is not something a "kill them all" approach will solve. The war on drugs has been going on since the 70's and it's still going on. Even homeless people in California can get drugs! You live in a fantasy world.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-11-12   20:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite (#11)

I guess you can't read, Stone. The human toll is exactly why I'm stating that legalization is the only solution. I guess you're happy seeing the hundreds of thousands of more people die as things go on without change.

Your solution is more drug use. That isn't a solution. More hopeless addicts. Your idea doesn't solve anything and makes things worse.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-13   7:12:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#11)

What you propose is the very definition of insanity. What do you expect to change?

That isn't the definition of insanity. This is -extreme foolishness or irrationality. I would like to see all the drug cartels destroyed then they can't ut people into little pieces anymore.

It is insane to legalize heroin, crack, meth, angel dust, pcp. You are out of your mind.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-13   7:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite (#13)

This video you posted really does make my case. The money MUST be cut off, and the only way it will be cut off is to decriminalize drugs.

It made no such case quit pretending. We have legal pills and we have an opioid crisis. So no case was made. It does meet your definition of insanity though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-13   7:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pinguinite (#11)

Yes, people will die of drug overdoses, just as they die now from alcohol abuse. But at least those people will have chosen to abuse drugs, and there won't be any more young women and children abducted into the sex trafficking world to satisfy hyper wealthy drug kingpins.

So if we legalize heroin, crack, pcp, meth etc the sex traficking industry will dry up and die. Don't kid yourself. That is not true and you know it. So why did you write it?

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-13   7:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#11)

I'd think you'd be happy to see drug addicts die of overdoses so that should be okay with you.

Well you couldn't be more wrong. We are all human and make mistakes. I'm not Grandisland. You seem to be ok with it though because you said it is their choice. Yeah it is a 13 year olds choice when they got hooked on drugs because some assclown philosopher thinks it will make the world a better place. Then they go on living a nightmare life.

I will put you down on championing immoral pretend rights.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-13   7:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#13)

Even if it would mean more drug abuse,

Admission that more drug use would occur and you said it is ok because they chose it. Well when they get chemically hooked they have a hard time making good choices because the chemical takes over. Oh well someones kid got hooked on meth at 15 who cares they chose it. That is anti society and pro anarchy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-13   7:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Pinguinite (#13)

This is not something a "kill them all" approach will solve. The war on drugs has been going on since the 70's and it's still going on. Even homeless people in California can get drugs! You live in a fantasy world.

Actually I live in the real world her in the United States. Drugs ruin peoples lives and you are ok increasing that exponentially. Wake up and quit being dumb.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-13   7:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#11)

Seeing how you are more than happy to declare sinners and rebels against God to be cunts and shits and stuff of that nature

People who murder their children and people who promote it are cunts and pieces of shit. Anyone who disagrees is a wack job.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-11-13   7:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#21)

Here is a short balanced story on Portugal's experience with decriminalization.

They decriminalized the possession of small amounts of addictive substances, enough that an individual would typically use in 10 day’s time. They legalized nothing. It’s still illegal to use drugs. But being a drug user is treated as a health problem, not a criminal problem.

They also didn’t decriminalize drug dealing or trafficking. A person with more than a personal supply of a drug will still be treated like a criminal. There was no intention that drugs should be allowed to freely wash through Portuguese communities.

From Wikipedia:

  • Increased uptake of treatment (roughly 60% increase as of 2012.)
  • Reduction in new HIV diagnoses amongst drug users by 17% and a general drop of 90% in drug-related HIV infection
  • Reduction in drug related deaths, although this reduction has decreased in later years. The number of drug related deaths is now almost on the same level as before the drug strategy was implemented. However, this may be accounted for by improvement in measurement practices, which includes a doubling of toxicological autopsies now being performed, meaning that more drugs related deaths are likely to be recorded.
  • Drug use among adolescents (13-15 yrs) and "problematic" users declined.
  • Drug-related criminal justice workloads decreased.
  • Decreased street value of most illicit drugs, some significantly
  • The number of drug related deaths has reduced from 131 in 2001 to 20 in 2008. As of 2012, Portugal's drug death toll sat at 3 per million, in comparison to the EU average of 17.3 per million.

Anthem  posted on  2019-11-13   9:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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