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Title: Thin-Skinned Supreme Court
Source: Real Clear Politics
URL Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar ... _you_justice_alito_100111.html
Published: Feb 1, 2010
Author: EJ Dionne
Post Date: 2010-02-01 09:26:32 by war
Keywords: None
Views: 25640
Comments: 53

WASHINGTON -- The nation owes a substantial debt to Justice Samuel Alito for his display of unhappiness over President Obama's criticisms of the Supreme Court's recent legislation -- excuse me, decision -- opening our electoral system to a new torrent of corporate money.

Alito's inability to restrain himself during the State of the Union address brought to wide attention a truth that too many have tried to ignore: The Supreme Court is now dominated by a highly politicized conservative majority intent on working its will, even if that means ignoring precedents and the wishes of the elected branches of government.

Obama called the court on this, and Alito shook his head and apparently mouthed "not true." His was the honest reaction of a judicial activist who believes he has the obligation to impose his version of right reason on the rest of us.

The controversy also exposed the impressive capacity of the conservative judicial revolutionaries to live by double standards without apology.

The movement's legal theorists and politicians have spent more than four decades attacking alleged judicial abuses by liberals, cheering on the presidents who joined them in their assaults. But now, they are terribly offended that Obama has straightforwardly challenged the handiwork of their judicial comrades.

There is ample precedent for Obama's firm but respectful rebuke of the court. I know of no one on the right who protested when President Reagan, in a 1983 article in the Human Life Review, took on the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision of 10 years earlier.

"Make no mistake, abortion-on-demand is not a right granted by the Constitution," Reagan wrote. "No serious scholar, including one disposed to agree with the court's result, has argued that the framers of the Constitution intended to create such a right. ... Nowhere do the plain words of the Constitution even hint at a 'right' so sweeping as to permit abortion up to the time the child is ready to be born."

Reagan cited Justice Byron White's description of Roe as an act of "raw judicial power," which is actually an excellent description of the court's ruling on corporate money in the Citizens United case.

Reagan had every right to say what he did. But why do conservatives deny the same right to Obama? Alternatively, why do they think it's persuasive to argue, as Georgetown Law professor Randy Barnett did in The Wall Street Journal, that it's fine for a president to take issue with the court, except in a State of the Union speech? Isn't it more honorable to criticize the justices to their faces? Are these jurists so sensitive that they can't take it? Do they expect everyone to submit quietly to whatever they do?

In fact, conservatives have made the Supreme Court a punching bag since the 1960s, when "Impeach Earl Warren" bumper stickers aimed at the liberal chief justice proliferated in right-wing precincts.

Richard Nixon made the Warren court's rulings on criminal justice a major issue in his 1968 presidential campaign. "Let us always respect, as I do, our courts and those who serve on them," he said in his acceptance speech that year. "But let us also recognize that some of our courts, in their decisions, have gone too far in weakening the peace forces as against the criminal forces in this country, and we must act to restore that balance." Many conservatives cheered this, too.

As for the specifics of Obama's indictment, Alito's defenders have said the president was wrong to say that the court's decision on corporate political spending had reversed "a century of law" and also opened "the floodgates for special interests -- including foreign corporations."

But Obama was not simply referring to court precedents but also to the 1907 Tillman Act, which banned corporate money in electoral campaigns. The court's recent ruling undermined that policy. Defenders of the decision also say it did not invalidate the existing legal ban on foreign political activity. What they don't acknowledge is that the ruling opens a loophole for domestic corporations under foreign control to make unlimited campaign expenditures.

Alito did not like the president making an issue of the court's truly radical intervention in politics. I disagree with Alito on the law and the policy, but I have no problem with his personal expression of displeasure.

On the contrary, I salute him because his candid response brought home to the country how high the stakes are in the battle over the conservative activism of Chief Justice John Roberts' court.

Copyright 2010, Washington Post Writers Group

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#13. To: Bartcoprules (#9)

Blew out of work early and did my workout this afternoon...

GAME ON!!!

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-01   18:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Bartcoprules (#9)

GREAT game, eh?

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   7:53:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#0)

even if that means ignoring precedents

Precedents aren't constitutional.

They just restored the constitution back a little bit closer to the way it used to be for 130 years before the usurption

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   8:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: war (#14)

Someday the Sabres will figure out a way to beat the Pens.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-02-02   8:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15) (Edited)

Precedents aren't constitutional.

Neither are they unconstitutional...they just are.

The ruling was a melding of common law, "corporate personhood" and constititional law, "Congress shall make no law" and "All persons...entitiled to equal protection..."

Again, the issue comes down to this...my rights are inherent to my birth and are not a legal or legislative creation. Corporations owe their entire existence as nothing more than a legal creation which can be altered at any time.

If you had poisoned the people of Bhopal you'd be in jail or dead. Who went to jail from Union Carbide?

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   8:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Bartcoprules (#16)

Someday the Sabres will figure out a way to beat the Pens.

Hopefully, it won't be in the playoffs...

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   8:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#15)

They just restored the constitution back a little bit closer to the way it used to be for 130 years before the usurption

Huh? Show me any acase from 131+ years ago in which corporations enjoyed natural rights...

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   8:24:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: war (#19)

Huh? Show me any acase from 131+ years ago in which corporations enjoyed natural rights...

Huh. Shoe me one case from 131+ years ago which anyone was denied free speech.

What the fuck don't you understand that congress shall MAKE NO FUCKING LAW abridging free speech. THERE IS NO FUCKING DISTINCTION MADE. NEVER NO HOW NO WAY.

/curses off

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   9:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20) (Edited)

Shoe me one case from 131+ years ago which anyone was denied free speech.

131+ years ago Corporate personhood was limited to due process only. IN fact, 200 years ago...300 years ago...the same fact.

What the fuck don't you understand that congress shall MAKE NO FUCKING LAW abridging free speech.

What the fuck don't YOU understand that a corporation isn't a human being and that Jefferson was NOT writing about the East India Tea Company when he wrote that "All MEN are created equal..."

Are dog barking ordinances constitutional?

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   9:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#21)

131+ years ago Corporate personhood was limited to due process only. IN fact, 200 years ago...300 years ago...the same fact.

That isn't exactly accurate.

But the fact still remains congress is forbidden in the constitution from denying free speech period.

Maybe it isn't right, maybe it is. But constitutionally speaking it is the truth. Why don't you just be honest and admit it?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   9:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#21)

Are dog barking ordinances constitutional?

Only if the dogs can't talk.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   9:12:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: all (#21)

Founder and our fourth Chief Justice John Marshall wrote:

A corporation is an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law. Being a creature of law, it possesses only those properties which the charter of its creation confers upon it, either expressly, or as incidental to its very existence. These are such as are supposed best calculated to effect the object for which it was created. Among the most important are immortality, and, if the expression may be allowed, individuality; properties, by which a perpetual succession of many persons are considered the same, and may act as a single individual.

In other words, Justice Marshall's written opinion supports the principle that corporations may act and speak as any individual may, and the opinion notes that legislatures lack the power to take away "vested" rights.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-02-02   9:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: dont eat that (#24)

Nice find.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   9:21:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#22)

That isn't exactly accurate.

I posted the case. Coporate citizenship under 14A [your favorite amendment] was limited to Due Process only.

But the fact still remains congress is forbidden in the constitution from denying free speech period.

On people. Corporations are not people and I've given you several examples of how they differ.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   9:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#25)

FYI, I have Padlock bozo'd...if it's something germane feel free to copy and paste it but I have 0 interest in enabling that troll.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   9:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#27)

LOL

You got tired of getting your ass kicked

dont eat that  posted on  2010-02-02   9:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: war (#27)

FYI, I have Padlock bozo'd.

I never understood peoples need to use the bozo feature. But here it is.

Founder and our fourth Chief Justice John Marshall wrote:

A corporation is an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law. Being a creature of law, it possesses only those properties which the charter of its creation confers upon it, either expressly, or as incidental to its very existence. These are such as are supposed best calculated to effect the object for which it was created. Among the most important are immortality, and, if the expression may be allowed, individuality; properties, by which a perpetual succession of many persons are considered the same, and may act as a single individual.

In other words, Justice Marshall's written opinion supports the principle that corporations may act and speak as any individual may, and the opinion notes that legislatures lack the power to take away "vested" rights.

dont eat that posted on 2010-02-02 9:15:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   9:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: war (#27)

LOL

You got tired of getting your ass kicked

dont eat that posted on 2010-02-02 9:42:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-02-02   9:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)

Marshall's words don't support your belief and, in fact, I've paraphrased Marshall in my argument: "Being a creature of law, it possesses only those properties which the charter of its creation confers upon it, either expressly, or as incidental to its very existence."

"Among the most important are immortality, and, if the expression may be allowed, individuality; properties, by which a perpetual succession of many persons are considered the same, and may act as a single individual."

You understand what Marshall is stating here?

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   9:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#29) (Edited)

I never understood peoples need to use the bozo feature

Yet you offer it.

That said, he's here to incite not discuss...same thing with Badeye, who, like Padlock, is most likely RNC paid to be here...

I like it here, Stoney...LP banning me was probably a good thing...I've gotten back to just discussing issues for the most part and I'm not looking over my shoulder...

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   10:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward (1819) clearly established a difference between private and public corporations and plainly noted that private corporations had the free exercise of rights, the same as individuals.

But, you'll never get that other knucklehead to admit it.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-02-02   10:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: dont eat that (#33)

Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward

Was a contract case and was decided under Article I Section 10 and not the Bill of Rights.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   10:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: dont eat that (#33)

clearly established a difference between private and public corporations

Not so neither. What it established was the a State was forbidden to alter the terms of an existing contract.

Asticle I Section 10 USCON:

No State shall...pass any...Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts.

It did not matter to the court whether the coporation was public or private. The question before the court was: Did the New Hampshire legislature unconstitutionally interfere with Dartmouth College's rights under the Contract Clause?

The answer was "Yes".

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   11:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: padlock (#28)

You got tired of getting your ass kicked

I got and remain tired of your blatant racism and phoney outrage at the result of the electoral process. Look at how many responses you get, Padlock. Most of them are from Stoney telling you to either control yourself or he will. Everyone else, for the most part, ignores you.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   11:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: war (#32)

That said, he's here to incite not discuss...same thing with Badeye, who, like Padlock, is most likely RNC paid to be here...

Then the RNC is even more foolish with their money than the DNC is.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-02-02   12:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Bartcoprules (#37) (Edited)

When Badeye went over the hill, in 2005 IIRC, he posted something at LP that had very odd verbiage for him. It turned out that he qouted verbatim what was later to be a "breaking item" on talk radio. I cannot recall what the issue was and, Lord knows, I've given LP enough hits lately gleaning his moronic quotes like the one below [more are coming] but when I confronted him with it he never denied it.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   12:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: war (#34)

You need to read the full ruling.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-02-02   12:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: dont eat that (#39) (Edited)

I am quite familiar with that ruling. Marshall states that the only way that the State can alter a contract is if it is party to it.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   12:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: war (#40)

I am quite familiar with that ruling. Marshall states that the only way that the State can alter a contract is if it is party to it.

And that private corporations constitute legal persons by rights of contract.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-02-02   12:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: dont eat that (#41)

And that private corporations constitute legal persons by rights of contract.

He states that ABSOLITELY NOWHERE...

IN fact, he states that corporation are incorporated solely for the reason a goverment allows them to incoporate and that they are separate from civil government.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   13:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: war (#42)

You can continue to misconstrue the case if you want, but if there is any uncertainty of Marshall's position, he clarifies it in Providence Bank v. Billings several years later:

The great object of an incorporation is to bestow the character and properties of individuality on a collective and changing body of men. This capacity is always given to such a body. Any privileges which may exempt it from the burdens common to individuals do not flow necessarily from the charter, but must be expressed in it, or they do not exist.

Now, this doesn't refer to "freedoms," but to burdens (i.e. taxes), but the notion of the individuality of corporations is indisputable.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-02-02   13:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: dont eat that (#43) (Edited)

What you've copied and pasted here in NO WAY even REMOTELY implies support of your previous contention: "And that private corporations constitute legal persons by rights of contract."

Any privileges which may exempt it from the burdens common to individuals do not flow necessarily from the charter, but must be expressed in it, or they do not exist.

Feel free to explain how the above, which stands in STARK contrast to your argument, somehow supports it.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   13:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: dont eat that (#43)

but the notion of the individuality of corporations is indisputable.

Since each corporation would have a separate charter all you are doing is stating the obvious.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   13:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#44)

What you've copied and pasted here in NO WAY even REMOTELY implies support of your previous contention: "And that private corporations constitute legal persons by rights of contract."

Wassn't meant to.

Mere further evidence of judicial precedent establishing corporations as legally individuals.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-02-02   13:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: war (#45)

Since each corporation would have a separate charter all you are doing is stating the obvious.

And unless something is stipulated in the charter specifically, corporations are treated civilly as individuals with the same rights and burdens.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-02-02   13:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: dont eat that (#46)

Mere further evidence of judicial precedent establishing corporations as legally individuals.

It didn't do that either.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   14:01:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: dont eat that (#47) (Edited)

And unless something is stipulated in the charter specifically, corporations are treated civilly as individuals with the same rights and burdens.

Nope. Go back and read what you copied and pasted. It's the opposite...that a coporation must act HOW IT IS CHARTERED TO ACT.

Marshall states that in Trustees of Dartmouth as well...

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   14:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: war (#49)

NO, what it is saying is that in order to avoid taxes, its charter must specifically preclude it. If the charter does not address taxation at all, then they can still be taxed just as an individual would.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-02-02   14:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: dont eat that (#50) (Edited)

NO, what it is saying is that in order to avoid taxes, its charter must specifically preclude it

Wha...chuckle...huh? A corporation can avoid paying taxes by simply stating that it is exempt from them?

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   14:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: dont eat that (#50)

Here's Story's concurrence: An aggregate corporation, at common law, is a collection of individuals, united into one collective body, under a special name, and possessing certain immunities, privileges and capacities, in its collective character, which do not belong to the natural persons composing it. Among other things, it possesses the capacity of perpetual succession, and of acting by the collected vote or will of its component members, and of suing and being sued in all things touching its corporate rights and duties. It is, in short, an artificial person, existing in contemplation of law, and endowed with certain powers and franchises which, though they must be exercised through the medium of its natural members, are yet considered as subsisting in the corporation itself...

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   14:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: dont eat that (#50) (Edited)

More Marshall: Among the most important are immortality, and, if the expression may be allowed, individuality; properties, by which a perpetual succession of many persons are considered as the same, and may act as a single individual. They enable a corporation to manage its own affairs, and to hold property, without the perplexing intricacies, the hazardous and endless necessity, of perpetual conveyances for the purpose of transmitting it from hand to hand. It is chiefly for the purpose of clothing bodies of men, in succession, with these qualities and capacities, that corporations were invented, and are in use. By these means, a perpetual succession of individuals are capable of acting for the promotion of the particular object, like one immortal being. But this being does not share in the civil government of the country, unless that be the purpose for which it was created. Its immortality no more confers on it political power, or a political character, than immortality would confer such power or character on a natural person.

[Hillary] won't enter the DNC primaries...the only question is what the excuse will be when the time comes.

Badeye posted on 2007-04-12 14:40:38 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-02-02   14:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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