Title: If A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words, Then What Do These Memes Say? (Parts VIII & I) Source:
The Potters Clay URL Source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa6ulv9aQno Published:Oct 10, 2018 Author:The Potters Clay Post Date:2019-10-07 12:02:10 by Liberator Keywords:Truth, Memes, Hmmm Views:53039 Comments:340
A little Meme action... If you haven't seen them, checkout the rest!
Get bored easily? No time to watch long videos? MEMES TO THE RESCUE! Short & Sweet.
These are found at a Christian You Tube called, 'The Potters Clay'...
These are REALLY good. Fun stuff. I promise. Spectacular AND clever. It doesn't matter what your core belief is; you will come upon several memes that will stop you dead in your tracks and challenge you.
(STRONG SUGGESTION: To adjust and slow these memes down, go to your YouTube 'Settings', then adjust 'Playback Speed to .75. It will give you more time to contemplate the meme, since they move along pretty fast.)
When you have the time, please give them all a look; I consider them a crash-course in Earth-Science Truth, Logic, and Reason.
Judgement of Believers...When: btween rapture and 2nd Coming...Basis: our Christian life...1Cor3:10/2Cor.5:10 - WHERE IS JESUS?
Judgement of OT Saints...When: end of Trib...Basis: faith in coming messiah...Dan. 12:1-3 - THE LENGTHY PASSAGES AROUND THIS APPEAR TO REFER TO THE PERSIANS, ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND HIS SUCCESSORS, THE MACCABEEAN REVOLT AND, FINALLY, THE COMING OF JESUS. THE EVERLASTING LIFE SPOKEN OF THERE IS WHAT JESUS BRINGS. THERE IS NOTHING IN THOSE PASSAGES THAT SPEAKS OF "THE MESSIAH". NOTE THAT "THE HOLY PEOPLE" ARE FINALLY BROKEN IN THESE PASSAGES. THIS COULD FORETELL THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE AND THE END OF THE PRIESTHOOD.
Judgement of Martyred Trib saints...When: end of Trib...Basis: faith proven by works...Rev.20:4-6 - THIS IS PERTINENT
Judgement of Surviving Jews of Trib...When: end of Trib...Basis: faith in Christ...Ez20:34-38/Mt25:1-13
Judgement of Surviving Gentiles of Trib...When: end of Trib...Basis: Sheep- or-goat...Joel3:1,2/Mt25:31-46 AND BASIS OF BEING A SHEEP OR A GOAT IS WHETHER OR NOT ONE HELPED THE POOR< THE SICK, THE PRISONER, THE NAKED. DON'T HELP THE POOR - A WORK - AND BURN IN THE FIRE. EVEN IF YOU PROFESS JESUS AS LORD. THE WORK IS WHAT MATTERS HERE. WHAT MAKES THEM RIGHTEOUS IS WHAT THEY DID. WHAT MAKES THEM UNRIGHTEOUS IS WHAT THEY FAILED TO DO. DEEDS, NOT BELIEFS. THERE IS NO "SURVIVING OF TRIBULATION" IN THIS PASSAGE
Judgement of Satan/fallen angels...When: end of millennium...Basis: rebellion... Jude6/2Pt2:4 - FINE, BUT NOT RELEVANT TO PEOPLE.
Judgement of All unsaved people...When: end of millennium...Basis: for rejection of God...Rev20:11-15
Judgement of Believers...When: btween rapture and 2nd Coming...Basis: our Christian life...1Cor3:10/2Cor.5:10 - WHERE IS JESUS?
Are you kidding? This judgement is at the Bema Seat, Judgment Seat of Christ. Christ is the Judge here!
Judgement of OT Saints...When: end of Trib...Basis: faith in coming messiah...Dan. 12:1-3 - THE LENGTHY PASSAGES AROUND THIS APPEAR TO REFER TO THE PERSIANS,
Nope. This passage is understood by the phrase "at that time" which theologians have determined to be the time of the tribulation/2nd coming. The OT saints have to be judged before entering into the millennium period. Remember this truth. Everyone is saved by faith in Christ. The OT believers were saved by LOOKING AHEAD to the promised Messiah. We NT believers are saved by faith by LOOKING BACK at Him. Daniel is speaking to the Jews, telling them (v.2) that their judgement will come "at that time".
Judgement of Martyred Trib saints...When: end of Trib...Basis: faith proven by works...Rev.20:4-6 - THIS IS PERTINENT
Yes. Once the church age has ended and the tribulation has begun, salvation will not be so easy. To become a believer during the tribulation will probably result in your being beheaded, hence the verses from Rev. 20.
Judgement of Surviving Gentiles of Trib...When: end of Trib...Basis: Sheep- or-goat...Joel3:1,2/Mt25:31-46...THERE IS NO "SURVIVING OF TRIBULATION" IN THIS PASSAGE
There will be surviving Christians (not many) and non-believers coming out of the Great Tribulation. Since they weren't beheaded (proving their faith) they are going to be judged by how they conducted themselves during the trib. The non-believers who survived will be the goats.
Judgement of Satan/fallen angels...When: end of millennium...Basis: rebellion... Jude6/2Pt2:4 - FINE, BUT NOT RELEVANT TO PEOPLE.
It is relevant. I want to see Satan and his cohorts dealt with. As do many, many other people who are aware of his evil. This judgement is as vital as all the other judgements.
Vic, thank you for looking at my list! I appreciate your comments. I hope I helped clear up some of the difficulties you have with them. There is alot going on here to keep track of, but a simple list like this helps present a framework to keep it all together.
Of course, you CAN exult in arms, and go kill people to take their lands and resources, or to silence their heresy or remove their political resistance. And when you do, you are simply a murderer and will be thrown into the Lake of Fire at final judgment, whether you call yourself a "Christian" or not.
Under your beliefs. Can you repent and be saved after murdering someone in a premeditated fashion?
Don't get mad at someone because you don't like the truth. I mean someone who said they wanted to murder all right wingers shouldn't be upset when someone says that their heart is hardened.
One thing that talking to self-professed "Christians" over time has taught me, is that Christianity is an aggressive religion full of proud and insulting people. I'll stick with Jesus alone, you can keep your "Christianity".
You're right on most of your points here, Vic.
We may not agree exactly on faith, but Christians are supposed to instruct gently with kindness and respect.
I would ask -- are those who are trying to "save" your soul doing so more out of real love and concern? Or, as a matter of personal pride and one-upsmanship? (We've all been there.)
#281. To: Liberator, Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#278)
I would ask -- are those who are trying to "save" your soul doing so more out of real love and concern? Or, as a matter of personal pride and one-upsmanship? (We've all been there.)
Just routine stuff for me. I care about Vic's soul. I understand the coming judgments and I understand what's at stake. Eternity hangs in the balance.
Christianity is an aggressive religion full of proud and insulting people
Not true at all. But like Stone said, truth is harsh. That's why the Bible says Jesus came into this world full of grace and truth...grace is needed in the presence of the harsh truth. God supplies both and notice the order...grace then truth. God is good.
Your flat earth bullshit isn't biblical or scientific.
It is BOTH.
And until you let go of the unscientific, un-biblical LIES and BS that this lying secular-based world have foisted upon you, you remain their slave.
TO WIT:
This same "Science" that you trust confirms and teaches "Evolution" -- do you believe that? That means, This same "Science" that you trust confirms and teaches the 'Big Bang' and a gazillion year old Universe -- do you believe that?
If so, you, Bill Nye, De Grasse Tyson, and the rest of the militant anti-God atheists believe THE SAME EXACT THING.
Meanwhile, the Bible sez God's earthly realm is surrounded by a Firmament, "The waters ABOVE (above the highest sky) divided by the waters BELOW" (the oceans). There IS no "Outer Space." NASA = LIES. More than that -- IT MOCKS US.
God also NEVER once spoke of a "Globe or ball" earth. God spoke of a "face" of the earth. Btw, look up, 'Michelson-Morley experiment. It proved the earth does NOT spin; That we are indeed NOT spinning/moving. AT ALL.
I understand and agree with all of what you've said.
That said...
At the same time as Christians, we must be careful and be reminded to heed Jesus' own countenance and gentle rebuke in sharing the word and truth without pride or arrogance. I have been guilty of this as well.
I would ask -- are those who are trying to "save" your soul doing so more out of real love and concern? Or, as a matter of personal pride and one-upsmanship? (We've all been there.)
I'm not going to judge them, but leave them be. They've said what they believe. I understand it. I don't agree with them on many points. I've said what I believe. THey don't agree with me on many points. Nothing is served by beating it into the ground again.
As far as evolution goes, God made the land and the sky and filled them with living things. Evolution is probably how he did it. Nothing more needs to be said on that front either. Some agree, some disagree. They all have their reasons.
They've said what they believe. I understand it. I don't agree with them on many points. I've said what I believe. THey don't agree with me on many points. Nothing is served by beating it into the ground again.
Well stated.
We've got to be able to debate issues (as a forum) without insults and calling people "stupid" (even though we may believe that to be the case ;-)
As far as evolution goes, God made the land and the sky and filled them with living things. Evolution is probably how he did it. Nothing more needs to be said on that front either. Some agree, some disagree. They all have their reasons.
When you say, that God "probably" used "Evolution." on what evidence do you base your theory?
Why should this matter?
Because there can be only one truth. "Creationism" (like Plane/Flat Earth) speaks to the absolute fidelity and literal truth of God and His word with respect to His Creation.
Moreover Vic -- if there were indeed a pre-Adam man as well as "Dinosaurs" who lived 65 mil years ago AND "death" of all life before the fall of Adam & Eve, doesn't it dispel the entire account of God in the 6-Day Creation, including Adam and Eve out of the dust in the first place? Doesn't it also dispel the Genesis account that the Death of all subsequent life based on the fallen Adam & Eve and reason for a "second Adam" -- Jesus Christ -- no longer applies?
There were dinosaurs. We have the bones. There was death before Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. Animals and humans ate plants. Eating plants kills them.
Genesis is a poetic account of the filling of the land and the sky by God. It's not an actual scientific record.
It's important to understand that, because it demonstrates that the Bible cannot always be taken literally.
God, speaking from the sky, said of Jesus "This is my beloved son, listen to HIM." That's what I do - I listen to HIM. And given that I see contradictions between what HE said, and what Paul, James and John said; and also what the various Churches have taught, I have to decide whether I am going to try to blend what others have said with what HE said, and thereby dilute what he said, or if I'm going to take him straight and, therefore, diminish the others.
I choose the latter, for two reasons: (1) The actual examinable miracles left behind by Jesus over the ages are all about HIM, and (2) I know independently that God exists through miracle and communication.
Take (2) out, and I would be less tenacious about sticking to Jesus.
In any case, if somebody wants to talk to be about Christianity and persuade me of anything, he's going to have to do so through Jesus - and not try to cherry pick Jesus because I am very, very, very well versed in exactly what HE said. I'm not going to accept the authority of the Churches - they killed people, and thereby knocked out any claim to superior authority that I am going to admit into MY courtroom - they lost whatever authority they had by producing bloody fruit. And they're going to have to stop trying to pound Paul, John, James, Moses, etc. as the equals of Jesus. They're not. God said "Listen to HIM" and HE is Jesus.
My knowledge of what God wants, from the Bible, is built on the words of Jesus alone. That's the way it is, and that is how to approach me. I'm willing to pleasantly discuss why.
But the other thing one must not do is directly insult me in any way. I never start that sort of crap, not ever, and once it is introduced into my courtroom I gavel the person who insults me out of court for contempt. I never start that sort of thing, and once it appears, I shut the door.
So, the door is shut here, again. When Christians insult me, they demonstrate to me why their religion is dwindling so rapidly today. Lots of bad fruit there. No thanks.
I did try. But if people who come into my parlor to chat have to insult me, the conversation is over. Take your rotten fruit and false religions and get out.
But what it doesn't do is "prove" old age. Moreover, God did not create a "riddle" to purposely "fool" the same secular scientists who claim "Old Earth." This is *their* response in attempting to discredit an "Young Earth Creation."
There was death before Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. Animals and humans ate plants. Eating plants kills them.
No "death" before Adam and Eve's fall. Not according to Scripture.
Isn't it technically true that edible plants and their fruit and leaves could still be eaten without the plant's death?
Genesis is a poetic account of the filling of the land and the sky by God. It's not an actual scientific record.
That's one perspective. We need to be careful when defining "Science" -- especially in giving "Science" more authority on nature than it deserves or warrants.
FWIW, God's "poetry" is found more in Psalms and Song of Solomon. The Almighty was not speaking poetically when describing Genesis. NOR in Job. NOR in Isaiah.
What evidence or indicator leads you to believe Genesis is "poetry"?
Q: Why can't God's own account of Creation be literal truth? What would be the "proof" that dismisses its divine, literal account? What evidence dismisses the account of a 6-Day Creation? Is there any limitation to God?
God, speaking from the sky, said of Jesus "This is my beloved son, listen to HIM." That's what I do - I listen to HIM. And given that I see contradictions between what HE said, and what Paul, James and John said; and also what the various Churches have taught, I have to decide whether I am going to try to blend what others have said with what HE said, and thereby dilute what he said, or if I'm going to take him straight and, therefore, diminish the others.
Firstly, I don't doubt your personal faith in Jesus as Redeemer. Only you know your heart; Same of others.
I think we can agree on dismissing what man or "churches" claim is their unique version of "truth."
That said, there is still disagreement on the absolute authority and fidelity of Scripture as the inspired word of God through ALL of the Apostles -- including Saul/Paul, who did not walk this earth with Jesus. But then neither did Noah, Moses, Abraham, and Isaiah -- yet we still believe they spoke on behalf of God/Jesus.
Which "contradictions" do you see in the respective account of Paul, James and John?
In any case, if somebody wants to talk to be about Christianity and persuade me of anything, he's going to have to do so through Jesus - and not try to cherry pick Jesus because I am very, very, very well versed in exactly what HE said. I'm not going to accept the authority of the Churches - they killed people, and thereby knocked out any claim to superior authority that I am going to admit into MY courtroom - they lost whatever authority they had by producing bloody fruit. And they're going to have to stop trying to pound Paul, John, James, Moses, etc. as the equals of Jesus. They're not. God said "Listen to HIM" and HE is Jesus.
Well Vic -- you get an "AMEN, Brutha!" outta me on most of the above.
But when you reference "Churches," are you citing Papal authority and its abuse over the millennial? Who else specifically do you place on that list?
Beyond the teachings and Gospel of Jesus while his 33 years on this earth, He gave HIS divine power and authority onto His Apostles to carry out His same teachings and Gospel -- and then some. That is one primary reason Jesus chose/elected those Apostles for their mission. (For that matter, ALL of the Prophets -- including Moses -- spoke on behalf of The Lord as His Inspired Word.)
True, it does NOT mean nor was it ever intended that The Apostles were to be Jesus' "equal"; To my knowledge and from study of scripture, no one (or Apostle) has ever claimed that to be the case. BUT...they were entrusted, tasked AND chosen by Jesus Christ Himself to speak and testify ON BEHALF OF Him, ergo, God the Father. The weight that relationship between Jesus and His Apostles carries speaks for itself. It is documented.
To "shut the door" on and "slam the gavel" on the Divine Authority of the Apostles is to ignore the ongoing Authority, wisdom, and further teachings of Jesus Christ Himself. The "evidence" of their relationship and mission in spreading the Gospel is in plain sight and overwhelming.
What Jesus wants and commanded was for us to continue heeding the Word of His Apostles -- as they testify and speak of and for Him as the Inspired Word.
With respect to personal insults and disrespect by others, again, I share your frustration. It shouldn't be condoned. I do understand the frustration from them as well from a faith stand point...
I'd highly recommended NOT conflating or rejecting acceptance of any Truth simply because its presentation isn't acceptable or respectful. The stakes are high. That should be THE consideration.
You're gonna have to do a much better job than that of explaining your position. I can't read your mind. This is a convo between you and I. Not you etal.
Genesis is a poetic account of the filling of the land and the sky by God. It's not an actual scientific record.
It's important to understand that, because it demonstrates that the Bible cannot always be taken literally.
No death before sin. You're an idiot. No quotes from scripture as usual for you. Just the ravings of delusional lunatic who thinks he was a mouse or a rat raised from the dead. Go seek out mental health help.
They've said what they believe. I understand it. I don't agree with them on many points. I've said what I believe. THey don't agree with me on many points.
According to what you have said. The following is not Gods word according to you?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. (John 1:1–5)
God never said no death at all before the Fall. Paul did. It does not work, because the animals and man were all eating before the Fall. Plants are living things, as are their component parts. Paul’s statement gets at a spiritual truth, but it’s not biologically true.
The words you quoted are John’s, not God’s. John wrote them under God’s inspiration, and they reflect deep truths: that God willed everything into existence, but John did not take dictation. In Revelation, John takes direct dictation from Jesus, and clearly so indicates.
No. Cells are alive. When you eat them, they die. Animals and men were killing plants long before the fall. Nor does Genesis prescribe foot for sea creatures at all. What were sharks and whales eating? Text doesn’t say. Whatever it was, they, and all other sea creatures, were killing their food all along.
You’re an idiot....ravings of a delusional lunatic...Get mental help.
Look what you have to put up with to even try to have a quiet, rational conversation with a Christian if he disagrees with you. That’s the fruit of their pens. They “rebuke” you - as though what they say is at all persuasive. They abuse you and hector you constantly. And then, in the old days before the Age of Reason and the Revolutions, they killed you quite horribly if you did not submit to their illogic and emotion. Deprived of the power to kill, they never developed the power to speak rationally. They reject science, because it requires a revision of their understanding of their book. Muslims behave the same way.
Why would anyone want to join a club of people who treat them like this.
Why would I? When I tell them about my own contacts and communications with God, they impugn my sanity?
These Christians are full of rage, hate and insult. I like God much better than I like them. He’s nothing like them, and he demonstrates what he means. So I’ll stick with him. Talking to Christians is too unpleasant to keep up.
Cells are alive. When you eat them, you kill them.
As usual, some good reading from Answers In Genesis.
A snippet from the article "Death Before Sin?"
The Bible is very clear about the nature of life. Life, according to the Bible, resides in the "soul," or the Hebrew word "nephesh." This might be equated roughly with the concept of consciousness. This quality is ascribed only to man and some animals, but never plants. The Bible is also very clear as to what happens to plants—"they wither and fade" (Isaiah 40:6-8; James 1:10) but plants never die. They have biological life, but not Biblical life. Men and animals could eat plant life without death, in Biblical terms, taking place.
Link to the article: https://www.icr.org/article/295/
Link to a longer article "'Life' According to the Bible": https://answersingenesis.org/origin-of-life/what-is-life/life-according-to-the-bible-and-the-scientific-evidence/
Look what you have to put up with to even try to have a quiet, rational conversation with a Christian if he disagrees with you.
Quit bastarding scripture and you wont get corrected.
In other words give up your fake christian Catholic beliefs that contradict what Jesus and the Bible says. Every word of the Bible that is.
It isn't hate it is disgust at someone perverting Gods word like you do regularly. You rip pages out of the Bible because you can't live up to them. Then you add to scripture by accepting the lies of sinner popes. Purgatory for example 1 of 10000 or so.
This is an interesting discussion, “necessary”, Life, “soul” etc. Can we have the discussion off the board? It’s very difficult to talk calmly while being snarled at.
Jesus said that killers were consigned to the Lake of Fire at final judgment.
Then why are you working for the devil and trying to send people to hell when you said
"Yep. Let's throw off the mask.
I hate the enemy. Hate them. And I want to see them dead.
We cannot lose a war against them, and they're hellbent on war - seizing tankers, shooting down drones, supporting terrorism, declaring us the Great Satan - all of that shit.
Let's give them the war they so badly want. And continue that war until they are broken and cease to exist as an organized fighting force.
Persia delenda est.
So be it.
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