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Title: If A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words, Then What Do These Memes Say? (Parts VIII & I)
Source: The Potters Clay
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa6ulv9aQno
Published: Oct 10, 2018
Author: The Potters Clay
Post Date: 2019-10-07 12:02:10 by Liberator
Keywords: Truth, Memes, Hmmm
Views: 1785
Comments: 340

A little Meme action...
If you haven't seen them, checkout the rest!

A Flat Earth Picture is Worth a Thousand Words - Part I
https://youtu.be/ptar5YtS_Sk

A Flat Earth Picture is Worth A Thousand Words - Part II
https://youtu.be/FchgUVA4SxE

A Flat Earth Picture is Worth a Thousand Words - Part III
https://youtu.be/Kth6X1g7bWk

A Flat Earth Picture is Worth a Thousand Words - Part IV
https://youtu.be/eVk3DIwf66c

A Flat Earth Picture is Worth a Thousand Words - Part V
https://youtu.be/qJAsGkP99rg

A Flat Earth Picture is Worth a Thousand Words - Part VI
https://youtu.be/z2a6g-nfQRU

A Flat Earth Picture is Worth a Thousand Words - Part VII
https://youtu.be/9Xsh2LJ1SvY

A Flat Earth Picture is Worth a Thousand Words - Part IX
https://youtu.be/X-D54GbpPjQ


Poster Comment:

Get bored easily? No time to watch long videos? MEMES TO THE RESCUE! Short & Sweet.

These are found at a Christian You Tube called, 'The Potters Clay'...

These are REALLY good. Fun stuff. I promise. Spectacular AND clever. It doesn't matter what your core belief is; you will come upon several memes that will stop you dead in your tracks and challenge you.

(STRONG SUGGESTION: To adjust and slow these memes down, go to your YouTube 'Settings', then adjust 'Playback Speed to .75. It will give you more time to contemplate the meme, since they move along pretty fast.)

When you have the time, please give them all a look; I consider them a crash-course in Earth-Science Truth, Logic, and Reason.

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#1. To: Liberator (#0)

If A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words, Then What Do These Memes Say?

That you are a science and math retard.


Let's instead examine videos with actual content.

And here we have CoolHardLogic, asking pointed questions for the Flattards to answer.




We hear of the Flattards claiming the Bible teaches the earth is flat. Here is a preacher who does not agree at all.

Faithful Word Baptist Church is an "independent, fundamental, King James Bible Only Baptist" church.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-07   12:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#1)

Here's a question:

Are you capable of NOT being a puerile Jackass? Spamming is for children.

Rest easy. You can leave your sentry position. No body will steal your globe or "official report." I'll even give you a cookie.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-07   13:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Liberator (#2) (Edited)

It's obvious that you can't bear to have your ignorance exposed.

That won't stop me from continuing to do so.

Here is ABC's coverage of the first global Flat Earth convention, held in 2017.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-07   13:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, ALL (#1)

Let's instead examine videos with actual content.

That's NOT your actual mission here, so stop BS'ing. (IF you can help it.)

You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

Here's an idea: Why don't you create your OWN thread with your SPAM instead of trying to de-rail mine?

Do you fear others gaining information and knowledge that badly?

Is THIS what this has come to? Forum infants toss their Gerbers from their high chair and spam threads of subjects? Lol...man...

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-07   13:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#3)

That won't stop me from continuing to do so.

I know. Waaaahh!!!!!

(Goo-Goo)

Oh wait. Let me get you a new Pampers....

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-07   13:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative, All (#0)

Getting saved is the easiest and most important thing you can do :) You just have to come to the knowledge that you (like everyone else on earth) are a sinner in need of salvation or we would spend eternity in Hell. Salvation is not something we could ever attain on our own, that is why Jesus came to this earth and paid the ultimate price for our sins by allowing himself to be sacrificed for all mankind so through him we can be saved. Jesus led a sinless life and by doing so was able to take all of humanities sins they would ever commit on himself making one sacrifice that covered all sin.

To be saved you have to say a prayer something like this (and most importantly mean it because God reads your heart). Say "God I know I am a sinner. I know that because of my sin Jesus came to this earth and died for me making atonement for all the sins I would ever commit. I believe Jesus died on that cross and raised from the dead three days later conquering death and making a way for me to be saved by taking my sins upon himself. I pray Lord that you save me and come into my heart and life allowing me to be born again through Jesus, living in this world but no longer being of this world. Thank you Lord for saving my soul please lead me, guide me, and direct me all the remaining days of my life. In Jesus name I pray, Amen."

If you said that prayer and meant it you are saved and sealed and nothing anyone could ever say or do can take that away. I would continue to pray daily building a relationship with God, and read the bible some everyday as well. He knows you, but that's the only way to get to know him. Try your best to stop sinning (this is not possible by the way) but you have to make the effort because that is what true repentance means is that you will turn from your sin. Don't give up, this is not easy, I repent and ask God to forgive me for something or another every single day. He knows we aren't perfect, but if we truly love him we gotta try :)

God bless you, here are some scriptures that you might find helpful, and welcome to the family! :D

John 3:3 (KJV) 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Romans 3:23 (KJV) 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 6:23 (KJV) 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 5:8 (KJV) 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 10:9-10 (KJV) 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:13 (KJV) 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

John 3:16-17 (KJV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

How to be Saved - The Most Important "Truth"
https://youtu.be/4RSj-CMPBlw

Oft times the source of information is as important as the information itself that's being shared. For what it's worth, the above (as well as all the memes) were created by, 'The Potters Clay.' As can be noted, he is a Christian.

Many times it is worth knowing where someone stands, with whom they stand, and why. AND WHO OPPOSES THEM. (and why.)

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-07   13:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator (#0)

It's entertaining.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-10-07   20:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Liberator (#4)

Do you fear others gaining information and knowledge that badly?

Spreading lies and bullshit to people is a sin. I have zero respect for this flat earth bullshit. It is retarded. Was Ferdinand Magellan in on the conspiracy too?

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-08   8:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone, ALL (#8)

Spreading lies and bullshit to people is a sin.
I have zero respect for this flat earth bullshit.
It is retarded.
Was Ferdinand Magellan in on the conspiracy too?

Your response is telling; I read your four statements. All I can do is shake my head.

The truth is the truth. Remaining an ignorant ostrich and zombie isn't a reaction I respect.

If there's any "bullshit" that's been swallowed, it has been the daily Lie-after-Lie, Year-After-Year that been foisted upon you and everyone else. At this point only the indifferent, fearful, and stubborn continue to remain indoctrinated, duped and ignorant. Oh. And then of course there are the "The Gate Keepers", Dis-Info Specialists, and Block-Watchers. (Watch your back)

Come on, man! There's no excuse to buy any of the Big Lie(s) any more. Especially none whatsoever with an internet teeming with info and data that's just come into the light within the last 10 years or so...

Acknowledgement of above is indeed the case.

Given the past 10 years of headlines and insanity and agenda enforced by the elites, tell me -- just HOW do you believe any thing they say anymore?? But SOMEHOW you and many will STILL go out of your way to believe and remain so easily fooled by lab-coats, 'NASA' emblems, University "degrees," "Official Reports," CGI, fake history and science, and..."The Authoritahs"?? Even when they've been caught red-handed? Now THAT is bizarre.

Documented: Countless NASA lies and hoaxes. (if any have watched)

I have posted vids on NASA engineers and reps who have admitted they don't have the "technology" that allegedly enabled them to land men ON The Moon NOT ONCE, but FIVE TIMES!"; The same NASA officials who admit they can't "leave Low Earth Orbit"; Who admit they can't expose astronauts to the "Van Allen Radiation Belt". I've documented and posted videos of 50 years of sloppy NASA hoaxes, CGI screw-ups and theater; Of NASA's actual method of "Satellite" propulsion and transport (BALLOONS); Of the Antarctica Restrictions. And on and on and on ad infinitum.

There are none so blind as those who simply refuse to see.

I have also often cited as THE PTB motive specifically for hiding Our realm -- A FLAT EARTH -- it has always been to advance a satanic/humanistic narrative that "Hides God", His Truth, and His Glory.

The evidence proves Flat Earth via God's own word, Science and Observation is absolutely OVERWHELMING.

Look -- if you and others just can't handle this stuff, it's ok. But to be intellectually lazy or dishonest; refuse to actually examine reality; refuse to scrutinize the overwhelming evidence that exposes a political, scientific, and social conspiracy (yeah, THAT word) to subvert truth -- there's really no excuse for that. (Isn't this exactly why Conservatives laugh at Liberals and Democrats? Because they won't think logically? That that willfully remain "zombies"?)

Facts are facts. Whether you like them or not. I notice you won't refute anything when challenged.

Was Ferdinand Magellan in on the conspiracy too?

"Conspiracy" to do...what?? Sail west? I'd follow up your challenge but you aren't interested in that conversation either.

Bread & Circuses. Dust it all off.

*TO ALL*:

WHERE AND WHAT "THEY" DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW:

If YOU are interested in Truth, the following important sources and sites are highly suggested. (by which you should also check out the You Tube channels these sources link to.)

These sites and info are especially ticketed for ultimate take-down, burial and erasure by G00gle, You Tube, etc every day. Many are gone. Many have been hidden. But not anymore:

1) ThePottersClay
2) Natuber TV
3) ODD Reality
4) Rob Skiba
5) Eric Dubay
6) Taboo Conspiracy II
7) JTolan Media 1
8) William Guzman (the REAL one is really good)
9) Hibbler Productions
10) Jay Myers Documentaries
11) Astro Not II
12) Celebrate Truth
13) Jeranism
14) Flat Earth Brothers
15) Truth Center
16) Richie From Boston
17) DITRH
18) Hacking The Headlines
19) Probably Alexandra
20) FlatWater FlatEarth
21) The Amazing Polly
22) Research Flat Earth
23) A Call For An Uprising
24) FLAT EARTH DATA
25) Dorji Daka

YOU ARE NOW LOCKED AND LOADED.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-08   13:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

It's entertaining.

At least you checked it out. Thanks.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-08   13:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#10)

I found the rebuttal stuff to be insulting and mean-spirited. So, I'll give credit to the flat earthers for producing more enjoyable videos. The other guys' videos are insulting to the point of being disagreeable. (After all, what real DIFFERENCE does it make TO ME if the earth is round or flat? None at all.)

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-10-08   19:37:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Liberator (#0)

When you have the time, please give them all a look; I consider them a crash-course in Earth-Science Truth, Logic, and Reason.

I watched both. I find them, to varying degrees, flawed.

I'm not willing to rehash the science, at least right now. But setting science aside, I'd just speak to the conspiracy factor. If the earth is flat, then it's an absolutely enormous conspiracy going back some 15 generations to perpetuate this round earth lie. And the number of people that would have to be in on it in this day and age is huge. Not just NASA and astronomers, but meteorologists, navigators, and even satellite TV equipment manufactures.

Every parent knows how it is, and so does everyone who's ever been a kid. If you tell one lie, you later have to tell another lie to cover up for your first lie. And then a 3rd lie to cover for the second. It goes on and on and eventually the whole house of cards collapses under its own weight.

If the earth is flat, then the lie about the earth being round amounts to an absolute huge house of cards. Then again, I guess you would counter that the house has collapsed. For you. Fact is though, it's only collapsed for a tiny fraction of people. If you were right, this would have fallen over a very long time ago.

And that's even ignoring the question of what perpetuating this round earth theory was ever supposed to achieve in the first place. If it was to marginalize the story of Genesis in the Bible, then they could have done that in any number of other ways that would be safe from being disproved, unlike something so basic as the shape of the earth.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-10-09   0:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Liberator (#9)

Was Ferdinand Magellan in on the conspiracy too?

"Conspiracy" to do...what?? Sail west?

You're a retard.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-09   7:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite, vicomte13 (#12)

I just wondered if you would also waste your time watching a video about the fact tat 8 + 7 = 9?

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-09   7:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

I just wondered if you would also waste your time watching a video about the fact tat 8 + 7 = 9?

If I wanted to understand **why** someone honestly thought 8 + 7 = 9, then yes, I would, as watching it could be educational.

It's part of that listening thing I told you about yesterday.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-10-09   11:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Sure, if the subject of 8+7 =9 caused people to come out of their chair with fury fury th fury fury the way "flat earth" does.

Essentially, people who are angry and overwrought about silly things are an annoying, but pulling their chain and watching them flip out is fun.

I don't personally care if the world is flat or not. What difference does it make to me? None whatsoever. That mouthing some obvious platitude is SO important to some people - that their very essence is threatened by a silly challenge to a worldview such that they will become belligerently angry and indignant - well, then I want to provoke said overwrought soul, because w watching people get the vapors over nonsense warms the cockles of my wicked l little heart.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-10-10   10:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13, all (#16)

I don't personally care if the world is flat or not. What difference does it make to me? None whatsoever.

"Globe" Realm supports foundation of and for:

1) Big Bang/Random creation out of chaos
2) Evolution
3) Atheism
4) "Alien" Seeding
5) Paganism
6) Occult
7) The New World Order
8) Satanic/Luciferian-based world system of Lies & Deception
9) Lies that both Earth and Man are inconsequential specks in an infinite Universe

"Flat/Plane" Realm Earth supports foundation of and for:

1) Validates God's Word in Bible as truth of His Creation, it's sequence, and description
2) Validates Science
3) Reinforces God as only Creator of all Things
4) Reinforces God as Creator of Order
5) Reinforces God as Creator and Source of all Truth
6) Reinforces God as Creator of Purpose, Reason, & Function
7) Reinforces God's Creation of Man as special & unique
8) Reinforces God's truth that Earth is a special Realm at the Center of the Universe -- with man at It's Center

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-10   15:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Liberator (#17)

1) Validates God's Word in Bible as truth of His Creation, it's sequence, and description 2) Validates Science 3) Reinforces God as only Creator of all Things 4) Reinforces God as Creator of Order 5) Reinforces God as Creator and Source of all Truth 6) Reinforces God as Creator of Purpose, Reason, & Function 7) Reinforces God's Creation of Man as special & unique 8) Reinforces God's truth that Earth is a special Realm at the Center of the Universe -- with man at It's Center

You can't just post ascertains without backing them up. Your list is bullshit.

People who listen to you get dumber.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-10   16:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

You can't just post ascertains without backing them up. Your list is bullshit.

CHALLENGE:

Pick any assertion, and I will back it up.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-11   10:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Pinguinite (#12)

I watched both. I find them, to varying degrees, flawed.

Thanks for checking them out.

Some of the memes aren't going to be A+. But some of them are.

(Which meme or memes did you find "flawed" btw?)

...Setting science aside, I'd just speak to the conspiracy factor. If the earth is flat, then it's an absolutely enormous conspiracy going back some 15 generations to perpetuate this round earth lie.

I think we can both agree that acceptance of Globe Earth was first making headway near the time of Galileo and Copernicus, which would have been @ the 1500s. It was not fully accepted by a consensus until the mid-1800s -- at coincidentally the same time "institutional Science" (controlled by certain Elites with an agenda) was insisting that "Evolution" was fact AND that Dinosaurs were older than Man.

By the late 1800s and early 1900s Globe Earth was still being challenged strongly, believe it or not...

The is is now a Publisher called, 'Dead Authors Society' that enables one to purchase a plethora of re-released old books. I'd read, 'Terra Firma: The Earth Not A Plane, Proved From Scripture, Reason, and Fact' (Author: David Wardlaw Scott). It was published in 1903.

What especially fascinating about the book and perspective as written is the degree of knowledge about our realm -- even in 1903 -- style of writing, ideological and scientific battles at that time being waged over how our world should be perceived.

(I think you and others would find it a great read.)

Regarding any difficulty in catapulting any so-called, "Conspiracies" -- well, it's been quite easy. Institutional Science via schools were co-opted, where they *still* manage to convince the public via these secular humanist schools that 'Evolution' and 'Stone Age Man' is indeed a "Fact" -- even though it's been proven impossible.

Regarding our realm, Institutional Science and its cabal have simply rigged the system and what they insist are "natural laws" like "gravity", formulas like "the theory of relativity" and one that explains earth "curvature" -- ALL of which not only remain 'theories' but are proven false.

The number of people that would have to be in on it in this day and age is huge. Not just NASA and astronomers, but meteorologists, navigators, and even satellite TV equipment manufactures.

Right. And many *would* tell you they already *know* the truth of the matter (or risk ostracization and unemployment. *I* can't believe even how much *I* assumed and denied of my own eyes.)

Many of those memes can't be denied, btw. There are 8 more Meme Vids that provide further food for thought and additional "scientific" and observational contradictions FWIW.

Every parent knows how it is, and so does everyone who's ever been a kid. If you tell one lie, you later have to tell another lie to cover up for your first lie. And then a 3rd lie to cover for the second. It goes on and on and eventually the whole house of cards collapses under its own weight.

True. And Globe Earth remain the biggest, clearest case of adulthood Easter Bunny and Santa Claus (besides, 'Evolution, 'Big Bang', and "We from the Gummint and here to help.")

If the earth is flat, then the lie about the earth being round amounts to an absolute huge house of cards. Then again, I guess you would counter that the house has collapsed. For you. Fact is though, it's only collapsed for a tiny fraction of people. If you were right, this would have fallen over a very long time ago.

Aye-aye on all the above. (Except your last statement; The reason the PTB are freaking out about Flat Earth/NASA is...Knowledge of the truth is growing exponentially...And collapsing like many other things we've been told is "the truth.")

And that's even ignoring the question of what perpetuating this round earth theory was ever supposed to achieve in the first place.

(The Big Picture: please see my Post #17)

If it was to marginalize the story of Genesis in the Bible, then they could have done that in any number of other ways that would be safe from being disproved, unlike something so basic as the shape of the earth.

FWIW, besides Genesis, the shape of the Earth is also discussed in Psalms, Job, and Isaiah.

But to your premise, multiple civilizations for thousands of years had already presumed its shape not only to be Flat, but having a Dome or Firmament over it. I didn't make that up; That's a fact. Again, "Globe/Ball" earth has only been advanced as a theory since the 1500s, and "fact" only since the mid-1800s.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-11   11:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Liberator (#20)

But to your premise, multiple civilizations for thousands of years had already presumed its shape not only to be Flat, but having a Dome or Firmament over it.

This is all I see fit to respond to, with I'll do with a simple "of course". Anyone looking over long distances will have the impression the land is flat, with the exception of ships sailing over the horizon which might be mistaken for disappearing in the distant mist.

There's no reason ancients living thousands of years ago should be considered a scientific authority. If we don't consider them an authority when they said that all matter could be subcategorized into one of: Earth, Air, Fire & Water, and if they didn't understand even basic things air pressure, bacteria, steam engines and the like, then why would or should they be considered an authority on the shape of the earth?

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-10-11   14:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pinguinite, ALL (#21)

There's no reason ancients living thousands of years ago should be considered a scientific authority. If we don't consider them an authority when they said that all matter could be subcategorized into one of: Earth, Air, Fire & Water...

....and if they didn't understand even basic things air pressure, bacteria, steam engines and the like, then why would or should they be considered an authority on the shape of the earth?

Several separate civilizations (or "authorities" of the day) ALL conceptualized similar configurations of our earthly realm as can be seen below. What are the odds?? NONE conceptualized any realm that was remotely a "ball" or globular. These concepts were more accepted even as recently as the 16th century.

The elements of the earth are a whole different category.

Why should the previous 5,000 years of mankind's knowledge of nature and science be invalidated? They weren't scientifically uneducated and ignorant of technology. In many ways it could be said that they were more advanced and regressed after the Fall of the Roman Empire.

What of the Pyramids the world over? All the Chinese and folk herbal remedies and treatment? Roman sewer systems and aqueducts? And so forth.

It really wasn't until the mid-19th century and beyond that man began harnessing "high tech" and discoveries on a macro level. Much of the biological by the mid-20th century.

Why dismiss and invalidate all past civilizations' scientific credibility, discoveries and truth on the basis of realm concepts? Moreover, hasn't "modern science and tech" had to build on past tested scientific evidence, truths and technologies?

"Science" has claimed a "Big Bang" and "Evolution" are "FACT"; Based on what?

At the World's museums "Science" claims a "Prehistoric Man" -- that he indeed evolved from Apes. Based on what? Same of the age of fossils and dinosaur bones. Same of both the age of the Universe and alleged near-infinite size.

By what criteria does "Science" claim "empirical evidence" in any of these cases? (HAVE those theories been supported by any evidence -- as per "Scientific protocols"?

With respect to the actual shape of this earthly realm, I'd mentioned in a prior post that by the turn of the 20th century there was still a big battle raging over the actual shape of the earth.

Serious question to you or anyone else:

By whose authority, by what criteria IS the earth said to definitively be a "globe"? Because IF it's NASA, they and their credibility is already an ongoing problem and challenge. If it's flight, the horizon is proven to rise as flat -- whether the horizon at ocean level, the horizon at cloud-level, "space" at low-altitude balloon level.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-11   19:34:16 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator (#22)

By whose authority, by what criteria IS the earth said to definitively be a "globe"? Because IF it's NASA, they and their credibility is already an ongoing problem and challenge. I

You really are big on that "whose authority?" question, and not just on religious topics.

I really don't have the time or inclination to continue on this. Not now. You are wrong on this. I am satisfied that you have chosen to believe the earth is flat, and that the power of that belief overwhelms the physical evidence of a spherical earth that is all around us. So much in this world wouldn't be as it is if the earth was flat, like flying from Chile to New Zealand in 13 hours at commercial jet speeds. That is such a basic piece of evidence that blows flat earth out of the water all by itself. TC posted this vid about the psychological term for describing an inability to accurately understand or comprehend certain subjects. I forget the term. I know I'm terrible at some subjects and good at others. One area I'm good at is math and, as it pertains to the flat earth subject, geometry. If you are not good at spacial comprehension, and it seems you are not, then that's okay. But I can, with full confidence and respect, say to you that you are so very, very wrong in believing the earth is flat. Every single argument for a flat earth falls flat on its face. Every. Single. One.

The power we have to believe things that are not true is one of the most underrated powers known to man. Almost no one appreciates how true that is. And that truism is one reason why I cannot believe that God would judge us on what we believe, rather, what we do with what we believe.

Best to you...

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-10-11   22:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Pinguinite (#23) (Edited)

You really are big on that "whose authority?" question, and not just on religious topics.

I am. But aren't you as well? After all, on who or what source shall we base "truth"? (or credibility?)

You are wrong on this...

I could accept your premise -- IF it were based on refutations. But all I ever see is THIS one by you:

...So much in this world wouldn't be as it is if the earth was flat, like flying from Chile to New Zealand in 13 hours at commercial jet speeds. That is such a basic piece of evidence that blows flat earth out of the water all by itself.

It does no such thing. It's been this very same citation of flight times from Chile to New Zealand I keep seeing as THE prima facia "evidence" and a guarantee by you as well as Flat Earth opponents by search engines that our realm is a "Globe." Strange.)

It is on this one basis ALL other evidence to the contrary should be dismissed??

Meanwhile, I've lost count of what must be hundreds of pieces of evidences I've submitted that prove the earth is NOT a "GLOBE," and still you claim, "every single argument for a flat earth falls flat on its face. Every. Single. One."

Why engage in cognitive absolutism without examining the tangible, provable data, science, observations, and facts? Please refute ANY of the memes. Just one.

One area I'm good at is math and, as it pertains to the flat earth subject, geometry.

Alrighty then. Great! Then explain the following geometric out- of-the-way paths this (below).

It is said that Santiago-Sydney flights (close to your examples of Chile to New Zealand, right?) go into the Northern hemisphere making stop-overs at LAX and other North American airports before continuing back down to the Southern hemisphere. Such ridiculously wayward detours make no sense on the globe but make perfect sense and form nearly straight lines when shown on a flat Earth map.

Curious geometry:

(200 Proofs The Earth Is Not A Spinning Ball)

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-12   9:23:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Liberator (#24) (Edited)

Meanwhile, I've lost count of what must be hundreds of pieces of evidences I've submitted that prove the earth is NOT a "GLOBE,

You haven't proved shit. You just proved you are gullible and easily manipulated.

I will most likely be deleting flatard articles. I will not participate in making people stupid.

From this point it is delete. I may even go back and delete.

Blatant lies have no place here. Even if you think lies are the truth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-12   9:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#25)

You haven't proved shit. You just proved you are gullible and easily manipulated.

You have proven to me that like a child, you "la-la-la!" and cover your ears. You can't handle the truth.

From this point it is delete. I may even go back and delete.

Am I supposed to cry? This is your ball, your toy, isn't it? If you want to be an A-Hole with these kinds of threats, go right ahead. It's *your* integrity and honor on the line.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-12   14:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#25) (Edited)

Blatant lies have no place here.

PROVE THE LIES. Just one. Put up or shut up.

Liberator  posted on  2019-10-12   14:18:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Liberator (#27)

Blatant lies have no place here. PROVE THE LIES. Just one. Put up or shut up.

Waste of time. You will just say CGI, fake, nasa is making it up etc.

Mission accomplished for the flatards they have made you look like a fool. So we now have another christian looking like a fool. They are thinking if this goofball thinks the earth is flat and the Bible teaches that...well no need for the Bible is if is full of lies.

I don't think you are a bad person. I've always liked you. Always. I just think you are gullible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-12   15:53:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Liberator (#24) (Edited)

After all, on who or what source shall we base "truth"? (or credibility?)

Hasn't God given us logical thinking ability? If he has, we should use it. If he hasn't then nothing we conclude can be held against us.

But all I ever see is THIS one by you:

...So much in this world wouldn't be as it is if the earth was flat, like flying from Chile to New Zealand in 13 hours at commercial jet speeds. That is such a basic piece of evidence that blows flat earth out of the water all by itself.

I've refuted other arguments and even suggested an photo experiment of the moon from our respective geographic locations. The degree of conclusiveness of counterarguments vary. A difference in rotation of the moon is somewhat less than easy understand. A ship disappearing over the horizon depends on a consensus of perception. Navigation discrepancies requiries some knowledge of the art. But the flight mentioned would simply be impossible. It's easy to understand and doesn't depend on exact calculations of time and distance. It doesn't depend on info provided by NASA. It's a flight done directly from South America to NZ &/or Australia. So yes, it's my favorite for all those reasons.

It is on this one basis ALL other evidence to the contrary should be dismissed??

Seeing how arguments about how the sun would change its apparent size drastically on a daily basis, the sun would never be seen going below the horizon (according to the model you've subscribed to) doesn't put a dent in things, then yes.

Meanwhile, I've lost count of what must be hundreds of pieces of evidences I've submitted that prove the earth is NOT a "GLOBE," and still you claim, "every single argument for a flat earth falls flat on its face. Every. Single. One."

At least half of the "hundreds" of pieces of evidence is not evidence at all. It's merely arguments in favor of flat earth theory -- a big difference. And evidence is not proof. A footprint of someone's shoe at a crime scene is not proof the shoe owner was there. But it is evidence in support. An apparent straight line of sight for many miles from one end of a canal to the other is evidence of flat earth. But it is not proof, if the flatness of the canal can be attirbuted to one end being at a higher altitude than the other.

Why engage in cognitive absolutism without examining the tangible, provable data, science, observations, and facts? Please refute ANY of the memes. Just one.

You won't listen. Your mind is made up. But flipping the first vid randomly to 3:50, 6 photos are shown of a guy in some kind of vessel with various images visible out a window. Obviously fake, but who made them? A flat earther? It's not proof of flat earth, or proof of earth being any particular shape at all, whether it be shaped like a globe, pyramid, hour glass, a donut, a beer can, a bull horn, a car piston or any other shape you can imagine. Even if NASA made these, it still wouldn't prove anything about the earth's shape There, you have one.

It is said that Santiago-Sydney flights (close to your examples of Chile to New Zealand, right?) go into the Northern hemisphere making stop-overs at LAX and other North American airports before continuing back down to the Southern hemisphere. Such ridiculously wayward detours make no sense on the globe but make perfect sense and form nearly straight lines when shown on a flat Earth map.

Simple. They have little to do with geometry, and everything to do with the fact that a lot of people boarding in Chile are going to both the east and west coast of the USA. And there are people boarding on the East coast going to the west coast and to Australia. And people boarding on the West coast going to Australia. So it has little to do with geometry and everything to do with running an airline business. If the vast majority of people boarding in Chile are not going to Australia, then going straight there would pretty much upset most of the passengers.

Your own map shows a distance of 25,400 km between Chile and Australia. That's 15,783 miles. Flown in 13 hours would be 1214 MPH. Speed of sound, some 700 MPH and change. So not stop flights would have to be near mach 2 in planes not designed to even exceed mach 1, much less sustain it for 13 hours, which I'm guessing no mach 2 aircraft can do due to the increased fuel consumption rate, as drag increases by the square of an aircraft's speed. But.... Doesn't matter, does it?

But you will not accept this, or even if you do, it won't change your mind about the earth being flat. So it's all really a waste of time.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-10-13   2:42:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pinguinite (#29)

I think Liberator knows the great Christopher Columbus sailed West and discovered the New world.

I wonder if Liberator knows about Marco Polo traveling from Italy to China.

i wonder if Liberator thinks if you go West from California you will fall off the edge of the earth.

I wonder if Liberator is curious how the Chinese got to California to work on the rail roads. Did they sail west and go around South America to get there.

I guess all the Airliners and all their pilots are in on the hoax too.

waste of time trying to convince someone who brainwashed themselves watching stupid youtube videos.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-13   8:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite, Liberator, tooconservative (#29)

A cruise to the end of the earth by the great ice wall that keeps the wildings out and keeps the sharks from falling off the edge of the earth is taking reservations.

Kook ship of fools.

www.themanual.com/travel/...arth-cruise-2020-details/

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-10-13   11:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Pinguinite (#23)

TC posted this vid about the psychological term for describing an inability to accurately understand or comprehend certain subjects. I forget the term.

Dyscalculia

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-13   12:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#31)

A cruise to the end of the earth by the great ice wall that keeps the wildings out and keeps the sharks from falling off the edge of the earth is taking reservations.

I hate to admit it but I would love to go on this cruise, just to document all the kookeries.

Reminds me a bit of the old Freeper cruises. They organized a couple of them. They had a group back then called Clown Posse that existed mostly just to ridicule the freeper antics. And they never had such a bonanza as the photos and posts about the freeper cruises, especially the second and third freeper cruises. BobJ and Diotima in very unsexy and too-revealing photos. The Clowns actually had people at various ports of call for the cruise, taking photos of the sad-ass freepers. And at least one Clown was undercover, actually on the cruise ship with the freepers. It was wildly funny stuff, really mean-spirited.

I have regretted over the years that I didn't keep an archive of the antifreeper Clown Posse stuff. It seems that RimJob threatened them with lawsuits and they folded up and disappeared entirely.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-13   12:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Liberator, Pinguinite, A K A Stone (#24)

Curious geometry:

The nearest airport to Sydney is Kingsford Smith Airport (SYD) and the nearest airport to Santiago is Arturo Merino Benitez Airport (SCL).

Your flat earth map says Sydney to Santiago is 25,400km (15,782 nautical miles or 18149 statutory miles).

According to round earth maps, the distance is 11,340km (6,250 nautical miles or 7053 statutory miles).

According to this page, Quantas and LAN Airlines both declare the flight time is 12.5 hours duration. You can find other sites that go as high as 14 hours but the general range is established.

Typical estimates for modern intercontinental airlines is 500mph with some a little faster or slower. The regularly scheduled non-stop Qantas flights are QF27 and QF28 (eastbound and westbound) and these are daily flights advertised as 12.5 hours flight time. You can verify flight prices and times and duration and live flight status of Qantas QF27 and QF28 flights by referring to these flight route numbers in any search engine.

The 747-400, the most common variant in service, has a high-subsonic cruise speed of Mach 0.85–0.855 (up to 570 mph or 920 km/h) with an intercontinental range of 7,260 nautical miles (8,350 statute miles or 13,450 km).[16]

So a trip from Santiago to Sydney on Flat Earth Airlines (15,782 miles) would normally require the airliner to fly for 31.5 hours @ 500mph, in keeping with your Flat estimate . For Flat Earth Airlines plane to make that trip in just 12.5 hours, it would have to fly almost 1300mph.

However, if you fly on Round Earth Airlines between those two cities - a distance of 6,250 miles - it will take you . . . exactly 12.5 hours. Just as the airlines have advertised for years.

Keep in mind that airlines advertise 14 hours but they include at least a half-hour at both departure and arrival for airport delays, boarding, etc. The flight time is always less than what the airlines advertise. Also, some of these sites confuse nautical miles for statute miles so keep that in mind when you make calculations and make sure you know which number the airline is using. Airlines also have extra prep time for very long flights over the oceans and crew layover times that can affect the advertised flight time.

Expedia: Santiago to Sydney non-stop flights

Well, I'm kinda meandering here a bit.

Let me just point out something: there can be no non-stop flights whatsoever between Sydney and Santiago using Boeing/Airbus airliners. They would fall into the ocean with empty fuel tanks if they tried to make a 25,400km flight.

Aerospace-Technology.com: The top 10 longest range airliners in the world

Boeing and Airbus take pride in manufacturing some of the world's longest range airliners. The Boeing 777-200LR - with a massive range of 17,395km - tops the list, followed by the Airbus A340-500 with a range of 16,670km.
So are 300-400 people per day just dying when their airliners crash into the sea and no one ever mentions it or NASA is somehow deceiving us all? Are you stating that these non-stop flights do actually fly over the United States at any time, day or night, and none of the passengers ever notice all those brightly-lit cities along the way or that huge continental land mass? There are 300-400 people flying these non-stop flights, generally on a daily basis and none of them ever notice they were flying over South America and North America on their way between Chile and Australia? Or is NASA just deceiving us all by getting Qantas to advertise these flights but they never actually take the passengers on those flights after they book them and pay for them?

I could go on at length but I really don't want to contribute to making the world a stupider place.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-13   14:26:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Liberator (#34)

The question of proof to the skeptic fascinates me, whatever the subject.

So, let me ask you something. If I put you in the cockpit of a long-range airc aircraft. Say, flying due north from New York. So you could look out the fron front window the whole time and see the instruments, and gave you detailed flig flight map so you could follow along the route with your finger. Every few hour hours we would land to let you rest/sleep, etc., so that you always knew where you you w you you were in fixed reference to the ground. Then we took back off and continued the the the the route, flying over the north pole, then across through Russia, and down the othe oth othe other side of the world, map in hand, stopping to sleep. Then up again, over the th the the South Pole, and back up this side of the world to New York, would you then beli b beli believe that the world was round?

What about if we went up further, into space, and you watched the world turn be below you, would you believe it then?

What would it take to convince you to believe that the world really is round?

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-10-14   8:59:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vicomte13 (#35)

What would it take to convince you to believe that the world really is round?

I always wonder if kooks would abandon their multiple kook theories if you thoroughly disproved their major kook theory.

I think they wouldn't. Being a CT nutjob or full-blown multi-kook is a mental habit and deep-set personality characteristic.

If you disprove one kookery, they'll just find another one. But then, I've never been able to put it to the test thoroughly. Which is what you are proposing.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-14   11:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Tooconservative (#36)

I don't care about the "kook" label. I've heard many epithets hurled at me be because of things that I know that I cannot prove to others because I have no me means to do so.

I am fascinated by adamant deniers - of God, for example - or, in this case, of the the spheroidal nature o the the spheroidal nature of the Earth.

It does not make me angry, in the slightest degree, that people are Flat Ea Earthers. I just wonder what it would take to demonstrate to them that the Ea Earth is, in fact, a spheroid.

I'm pretty sure that no amount of book waving for finger-wagging would do it, just a just as no amo just a just as no amount of that has ever been able to convince me of a single thing concer concerning Go concer concerning God and his existence. I required independent, empirical evidence of the of the sort of the of the sort that I would accept. Nobody provided me that, or tried, but God did. did. So I did. did. So I know there's God, because I know God.

Since that time, others have vehemently wagged fingers and books at me telling me t me that I me t me that I DON'T know God, that I am delusional, etc., but I just laugh inside at t at them a at t at them and feel a little bit sorry for them, for reasons I needn't further elab elaborate.

I've thought about it. I think the world is round because I don't see any pa particular reason to question it. I've sailed the world around, northern and so southern hemispheres, seen that the stars are different down under, seen what lo looks to me like a curved earth, watched ships rise out of the sea on one ho horizon and sink into the sea on the other. That this is because the earth is cu cur cu curved makes sense to me. The notion that there is a giant conspiracy...about AN AN AN ANYTHING...always sounds nutty to me, and makes me wonder why the person ch chooses to reject things that they reject.

Still, it doesn't BOTHER me that people think the earth is flat. Heresy doesn't provoke any ire in me.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-10-14   16:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Tooconservative (#34)

Let me just point out something: there can be no non-stop flights whatsoever between Sydney and Santiago using Boeing/Airbus airliners. They would fall into the ocean with empty fuel tanks if they tried to make a 25,400km flight.

That's a good point. I didn't even think of that. There's only one plane that has ever been built capable of a non-stop flight of that distance, and it was the Rutan's "Voyager" aircraft specifically built for the task. 2 crew, 2 prop engines, one of which was switched off a couple days into the flight. It purported ly flew 28,000 miles and took 9 days to do it back in 1986.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-10-15   4:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#37)

just a just as no amo just a just as no amount of that has ever been able to convince me of a single thing concer concerning Go concer concerning God and his existence.

I presume this stuttering issue has never appeared for you during preview of your post, only after final posting?

I've never seen this happen to any of my posts. However, there is some preprocessing of comments before they are written to the DB.

Pinguinite  posted on  2019-10-15   5:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Pinguinite (#39)

It happens on one compjuter - the other one - that I use during the day.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-10-15   6:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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