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Title: Taxpayers to Be Held Liable After Cops Steal Man’s Phone, Film Themselves Conspiring to Frame Him
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Published: Sep 29, 2019
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2019-09-29 10:58:38 by Deckard
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Hartford, CT — On September 11, 2015, journalist and police accountability activist, Michael Picard was illegally detained for lawfully open carrying and filming police on public property. During the illegal detainment, Connecticut state troopers confiscated his gun and his camera. However, the trooper who took the phone went on to make a critical mistake — he left the camera rolling while conspiring with fellow officers to falsely charge Picard. In 2017, it was revealed by the department that they investigated themselves and found they did nothing wrong when they conspired to frame an innocent man. “They were exonerated,” police union attorney Mark Dumas said. “The troopers didn’t do anything wrong. They were doing their jobs, and they do an excellent job.” Apparently this “excellent job” consisted of trampling the rights of an innocent person and conspiring to have them kidnapped and locked in a cage. Sure thing, Dumas. Now, because the system failed to hold the officers accountable, the case is now a civil matter and the troopers involved have been ordered to stand trial in the civil suit brought on by the ACLU of Connecticut. The taxpayers, not the officers will be the ones to pay for the crimes. The Free Thought Project spoke to the ACLU via email this week, who issued the following statement on the case. “The Constitution is clear: people have a right to protest the police, and people have a right against police taking their property from them without a warrant,” said ACLU of Connecticut legal director Dan Barrett, who is representing Picard in the lawsuit. “The evidence, including video, will show that these police employees were more concerned with covering up their bad behavior, undermining free speech, and retaliating against a protester than with upholding the law. We look forward to getting justice for Michael in front of the jury.” We agree. TFTP also spoke to Picard, who told us the following. “People have the right to protest, including the right to protest police, without ticketing or retaliation against them. I am deeply disappointed that these police ignored my rights, and I am hopeful that the court will hold them accountable so that no one else has to experience what I did,” said Picard. As TFTP reported at the time, on that September night, Picard and a friend were on public property and warning drivers of a DUI checkpoint ahead. They were several hundred yards from the checkpoint and not interfering at all when troopers drove up, without lights on, and against the flow of traffic, to begin harassing the two gentlemen. Trooper First Class John Barone, Sergeant John Jacobi, and Trooper Jeff Jalbert falsely claimed that Picard was waving his gun around and pointing it at people. However, Picard was holding a sign the entire time and did not touch his gun. Also, as you will see below, the officers admit that they were lying. “Police should be focused on public safety, not punishing protesters and those who film public employees working on a public street,” said ACLU-CT legal director Dan Barrett, who is representing Picard in the lawsuit. “As the video shows, these police officers were more concerned with thwarting Mr. Picard’s free speech and covering their tracks than upholding the law.” Had Picard actually been waving a gun, these troopers would have approached the situation in an entirely different manner, with guns drawn and possible SWAT backup. However, they did no such thing, because there was clearly no threat from the activists. The fact that there was no threat did not stop the subsequent assault, however. Two troopers approached Picard while forcefully removing his gun and then grabbing his camera, falsely claiming it is illegal to film. When Picard informs the officer can legally film here, the officer ignorantly asserts that “It’s illegal to take my picture. Personally, it is illegal.” “Did you get any documentation that I am allowing you to take my picture”? asks the cop. When Picard attempts to explain to the aggressive officer that he doesn’t need a permit because he is on public property, the trooper then makes the asinine declaration that, “No I’m not (on public property). I’m on state property. I’m on state property.” State-owned roadways and right of ways are public property. The trooper’s assertion that it is illegal to film on his ‘state property’ was entirely false and in violation of Connecticut Bill No. 245, which “protects the right of an individual to photograph or video record peace officers in the performance of their duties.” All this aggressive and unlawful behavior of these troopers, however, was about to come back to haunt them. After illegally confiscating the camera — the trooper forgot to stop it from recording. What happened next was a behind the scenes glimpse of what it looks and sounds like when cops lie to charge innocent people with crimes. The corruption starts as an unidentified trooper begins to search for anything that these gentlemen may have done to make up charges against them. However, they were clean. At this point, Trooper first class Barone chimes in describing how they now have to charge these men with something to justify their harassment and subsequent detainment. “Want me to punch a number on this? Gotta cover our ass,” explains the trooper as they begin conspiring. “Let’s give him something,” says an unidentified trooper, pondering the ways they can lie about this innocent man. “What are they going to do? Are they going to do anything?” says Sergeant Jacobi, noting that they are entirely innocent. “It’s legal to do it,” he continues, describing how the actions of the two activists are completely legal, before going on to make up charges on them. “I think we do simple trespass, we do reckless use of the highway and creating a public disturbance,” Jacobi says as he makes up these false charges against innocent people. “All three are tickets.” Once they figure out the false charges to raise, the officers then brainstorm a story of lies to back them up. “And then we claim that, um, in backup, we had multiple, um,” the unidentified trooper stutters as he makes up his fake story. “Um, they (the non-existent complainants) didn’t want to stay and give us a statement, so we took our own course of action.” The corrupt cops had then solved their fake case, lied about a cover story, and were set to charge an innocent man with three crimes — all in a day’s work. But there was just one more thing…. “Oh s**t!” blurts out the cop as he realizes their entire scandalous corrupt conversation was just recorded. Apparently, however, the officer felt that it must not have recorded their conversation as the phone was returned. The cops then gave the innocent man back his weapon, and it’s back to the DUI checkpoint for them — to harass and detain more innocent people. Picard explained that all of the troopers involved in his unlawful situation were never disciplined and allowed to progress through the ranks, with some of them retiring. Picard explains: Trooper First Class John Barone, the trooper who said it was illegal for me to record him, seized my camera and recorded himself saying, “We gotta cover our ass,” is now retired and collecting a pension thanks to the taxpayers. Sergeant John Jacobi is now retired and collecting a pension thanks to the taxpayers. Master Sergeant Patrick Torneo, the trooper who said “let’s give him something,” and then helped fabricate a story to charge me, was demoted for reportedly driving drunk, but is now a lieutenant. Lieutenant Stavros Mellekas, who conducted the internal affairs “investigation” and found that the troopers did nothing wrong, was magically promoted four ranks, and is now second in command of the Connecticut State Police. All troopers are being represented by the attorney general’s office and their defense is being paid for by the taxpayers. This is justice in the land of the free.
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#90. To: Tooconservative (#89)
Where does your local court pick it’s jury pool from? The same liberally indoctrinated people that watch MSM, get college indoctrinated degrees... and watch indoctrinated Hollyweird on TV. Pretty soon, we’ll be able to sue a taxi driver for going off duty 5 minutes before a drunk leaves the bar. Of course he could have prevented it.
Well, maybe. I wonder what the liability is if a veteran police officer poisons a neighbor's cat with a fish poisoned with antifreeze, a piece of bait intended to harm a domestic animal. What would the police officer's employer's liability be? Know of any cases like that? I know a lot of states have laws to protect domestic animals, even crappy ones like rats and hamsters and ferrets, from being killed even if the laws would otherwise allow it if they were not someone's pet. You may be able to kill feral cats in all 50 states. But a cat or dog or other pet is pretty hard to consider feral, especially if they have a home base and lack hunting skills to feed themselves which is true of a lot of pets, some of whom may kill prey, like a cat killing a mouse, but won't eat it.
If it’s roaming free... it’s feral. do·mes·ti·cate (dY-ms′t--kt′) tr.v. do·mes·ti·cat·ed, do·mes·ti·cat·ing, do·mes·ti·cates 1. To cause to feel comfortable at home; make domestic. Wild animals roam. Domestic pets belong on your property or IN your home. Do you let your cat shit on your neighbors, too? Be honest.
I don't have any pets currently. I take a very dim view of large dogs roaming free and leaving surprises on other people's lawns to find when mowing grass. I'm extremely hostile to large dogs crapping on my lawn and to their owners. Cats, well, I don't like the little dead-looking spots they cause for a month when they take a big pee on your lawn. But their turds aren't big enough to make a mess out of the mower. So I wouldn't throw a antifreeze-poisoned fish out on the lawn to kill a trespassing cat to keep it from peeing or pooping on my lawn, you know, like some cops would. We do have a roaming cat problem in the neighborhood though. Including mama cats who keep crapping out litters of kittens. They were down to two kittens, then one disappeared. Last week, I went out to walk and noticed the last kitten, barely able to navigate on its own, was crying and mewling more than a block away in the alley. I think its mama lost track of it and it wandered off. It's probably dead by now if some softie idiot didn't take it in so they could brag to their friends about "rescuing" that poor kitten, blah-blah-blah. So we're back to a couple of mama cats, waiting to get knocked up and have kittens in the spring, of which only one or two will survive to reproduce. But they don't make a big mess or pee on stuff too much. I suppose they do pose a hazard to other cats and the old bat and her granddaughter who feed the cats (sometimes) and let them live under her porch might catch toxoplasmosis from them but that is their business if they want to catch brain diseases from semi-feral cats. It's a free country and people can have all the cat-based brain diseases they want.
You wanna know how that’s caused? lol. Two things. 1) Lazy cat owners like A K A Flip Flop, who are too fucking lazy and cheap to buy cat litter, and clean a fucking litter box. So they love on the cat for an hour a day and allow it to shit on their neighbors for 23.... that’s called love. Then they EXPECT ME TO VALUE THEIR CAT, LIKE THEY DO. YOUR CAT is no different than a deer to me. You expect too much. 2) Sheep that allow it, and call animal control... and nothing is done. For the record, I’ve not killed a single kitty, besides a few unfortunate ones that kamikaze ran under my moving vehicle... and I don’t even know if they died. I just can testify that when I looked in the rear view mirror, the vermin was still flopping around like a fish out of water.
I'm not mean enough just to kill them wantonly. That would change if they annoyed me enough. I don't allow them to perch on the front step or back porch for their little mewling outbursts or their cat orgies. That's what the hose is for. They seem to understand quickly that they aren't welcome when you douse them with cold water. I know it isn't as much fun as antifreeze but I make do with what I have on hand.
And that’s what I know about A K A Flip Flop. He can threaten to “kick my ass” all he wants, but he ain’t built for the job.
I know it isn't as much fun as antifreeze but I make do with what I have on hand. You should study small felines. They don’t learn... but their behaviors can be modified by removing reproductive organs, front claws... or even their blood pressure. Trying to teach a cat not to return and victimize your property is like trying to convince A K A Flip Flop that he’s a lazy pet owning asshole neighbor.
Cats hate certain things. Like sudden noises made by vacuum cleaners and most electrical fans at startup. They dislike being wet in general but especially being soaked to the skin by being immersed. They dislike electrical sparks if the voltage is high enough. There are things they hate enough that they remember if you have done something to them, like a sudden bucket of water on them. Or a shop vac starting up very near them.
Objection your Honor. The record will show that Mr. Deckard espoused no so-called "legal theory", He merely compared nolu spam's....er I mean chan.... Ahem...as I was saying, your Honor - Mr. chan has impressed us all with his nose-to-the grindstone efforts, relentlessly scouring through reams of cases that may help him in the admirable yet so sadly and strikingly Sisyphean (H/T: Tooconservative) task he has been performing and will continue to faithfully perform. The record will show that I requested Deckard's legal theory at #74 and #76, and he has yet to respond to either. Instead, as is his custom, he chose to irrelevantly respond to #78 which quotes a case on qualified immunity. Accepting your latest mealy mouthed excuse, you deny saying anything about anything, and have no legal theory about how to defend the Matt Agorist screaming headline that the tax payer will pay. As you deny all knowledge, your non-opinion opinion is worthless, as usual, and you a relegated back to your corner to squat in your own warm piss. Attempts to posit a viable legal theory so far are acts of futility, as addressed below.
Key word generally. Not always. I have added the context back in for you. Do you allege the officers in Picard were merely performing discretionary functions? If not, your cited matter is irrelevant. In any case, that is a disscussion of the application of qualified immunity. Do you find qualified immunity applies to the officers? If so, any associated charge is dismissed on summary judgment and nobody pays. Do you find the officers do not qualify for qualified immunity? Why not? If you find the officers' acts or omissions were wanton, reckless or malicious, and thereby voided their claim to qualified immunity, the Court will assess any damages against the officers as individuals. Under what law do you hold that Connecticut is liable to pay the officers, who acted within the discharge of their duties, for damages assessed for acts which were wanton, reckless or malicious? So far, you have made zero progress.
https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-news-athena-angeles-child-abuse-dcf-20190104-rb6ibk7thnaf7o24dg35n2apwq-story.html In the end I suspect Connecticut will pay out in the case we are discussing too. If I am wrong I don't care. It is just my opinion of what will happen. States pay out all the time. Yes there is a DIFFERENT case in Connecticut. It is so different that it is in STATE court and not in FEDERAL COURT. Cases may be brought in State court if the state permits them. When an individual brings a case in Federal court, the State may not be named as a defendant. The Federal government cannot award damages against a State. This whole case is irrelevant.
This whole case is irrelevant. Au contraire. The Supremes on a number of occasions have explicitly upheld the abrogation of state sovereign immunity. Which punches big holes in all your posts about how federal courts can never ever do such things to state governments (or sovereign municipalities). Not only can the courts throw away any restraints on state sovereignty, the courts have ruled that Congress is empowered to do exactly the same thing. So Congress and federal courts all can (and have) violated your alleged state sovereignty immunity ideas. Annotation Congress can abrogate state sovereign immunity in connection to its power to enforce the Fourteenth Amendment. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes the states as covered employers. Current and retired male employees of the state of Connecticut sued the state in federal court on the grounds that its statutory retirement plan violated the Civil Rights Act by discriminating against them based on their gender. While the federal district court ruled in part for the employees, it held that the Eleventh Amendment prevented them from receiving back pay. On appeal, the court ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment may not be enforced through a private action for retroactive damages. Majority Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment provides a Congressional grant of authority for the federal court system to award money damages to private individuals who have been subjected to employment discrimination by a state government. These provisions limit the sovereign immunity provided to states by the Eleventh Amendment, especially since the Fourteenth Amendment imposes substantive limitations on state authority. Congressional action under Section 5 is particularly authoritative because it is derived not only from its own legislative authority but also from a Constitutional text that is designed to limit state authority. Certain types of actions thus may be permissible in this context that otherwise would be barred by state sovereign immunity. Concurrence Concurrence Just because it doesn't happen often doesn't mean that it never happens. We don't have a solar eclipse every day but that does not mean there is no such thing as a solar eclipse. I think you owe Stone an apology. Apologize now. Thank you.
Y'all defenders of the honor of TFTP/Matt Agorist [not including GI] are looking for a case where an invididual sues in Federal court and the court awards damages against a State. This mystical case must adddress the State immunity problem posed by Edelman which states that, "A suit by private parties seeking to impose a liability payable from public funds in the state treasury is foreclosed by the Amendment if the State does not consent to suit." Suits in State court do not adddress the question. State laws about the liability of (non-sovereign) cities, towns, villages, or municipal entities are not relevant. Or you are looking for a State law where the State volunteers to reimburse the officers where the officers' acts or omissions were wanton, reckless or malicious. Edelman v. Jordan, 415 U.S. 651, 677 (1974) At 1 (Syllabus) (a) A suit by private parties seeking to impose a liability payable from public funds in the state treasury is foreclosed by the Amendment if the State does not consent to suit. Pp. 415 U. S. 662-663. At 675-677: 415 U. S. 676 been suggested that § 1983 was intended to create a waiver of a State's Eleventh Amendment immunity merely because an action could be brought under that 415 U. S. 677 section against state officers, rather than against the State itself. Though a § 1983 action may be instituted by public aid recipients such as respondent, a federal court's remedial power, consistent with the Eleventh Amendment, is necessarily limited to prospective injunctive relief, Ex parte Young, supra, and may not include a retroactive award which requires the payment of funds from the state treasury, Ford Motor Co. v. Department of Treasury, supra.
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Don't try to obfuscate or change the subject by throwing lots of irrelevant text at us. You owe Stone an apology. Apologize now. Thank you.
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2006/rpt/2006-R-0172.htm [excerpts] In December 2005, a Waterbury Superior Court jury found an off-duty Seymour police detective negligent for failing to prevent an intoxicated driver who was drinking at a bar with him from driving. That driver veered off the road after leaving the bar, killing himself and two passengers and seriously injuring another passenger. The jury awarded more than $1 million each to the families of the deceased men, and $2 million to the crash survivor. Although the police officer was found negligent, the court found the town responsible for paying damages because of the state's indemnification law. This law requires municipalities to assume liability for any injuries caused by an employee in the performance of his duties and within the scope of his employment that are not the result of wanton or willful conduct. Please note that this is for State ligitation involving a town, and the indemnity law cited here contains various conditions to liability. Picard is a Federal case in Federal court where the State is NOT a named defendant. And in all the discussion and attempted defense of the screaming headline of Matt Agorist, not one mumbling word has been uttered about the applicable law and its coverage. Nobody has yet identified said law pertaining to STATE officers and employees.
That doesn't sound like an apology.
[Tooconservative #105] Don't try to obfuscate or change the subject by throwing lots of irrelevant text at us. You owe Stone an apology. Apologize now. Thank you. I am sorry, but you, sir, owe everyone an apology for wasting their time and misleading them. Your case at the Justia link does not support your fantastic conclusions. Your quote in your pretty shaded box does NOT come from the opinion of the Court. That Congress can abrogate state sovereignty in connection to its power to enforce the Fourteenth Amendment provides no evidence whatsoever that it did, in fact, abrogate state sovereignty in the case of Picard. In your selected irrelevant case, "Current and retired male employees of the state of Connecticut sued the state in federal court...." In the Picard case, state employees were sued in their individual capacity. by a non-state employee. In Picard, no government entity is even named as a defendant. Fitzgerald states its threshhold "of congressional authorization" for a citizen to sue his state employer, which was absent in Edelman." 1. The Eleventh Amendment does not bar a backpay award to petitioners in No. 75-251, since that Amendment and the principle of state sovereignty that it embodies are limited by the enforcement provisions of § 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which grants Congress authority to enforce "by appropriate Page 427 U. S. 446 legislation" the substantive provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment, which themselves embody significant limitations on state authority. Congress, in determining what legislation is appropriate for enforcing the Fourteenth Amendment, may, as it has done in Title VII, provide for suits against States that are constitutionally impermissible in other contexts. The "threshold fact of congressional authorization" for a citizen to sue his state employer, which was absent in Edelman, supra, is thus present here. Pp. 427 U. S. 451-456. Fitzgerald is an entirely different context than Picard. First, I note that the case you refer to as Fitzgerald v. Bitzer abbreviates the actual caption which shows it is against a government entity, the State Employees' Retirement Pension. Fitzpatrick et al. v. Bitzer, Chairman State Employees' Retirement Commission et al., 427 US 445 (1976) Abbreviating the state entity out of the caption does not change the fact that the named defendent in the caption is a government entity. It is quite clear at the official source., as shown below. Justia contains a disclaimer: "Disclaimer: Official Supreme Court case law is only found in the print version of the United States Reports. Justia case law is provided for general informational purposes only, and may not reflect current legal developments, verdicts or settlements. We make no warranties or guarantees about the accuracy, completeness, or adequacy of the information contained on this site or information linked to from this site. Please check official sources." https://cdn.loc.gov/service/ll/usrep/usrep427/usrep427445/usrep427445.pdf Fitzpatrick does not carve out any exception to Edelman's application to Picard. Fitzpatrick at 447: MR. JUSTICE REHNQUIST delivered the opinion of the Court In the 1972 Amendments to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Congress, acting under § 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment, authorized federal courts to award money damages in favor of a private individual against a state government found to have subjected that person to employment discrimination on the basis of “race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.” The principal question presented by these cases is whether, as against the shield of sovereign immunity afforded the State by the Eleventh Amendment, Edelman v. Jordan, 415 U. S. 651 (1974), Congress has the power to authorize federal courts to enter such an award against the State as a means of enforcing the substantive guarantees of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit held that the effect of our decision in Edelman was to foreclose Congress’ power. We granted certiorari to resolve this important constitutional question. 423 U. S. 1031 (1975). We reverse. Do you seriously allege that Picard is about the State of Connecticut having subjected Picard to employment discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin? Do you seriously allege that Picard was an employee of the State of Connecticut? At 451: All parties in the instant litigation agree with the Court of Appeals that the suit for retroactive benefits by the petitioners is in fact indistinguishable from that sought to be maintained in Edelman, since what is sought here is a damages award payable to a private party from the state treasury. In Fitzpatrick et al v Bitzer, Chairman State Employees' Retirement Commission et al, 427 US 445 (1976) alleged state liability is self-evident in that a government entity is named as the sole defendant. Ditto for Edelman. In Picard, it is obvious that no government is named as a defendant, and all defendants are sued in ther individual capacity. You have found an exception the the 11th Amendment requirement when employees of a state sue their own state for a violation of Federal employment discrimination law, with the government having acted in its official capacity. In Picard you have employees who may have acted outside the scope of their employment, having been wanton, reckless or malicious. In the Picard case, as a matter of legal fact which you attempt to ignore, no legal governmental entity is a defendant. The government is not represented and does not appear in court. If the employee defendants in Picard are to be reimbursed for any damages assessed against them, they must obtain that from the State. Instead of you you ass pickers busying yourselves with irrelevant bullshit, try the applicable state law which has seemingly eluded you. Conn - Indemnification of state officers and employees https://codes.findlaw.com/ct/title-5-state-employees/ct-gen-st-sect-5-141d.html Title 5. State Employees § 5-141d. Indemnification of state officers and employees. Duties of Attorney General. Legal fees and costs. Enforcement action. Exceptions (a) The state shall save harmless and indemnify any state officer or employee, as defined in section 4-141 , and any member of the Public Defender Services Commission from financial loss and expense arising out of any claim, demand, suit or judgment by reason of his alleged negligence or alleged deprivation of any person's civil rights or other act or omission resulting in damage or injury, if the officer, employee or member is found to have been acting in the discharge of his duties or within the scope of his employment and such act or omission is found not to have been wanton, reckless or malicious. (b) The state, through the Attorney General, shall provide for the defense of any such state officer, employee or member in any civil action or proceeding in any state or federal court arising out of any alleged act, omission or deprivation which occurred or is alleged to have occurred while the officer, employee or member was acting in the discharge of his duties or in the scope of his employment, except that the state shall not be required to provide for such a defense whenever the Attorney General, based on his investigation of the facts and circumstances of the case, determines that it would be inappropriate to do so and he so notifies the officer, employee or member in writing. (c) Legal fees and costs incurred as a result of the retention by any such officer, employee or member of an attorney to defend his interests in any such civil action or proceeding shall be borne by the state only in those cases where (1) the Attorney General has stated in writing to the officer, employee or member, pursuant to subsection (b) of this section, that the state will not provide an attorney to defend the interests of the officer, employee or member, and (2) the officer, employee or member is thereafter found to have acted in the discharge of his duties or in the scope of his employment, and not to have acted wantonly, recklessly or maliciously. Such legal fees and costs incurred by such officer, employee or member shall be paid to such officer, employee or member only after the final disposition of the suit, claim or demand and only in such amounts as shall be determined by the Attorney General to be reasonable. In determining whether such amounts are reasonable, the Attorney General may consider whether it was appropriate for a group of officers, employees or members to be represented by the same counsel. (d) Such officer, employee or member may bring an action in the Superior Court against the state to enforce the provisions of this section. (e) The provisions of this section shall not be applicable to any such officer, employee or member to the extent he has a right to indemnification under any other section of the general statutes.
I do not apologize for your error.
It doesn't sound much like an apology.
I do not apologize for your fuckup in misinterpreting the legal effect of Fitzpatrick v . Bitzer. As SCOTUS puts it, you can stop tilting at windmills. Google can only do so much. It can help you find something. Apparently, it did not help you understand it. I will let SCOTUS help with that. SCOTUS IN Quern eviscerates Tooconservative interpretation of Fitzpatrick v Bitzer Quern, Director, Department of Public Aid of Illinois v. Jordan, 440 U.S. 332 (1979) At 332: At 337: At 338: While the separate opinions in Hutto v. Finney, supra debated the continuing soundness of Edelman after our decision in Monell, any doubt on that score was largely dispelled by Alabama v. Pugh, supra, decided just 10 days after Hutto. In Pugh the Court held, over three dissents, that the State of Alabama could not be joined as a defendant without violating the Eleventh Amendment, even though the complaint was based on 42 U. S. C. § 1983 and the claim was a violation of the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments similar to that made in Hutto. The Court said: The decision in Pugh was consistent both with Monell, which was limited to “local government units,” 436 U. S., at 690 n. 54, and with Fitzpatrick v. Bitzer, supra. In the latter case we found that “ ‘threshold fact of congressional authorization,’ ” which had been lacking in Edelman, to be present in the express language of the congressional amendment making Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 applicable to state and local governments. 427 U. S., at 452, quoting Edelman v. Jordan, 415 U. S., at 672. Just in case anyone missed it, Picard v. Torneo is most assuredly a suit brought under 42 U.S.C. § 1983.
Your apology does not sound very sincere.
Your excuse for your royal fuckup does not sound very sincere. But when ya got nothing, that's the shit a shitweasel has to do. SCOTUS IN Quern eviscerates Tooconservative interpretation of Fitzpatrick v Bitzer Quern, Director, Department of Public Aid of Illinois v. Jordan, 440 U.S. 332 (1979) At 332: At 337: At 338: While the separate opinions in Hutto v. Finney, supra debated the continuing soundness of Edelman after our decision in Monell, any doubt on that score was largely dispelled by Alabama v. Pugh, supra, decided just 10 days after Hutto. In Pugh the Court held, over three dissents, that the State of Alabama could not be joined as a defendant without violating the Eleventh Amendment, even though the complaint was based on 42 U. S. C. § 1983 and the claim was a violation of the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments similar to that made in Hutto. The Court said: The decision in Pugh was consistent both with Monell, which was limited to “local government units,” 436 U. S., at 690 n. 54, and with Fitzpatrick v. Bitzer, supra. In the latter case we found that “ ‘threshold fact of congressional authorization,’ ” which had been lacking in Edelman, to be present in the express language of the congressional amendment making Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 applicable to state and local governments. 427 U. S., at 452, quoting Edelman v. Jordan, 415 U. S., at 672. Just in case anyone missed it, Picard v. Torneo is most assuredly a suit brought under 42 U.S.C. § 1983.
I'm pretty sure your apology is insincere.
I am absolutely certain that your desperate atttempt to defend your hero, Matt Agorist, by quoting from the irrelevant case of Fitzpatrick et al. v. Bitzer, Chairman State Employees' Retirement Commission et al., 427 US 445 (1976) is an abject failure. It is off-topic, it is against a governmental entity as a named defendant, and SCOTUS has described a prior attempt to misinterpret that, and other cases, to undermine Edelman as titling at windmills. Carry on, Don Quixote, with your tilt at windmills. Whenever you and Deckard decide to stop hiding in your communal sore loser corner, squatting in a puddle of your own warm piss, the state law will still be here. Conn - Indemnification of state officers and employees https://codes.findlaw.com/ct/title-5-state-employees/ct-gen-st-sect-5-141d.html Title 5. State Employees § 5-141d. Indemnification of state officers and employees. Duties of Attorney General. Legal fees and costs. Enforcement action. Exceptions (a) The state shall save harmless and indemnify any state officer or employee, as defined in section 4-141 , and any member of the Public Defender Services Commission from financial loss and expense arising out of any claim, demand, suit or judgment by reason of his alleged negligence or alleged deprivation of any person's civil rights or other act or omission resulting in damage or injury, if the officer, employee or member is found to have been acting in the discharge of his duties or within the scope of his employment and such act or omission is found not to have been wanton, reckless or malicious. (b) The state, through the Attorney General, shall provide for the defense of any such state officer, employee or member in any civil action or proceeding in any state or federal court arising out of any alleged act, omission or deprivation which occurred or is alleged to have occurred while the officer, employee or member was acting in the discharge of his duties or in the scope of his employment, except that the state shall not be required to provide for such a defense whenever the Attorney General, based on his investigation of the facts and circumstances of the case, determines that it would be inappropriate to do so and he so notifies the officer, employee or member in writing. (c) Legal fees and costs incurred as a result of the retention by any such officer, employee or member of an attorney to defend his interests in any such civil action or proceeding shall be borne by the state only in those cases where (1) the Attorney General has stated in writing to the officer, employee or member, pursuant to subsection (b) of this section, that the state will not provide an attorney to defend the interests of the officer, employee or member, and (2) the officer, employee or member is thereafter found to have acted in the discharge of his duties or in the scope of his employment, and not to have acted wantonly, recklessly or maliciously. Such legal fees and costs incurred by such officer, employee or member shall be paid to such officer, employee or member only after the final disposition of the suit, claim or demand and only in such amounts as shall be determined by the Attorney General to be reasonable. In determining whether such amounts are reasonable, the Attorney General may consider whether it was appropriate for a group of officers, employees or members to be represented by the same counsel. (d) Such officer, employee or member may bring an action in the Superior Court against the state to enforce the provisions of this section. (e) The provisions of this section shall not be applicable to any such officer, employee or member to the extent he has a right to indemnification under any other section of the general statutes.
I accept your apology.
ADMISSION ACCEPTED An individual may not sue a state government under 42 U.S.C. § 1983. While you have attempted a smokescreen with cases that relate to cities, towns, villlages, or local government units, none are applicable to the 42 U.S.C. § 1983 case in Picard, the only case which is the subject at hand. I accept your many times repeated abject admission that you have no expressible legal theory whatsoever with which you can attempt to defend the false but screaming headline of your hero Matt Agorist, regarding the Picard case, that the taxpayer will pay. All you have been able to do is make up irrelevant nonsense like Russiagate, and make a lot of noise like a typical socialist propagandist. Of course, substance is missing. Your misbegotten reliance upon Fitzpatrick et al. v. Bitzer, Chairman, State Employees' Retirement Commission et al. is noted. Forty years ago, such reliance by others was summarily rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court in Quern v. Jordan. It must be clearly noted that you have made no arguable attempt to justify the claim of your hero Matt Agorist regarding Picard. Your Fitzpatrick case was asserted under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Picard was asserted under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 which stems from a post civil war act. Fitzpatrick had to do with a government employee suing his state government for employment discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Picard did not involve a state employee suing anyone for anything. Fitzpatrick was filed against a local government unit which is not considered part of the State for Eleventh Amendment purposes. Picard is solely filed against three employees in their individual capacity, and against no government entity whatsoever. The Fitzpatrick argument was explicitly overruled by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1979, insofar as supporting an overruling of the Eleventh Amendment state immunity established in Edelman. The Supreme Court did not suggest such argument was questionable, it explicitly cited Fitzpatrick v Bitzer and explicitly rejected the attack on Eleventh Amendment immunity established in Edelman. There is no governmental defendant in Picard because Edelman clearly prohibits one from being there. Explicit language of a congressional amendment made Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 applicable to state and local government entities. There is no such similar statutory language applicable to 42 U.S.C. § 1983. Quern, Director, Department of Public Act of Ilinois v Jordan 440 U.S. 332 (1979) At 332: At 340: For those with learning disabilities, I point out the obvious that Fitzpatrick is not against a named state defendant, i.e., one of the sovereign states. Indeed, it should be obvious, even to flat earther's, that Bitzer is not the name of a previously unknown sovereign state. Rather, the suit is against the State Employees Retirement Commission, and one named Bitzer was its Chairman. It is a seperate entity which manages a pension fund, not the state treasury. Also at 340: It is, indeed, unfortunate that so much time and energy has been wasted, and no legal theory has been ut forth to show how the sovereign state of Connecticut is liable officers who either have qualified immunity, or whose acts or omissions are found to have been wanton, reckless or malicious.
Not at all. It's unfortunate that you have those feelings.
REGRETTABLY, I CANNOT TAKE CREDIT FOR YOUR FUCKUPS If anything is true, it is that one man does not take credit for another man's fuckup. Those things are personal, and even where there is enough fucking up to go around, I sincerely feel that it is not the place of others to glom on to the glory of the fucker up. For example, at #102, you raise the case of Fitzpatrick v. Bitzer (te centerpiece of your endzone celebration) which acknowledges it is brought under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Indeed, the article, not part of any court opinion, notes that "the Fourteent Amendment provides a Congressional grant of authority for the federal court system to award money damages to private individuals who have been subjected to employment discrimination by a state government." Alas, you fucked up and did a spectacular celebration before you realized you dropped the ball on the field of play and it was picked u and retured for a touchdown while you continued your mindless celebration. Of course, fuckup #1 was to rely on an article about a court opinion, without bothering to read the official court opinion itself. Fuckup #2 was to to bother to compare the facts of Fitzpatrick to the facts of either Edelman or Picard. Fuckup #3 was to not check the judicial history of Fitzpatrick to see if your interpretation of its effect was subsequently upheld or rejected. What you did would be like quoting Plessey v. Ferguson to defend school segregation, or, heaven forbid, quoting Scott v. Sanford for the proposition that freed slaves could never become citizens. Had you bothered to read the official court opinion in Fitzpatrick, you would have noticed that the named defendant was not the sovereign state of Bitzer, but the State Employees' Retirement Commission, of which a gentlemen named Bitzer was Chairman. You might even have noticed, at page 2 of Fitzpatrick, the given rationale that "Congress, in determining what legislation is appropriate for enforcing the Fourteenth Amendment, may, as it has done in Title VII, provide for suits against States that are constitutionally impermissible in other contexts. The "threshold fact of congressional authorization" for a citizen to sue his state employer, which was absent in Edelman supra, is thus present here. Picard relied on Edelman. Edelman as precedent for Eleventh Amendment immunity was not disturbed by Fitzpatrick. No § 1983 case was disturbed by Fitzpatrick which is a Section VII case whose exception is dependent upon a congressional exception not applicable to Edelman, Picard, or any other § 1983 case. Fitzpatrick pertains to a Section VII case only. That you did not discover this is a testament to your superficial legal research, and reliance upon unofficial sources. Notably, had you not fucked up and ignored subsequent cases, you would have found Quern (1979) which stated at 338, "In Edelman we reaffirmed the rule that had evolved in our earlier cases that a suit in federal court by private parties seeking to impose a liability which must be paid from public funds in the state treasury is barred by the Eleventh Amendment." And Quern stated at 338, "This Court’s holding in Monell was “limited to local government units which are not considered part of the State for Eleventh Amendment purposes,” 436 U. S., at 690 n. 54, and our Eleventh Amendment decisions subsequent to Edelman and to Monell have cast no doubt on our holding in Edelman. See Alabama v. Pugh, 438 U. S. 781 (1978); Hutto v. Finney, 437 U. S. 678 (1978); Milliken v. Bradley, supra; Fitzpatrick v. Bitzer, 427 U. S. 445 (1976); Scheuer v. Rhodes, supra. Nope, it just ain't right for one man to take credit for another man's fuckups. The record is clear that these are you fuckups, and yours alone. You own them and all the flat earth awards that may arise from them. Taking credit for your fuckups just ain't right and I ain't gonna do it. As a show of my sincerity, I hereby nominate you as flat earth fuckup of the month. The credit is entirely yours.
Um, yeah. First I would have to care. Which I don't.
Um, yeah. First I would have to care. Which I don't. Of course, I do not care if you bothered to read the official court opinion in Fitzpatrick, the cornerstone of your fucked up argument. It was obvious from your end zone celebration that you mistook your fumble for a touchdown. However, as it was merely you showing your ass, and making a fool of yourself, and everybody has a right to make a fool of himself, I did not take it personally. But being an upstanding guy, I did not desire to take credit for your fuck up. It takes a certain sort of skill to fuck up on that level and gloat about it. It takes real persistence to make believe such a fuckup is a success and to continue gloating, even though there is a thread full of evidence it was but a fuckup of epic proportions. Such an effort, on behalf of an epic fuckup, deserves adequate recognition. I therefore nominated you for flat earth fuckup of the month.
I post more anti-Flattard stuff than anyone here. It's so ridiculous to say otherwise that it isn't even worth demanding that you apologize. I will, therefore, be satisfied at your earlier abject and tearful apology.
And you deserve credit to the fullest for playing your major part in bringing the flat earth discussion to the forefront and making it the leading topic of discussion at LF, challenged only by good drugs, bad cops and tall tales about Jim Ficken's tall grass. I did not mean for your monumental fuckup on the Picard case to in any way slight your contributions to the flat earth discussion, and helping that enthralling topic surge to the top of the charts. Just so you do not feel slighted, and to make amends, in addition to your prior nomination for flat earth fuckup of the month, I hereby nominate you as top flat earth contributor of the month. Just as you need know nothing to participate on the legal discussion of Picard, you need know nothing to participate on the discussion of how to weigh heavy objects in space. You just use an Elon Muck space scale.
I don't recall suggesting that anyone try to weigh Musk's car in space. I looked back when you said this before. I don't think anything I said could be construed as a suggestion to weigh Musk's car in space, even if it was located in an orbit where we could go weigh it. But it doesn't get that close to an Earth orbit. Can you cite the remark that I made which made you believe that I was suggesting that we could weigh Musk's car in space? If not, you should apologize. Again.
I note that you do not recall reading the court document you lectured about either. Can you cite the remark that I made which made you believe that I was suggesting that we could weigh Musk's car in space? Why, sure I can. I will get right on that while you and Deckard finish up on explaining your legal theory on how the government must pay in the case of Picard v. Torneo, Jacoki and and Barone. If you think your unconscious stream of bullshit offered any coherent legal theory, you really should apologize for trying to bullshit your way through. While you are at it, you can apologize for throwing a smoke bomb for Deckard to hide behind. Perhaps you want a third award for teamwork.
I leave all of the legal theory to Deckard. You just seemed so happy to keep copy/pasting your little legal boilerplate that I couldn't bear the idea of disappointing you.
I acknowledge your abject admission of not having so much as a legal theory to support your bluster.
I acknowledge your abject admission of not having so much as a legal theory to support your bluster. Liberty's Flame is a discussion forum, not a courtroom so cool it with the shyster vibe, ya dig man? You know amigo, we all appreciate the hours of tireless work that you do for the site, especially all those reams of past court cases you so diligently post. Must be how you acquired the fitting moniker: nolu spam. Just wondering Lt. Caffee - how much do you bilk....oops, I meant bill At what rate do you bill your bosses for the time you spend here amusing us?
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I understand why you prefer the lies of the liar Matt Agorist to actual court opinions and documents. I also understand why you cannot offer any rational legal argument to support the lies of your favorite liar Matt Agorist.
Was I that abject? I thought I was more indifferent. You're the one that's all passionate about it. I don't think Stone, Deckard, me (and Matt Agorist) combined care as much as you do about whatever it is you're carrying on about.
And yet, in the CT case I cited, the jury did hold the town liable.
#91. To: GrandIsland (#90)
Pretty soon, we’ll be able to sue a taxi driver for going off duty 5 minutes before a drunk leaves the bar. Of course he could have prevented it.
#92. To: Tooconservative (#91)
You may be able to kill feral cats in all 50 states. But a cat or dog or other pet is pretty hard to consider feral, especially if they have a home base and lack hunting skills to feed themselves which is true of a lot of pets, some of whom may kill prey, like a cat killing a mouse, but won't eat it.
#93. To: GrandIsland (#92)
#94. To: Tooconservative (#93)
(Edited)
We do have a roaming cat problem in the neighborhood though.
#95. To: GrandIsland (#94)
#96. To: Tooconservative (#95)
(Edited)
I'm not mean enough just to kill them wantonly.
#97. To: Tooconservative (#95)
That's what the hose is for. They seem to understand quickly that they aren't welcome when you douse them with cold water.
#98. To: GrandIsland (#97)
#99. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#81)
#81. To: nolu chan, Tooconservative (#80)
#100. To: A K A Stone (#82)
[government officials performing discretionary functions] generally are shielded from liability for civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate "clearly established" statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known.
#101. To: A K A Stone, Tooconservative, GrandIsland (#83)
There is a different case in connecictut and they settled and payed taxpayer money. So they do pay out and were held liable.
#102. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone, GrandIsland, Deckard (#101)
When an individual brings a case in Federal court, the State may not be named as a defendant. The Federal government cannot award damages against a State.
Supreme.Justia.com: Fitzpatrick v. Bitzer, 427 U.S. 445 (1976) Justia Opinion Summary and Annotations
Case Commentary
#103. To: A K A Stone, Tooconservative, GrandIsland (#101)
Held: The Eleventh Amendment of the Constitution bars that portion of the District Court's decree that ordered retroactive payment of benefits. Pp. 415 U. S. 658-678.
But it has not heretofore
#104. To: Tooconservative (#102)
(Edited)
#105. To: nolu chan, A K A Stone, GrandIsland, Deckard (#104)
#106. To: Tooconservative (#85)
SUMMARY
#107. To: nolu chan (#106)
#108. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#102)
[Tooconservative #102] I think you owe Stone an apology. Apologize now. Thank you.
Held:
Opinion of the Court
We concluded that none of the statutes relied upon by plaintiffs in Edelman contained any authorization by Congress to join a State as defendant. The Civil Rights Act of 1871, 42 U. S. C. § 1983, had been held in Monroe v. Pape, 365 U. S. 167, 187-191 (1961), to exclude cities and other municipal corporations from its ambit; that being the case, it could not have been intended to include States as parties defendant. The provisions of the Social Security Act relied upon by plaintiffs were held by their terms not to “authorize suit against anyone,” 415 U. S., at 674, and they, too, were incapable of supplying the predicate for a claim of waiver on the part of the State.
Connecticut General Statutes
#109. To: Tooconservative (#107)
That doesn't sound like an apology.
#110. To: nolu chan (#108)
#111. To: Tooconservative (#110)
It doesn't sound much like an apology.
1. Neither Monell v. New York City Dept, of Social Services, 436 U. S. 658, the legislative history cited in that decision, nor this Court’s Eleventh Amendment cases subsequent to Edelman cast any doubt on Edelman’s holding that § 1983 does not abrogate the Eleventh Amendment immunity of the States.
In Edelman we reaffirmed the rule that had evolved in our earlier cases that a suit in federal court by private parties seeking to impose a liability which must be paid from public funds in the state treasury is barred by the Eleventh Amendment. 415 U. S., at 663; see Kennecott Copper Corp. v. State Tax Comm’n, 327 U. S. 573 (1946); Ford Motor Co. v. Department of Treasury, 323 U. S. 459 (1945); Great Northern Life Ins. Co. v. Read, 322 U. S. 47 (1944). We rejected the notion that simply because the lower court’s grant of retroactive benefits had been styled “equitable restitution” it was permissible under the Eleventh Amendment. But we also pointed out that under the landmark decision in Ex parte Young, 209 U. S. 123 (1908), a federal court, consistent with the Eleventh Amendment, may enjoin state officials to conform their future conduct to the requirements of federal law, even though such an injunction may have an ancillary effect on the state treasury. 415 U. S., at 667-668; see Milliken v. Bradley, 433 U. S. 267, 289 (1977); Scheuer v. Rhodes, 416 U. S. 232, 237 (1974).
And just as petitioner insists on tilting at windmills by attacking the District Court’s decision, respondent suggests that our decision in Edelman has been eviscerated by later decisions such as Monell v. New York City Dept, of Social Services, 436 U. S. 658 (1978). Brief for Respondent 55 n. 37. See also Aldridge v. Turlington, No. TCA-78-830 (ND Fla., Nov. 17, 1978); but see Skehan v. Board of Trustees of Bloomsburg State College, 590 F. 2d 470 (CA3 1978). As we have noted above, we held in Edelman that in “a [42 U. S. C.] § 1983 action ... a federal court’s remedial power, consistent with the Eleventh Amendment, is necessarily limited to prospective injunctive relief, Ex parte Young, supra, and may not include a retroactive award which requires the payment of funds from the state treasury, Ford Motor Co. v. Department of Treasury, supra.” 415 U. S., at 677. We disagree with respondent’s suggestion. This Court’s holding in Monell was “limited to local government units which are not considered part of the State for Eleventh Amendment purposes,” 436 U. S., at 690 n. 54, and our Eleventh Amendment decisions subsequent to Edelman and to Monell have cast no doubt on our holding in Edelman. See Alabama v. Pugh, 438 U. S. 781 (1978); Hutto v. Finney, 437 U. S. 678 (1978); Milliken v. Bradley, supra; Fitzpatrick v. Bitzer, 427 U. S. 445 (1976); Scheuer v. Rhodes, supra.
“There can be no doubt, however, that suit against the State and its Board of Corrections is barred by the Eleventh Amendment, unless Alabama has consented to the filing of such a suit. Edelman v. Jordan, 415 U. S. 651 (1974); Ford Motor Co. v. Department of Treasury, 323 U. S. 459 (1945); Worcester County Trust Co. v. Riley, 302 U. S. 292 (1937).” 438 U. S., at 782.
#112. To: nolu chan (#111)
#113. To: Tooconservative (#112)
Your apology does not sound very sincere.
1. Neither Monell v. New York City Dept, of Social Services, 436 U. S. 658, the legislative history cited in that decision, nor this Court’s Eleventh Amendment cases subsequent to Edelman cast any doubt on Edelman’s holding that § 1983 does not abrogate the Eleventh Amendment immunity of the States.
In Edelman we reaffirmed the rule that had evolved in our earlier cases that a suit in federal court by private parties seeking to impose a liability which must be paid from public funds in the state treasury is barred by the Eleventh Amendment. 415 U. S., at 663; see Kennecott Copper Corp. v. State Tax Comm’n, 327 U. S. 573 (1946); Ford Motor Co. v. Department of Treasury, 323 U. S. 459 (1945); Great Northern Life Ins. Co. v. Read, 322 U. S. 47 (1944). We rejected the notion that simply because the lower court’s grant of retroactive benefits had been styled “equitable restitution” it was permissible under the Eleventh Amendment. But we also pointed out that under the landmark decision in Ex parte Young, 209 U. S. 123 (1908), a federal court, consistent with the Eleventh Amendment, may enjoin state officials to conform their future conduct to the requirements of federal law, even though such an injunction may have an ancillary effect on the state treasury. 415 U. S., at 667-668; see Milliken v. Bradley, 433 U. S. 267, 289 (1977); Scheuer v. Rhodes, 416 U. S. 232, 237 (1974).
And just as petitioner insists on tilting at windmills by attacking the District Court’s decision, respondent suggests that our decision in Edelman has been eviscerated by later decisions such as Monell v. New York City Dept, of Social Services, 436 U. S. 658 (1978). Brief for Respondent 55 n. 37. See also Aldridge v. Turlington, No. TCA-78-830 (ND Fla., Nov. 17, 1978); but see Skehan v. Board of Trustees of Bloomsburg State College, 590 F. 2d 470 (CA3 1978). As we have noted above, we held in Edelman that in “a [42 U. S. C.] § 1983 action ... a federal court’s remedial power, consistent with the Eleventh Amendment, is necessarily limited to prospective injunctive relief, Ex parte Young, supra, and may not include a retroactive award which requires the payment of funds from the state treasury, Ford Motor Co. v. Department of Treasury, supra.” 415 U. S., at 677. We disagree with respondent’s suggestion. This Court’s holding in Monell was “limited to local government units which are not considered part of the State for Eleventh Amendment purposes,” 436 U. S., at 690 n. 54, and our Eleventh Amendment decisions subsequent to Edelman and to Monell have cast no doubt on our holding in Edelman. See Alabama v. Pugh, 438 U. S. 781 (1978); Hutto v. Finney, 437 U. S. 678 (1978); Milliken v. Bradley, supra; Fitzpatrick v. Bitzer, 427 U. S. 445 (1976); Scheuer v. Rhodes, supra.
“There can be no doubt, however, that suit against the State and its Board of Corrections is barred by the Eleventh Amendment, unless Alabama has consented to the filing of such a suit. Edelman v. Jordan, 415 U. S. 651 (1974); Ford Motor Co. v. Department of Treasury, 323 U. S. 459 (1945); Worcester County Trust Co. v. Riley, 302 U. S. 292 (1937).” 438 U. S., at 782.
#114. To: nolu chan (#113)
#115. To: Tooconservative (#114)
I'm pretty sure your apology is insincere.
Connecticut General Statutes
#116. To: nolu chan (#115)
#117. To: Tooconservative (#116)
I accept your apology.
In Edelman we reaffirmed the rule that had evolved in our earlier cases that a suit in federal court by private parties seeking to impose a liability which must be paid from public funds in the state treasury is barred by the Eleventh Amendment.
The decision in Pugh was consistent both with Monell, which was limited to “local government units,” 436 U. S., at 690 n. 54, and with Fitzpatrick v. Bitzer, supra. In the latter case we found that “ ‘threshold fact of congressional authorization,’” which had been lacking in Edelman, to be present in the express language of the congressional amendment making Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 applicable to state and local governments. 427 U. S., at 452, quoting Edelman v. Jordan, 415 U. S., at 672.
The decision in Pugh was handed down nearly one month after Monell and 10 days after Hutto, where separate opinions debated this precise point. If, after Monell and Hutto, this Court harbored any doubts about the continued validity of Edelman's conclusion that § 1983 does not constitute a waiver of the Eleventh Amendment immunity of the States, it is inconceivable that the Court would have taken the extraordinary action of summarily reversing a lower court on the basis of Edelman.
#118. To: nolu chan (#117)
It is, indeed, unfortunate that so much time and energy has been wasted
#119. To: Tooconservative (#118)
It's unfortunate that you have those feelings.
#120. To: nolu chan (#119)
Had you bothered to read the official court opinion in Fitzpatrick...
#121. To: Tooconservative (#120)
Had you bothered to read the official court opinion in Fitzpatrick...
#122. To: nolu chan (#121)
I therefore nominated you for flat earth fuckup of the month.
#123. To: Tooconservative (#122)
I post more anti-Flattard stuff than anyone here.
#124. To: nolu chan (#123)
Just as you need know nothing to participate on the legal discussion of Picard, you need know nothing to participate on the discussion of how to weigh heavy objects in space. You just use an Elon Muck space scale.
#125. To: Tooconservative (#124)
I don't recall suggesting that anyone try to weigh Musk's car in space. I looked back when you said this before. I don't think anything I said could be construed as a suggestion to weigh Musk's car in space, even if it was located in an orbit where we could go weigh it. But it doesn't get that close to an Earth orbit.
#126. To: nolu chan, Deckard (#125)
Why, sure I can. I will get right on that while you and Deckard finish up on explaining your legal theory on how the government must pay in the case of Picard v. Torneo, Jacoki and and Barone.
#127. To: Tooconservative (#126)
I leave all of the legal theory to Deckard.
#128. To: nolu chan, Tooconservative (#127)
I leave all of the legal theory to Deckard.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#129. To: Deckard (#128)
Liberty's Flame is a discussion forum, not a courtroom so cool it with the shyster vibe, ya dig man?
BT
AR
#130. To: nolu chan, Deckard, A K A Stone (#127)
I acknowledge your abject admission of not having so much as a legal theory to support your bluster.
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