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Title: RAW FOOTAGE: Balloon, aka NASA "Satellite" Floats Across Full Moon
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAfdkWy0QtE&feature=youtu.be
Published: Feb 3, 2018
Author: Flat Earth Dude
Post Date: 2019-09-28 17:41:37 by Liberator
Keywords: NASA, Satellite, Balloon
Views: 31156
Comments: 184
(Video taken through a Nikon P900 camera)
Poster Comment: Cool! Great shot of the Moon as well. (Sure doesn't seem like it's 239,000 miles away.) So.... is balloon technology how NASA really photographs earth? It appears they are able to attach an equipment gondola to the Balloon...and let 'er rip into Low Earth Orbit. One also wonders if "Astronauts" are actually embedded into a special Balloon gondola instead what's depicted in those dodgy "ISS" shots. Orbital velocity is the velocity needed to achieve balance between gravity's pull on the satellite and the inertia of the satellite's motion -- the satellite's tendency to keep going. This is approximately 17,000 mph (27,359 kph) at an altitude of 150 miles (242 kilometers). Without gravity, the satellite's inertia would carry it off into space. Moving juuuust a bit slower than 17,000 MPH. Source: 'HOW STUFF WORKS' https://science.howstuffworks.com/satellite6.htm
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#2. To: Liberator (#0)
That's not how any of this works.
Actually...IT IS. With respect to, 'HOW STUFF WORKS', I mis-formatted the post, so it's my fault there's some confusion. OF NOTE: According to 'HOW STUFF WORKS' and the link I provided: "Orbital velocity is the velocity needed to achieve balance between gravity's pull on the satellite and the inertia of the satellite's motion -- the satellite's tendency to keep going. This is approximately 17,000 mph.(27,359 kph) at an altitude of 150 miles (242 kilometers). Without gravity, the satellite's inertia would carry it off into space. We see neither traveling at 17,000 mph -- whether a gi-normous NASA balloon or the pix taken from NASA "Satellites" (which are actually "gondolas" tethered TO balloons at low earth orbit.)
NASA's Giant Helium Balloons will neither be escaping much beyond the stratosphere, nor dragged to earth via "gravity"... They drift (or are guided) at a very manageable speed (as captured by this amateur videographer in front of the moon), thus it is the perfect medium from which to view and photograph the earth....or be its passenger.
What would be the point of a randomly-drifting mission for either photography or passenger flight? Go take a look at the KH-11, from which the Hubbell telescope is derived. These are not randomly-drifting machines - I know; in a past life I helped to track them. When you know weeks, months or years in advance exactly when and where one would clear the horizon, that's pretty much the opposite of random.
Facts don't count when you debate Flattards. Math is irrelevant to Flattards and they don't recognize the concept of mathematical proofs or their finality as a problem's correct solution. I have noticed some interesting theories recently on the rise of Flat Earthers on YouBoob. Naturally, we all recognize how YouBoob is monetizing all of this while trying to use it to smear all religions, many of whose fundamentalists do reject science. It's a subtle attack strategy used by the TED people and Silicon Valley. But there is a real question of just how 'tarded the Flattards really are. And it is a serious question. These are the kids who flunked algebra and geometry and chemistry and physics. And they're the kids who argued with the teachers in every class you ever took, the contrarian adolescent types. It is a pronounced personality characteristic that they exhibit. Some people might consider the questioning of their fundamental intelligence and competence to be hitting below the belt but you can't view many of their top-rated videos - their best stuff - without starting to question if Flattards should be a category in the DSM as a mental disability or condition. [I thought Neil might like these videos; the first vlogger shows his test for dyscalculia based on an aircraft flight plan and says that no Flattard has managed to pass it with only a few even willing to try to. It reminded me of Neil's posts about aircraft flight plans on some old flat earth threads here at LF.]
Certainly all of us have our strengths and weaknesses in comprehension of various subjects and things. I know I have my weaknesses, so I can empathize with others who have them, even if they are weak in areas I'm strong in. TC, I remember you posting that photo that showed one of the Apollo landing sites from the lander with the earth hugely lit behind it on the horizon. I pretty much knew immediately it was doctored as the earth wouldn't be on the horizon for any Apollo mission, and the shadows didn't match earth's spherical illumination. Earth was also way too detailed for the cameras they had back then. It was a beautiful shot designed for desktop backgrounds, but was not real. That stood out to me but not to yourself, I suppose, and others. Certainly you're better than me in other areas. Then there is at least one person on this site for whom it is not possible for police to ever commit a sin. It could be said that that person suffers from a form of "dyscalculia" related to police. I'm sure many of us would say similar for those with "Trump derangement syndrome" because they cannot fathom Trump ever doing anything good. Another person here is a baseball, hot dogs and apple pie version of the worst of head-chopping ISIS members, yet still professes Christianity. I've said before and say again, My theory is that people have an overwhelming ability to believe things even if they are completely untrue. Liberator, whom I still do like and respect, believing the earth is flat is a validation of that theory, which I've subscribed to even before I read of his stating his belief. It's the same reason why most people's religious beliefs reflect that of their parents, no matter what the faith is-- Christianity, Judaim, Islam, Buddism, Hinduism or even Atheism. If it were otherwise then we'd see religious beliefs homogenously spread throughout the world, but we don't. Entire countries are by and large one faith, and remain so from one generation to the next. So.... that's okay. It's the old cliche. Do you/we accept people who see the world differently than we do? Or do we make a big stink about it and call them stupid? The old saying comes to mind, which I like: And when you think about that quote, it inescapably means that all of us are fools. The only difference is that some of us know it, and some of us don't.
I cannot find that thread now, not sure if it was deleted. Perhaps it was on a thread that was off-topic and hijacked into Moonbattery. And I do not concede that those very famous photos were not taken on the moon. What I recall is that there are a lot of people who don't seem to understand the small size and scale of the moon in general and particularly how that difference from Earth's size leads to things that would be anomalies. Except the moon is 250K miles away, 1/6 the mass of the earth, distance to the horizon on the moon is about half the distance to horizon on Earth, etc. I would also point out that the most famous of the Apollo photos of Earth was the one from Apollo 8 which showed the earth rising over the horizon as Apollo 8 came around the moon, a picture known ever since as Earthrise. (Apollo 8 was the main flyby of the moon, testing the Apollo system for suitability in a moon landing during Apollo 11.) Of course, you can choose to believe the moon landings were all faked, that they were filmed by Stanley Kubrick as propaganda on a sound stage, etc. But that doesn't make it true. Well, it is a fundamental question and not just one of manners or humoring people who are mentally deficient. Is 1+1=2 just an opinion? Is the Flat Earth just an opinion? Are the value of vaccination programs in public health just an opinion? Are the cargo cults of primitive tribes worshiping modern aircraft that fly over their jungles just another opinion? Is a square any different from a circle? Or is that just another opinion? There is a big difference between humoring someone and agreeing with them. And humoring people disputing the most basic science/math facts can lead to tragic results, usually for them but sometimes for others. If you're just saying that truth doesn't matter at all if it might hurt someone's feelings, then you should just come out and say that.
I pretty much knew immediately it was doctored as the earth wouldn't be on the horizon for any Apollo mission, and the shadows didn't match earth's spherical illumination. Earth was also way too detailed for the cameras they had back then. It was a beautiful shot designed for desktop backgrounds, but was not real. Interesting, Ping... You've simply shared an observation that questions the integrity of NASA, and suddenly TC immediately makes you the subject of an Inquisition, aggressively attempting to gaslight even you. WHY should you or anyone else be harassed and on the defensive simply defensive simply for sharing a valid observation?? I'd say this says quite a bit about Tooconservative's agenda. By your own observations, logic, and common sense you *knew* that NASA Apollo photo was an absolute doctored-fake. (NASA has been busted so many times with they hoaxing, CGI, and sloppiness that it is beyond embarrassing.) 'Earthrise' was the one and ONLY "photograph" taken "by Astronauts" allegedly "on the Moon. That's it. FIVE trips on the Moon (supposedly). ONE PHOTO. (Does that make ANY sense at all??) Earthrise is a PROVEN FRAUD. (The size/proportion of "Earth" from the "Moon" is comically wrong as well.) ONLY loyalists of NASA's lies (*cough, TC) dismiss even questioning the obvious il-logical and impossibilities of their sloppy photos, ridiculous shadows and countless inconsistencies while "on the Moon." THAT said, that quibble is hardly the worst of the exchange. Part of TC's Inquisition: "Is 1+1=2 just an opinion?...(followed by badgering and peppering with several questions by TC that challenged your intellect and integrity...) Well, it is a fundamental question and not just one of manners or humoring people who are mentally deficient....humoring people disputing the most basic science/math facts can lead to tragic results, usually for them but sometimes for others...There is a big difference between humoring someone and agreeing with them." Hilarious. "TRAGIC RESULTS"?? "For them and others"?? Bwaahaaa!! -- what a hyperbolic Drama Queen you've become. Attempting to blatantly gaslight Pinguinite not only insults his intelligence and integrity, but that of the rest of the entire forum. Casting such dispersions on Ping or myself (through Ping) is a new low for you. Except that only YOU pretend not see it. The *rest* of us DO. Here's a "fact," TC -- YOU are NOT the arbiter of "manners," nor "truth" or "facts"; Not close. Nor of "basic science/math facts." NOR ESPECIALLY of integrity or intellectual honesty. You don't actually care about "facts"; Who are you kidding? You care only about Gate-Keeping and maintaining institutional "official" narratives. It's pathological. On behalf of LF, I'm going to suggest that you may want to pull back the reins a bit in your crusade in questioning the mental health of anyone here. Some introspection is desperately needed. In other words, SEEK HELP.
Earthrise is a PROVEN FRAUD. (The size/proportion of "Earth" from the "Moon" is comically wrong as well.) ONLY loyalists of NASA's lies (*cough, TC) dismiss even questioning the obvious il-logical and impossibilities of their sloppy photos, ridiculous shadows and countless inconsistencies while "on the Moon." As I mentioned - and is copiously documented in many other places - Earthrise was a photo snapped from moon orbit as Apollo 8 came around from behind the moon, making Earth appear to "rise" over the clearly visible horizon. It was unscheduled but the astronauts found the site of colorful Earth so compelling that they grabbed some color film and took the photo. They weren't supposed to use the color film for that but they ended up taking one of the most famous photos in the history of human space flight. Apollo 8 did not land on the moon. It was a test of the 3-stage Saturn V rocket, the capsule, the use of von Braun's preferred orbit, etc. Apollo 9 was a fuller dress rehearsal for the entire lunar mission but never did leave Earth orbit. Apollo 10 was a full dress rehearsal for the lunar landing and had all the equipment needed to land but it, like Apollo 8, only orbited the moon and did not land. It was used to fully test every system except the lander. Apollo 11 was the mission that finally landed on the moon. So all your blathering is just more Flat nonsense because you don't even understand the fundamentals of the Apollo program. Yet I think you are old enough to recall at least some of the Apollo missions. Pinging people to a post is a "new low"? LOL.
AND... this is what NASA told you? *snicker* FIVE MOON MISSIONS. But only ONE SINGLE photo of Earth from the Moon and/or it's alleged orbit? Egads. The degree of suspension of logic and intellectual contortionism required to accept this notion as truth, and NASA as truth-ful is... off the chart. The "Earth Rise" photo has undergone a simple forensic examination. It is actually just a primitive cut & paste job. DOCUMENTED. CONFIRMED. (Just not by NY Times/FNC/National Geographic, MSM. Thus, IT can't be true!") But let's leave that be for the moment refer to the past findings by the world's best engineers and techies on their forensic examination of the highly intricate technology and blue prints that documented NASA's missions that landed multiple men on the Moon AND return them safely.... OH WAIT. What's that you say? That's no longer possible. WHY?? That's right -- NASA "lost" that technology. Too bad. I guess "SH*T HAPPENS", right? Here's some more irony: It was A K A Stome himself who reported this RIGHT HERE at LF!
#179. To: Liberator (#176)
Well, Apollo 8 was somewhat tense for the public since no one had gone in full lunar orbit yet and the feds and NASA and the media were promoting the crap out of Apollo. So Apollo 8 got more attention from the public than some of the later Apollo missions that actually landed. By the time of the last moon landing, they carried very little of it on TV or in the news. Apollo 11 was the Big Kahuna. So Apollo 8 got a lot of attention for a test flight and the chief product it is remembered for is the unplanned Earthrise photo. The Apollo 8 crew rushed to get color film in the camera because it was such an unplanned photo shoot. You can hear the audio of them talking as they rushed to load the camera at the Wiki link I gave you. Apollo 8 just happened to come around the far side of the moon in their 4th orbit and the moon rose perfectly over the moon's horizon as seen from their very very tiny spacecraft window, they slapped film in the camera and got a few shots. And that was the photo used for the first of the two most famous space photos ever, both of them huge hits with the public as posters and again when they were made into large glossy postage stamps.
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#5. To: Tooconservative (#2)
That's not how any of this works.
#6. To: TooConservative (#5)
(Edited)
#7. To: Liberator (#6)
They drift (or are guided) at a very manageable speed (as captured by this amateur videographer in front of the moon), thus it is the perfect medium from which to view and photograph the earth....or be its passenger.
#10. To: Hank Rearden, Pinguinite, Liberator (#7)
Go take a look at the KH-11, from which the Hubbell telescope is derived. These are not randomly-drifting machines - I know; in a past life I helped to track them. When you know weeks, months or years in advance exactly when and where one would clear the horizon, that's pretty much the opposite of random.
#122. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#10)
[I thought Neil might like these videos; the first vlogger shows his test for dyscalculia based on an aircraft flight plan and says that no Flattard has managed to pass it with only a few even willing to try to. It reminded me of Neil's posts about aircraft flight plans on some old flat earth threads here at LF.]
A fool thinks himself wise, but a wise man knows he is a fool.
#127. To: Pinguinite (#122)
TC, I remember you posting that photo that showed one of the Apollo landing sites from the lander with the earth hugely lit behind it on the horizon. I pretty much knew immediately it was doctored as the earth wouldn't be on the horizon for any Apollo mission, and the shadows didn't match earth's spherical illumination. Earth was also way too detailed for the cameras they had back then. It was a beautiful shot designed for desktop backgrounds, but was not real. That stood out to me but not to yourself, I suppose, and others. Certainly you're better than me in other areas.
So.... that's okay. It's the old cliche. Do you/we accept people who see the world differently than we do? Or do we make a big stink about it and call them stupid?
#162. To: Queen of LF Gaslighting, Tooconservative, Pinguinite, ALL (#127)
(Edited)
TC, I remember you posting that photo that showed one of the Apollo landing sites from the lander with the earth hugely lit behind it on the horizon.
#166. To: Liberator, Pinguinite (#162)
Earthrise' was the one and ONLY "photograph" taken "by Astronauts" allegedly "on the Moon. That's it. FIVE trips on the Moon (supposedly). ONE PHOTO. (Does that make ANY sense at all??)
Casting such dispersions on Ping or myself (through Ping) is a new low for you.
#176. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone (#166)
Earthrise was a photo snapped from moon orbit as Apollo 8 came around from behind the moon...
Replies to Comment # 176. FIVE MOON MISSIONS. But only ONE SINGLE photo of Earth from the Moon and/or it's alleged orbit?
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