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Title: RAW FOOTAGE: Balloon, aka NASA "Satellite" Floats Across Full Moon
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAfdkWy0QtE&feature=youtu.be
Published: Feb 3, 2018
Author: Flat Earth Dude
Post Date: 2019-09-28 17:41:37 by Liberator
Keywords: NASA, Satellite, Balloon
Views: 31191
Comments: 184
(Video taken through a Nikon P900 camera)
Poster Comment: Cool! Great shot of the Moon as well. (Sure doesn't seem like it's 239,000 miles away.) So.... is balloon technology how NASA really photographs earth? It appears they are able to attach an equipment gondola to the Balloon...and let 'er rip into Low Earth Orbit. One also wonders if "Astronauts" are actually embedded into a special Balloon gondola instead what's depicted in those dodgy "ISS" shots. Orbital velocity is the velocity needed to achieve balance between gravity's pull on the satellite and the inertia of the satellite's motion -- the satellite's tendency to keep going. This is approximately 17,000 mph (27,359 kph) at an altitude of 150 miles (242 kilometers). Without gravity, the satellite's inertia would carry it off into space. Moving juuuust a bit slower than 17,000 MPH. Source: 'HOW STUFF WORKS' https://science.howstuffworks.com/satellite6.htm
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#2. To: Liberator (#0)
That's not how any of this works.
Actually...IT IS. With respect to, 'HOW STUFF WORKS', I mis-formatted the post, so it's my fault there's some confusion. OF NOTE: According to 'HOW STUFF WORKS' and the link I provided: "Orbital velocity is the velocity needed to achieve balance between gravity's pull on the satellite and the inertia of the satellite's motion -- the satellite's tendency to keep going. This is approximately 17,000 mph.(27,359 kph) at an altitude of 150 miles (242 kilometers). Without gravity, the satellite's inertia would carry it off into space. We see neither traveling at 17,000 mph -- whether a gi-normous NASA balloon or the pix taken from NASA "Satellites" (which are actually "gondolas" tethered TO balloons at low earth orbit.)
NASA's Giant Helium Balloons will neither be escaping much beyond the stratosphere, nor dragged to earth via "gravity"... They drift (or are guided) at a very manageable speed (as captured by this amateur videographer in front of the moon), thus it is the perfect medium from which to view and photograph the earth....or be its passenger.
What would be the point of a randomly-drifting mission for either photography or passenger flight? Go take a look at the KH-11, from which the Hubbell telescope is derived. These are not randomly-drifting machines - I know; in a past life I helped to track them. When you know weeks, months or years in advance exactly when and where one would clear the horizon, that's pretty much the opposite of random.
Facts don't count when you debate Flattards. Math is irrelevant to Flattards and they don't recognize the concept of mathematical proofs or their finality as a problem's correct solution. I have noticed some interesting theories recently on the rise of Flat Earthers on YouBoob. Naturally, we all recognize how YouBoob is monetizing all of this while trying to use it to smear all religions, many of whose fundamentalists do reject science. It's a subtle attack strategy used by the TED people and Silicon Valley. But there is a real question of just how 'tarded the Flattards really are. And it is a serious question. These are the kids who flunked algebra and geometry and chemistry and physics. And they're the kids who argued with the teachers in every class you ever took, the contrarian adolescent types. It is a pronounced personality characteristic that they exhibit. Some people might consider the questioning of their fundamental intelligence and competence to be hitting below the belt but you can't view many of their top-rated videos - their best stuff - without starting to question if Flattards should be a category in the DSM as a mental disability or condition. [I thought Neil might like these videos; the first vlogger shows his test for dyscalculia based on an aircraft flight plan and says that no Flattard has managed to pass it with only a few even willing to try to. It reminded me of Neil's posts about aircraft flight plans on some old flat earth threads here at LF.]
Certainly all of us have our strengths and weaknesses in comprehension of various subjects and things. I know I have my weaknesses, so I can empathize with others who have them, even if they are weak in areas I'm strong in. TC, I remember you posting that photo that showed one of the Apollo landing sites from the lander with the earth hugely lit behind it on the horizon. I pretty much knew immediately it was doctored as the earth wouldn't be on the horizon for any Apollo mission, and the shadows didn't match earth's spherical illumination. Earth was also way too detailed for the cameras they had back then. It was a beautiful shot designed for desktop backgrounds, but was not real. That stood out to me but not to yourself, I suppose, and others. Certainly you're better than me in other areas. Then there is at least one person on this site for whom it is not possible for police to ever commit a sin. It could be said that that person suffers from a form of "dyscalculia" related to police. I'm sure many of us would say similar for those with "Trump derangement syndrome" because they cannot fathom Trump ever doing anything good. Another person here is a baseball, hot dogs and apple pie version of the worst of head-chopping ISIS members, yet still professes Christianity. I've said before and say again, My theory is that people have an overwhelming ability to believe things even if they are completely untrue. Liberator, whom I still do like and respect, believing the earth is flat is a validation of that theory, which I've subscribed to even before I read of his stating his belief. It's the same reason why most people's religious beliefs reflect that of their parents, no matter what the faith is-- Christianity, Judaim, Islam, Buddism, Hinduism or even Atheism. If it were otherwise then we'd see religious beliefs homogenously spread throughout the world, but we don't. Entire countries are by and large one faith, and remain so from one generation to the next. So.... that's okay. It's the old cliche. Do you/we accept people who see the world differently than we do? Or do we make a big stink about it and call them stupid? The old saying comes to mind, which I like: And when you think about that quote, it inescapably means that all of us are fools. The only difference is that some of us know it, and some of us don't.
I cannot find that thread now, not sure if it was deleted. Perhaps it was on a thread that was off-topic and hijacked into Moonbattery. And I do not concede that those very famous photos were not taken on the moon. What I recall is that there are a lot of people who don't seem to understand the small size and scale of the moon in general and particularly how that difference from Earth's size leads to things that would be anomalies. Except the moon is 250K miles away, 1/6 the mass of the earth, distance to the horizon on the moon is about half the distance to horizon on Earth, etc. I would also point out that the most famous of the Apollo photos of Earth was the one from Apollo 8 which showed the earth rising over the horizon as Apollo 8 came around the moon, a picture known ever since as Earthrise. (Apollo 8 was the main flyby of the moon, testing the Apollo system for suitability in a moon landing during Apollo 11.) Of course, you can choose to believe the moon landings were all faked, that they were filmed by Stanley Kubrick as propaganda on a sound stage, etc. But that doesn't make it true. Well, it is a fundamental question and not just one of manners or humoring people who are mentally deficient. Is 1+1=2 just an opinion? Is the Flat Earth just an opinion? Are the value of vaccination programs in public health just an opinion? Are the cargo cults of primitive tribes worshiping modern aircraft that fly over their jungles just another opinion? Is a square any different from a circle? Or is that just another opinion? There is a big difference between humoring someone and agreeing with them. And humoring people disputing the most basic science/math facts can lead to tragic results, usually for them but sometimes for others. If you're just saying that truth doesn't matter at all if it might hurt someone's feelings, then you should just come out and say that.
I pretty much knew immediately it was doctored as the earth wouldn't be on the horizon for any Apollo mission, and the shadows didn't match earth's spherical illumination. Earth was also way too detailed for the cameras they had back then. It was a beautiful shot designed for desktop backgrounds, but was not real. Interesting, Ping... You've simply shared an observation that questions the integrity of NASA, and suddenly TC immediately makes you the subject of an Inquisition, aggressively attempting to gaslight even you. WHY should you or anyone else be harassed and on the defensive simply defensive simply for sharing a valid observation?? I'd say this says quite a bit about Tooconservative's agenda. By your own observations, logic, and common sense you *knew* that NASA Apollo photo was an absolute doctored-fake. (NASA has been busted so many times with they hoaxing, CGI, and sloppiness that it is beyond embarrassing.) 'Earthrise' was the one and ONLY "photograph" taken "by Astronauts" allegedly "on the Moon. That's it. FIVE trips on the Moon (supposedly). ONE PHOTO. (Does that make ANY sense at all??) Earthrise is a PROVEN FRAUD. (The size/proportion of "Earth" from the "Moon" is comically wrong as well.) ONLY loyalists of NASA's lies (*cough, TC) dismiss even questioning the obvious il-logical and impossibilities of their sloppy photos, ridiculous shadows and countless inconsistencies while "on the Moon." THAT said, that quibble is hardly the worst of the exchange. Part of TC's Inquisition: "Is 1+1=2 just an opinion?...(followed by badgering and peppering with several questions by TC that challenged your intellect and integrity...) Well, it is a fundamental question and not just one of manners or humoring people who are mentally deficient....humoring people disputing the most basic science/math facts can lead to tragic results, usually for them but sometimes for others...There is a big difference between humoring someone and agreeing with them." Hilarious. "TRAGIC RESULTS"?? "For them and others"?? Bwaahaaa!! -- what a hyperbolic Drama Queen you've become. Attempting to blatantly gaslight Pinguinite not only insults his intelligence and integrity, but that of the rest of the entire forum. Casting such dispersions on Ping or myself (through Ping) is a new low for you. Except that only YOU pretend not see it. The *rest* of us DO. Here's a "fact," TC -- YOU are NOT the arbiter of "manners," nor "truth" or "facts"; Not close. Nor of "basic science/math facts." NOR ESPECIALLY of integrity or intellectual honesty. You don't actually care about "facts"; Who are you kidding? You care only about Gate-Keeping and maintaining institutional "official" narratives. It's pathological. On behalf of LF, I'm going to suggest that you may want to pull back the reins a bit in your crusade in questioning the mental health of anyone here. Some introspection is desperately needed. In other words, SEEK HELP.
That is a completely false suggestion. [Edit: I responded as though you suggested NASA itself created that doctored photo, which you did not state. Apologies...] We do not know who doctored the 2 photos. Most likely it was done by artistic type, not for the purpose of faking any moon landing evidence, but rather to simply make a cool desktop background photo. As I said, it was a beautiful work. Certainly we do not accuse artists of trying to mislead people when they do similar photo splicing of various images. We cannot & should not be overly paranoid. I assume you mean photos of the earth from the moon, as there are plenty of images alleging to be of the landing sites themselves. If you examine the moon map of the alleged landing sites, none are on the edge of the moon as viewed from earth. Therefore, the earth would have been relatively high in the moon-sky as viewed from the landing sites -- one thing that tipped me off that TC's posted photo was doctored as it showed earth on the horizon. But even if the Apollo astronauts turned their camera to the sky to photo the earth, there probably would have been no moonscape visible to give the photo context. And if the sun appeared directly in the photo, it might have wrecked any such image anyway. Keep in mind these were 1970's vintage cameras, now nearly 50 years old. Any such moon shots today would be far superior in quality. Proportions can be misleading, as they can vary depending on the lens used. You've certainly seen photos of the moon on, say, a beach setting where it appears far bigger, in relation to other objects, than it does to the human eye. That happens when a telephoto lens is used. The reverse happens with a wide-angle lens, making the sun or moon appear as a mere dot. Your mind is made up, and that's fine. Whatever the truth is re: Apollo missions, the truth will be revealed as technology improves. I was surprised to learn that the Hubble space telescope, while powerful enough to look at galaxies billions of light years away was not powerful enough to show the moon landings. I'm sure you'd say that is one more excuse to cover the fraud (though you certainly would say there is no Hubble telescope orbiting the earth anyway). You are satisfied that the moon landings were faked and the earth is flat. I am satisfied that the earth is round and the moon landings were, in all likelihood, real. That's fine. Best to you...
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#5. To: Tooconservative (#2)
That's not how any of this works.
#6. To: TooConservative (#5)
(Edited)
#7. To: Liberator (#6)
They drift (or are guided) at a very manageable speed (as captured by this amateur videographer in front of the moon), thus it is the perfect medium from which to view and photograph the earth....or be its passenger.
#10. To: Hank Rearden, Pinguinite, Liberator (#7)
Go take a look at the KH-11, from which the Hubbell telescope is derived. These are not randomly-drifting machines - I know; in a past life I helped to track them. When you know weeks, months or years in advance exactly when and where one would clear the horizon, that's pretty much the opposite of random.
#122. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#10)
[I thought Neil might like these videos; the first vlogger shows his test for dyscalculia based on an aircraft flight plan and says that no Flattard has managed to pass it with only a few even willing to try to. It reminded me of Neil's posts about aircraft flight plans on some old flat earth threads here at LF.]
A fool thinks himself wise, but a wise man knows he is a fool.
#127. To: Pinguinite (#122)
TC, I remember you posting that photo that showed one of the Apollo landing sites from the lander with the earth hugely lit behind it on the horizon. I pretty much knew immediately it was doctored as the earth wouldn't be on the horizon for any Apollo mission, and the shadows didn't match earth's spherical illumination. Earth was also way too detailed for the cameras they had back then. It was a beautiful shot designed for desktop backgrounds, but was not real. That stood out to me but not to yourself, I suppose, and others. Certainly you're better than me in other areas.
So.... that's okay. It's the old cliche. Do you/we accept people who see the world differently than we do? Or do we make a big stink about it and call them stupid?
#162. To: Queen of LF Gaslighting, Tooconservative, Pinguinite, ALL (#127)
(Edited)
TC, I remember you posting that photo that showed one of the Apollo landing sites from the lander with the earth hugely lit behind it on the horizon.
#164. To: Liberator (#162)
(Edited)
By your own observations, logic, and common sense you *knew* that NASA Apollo photo was an absolute doctored-fake. (NASA has been busted so many times with they hoaxing, CGI, and sloppiness that it is beyond embarrassing.)
'Earthrise' was the one and ONLY "photograph" taken "by Astronauts" allegedly "on the Moon. That's it. FIVE trips on the Moon (supposedly). ONE PHOTO. (Does that make ANY sense at all??)
Earthrise is a PROVEN FRAUD. (The size/proportion of "Earth" from the "Moon" is comically wrong as well.) ONLY loyalists of NASA's lies (*cough, TC) dismiss even questioning the obvious il-logical and impossibilities of their sloppy photos, ridiculous shadows and countless inconsistencies while "on the Moon."
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