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AG reveals ICE released thousands of ‘murderers and rapists’ from detention centers into US streets Status: Not Logged In; Sign In The Establishments war on Donald Trump See other The Establishments war on Donald Trump Articles Title: Urgent Concern Form Revised August 2019, Requirement for First-Hand Knowledge Eliminated Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Sep 27, 2019 Author: nolu chan Post Date: 2019-09-27 19:46:58 by nolu chan Keywords: None Views: 3112 Comments: 26 Urgent Concern Form Revised August 2019, Requirement for First-Hand Knowledge Eliminated nolu chan 27 September 2019 ICIC CPD - ICWPA Disclosure Form DISCLOSURE OF URGENT CONCERN FORM https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/Hotline/Urgent%20Concern%20Disclosure%20Form.pdf Metadata: xmp:ModifyDate: 2019-09-25T14:39:15-04:00 xmp:CreateDate: 2019-09-24T16:25-04:00 xmp:MetadataDate: 2019-09-25T14:39:15-04:00 xmp:CreatorTool: Acrobat PDFMaker 18 for Word It appears that, few days ago, the form was changed to delete the requirement to have direct and personal knowledge of reported matter. The ICIG will now accept a report even if one "heard about it from others." See Twitter thread of Stephen McIntyre: https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1177580473566093312 The form of 24 May 2018 stated: ICIG-ICWSP Urgent Concern Disclosure Form Page iii FIRST-HAND INFORMATION REQUIRED In order to find an urgent concern “credible," the ICIG must be in possession of reliable, first-hand information. The IC IG cannot transmit information via the ICWPA based on an employee's second-hand knowledge of wrongdoing. This includes information received from another person, such as when a fellow employee informs you that he/she witnessed some type of wrongdoing. (Anyone with first-hand knowledge of the allegations may file a disclosure in writing directly with IC IG.) Similarly, speculation about the existence of wrongdoing does not provide sufficient legal basis to meet the statutory requirements of the ICWPA. If you think that wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than second-hand or unsubstantiated assertions, IC IG will not be able to process the complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA. The form "Rev: August 2019", with a precise date unprovided, now states on page 2: 3. I know about the information I am disclosing here and: [ ] I have direct and personal knowledge [ ] I heard about it from others. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 16. #3. To: nolu chan (#0) You might be interested in this. RedState: BREAKING: Intel Community Secretly Changed the Whistle-Blower Rules to Allow the Trump-Ukraine Complaint Just Days Before It Was Filed It's just one of RedState's bloggers so it may not mean much. I see that some people are starting to raise the idea that there never was such a disclosure form prior to this complaint. Anyway, I saw it and thought of your thread here. Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-28   12:16:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Tooconservative (#3) RedState: BREAKING: Intel Community Secretly Changed the Whistle-Blower Rules to Allow the Trump-Ukraine Complaint Just Days Before It Was Filed I had not seen this specific article, but have seen some similar coverage. I cannot determine, without a specific rev date, if this was to allow the whistleleaker complaint, or a post-complaint CYA effort. If the Rev date was after the 12 August submission, it would not change the requirement on 12 August. The metadata creation date of the online form is 24 September 2019. The purported Rev date is just August 2019. The published Complaint of August 12, 2019 is on plain paper. I have not seen any associated urgent concern disclosure form. nolu chan  posted on  2019-09-28   16:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: nolu chan (#4) It is interesting. You would think that they would be very careful if they actually tried to backdate the form revision. But then, no one thought that Dan Rather and his accomplice would simply forge GW Bush's military records from the typewriter era using modern proportional fonts in Microsoft Word and get caught red-handed doing it, ending Rather's career (except for his sad-ass little news show on that old HD channel). Most people aren't aware he's still alive, even at CBS. I'm not sure how these things work with the feds. I assume they have some office that approves and issues forms. Also that they would have a committee that would oversee changes to forms and that at least one person in upper management would have to sign off on any changes. I don't think the feds just let anyone change their forms at the drop of a hat. There should be a committee and someone in management signing off on it. I always thought Coates was a very weak choice for DNI, don't see why they chose him. The current Acting DNI is Joseph Maguire who took office as Acting Director on August 19, 2019. So if the Deep State was going to sneak something into the pipeline to leak about, it would make sense to do it when Trump's top political appointee was cleaning out his desk. Funny it only took a month of Coates being gone and all of a sudden a major impeachment scandal surfaces via some new complaint form that for the first time allows hearsay accusations, something explicitly forbidden for decades. Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-28   20:32:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Tooconservative (#5) I'm not sure how these things work with the feds. I have some familiarity how form management works with federal government agencies. GSA controls for all government agencies, except when it is No Such Agency or Alphabet City. The August 12 submission, as published, is not on any form. nolu chan  posted on  2019-09-29   13:16:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: nolu chan (#6) (Edited) The August 12 submission, as published, is not on any form. But shouldn't there be a design committee behind form changes and some official signing off on it on a particular date and certifying the official form, using another form that responsible officials use to designate the official new form along with a filed original of the official document? What I knew of formal document creation involved input from the department, a committee making recommendations, and a responsible designated official making an official approval of the final form, after which the form went into general use and all obsolete forms were discarded/recycled. That's what we did at a big corporation I worked at and that was just for routine employee matters, not national security. This is national security administration, not just Joe Blow going down to file some change of address form at the local post office. A lot of lawyers probably worked on this form. That is, if it is actually a legitimate form that passed the appropriate procedure under forms created for national security. These are not some ad hoc forms cranked out at a moment's notice. It's impossible to imagine that DNI's legal advisers did not have input into the creation of a new document, one that contravened a decades-long policy against filing hearsay whistleblower complaints, such as this case. There should be a record of the DNI legal staff working on the form and vetting it, perhaps discussion of it among legal staff, a final approval (or disapproval) of the revised form. What I'm saying is there should be a form design committee, a public official with final approval, and some records of the DNI legal staff involved in reviewing such a major revision to a form in use for decades unchanged. Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-29   14:56:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Tooconservative (#7) What I knew of formal document creation involved input from the department, a committee making recommendations, and a responsible designated official making an official approval of the final form, after which the form went into general use and all obsolete forms were discarded/recycled. For most of the Government there is this and other regulations. https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/Handbook09.pdf STANDARD AND OPTIONAL FORMS PROCEDURAL HANDBOOK Forms Policy and Management Team GSA Office of Governmentwide Policy forms@gsa.gov July 2009 nolu chan  posted on  2019-09-30   12:57:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: nolu chan (#8) For most of the Government there is this and other regulations. https://www.gsa.gov/cdnstatic/Handbook09.pdf I think the forms and process are rather different at intel agencies than they are at Commerce, or Agriculture, or Education. Some of the intel agency forms themselves are likely classified material. Because it is so useful to keep them confidential. So I'm not prepared to believe that a whistleblower form at the DNI's office is exactly the same as whistleblower forms at routine civilian federal agencies. Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-30   16:46:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Tooconservative (#9) So I'm not prepared to believe that a whistleblower form at the DNI's office is exactly the same as whistleblower forms at routine civilian federal agencies. I'm fairly certain that they are not. I just heard on Fox News that the whistleblower used the appropriate 2018 form with the associated August 212 complaint and, therein, claimed first hand knowledge. And Trump had directed the keeping of all forms, a timeline of the changes, and who signed off on the change. nolu chan  posted on  2019-09-30   18:24:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: nolu chan (#10) (Edited) I'm fairly certain that they are not. I just heard on Fox News that the whistleblower used the appropriate 2018 form with the associated August 212 complaint and, therein, claimed first hand knowledge. And Trump had directed the keeping of all forms, a timeline of the changes, and who signed off on the change. So do you now disbelieve that the forms were unchanged entirely at the DNI office and at the various intel agencies? Are you suggesting that only the forms used at intelligence agencies allow for hearsay accusations to be made? Something is starting to sound inconsistent about what you have been relating about the new hearsay allowance of whistleblower allegations that are now supposedly in effect at the DNI office or at the intel agencies. I wouldn't accept everything heard on FNC as gospel either. Baier hosts NeverTrumpers (including his best college buddy is NeverTrumper Steve Hayes). And you have NeverTrumper Sheppy Smith who is gaying it up almost daily with Judge Napolitano. I'm getting more and more the impression that FNC's opinion shows are more trustworthy for hard news info than is FNC's daytime news division with Shep Smith and Bret Baier. Who on FNC was reporting the use of the 2018 form along with the revised August complaint and did they report this on FNC or did you surmise this for yourself? Who stated directly (and on which show) that the whistleblower had firsthand knowledge and not a hearsay accusation? Why can't I find any other news source confirming what you are alleging was reported at FNC about the whistleblower and firsthand allegations. I'm getting nothing from a handful of the usual rather busy news sites. Nada. Is only FNC reporting this? Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-30   18:57:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Tooconservative (#11) Who stated directly (and on which show) that the whistleblower had firsthand knowledge and not a hearsay accusation? The ICIG in a new report which was in the reporter's hand. Why can't I find any other news source confirming what you are alleging was reported at FNC about the whistleblower and firsthand allegations. Because you have not yet achieved Jedi mastery over the google. :-) nolu chan  posted on  2019-09-30   22:18:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: nolu chan (#14) I see now that there is a DNI news release. https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/News/ICIG%20News/2019/September%2030%20-%20Statement%20on%20Processing%20of%20Whistleblower%20Complaints/ICIG%20Statement%20on%20Processing%20of%20Whistleblower%20Complaints.pdf I see that they are retards about white space in file names. Some people just never learn. I found the link in an article at HotAir: Lindsey Graham: “We’re not going to try the president of the United States based on hearsay” Tooconservative  posted on  2019-10-01   0:36:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 16. #17. To: Tooconservative (#16) I see now that there is a DNI news release. It was on Lou Dobbs on Fox Business channel last night. The first few minutes before that are worth watching. At 2:54 Andrew McCarthy comments on the statute. Catherine Herridge talked about the ICIG report in her hand that had just been received at the 3:13 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVKTLR9F-UQ nolu chan  posted on  2019-10-01 12:09:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 16. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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