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Title: Justice Alito Was Right
Source: Fox News
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010 ... n-finance-alito-supreme-court/
Published: Jan 29, 2010
Author: Judge Andrew Napolitano
Post Date: 2010-01-29 09:30:31 by Badeye
Keywords: None
Views: 20495
Comments: 42

Justice Alito Was Right By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano - FOXNews.com

Despite claims made by the president, last week's Supreme Court opinion on campaign finance specifically excludes foreign nationals and foreign-owned corporations from its ruling.

print email share recommend (6) The Supreme Court issued a ruling last week on the campaign finance that is still being discussed all over the country. In fact, it was even mentioned by President Obama at Wednesday night’s State of the Union address. The high court invalidated its own 20-year-old ruling -- which had upheld a one hundred-year-old statute on group political contributions -- and it also invalidated a portion of the McCain-Feingold Campaign finance law.

The 20-year-old ruling had forbidden any political spending by groups such as corporations, labor unions, and advocacy organizations (like the NRA and Planned Parenthood, for example). Ruling that all persons, individually and in groups, have the same unfettered free speech rights, the court blasted Congress for suppression of that speech. In effect, the court asked, “What part of ‘Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech’ does Congress not understand?” Thus, all groups of two or more persons are free to spend their own money on any political campaigns and to mention the names of the candidates in their materials.

The court also threw out the portion of McCain-Feingold law that had prohibited persons who pool their funds or contribute to Political Action Committees (PACs), from spending those funds, directly or through PACs, in the 60 day period preceding an election. Since that 60 day period preceding the election is the most vital in any campaign, the court held that the prohibition on expenditures during that time was a violation of the free speech guaranteed to all persons, individually and in groups, by the First Amendment.

Thus, as a result of this ruling, all groups may spend their own money as they wish on any political campaigns, but they still may not--as groups--contribute directly to candidates’ campaigns. The direct political contribution prohibition in McCain-Feingold that prevents corporations, labor unions, and advocacy groups from giving money directly to candidates was not challenged in this case, thus its constitutionality was not an issue before the court. Groups will thus effectively be running and financing their own campaigns for candidates independent of those candidates’ campaigns.

The case arose in the context of a challenge by an advocacy group that produced a 90-minute motion picture called "Hillary: The Movie," a highly critical movie about Hillary Clinton, to a ruling by the Federal Election Commission (FEC). The FEC had ruled that in reality the movie was an anti-Hillary political ad. And, since it was financed by an advocacy group, it was banned under the Supreme court's 20- year-old ruling, the one that the Court just invalidated. That movie can now, two years after it was made and eighteen months after Sen. Clinton abandoned her presidential campaign, be distributed and viewed.

During the course of oral argument on this case in October in the Supreme Court, one of the FEC's lawyers replied to a question from Justice Antonin Scalia to the effect that the FEC could ban books if they were paid for by corporations, labor unions, or advocacy groups. This highly un-American statement in the Supreme Court by a government lawyer--that the federal government can ban political books--infuriated a few of the justices. The conservative justices were joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy, the swing vote between the conservative and liberal blocs on the Court. The Court's newest member, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined the dissent.

On Wednesday night, during his State of the Union address, the president attacked this decision by arguing that the ruling permits foreign nationals and foreign corporations to spend money on American campaigns. When he said this, Justice Samuel Alito, who was seated just 15 feet from the president, gently whispered: “That’s not true.” Justice Alito was right. The Supreme Court opinion, which is 183 pages in length, specifically excludes foreign nationals and foreign-owned corporations from its ruling. So the president, the former professor of law at the one of the country’s best law schools, either did not read the opinion, or was misrepresenting it.

Judge Andrew Napolitano is Fox New Channel's senior judicial analyst.

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#2. To: All (#0)

Despite claims made by the president, last week's Supreme Court opinion on campaign finance specifically excludes foreign nationals and foreign-owned corporations from its ruling.

But does nothing to prevent the US incorporated wholly owned subsidiaries of foreign corporations from enjoying US citizenship.

The fact that a) the sidebar is being spammed with, essentially, the same article over and over and b) it makes the same distortion and c) is an extremely minor political issue being made d) into a major one by the running scared reveals that the GOP has NOTHING to offer except the same bullshit...over and over and over...

war  posted on  2010-01-29   9:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Badeye (#0)

“What part of ‘Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech’

It's amazing how the clear and simple language of the First Amendment can be muddied and made more complex to suit whatever agenda du jour.

The ruling boils down to this: Statists (like John McCain and President Zero) hate it; while those who believe more freedom is better generally applaud it.

The science is settled, peer-reviews are complete, and the debate is over: Al Gore IS a fraud and an idiot.

Barack H W Bush  posted on  2010-01-29   9:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Barack H W Bush (#3)

Invited Exxon over for dinner lately?

war  posted on  2010-01-29   9:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#4)

Invited Exxon over for dinner lately?

It's amazing how the clear and simple language of the First Amendment can be muddied and made more complex to suit whatever agenda du jour.

The science is settled, peer-reviews are complete, and the debate is over: Al Gore IS a fraud and an idiot.

Barack H W Bush  posted on  2010-01-29   9:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: war (#4)

What is it about freedom of speech that scares you?

The science is settled, peer-reviews are complete, and the debate is over: Al Gore IS a fraud and an idiot.

Barack H W Bush  posted on  2010-01-29   9:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#2)

But does nothing to prevent the US incorporated wholly owned subsidiaries of foreign corporations from enjoying US citizenship.

And as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, idiot, it was not the place of the SC to define what a foreign corporation is. Congress can feel free to do so.

The fact that this has been pointed out to you repeatedly and you continue to ignore it shows that you are a mental lightweight, and you just come here to perform electronic fellatio on your black super hero.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-01-29   9:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Barack H W Bush (#6)

What is it about answering my question that scares you? Have YOU had Exxon, or GE or Verizon over for dinner lately? Seen them in church? How about dropping their kids off at school? PTA meetings?

war  posted on  2010-01-29   9:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: war (#8) (Edited)

Have YOU had Exxon, or GE or Verizon over for dinner lately? Seen them in church? How about dropping their kids off at school? PTA meetings?

Exxon can't come over for dinner. It is just the name of a company. Exxon can't talk either. But people who own shares in exxon or work for the company are human beings and they can talk. Those people have free speech too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   10:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#8)

Against my better judgment, I'll play along. No, I haven't "had Exxon over to dinner lately" since EXXON is one of those big, eeeeeeeeeeevil corporations.

Now - answer MY question. What is it about free speech that scares you so much.

EXXON can spend millions - BILLIONS - on advocacy ads. So what? I happen to believe truth will out. If EXXON is promoting bullshit, then their ads will eventually come to naught. Truth eventually wins out, no matter how much money the other side throws in opposition.

Want proof of this? Look no further than the recent "climate-gate". Billions were spend by Algore and his brain-dead lemmings on bullshit and propoganda. But the truth finally came out and we saw it for the fraud that it is.

Truth - let's try it for a change.

The science is settled, peer-reviews are complete, and the debate is over: Al Gore IS a fraud and an idiot.

Barack H W Bush  posted on  2010-01-29   10:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#9) (Edited)

Those people have free speech too.

At several points I have pointed out that their speech has not been infringed. AT no point in this 5-4 decision is this issue raised.

But this - Exxon can't talk either - is the crux of my argument. But now thanks to this 5-4 decision, it can.

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#11)

At several points I have pointed out that their speech has not bene infringed.

So you have no problem with the decision?

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   10:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Barack H W Bush (#10)

What is it about free speech that scares you so much.

Nothing.

What is to stop Citizen Exxon from buying up all available commercial time from mid-October until the 1st Tuesday after the 1st Monday in November?

Here I am...a nice little advocacy group which scrapes together $100K for a 30 second spot @ 7:28PM on 10/27...I get a call telling me someone just paid $200K for the same spot and, so sorry, better luck next time...

That's not free speech, mon frer, that's commerce, and I believe that you know that.

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#12) (Edited)

I've stated what my issue is: A corporation is not a person in any sense of the word and I believe that when Jefferson wrote "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal" and thus endowed that he was NOT refrring to the East India Tea Company...

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:11:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#13)

Here I am...a nice little advocacy group which scrapes together $100K for a 30 second spot @ 7:28PM on 10/27...I get a call telling me someone just paid $200K for the same spot and, so sorry, better luck next time...

That's not free speech, mon frer, that's commerce, and I believe that you know that.

Are you stuck in 1990? You have heard of alternate media and the internet, right?

You do know that that CBSABCNBCNYTIMESWASHINGTONPOSTLATIMES have reduced market share and some are losing money, right?

The science is settled, peer-reviews are complete, and the debate is over: Al Gore IS a fraud and an idiot.

Barack H W Bush  posted on  2010-01-29   10:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: war (#14)

So you are consistent and think that the government doesn't have free speech. They are a government not a person.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   10:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Barack H W Bush (#15)

Are you stuck in 1990? You have heard of alternate media and the internet, right?

This issue arose because Citizens United was denied access to "On Demand" on conventional cable services.

But are you going to answer my question? I scrape together $100K and buy a spot...I get a call saying...sorry...someone is going to pay $200K...so sorry...

How does this decision stop "free speech" from becoming a bidding war?

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)

You'll turn blue in the face before he admits he's just plain wrong. Watch and see.

If you see comments designed to distract from the article, you are informed the poster is out of ammo....

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-29   10:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#16)

When the POTUS makes a speech he asks the networks for time. Sometimes they say no.

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#16)

When Obama addressed the school children, what was the reaction from a very vocal minority...? One of the points was that Obama had "no right" to address school children.

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#19)

When the POTUS makes a speech he asks the networks for time. Sometimes they say no.

He is head of a corporation. So by your logic he shouldn't be to talk anything about elections.

He should be arrested.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   10:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#20)

When Obama addressed the school children, what was the reaction from a very vocal minority...? One of the points was that Obama had "no right" to address school children.

If you were consistent you would have said that too.

But he still did address them didn't he.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   10:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Badeye (#0)

Despite claims made by the president, last week's Supreme Court opinion on campaign finance specifically excludes foreign nationals and foreign-owned corporations from its ruling.

It doesn't exclude U.S. subsidiaries of foreign owned companies from spending on campaigns.

go65  posted on  2010-01-29   10:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#21)

He's the head of the government not a corporation. He's running as an individual for an office not as a corporation.

Off all your arguments, this is the weakest...in fact, it makes your other arguments weaker as well...Exxon can't run for office...

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Badeye (#18)

You'll turn blue in the face before he admits he's just plain wrong. Watch and see.

I don't think any posters on these forums ever change their mind. Or very very rarely. Most of us have our opinions set in stone.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   10:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: go65 (#23)

They are ignoring that 800lb gorilla...

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#25)

I don't think any posters on these forums ever change their mind. Or very very rarely. Most of us have our opinions set in stone.

How much fun would internet political forums be if folks were open minded? :-)

go65  posted on  2010-01-29   10:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#17)

I scrape together $100K and buy a spot...I get a call saying...sorry...someone is going to pay $200K...so sorry...

How does this decision stop "free speech" from becoming a bidding war?

Because there is no longer just one market place. If network A doesn't want to take my money, then I have no doubt that Network B (or website B or cable outlet B or satellite outlet B or. . . ) will.

Let's review a basic point here. We're talking about speech that can be used to criticize or promote government and politicians, correct?

So why are you in favor of having that same government serve as the referee? Would you like it if the hockey team your kid was playing got to choose the refs?

The science is settled, peer-reviews are complete, and the debate is over: Al Gore IS a fraud and an idiot.

Barack H W Bush  posted on  2010-01-29   10:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#25)

I don't think any posters on these forums ever change their mind.

Nope...but I can't for the life of me understand why none of YOU do...chuckles...

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: war (#24)

That's odd because the U.S. code defines the united states as a corporation.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html

TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002

§ 3002. Definitions

(14) “State” means any of the several States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas, or any territory or possession of the United States. (15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or (C) an instrumentality of the United States.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   10:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Barack H W Bush (#28) (Edited)

If network A doesn't want to take my money, then I have no doubt that Network B (or website B or cable outlet B or satellite outlet B or. . . ) will.

That's what I'm staking my hopes on...your lack of doubt?

I go to network B...too bad, slim...someone already bought it...

So...I'll put it on Dr. Lara's site...that reaches a whopping 5000 stay at home Moms a day and given that my issue is that my prostate medicine company is being hurt by foreign competition it will resonate loudly with that group.

Meanehile Glaxo USA, a Delaware corporation, just reached 25MM households stating that the status quo is a good thing and that the GOP is in favor of the status quo and if the democrats get in prostate cancer will rise and have a nice day...

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#31)

I'll give you this. You have some legitimate concerns. But as the constitution is written it is a correct decision. If your side wants it their way. They should do it lawfully and amend the constitution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   10:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#30)

hat's odd because the U.S. code defines the united states as a corporation.

You're misreading the statute. There is a body of law which establishes the meaning of the term "corporation" in that statute. You can research that on your own as it is a red herring here...my suggestion is that you start here...

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#32)

The controversy of this case arises out of the theory of corporate personhood. I'll stick to my guns and refer you back to the Framers...if you can find anything from their writings...anything from their contemporary common law ...that establishes that a corporation has the same protected rights as an individual, I will concede your point.

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#33)

Also every state in the union or practically every state has little signs that say incorporated in xxxx.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   10:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#35)

I know. You're taking too narrow a definition of corporation...read what I lnked you to...

war  posted on  2010-01-29   10:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: go65 (#23)

Spending 'on campaigns'?

If you see comments designed to distract from the article, you are informed the poster is out of ammo....

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-29   11:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war, A K A Stone (#31)

For whatever "what if?" you can come up with, I am not in favor of granting the gov't referee powers. Here's a "what if?" for you: Another horrible, horrible POTUS gets elected (egads!! even worse than Bush!) He gets to appoint 6 SCOTUS justices - then they "find" that free speech doesn't apply to "anti-family" groups.

You like THAT decision?

Unlike you, I'm not an end justifies the means type of guy. I happen to believe the 1st A means what it says, in plain and simple languge.

I agree with AKA - don't like what it says? Amend it.

The science is settled, peer-reviews are complete, and the debate is over: Al Gore IS a fraud and an idiot.

Barack H W Bush  posted on  2010-01-29   11:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Barack H W Bush (#38)

For whatever "what if?" you can come up with

These aren't "what if's"...these are now certainty's...

I'd prefer that someone is protecting the freedom of a person over an inanimate object...

war  posted on  2010-01-29   11:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Barack H W Bush, war, a k a stone (#38)

Justice Stevens:

If taken seriously, our colleagues' assumption that the identity of a speaker has no relevance to the Government's ability to regulate political speech would lead to some remarkable conclusions. Such an assumption would have accorded the propaganda broadcasts to our troops by "Tokyo Rose" during World War II the same protection as speech by Allied commanders. More pertinently, it would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans: To do otherwise, after all, could " 'enhance the relative voice' " of some ( i.e. , humans) over others ( i.e. , nonhumans). Ante , at 33 (quoting Buckley , 424 U. S., at 49). Under the majority's view, I suppose it may be a First Amendment problem that corporations are not permitted to vote, given that voting is, among other things, a form of speech.

And:

" 'It is a plausible inference from the court's opinion that [foreign] money can't be restricted,' said Michael Dorf, a Cornell law professor who has backed giving foreigners the right to contribute to U.S. campaigns.

go65  posted on  2010-01-29   11:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: go65 (#40)

Psssst, Stevens viewpoint lost.

If you see comments designed to distract from the article, you are informed the poster is out of ammo....

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-29   12:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: go65 (#40)

The can of worms that was opened with this decision, eh?

war  posted on  2010-01-29   13:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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