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Title: Bye-bye Biden? Warren leads in new national poll, tied for lead in another
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/allahpu ... tional-poll-tied-lead-another/
Published: Sep 25, 2019
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2019-09-25 16:11:16 by Tooconservative
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Views: 4343
Comments: 35

Bear in mind, these results are trickling in *before* Democratic voters have digested the allegations of corruption made against Biden in the Ukraine matter. Even if they opt not to believe them, how many will conclude that swing voters will believe them next fall and start discounting Biden’s alleged “electability” advantage?

Imagine if Trump ends up being impeached for trying to make trouble abroad for a candidate who was never going to be his general election opponent anyway.

A game-changing new poll from Quinnipiac:

DEMOCRATS/DEMOCRATIC LEANERS..........................................
 Sep 25Aug 28Aug 06Jul 29Jul 02Jun 11May 21Apr 30Mar 28
Biden25323234223035829
Sanders16151411131916119
O'Rourke2 1 2 2 1 3 2512
Harris3 7 71220 7 88 8
Warren271921151415132 4
Booker- 1 2 1 3 1 32 2
Klobuchar2 1 1 1 1 1 21 2
Buttigieg7 5 5 6 4 8 50 4
DK/NA13 91012121311814

Not only is 27 percent the best Warren’s ever done in a national poll, it’s also the first time she’s led Biden outright in any national poll. As usual, she leads him in enthusiasm too: Fully 70 percent of Dems say they’d be excited to see her as nominee versus 56 percent who say the same of Biden.

The real alarm bell for Grandpa Joe, though, is the split among black voters, as Philip Klein rightly notes:
Back in a July poll, Warren was essentially in a three-way tie for second place, with 15 percent nationally, according to Quinnipiac. In that poll, she was at 20 percent among white voters, but way back at six percent among black voters. In a Wednesday poll, she has vaulted to the top, with 27 percent overall, just edging out Joe Biden, at 25 percent. But now among black voters, she’s in second place, at 19 percent.

In California, it’s a similar story. A new LA Times poll finds Warren jumping to a 29 percent to 22 percent lead in the delegate-rich state overall, but, she’s only trailing Biden 32 percent to 24 percent among black voters. Sen. Kamala Harris, who is both black and from California, was at 18 percent among the group.

Not only is Warren now second to Biden among black voters, trailing him 40/19, but Bernie Sanders has 12 percent of that group. If Bernie fades and black progressives begin drifting towards Warren, suddenly she’d be competitive with Joe among voters who are supposed to be his “firewall,” the group that will offset his losses among other demographics by preferring him overwhelmingly. Blacks no longer prefer him overwhelmingly, according to today’s Quinnipiac data. And given the general drift towards Warren in all polling lately, it’s likely that his lead among them will shrink rather than grow.

Could the Quinnipiac poll be an outlier? Seems unlikely. This new data that dropped this morning from YouGov confirms that the race is a coin flip right now, with Warren and Biden neck and neck in the mid-20s.

When Democratic voters are asked whom they’re considering voting for, Warren leads Biden 54/47. There are other polls lately that look like this too — Emerson recently had Biden up 25/23 and NBC/WSJ had it 31/25 in mid-September. There’s no reason, in other words, to think Quinnipiac and YouGov are “bad polls” for Biden or “good polls” for Warren. They seem to accurately reflect the state of the race at the moment, before the impact of the Ukraine stuff has been felt. In fact, as of today, Warren is the first candidate besides Biden to crack 20 percent in the RCP poll of polls since May. She seems to be for real.

“But wait,” you say, “national polls are interesting but ultimately don’t matter. Iowa and New Hampshire are what matter.” Right, true — but Warren’s surging there too. I already posted this new Monmouth poll of New Hampshire yesterday but it’s worth eyeballing the numbers again:

1. If the Democratic primary election for president was today, would you vote for [NAMES WERE ROTATED]?  [If UNDECIDED: If you had to vote for one of these candidates at this moment, who do you lean toward?]
TREND: (with leaners)Sept.
2019
May
2019
Elizabeth Warren 27% 8%
Joe Biden 25% 36%
Bernie Sanders 12% 18%
Pete Buttigieg 10% 9%
Kamala Harris 3% 6%
Cory Booker 2% 2%
Tulsi Gabbard 2% <1%
Amy Klobuchar 2% 2%
Tom Steyer 2%n/a
Andrew Yang 2% 1%
Beto O’Rourke 1% 2%

She’s just three points behind Biden in the RCP polling average of the state right now. And Iowa? Warren has led the field there in the last two polls taken, 24/16 over Biden in an Iowa State survey taken in mid-September and 22/20 in a Des Moines Register poll conducted a few days later. She’s up 2.7 points in the RCP average.

If you had to make a bet on the Democratic primaries at this particular moment in time, Warren running the table would look like a fairly solid bet. The question is whether South Carolina’s mostly black Democratic electorate would stick with Biden if he lost the first two states or if they’d break for Warren if she won them. The signs there aren’t great for Biden either, per Politico:

Biden’s level of support in South Carolina makes it his firewall state, but even in South Carolina there are troubling signs of erosion. While he remains on top, among black voters, who are more than 60 percent of the Democratic electorate, Biden has plummeted 19 points in Tyson’s polls. That’s a potential leading indicator of the problems he could face after South Carolina’s Feb. 29 primary when many of the minority-heavy Southeastern states — as well as Texas and California — beginning voting on Super Tuesday, March 3, and thereafter.

As strange as it is to imagine after the Democratic field initially ballooned to more than 20 candidates, the actual race could be over quickly once Democrats start voting. Which means Trump will never have a chance to use the Ukraine matter against Biden — but Warren will have lots of chances to use it against Trump. Good lord.

Exit question: Kamala Harris is now at three percent nationally, per Quinnipiac? Was even Scott Walker’s 2016 flameout as embarrassing as this?


Poster Comment:

Brutal numbers for Biden. And these were before most of the news about his own Ukraine scandal came out.

Will Team Biden even survive the journey to the Iowa caucus? And Warren is taking the black vote away from him, his last stronghold.

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#8. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Now if Warren were a black woman, but I'm not allowed to go there?

paraclete  posted on  2019-09-25   20:35:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: paraclete (#8)

Now if Warren were a black woman, but I'm not allowed to go there?

Would you settle for a #FakeCherokee if she were further Left than Karl Marx?

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-26   7:47:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative, paraclete (#9) (Edited)

Would you settle for a #FakeCherokee

The fact that this Cherokee thing is the main argument against Warren shows two things. First her opponents are desperate, second she is going to be the next President (unless Trump has some tremendous successes).

further Left than Karl Marx?

Taxing great wealth is not Karl Marx idea, abolishing it altogether is. Taxing it (akin to FDR New Deal) would prolong the life of capitalism (like restart of Monopoly Game or Jubilee year).

Radical Marxists would not have it. They would rather prefer greater concentration of wealth in few hands and misery of common people, so revolution becomes possible.

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#11. To: A Pole (#10)

Warren is a cunt and you suck Obama's balls. You are a murderer like the cunt. If those babies had guns I wish they would boow your brains out for trying to murder them

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-26 08:28:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A Pole, Tooconservative, paraclete (#10)

The fact that this Cherokee thing is the main argument against Warren shows two things. First her opponents are desperate, second she is going to be the next President (unless Trump has some tremendous successes).

Should Warren be nominated, Trump will be reelected in a landslide. Her stated policies may work in a radical socialist Democrat primary, but would challenge George McGovern for the record for electoral college failure (520-17).

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#26. To: A Pole (#10)

not concerned about cherokee, that can only be a local issue as to marxist, well we have all been there an it isn't pleasant so noone wants rerun

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