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Title: The Very Book The Government Does Not Want You To Read Just Went #1 In The World
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URL Source: https://www.collective-evolution.co ... read-just-went-1-in-the-world/
Published: Sep 18, 2019
Author: Arjun Walia
Post Date: 2019-09-20 07:27:10 by Deckard
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Edward Snowden recently released a book titled "Permanent Record." The US government is now suing the publisher of the book for not giving the CIA and the NSA a chance to erase classified details from the book. What is the government really protecting? Are they protecting the well being of the citizenry or are they protecting immoral, unethical, political, corporate and elitist interests? George Orwell’s 1984 is a classic book depicting a populace ruled by a political regime that persecutes individualism and independent critical thinking as “thoughtcrimes” that must be enforced by the “thought police.” This party seeks power above all, and, through the propagandist Ministry of Truth, presents the people with their version of truth and casts away all other information and opinion. Sound familiar? This is exactly what’s happening today right in front of our eyes. The “ministry of truth” comes in the form, at least on social media, as FakeNews watchdogs. These are entities that are flagging information that threatens corporate and political interests and labels it as “fake news” when a lot of it, is in fact, the complete opposite. Since when does an authoritative entity like the government have to step in and decide for the people what is real and what is not? Are people not capable of examining sources and determining this for themselves? These fake news watchdogs have some interesting sponsors. One of these sponsors, for example, is NewsGuard. They are funded by Clinton donors and big pharma, with ties to the CFR. You can read more about that entity here. Companies and government agencies who are threatened by information also seem to be employing an “army of bloggers, surrogates, trolls, and bots on Twitter, Facebook, and by email” (Robert F. Kennedy Jr.) to try and sway discussion and brainwash people. We here at Collective Evolution have been experiencing them as well. The world knows why the hunt for Julian Assange was ongoing for so long, it’s because he leaked secrets and exposed those who keep them. He exposed the lies, corruption and deceit that represents the backbone of the Western military alliance and the American empire. He exposed, in the words of John F. Hylan, former Mayor of New York City, the “real menace of Republic”, the “invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation.” He exposes the ones “who virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes.” (source)(source) He exposed immoral and unethical actions that have no basis and justification, he is a hero. The same thing goes for National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower Edward Snowden, who leaked classified documents regarding the scope of the US governments surveillance programs, which is and was huge. He is and was not the first, William Binney did the same, along with Thomas Drake and many others. Keep in mind that this is a global mass surveillance program. Snowden recently released a book about it, and more. In the book, Snowden goes into great detail about how he risked everything to expose the US government’s system of mass surveillance. In it, he reveals the story of his life, including how he helped to build that system and what motivated him to try to bring it down. Mass surveillance, facial recognition, etc, are justified by the national security state for the purposes of combating terrorism, for example. But, what does the connection between terrorist organizations and the US government say about these programs? If the US government itself, or factions of it, are arming these terrorists, creating them, and carrying out false flag events blaming them on terrorism in order to justify infiltration of a country for ulterior motives as well as a heightened the national security state which involves mass surveillance, this means that their justification for these programs is a complete lie. So what’s the real reason for them? This is well known, a few years ago current democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard introduced the stop arming terrorist act, which would stop the U.S. government from using taxpayer dollars to directly or indirectly support groups who are allied with and supporting terrorist groups like ISIS and al Qaeda in their war to overthrow the Syrian government. (source) As far as false flag terrorist attacks go, many believe the chemical gas attacks in Syria were orchestrated by the western military alliance in order to justify the infiltration of the country. The evidence for this is quite grand. 9/11 is another example many people believe was false flag terrorism. ‘Protecting National security’ has now become an umbrella term to justify immoral and unethical actions. Perhaps Snowden’s book sheds light on that. I have yet to read it. William Binney is a former high ranking intelligence official with the National Security Agency (NSA). He’s had quite the go, starting in 2002 when he let the public know of a system ( ‘trailblazer’) intended to analyze data carried on communication networks (like the internet). He exposed the agencies eavesdropping program and has faced harassment from the FBI, NSA and more. He has been in and out of the court room ever since he decided to resign and blow the whistle. Binney hasn’t stopped, one of the highest-level whistleblowers to ever come out of the NSA. He is now saying: “At least 80% of fibre optic cables globally go via the US, this is no accident and allows the US to view all communication coming in. At least 80% of all audio calls, not just metadata, are recorded and stored in the US. The NSA lies about what it stores. The ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control.” (source) At the end of the day, the US government suing the publisher of Snowden’s book is only bringing more attention to the truth of mass censorship and that this global elite is losing power. The more the global elite respond the way they are, with this like the mass censorship of information, alternative independent media outlets being shut down, and jailing people like Julian Assange, the more they hurt their own interests… which is inspiring for humanity as we awaken. In Brief
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He is a whiney little bitch, ANYBODY with 2 IQ points to rub together knows the government "spies" on citizens. You don't think the Feebs didn't spy on recent German immigrants during WW-2? Hell,they put Japanese people who were born as US citizens in internment camps for the duration of the war. The ygly truth is the end result was they were protected from attack by idiot Americans for "looking like the enemy" during the war. People from Germany weren't put into containment camps because nobody could look at them and tell they were German.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
So they are cleverly keeping it out of circulation by allowing Amazon to sell it via mail order?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Fixed it. Uh … How? It’s saying the same thing with the same end results. But if you like your version better – then I am perfectly okay with it. What some hoped for with Snowden’s revelations was that the U.S. intelligence community would be destroyed. It was not. Exactly the opposite has happened - It has strengthened since Edward Snowden became your American hero. Despite undoubted intelligence losses, new collection barriers, and diplomatic embarrassments, the community has now emerged as a stronger organization discounting – yes indeed and We are being spied on better and faster Salute,
No one really knew the extent until Snowden revealed it.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. What law would that be he broke. Since congress shall make NO LAW....... There is no law.
You are mistaking the government action as a criminal action when it is a civil action. The article is misrepresents the government action as one to prevent publication. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, September 17, 2019 United States Files Civil Lawsuit against Edward Snowden for Publishing a Book in Violation of CIA and NSA Non-Disclosure Agreements The United States today filed a lawsuit against Edward Snowden, a former employee of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and contractor for the National Security Agency (NSA), who published a book entitled Permanent Record in violation of the non-disclosure agreements he signed with both CIA and NSA. The lawsuit alleges that Snowden published his book without submitting it to the agencies for pre-publication review, in violation of his express obligations under the agreements he signed. Additionally, the lawsuit alleges that Snowden has given public speeches on intelligence-related matters, also in violation of his non-disclosure agreements. The United States’ lawsuit does not seek to stop or restrict the publication or distribution of Permanent Record. Rather, under well-established Supreme Court precedent, Snepp v. United States, the government seeks to recover all proceeds earned by Snowden because of his failure to submit his publication for pre-publication review in violation of his alleged contractual and fiduciary obligations. The lawsuit also names as nominal defendants the corporate entities involved in publishing Snowden’s book. The United States is suing the publisher solely to ensure that no funds are transferred to Snowden, or at his direction, while the court resolves the United States’ claims. Snowden is currently living outside of the United States. “Edward Snowden has violated an obligation he undertook to the United States when he signed agreements as part of his employment by the CIA and as an NSA contractor,” said Assistant Attorney General Jody Hunt of the Department of Justice’s Civil Division. “The United States’ ability to protect sensitive national security information depends on employees’ and contractors’ compliance with their non-disclosure agreements, including their pre-publication review obligations. This lawsuit demonstrates that the Department of Justice does not tolerate these breaches of the public’s trust. We will not permit individuals to enrich themselves, at the expense of the United States, without complying with their pre-publication review obligations.” “Intelligence information should protect our nation, not provide personal profit,” said G. Zachary Terwilliger, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. “This lawsuit will ensure that Edward Snowden receives no monetary benefits from breaching the trust placed in him.” This lawsuit is separate from the criminal charges brought against Snowden for his alleged disclosures of classified information. This lawsuit is a civil action, and based solely on Snowden’s failure to comply with the clear pre-publication review obligations included in his signed non-disclosure agreements. This matter is being handled by the Department of Justice’s Civil Division and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Virginia. The claims asserted by the United States are allegations only; there has been no determination of liability. Attachment(s): Component(s): Press Release Number: Updated September 17, 2019
Stop with the bullshit that “No one really knew the extent until Snowden revealed it.” Since 2001 it has been common knowledge that the government has engaged in massive, illegal dragnet surveillance of millions of ordinary citizens. There were full blown press reports in late 2005. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been at the forefront in an attempt to stops it. you can even read the timelines here. News reports in December 2005 first revealed that the National Security Agency (NSA) has been intercepting Americans’ phone calls and Internet communications. Those news reports, combined with a USA Today story in May 2006 and the statements of several members of Congress, revealed that the NSA is also receiving wholesale copies of American's telephone and other communications records. All of these surveillance activities are in violation of the privacy safeguards established by Congress and the US Constitution. https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying Salute,
It is a fact that no on knew the extent. The contract can't make him keep things that are illegal secret. Since it requires a search warrant to search someone and they aren't they are in violation. Real Americans understand that.
Snowden exposed corruption. You try your best to cover it up and put blinders on. Your premise is a false.
source It is a fact that no on[e] knew the extent. [Definition of Extent: The degree to which something happens]. NOTE – The date of Snowden’s information release was on June 5, 2013. The massive, illegal dragnet surveillance of the domestic communications and communications records of millions of ordinary Americans since at least 2001 was first reported by the press and discovered by the public in late 2005. source NOTE – The date of the MASSIVE surveillance was first discovered by the public in late 2005. [Definition of Massive: very large in size]. News reports in December 2005 first revealed that the National Security Agency (NSA) has been intercepting Americans’ phone calls and Internet communications. Those news reports, combined with a USA Today story in May 2006 and the statements of several members of Congress, revealed that the NSA is also receiving wholesale copies of American's telephone and other communications records. [Definition of Wholesale: Done on a large scale; extensive]. source Secret government documents, [furnished by Snowden then] published by Guardian and Washington Post in 2013, confirmed – CONFIRMED – that NSA obtains full copies of everything that is carried along major domestic fiber optic cable networks. While I await that, I will continue by stating tjat I simply cannot find information to agree with your statement that “it is a fact that no on[e] knew the extent.” I find in different articles that everyone knew from press reports about the massive, wholesale, illegal dragnet surveillance since late 2005 and all that Snowden did was to confirm that on June 5, 2013. I would say that YOUR real Americans knew of the massive, wholesale, illegal dragnet surveillance – the simply did not know the amount [extent] of the sophisticated being used. Snowden did not reveal the “extent of WHAT” – since that was already known – he revealed the “extent of HOW.” And I am fully prepared to discuss with you the biggest actual revelations from Snowden’s leaks. Salute,
source Real Americans understand that. Snowden signed non-disclosure agreements [contracts] with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and National Security Agency (NSA) agreeing to keep ALL things there and from there SECRET – and yes, it definitely does include anything illegal. You are right In that they can’t MAKE him keep the things that are illegal secret – but they sure as hell can take him to court for violating the non- disclosure agreements [contracts] and seek a judgment against him. Which they are now doing … For on Tuesday, the US Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against Edward Snowden for publishing a book, Permanent Record, in violation of non-disclosure agreements he had with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and National Security Agency (NSA). Salute,
If you were a real American, you would know better than to even say something like this. Another nonsense online apology. You state that your "apology" is "sincere" but you immediately gaslight Stone by insisting you have no idea what you are apologizing for. This is a way to deny Stone any agency in his own judgment of the matter and to try to pretend that he can have no rational basis for his opinion (even while you are "sincerely apologizing"). Why would you apologize to anyone unless you are admitting your own error in the matter? First off, a sincere apology is one that is heartfelt, in which the wrongdoer has understood and confessed that they trampled on someone else's opinions and feelings and that they are resolved never to do that same thing again. Otherwise, apologies are simply empty meaningless words that are only used by psychopaths to manipulate others to do their will or accept their opinions or to persuade someone that their opinion is not a simple matter of right or wrong based on facts but is just one of many possible opinions on a matter that reasonable people might differ on. So spare us all these self-serving, calculating and manipulative "sincere apologies".
They are using a law for prohibit free speech. Since congress shall make no law..... It is unlawful. If that is to complicated for you then I cannot help you. You can believe some lawyer talk to obscure the truth of what the constitution actually says if you like playing games.
I didn't state it very well last night. I knew that at the time.
No, you were clear enough. Gatlin was merely "apologizing" strategically as a way to continue to try to advance his own argument that you are profoundly wrong (but you have every right to be wrong in a way so mysterious that Gatlin cannot possibly even comprehend that you might hold a reasonable fact-based opinion). Gatlin is gaslighting you with his manipulative so-called "apology". If he isn't wrong about the matter, why should he apologize at all? Why should you accept this condescending "apology" if Gatlin continues to say he doesn't understand why he is "apologizing"? This business of "I don't know what I'm sorry for but I sincerely apologize for everything" is never a sincere apology in any way. It is a way to placate an impulsive child or a vindictive hysterical woman or a senile person. Gatlin is humoring you, probing for weakness. That's all his "apology" means. It's the sort of thing a con man makes their living from.
Since congress shall make no law..... You can believe some lawyer talk … Let me see – how shall I properly express my take on this to you … I will start by saying, Yes – they are using a law to prosecute him. But they are not using a law to prohibit his free speech. They are suinging him for breach of contract. Please permit me to give you an example … Okay. Let’s say that you [A K A Stone} want to come to work for me [Gatlin] and before I hire you, I have you sign a written agreement [contact] whereby you formally and legally agree that you will never tell anyone anything about me. But after you sign that agreement [contract] and come to work for me, you learn some things about me that you want to tell everybody about. So you say to me: “I am going to tell everyone things about you.” And then you proceed to do just that. Well, after you do that – I can then sue you for breech of contract and I will not be “ using a law [to] prohibit free speech.” That, my dear friend, is as clear as I can possibly make it. And that is exactly what is happening between the DOJ and Snowden. It has nothing – ABSOLUTELY NOTHING – to do with his freedom of speech. And I close by wishing a happy Sunday morning to you. Salute,
This applies to Snowden. EVEN when the gubmint is clearly illegally VIOLATING the 4A ("unreasonable search & seizure")? To whom is an Oath made? To certain people in a rogue Gubmint? Or on behalf of the US Constitution? If you don't want to go to prison,either don't sign the papers and take the job,or stay silent. So. Break the law. Murder people. It's ok cuz, "JUST FOLLOW ORDERS", eh? Worked well in the Reich.
They apparently haven't much choice in the matter. Unless they openly assassinate him. It's not as though the reptilian global spy agencies are "cleverly" and secretly wanting Snowden's book published -- is that what you're inferring?
I have no idea. It does appear, however, that they don't want classified information released.
I concur. But additionally, they also don't like their entire operation exposed as illegal, immoral, dishonest, and abuse of authority and resources.
Okay. Let’s say that you [A K A Stone} want to come to work for me [Gatlin] and before I hire you, I have you sign a written agreement [contact] whereby you formally and legally agree that you will never tell anyone anything about me. But after you sign that agreement [contract] and come to work for me, you learn some things about me that you want to tell everybody about. Maintaining privacy about personal matters are one thing.... It's when acts and events start adversely affecting others. Would this mythical case of this written/oral contract (or oath) also necessarily exonerate you from extenuating circumstances -- like committing treason, hurting people, and committing other highly illegal, immoral acts? By demanding oaths, isn't one justifying a "Code of Honor" among thieves, rogues and scoundrels? THIS is one reason God has explicitly frowned upon taking oaths to men in Scripture. THEY become authority over God's Law.
Yep. We never would have known all that without this book.
No matter how you cut it they are using a law to silence him. No search warrants shall be issued except describing the exact place to be searched and what they are searching for with the permission a a judge. Well they don't have a warrant to listen to everyone's calls. They were breading the law. Snowden is a brave patriot for exposing the treasonous government.
You are hinting that he said what we already knew. Well if that is the case then you should shut up we already knew what he said.
Well to be honest, most people still did NOT believe Snowden's revelations -- given the MSM and goobermint tag-teaming smear of Snowden as a malcontent and rat who "jeopardized America's national security." THIS BOOK DOCUMENTS an entire operation of what was/is still an illegal, immoral, dishonest polcy and abuse by authority and resources. Q: Do you believe there is good moral standing, legal standing and reason to surveil every single American's movement and life of every America? And if so, by what Constitutional Law or common sense reason?
Yeah they don't want their confidential crimes exposed. Snowden exposed treason and the people responsible should pay the heaviest price.
They were brea[k]ing the law. Snowden is a brave patriot for exposing the treasonous government. Truth.
Where's THAT headline? Let's get those details out there into the public arena. Where are they?
Gatlin is gaslighting you with his manipulative so-called "apology". If he isn't wrong about the matter, why should he apologize at all? Why should you accept this condescending "apology" if Gatlin continues to say he doesn't understand why he is "apologizing"? This business of "I don't know what I'm sorry for but I sincerely apologize for everything" is never a sincere apology in any way. It is a way to placate an impulsive child or a vindictive hysterical woman or a senile person. Gatlin is humoring you, probing for weakness. That's all his "apology" means. It's the sort of thing a con man makes their living from. Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Huh – you say. Well, it turns out that Rand Paul is absolutely correct. Let’s understand how that is … Paul explained how the NSA routinely and deliberately spies on Americans’ communications — listens to their calls and reads their emails — without a judicial warrant of any kind: And so they did this to President Obama. They — 1,227 times eavesdrops on President Obama’s phone calls. Then they mask him. But here is the problem. And General Hayden said this the other day. He said even low-level employees can unmask the caller. That is probably what happened to Flynn. They are not targeting Americans. They are targeting foreigners. But they are doing it purposefully to get to Americans. […] https://theintercept.com/2017/03/13/rand-paul-is-right-nsa-routinely-monitors- americans-communications-without-warrants/ Salute,
How do you know the government didn't apply for,and get a search warrant? You don't. There IS such a thing as classified search warrants.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
No,I am merely stating the obvious. The book and the classified info in it are already in the public domain,and you can't unring a bell.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
EVEN when the gubmint is clearly illegally VIOLATING the 4A ("unreasonable search & seizure")? How the HELL are they doing that? To whom is an Oath made? To certain people in a rogue Gubmint? Or on behalf of the US Constitution? To the Federal Government,and NOBODY MAKES you take the oath or sign the paper. You are free to walk away if you want. So. Break the law. Murder people. It's ok cuz, "JUST FOLLOW ORDERS", eh? Worked well in the Reich. When did you turn into a hysterical drama queen? One word for you,"Midol".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Snowden is NOT a regular citizen whose mail is being read. He is a man that AGREED to not disclose any classified information he would gain access to after ACCEPTING a job that gave him access to classified information that could damage the security of America if it became general knowledge.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
They put a significant number of Germans in America in the same kind of internment camps for the duration of the war. Interestingly, they were kept confined longer than the Japanese were after the war ended in 1945. These were the German American Bund which is a nice name to use instead of American Nazi Party (which was later established as a party in the Fifties). A total of 11,507 people of German ancestry were interned during the war, comprising 36.1% of the total internments under the US Justice Department's Enemy Alien Control Program.[29] By contrast, an estimated 110,000–120,000 Japanese-Americans were forcibly relocated from the West Coast and incarcerated in internment camps run by the US War Department's War Relocation Authority. None of these internees was ever found guilty of a crime or proven to be a threat to national security. Those who were released back to their homes were obliged to sign a secrecy agreement regarding the time they spent in the camp. They were under threat of being returned to Germany if they breached the terms of the agreement. Staff who had worked at the camps also had to agree to secrecy. ...
I had to look that up - very apt description of Gatlin's tactics.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. I had to look that up - very apt description of Gatlin's tactics. Hmmm… Where were we? Please help me correctly understand. I think you said that “gaslighting” is a “very apt description of Gatlin’s tactics.” I am a very old man, and I sometimes don’t get things straight. Did I get that right? Well, if that be so – then I guess that my “Columbo Method” needs more practice. Obviously … Salute,
I had to look that up - very apt description of Gatlin's tactics. Hmmm… Where were we? Please help me correctly understand. I think you said that “gaslighting” is a “very apt description of Gatlin’s tactics.” I am a very old man, and I sometimes don’t get things straight. Did I get that right? Well, if that be so – then I guess I need to practice on my “Columbo Method” needs more practice Obviously … Edit: Since I am so generous this morning – I will let you in on another of my techniques. I always start my effective price negotiations with “ I am an old man on fixed income and …” Depending on the price and profit margin involved, that usually will get me five to ten percent right from the start. Then I move ever so slowly forward with a hesitantly speech pattern using a modified “dumb” Columbo Method and work towards twenty five percent in my favor. Or, as close as I can get. I do often time use the “walk away” knowing full well they need to sell more that I want to buy. I Have now shared with you, two secrets this morning. I will tell you more of my secrets. But it will cost you – dearly. Salute,
Keep your perversions to yourself freakshow.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Depending on the price and profit margin involved, that usually will get me five to ten percent right from the start. I'm a contractor and I hear that line I think hmm. I'll charge them a little more for trying to con me. They pay. lol.
So if the government wants to do something unconstitutional. They just make you sign a paper so if you find out you can't tell anyone. That's a pretty fucked up view of how things should work imo.
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#17. To: Liberator (#11)
They still don't want the book read and info shared, do they?
#18. To: Deckard (#14)
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We are being spied on better and faster today
… “Fixed it” … because of in spite of your American hero, Snowden. If you didn’t already know that and needed to be “provided proof” of such actions – then the only proof provided was that you were dumber that a pile of shit.
You go on to say … because of in spite of – Snowden. Snowden actually helped the agencies. He made them aware of a problem and they scrapped much and they were forced to develop and install new and much better capabilities faster than before and ever planned. because of. in spite of your American hero, Snowden. You seem to love warrantless spying on ALL American citizens.
Nah, I seem to love – well, I actually really do love – pointing out the errors in the rational and your seemingly fact less postings. You are so closed-minded and extremely agenda-driven. Obviously, you are one of those sheep who constantly bleat "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear".
Nope, I am one of those individuals endowed with the ability to use common sense and make good judgments. I can help you to learn those personal traits. Those are the words of tyrants and their submissive sycophants.
No, those are YOUR words posted by YOU.
Gatlin
#19. To: sneakypete (#16)
ANYBODY with 2 IQ points to rub together knows the government "spies" on citizens.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#20. To: sneakypete (#15)
#21. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin, sneakypete, Deckard (#20)
Justice News
Department of Justice
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Download snowden_complaint_final.pdf
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#22. To: Deckard, sneakypete (#19)
ANYBODY with 2 IQ points to rub together knows the government "spies" on citizens.
In early 2006, EFF obtained whistleblower evidence (.pdf) from former AT&T technician Mark Klein showing that AT&T is cooperating with the illegal surveillance. The undisputed documents show that AT&T installed a fiberoptic splitter at its facility at 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco that makes copies of all emails web browsing and other Internet traffic to and from AT&T customers and provides those copies to the NSA. This copying includes both domestic and international Internet activities of AT&T customers. As one expert observed, “this isn’t a wiretap, it’s a country-tap.”
Gatlin
#23. To: Gatlin (#22)
Stop with the bullshit that “No one really knew the extent until Snowden revealed it.”
#24. To: Gatlin (#13)
We are being spied on better and faster today because of your American hero, Snowden.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#23)
Stop with the bullshit that “No one really knew the extent until Snowden revealed it.”
On May 20, 2013, Edward Joseph Snowden [a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employee and subcontractor] released classified documents there were initially published by the Guardian on June 5, 2013. source Real Americans understand that: It is a fact that no on[e] knew the extent.
Well “Hot Diggity Dog” – I would perhaps consider becoming one of YOUR “real Americans” if you will please furnish me with factual evidence of your statement.
Gatlin
#26. To: A K A Stone (#23)
The contract can't make him keep things that are illegal secret. Since it requires a search warrant to search someone and they aren't they are in violation.
Well, there – Good Buddy – will you please help out this poor ole country boy who you may not consider one of YOUR real Americans. I simply cannot understand what you are talking about here. I will therefore respond with a general statement. Since it requires a search warrant to search someone and they aren't they are in violation.
I sincerely apologize to you – but I do not have any idea what you are saying here and what it is in reference to. If you would like to clarify, then I will be more than happy to respond.
Gatlin
#27. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#26)
Well, there – Good Buddy – will you please help out this poor ole country boy who you may not consider one of YOUR real Americans.
I sincerely apologize to you – but I do not have any idea what you are saying here and what it is in reference to.
#28. To: Gatlin (#26)
#29. To: Tooconservative (#27)
#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)
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#31. To: A K A Stone (#28)
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They are using a law for prohibit free speech.
I understand that you are saying the DOJ is using a law to prohibit Snowden’s “freedom of speech.” Although he admittedly is in full violation of the non-disclosure agreement [contract] he signed with the agencies.
Gatlin
#32. To: sneakypete (#15)
When you have a security clearance you sign documents promising you will never reveal any information you gain due to the access your clearance gives you,and agree to the punishments outlined on the papers you sign.
#33. To: sneakypete (#17)
So they are cleverly keeping it out of circulation by allowing Amazon to sell it via mail order?
#34. To: Liberator (#11)
They still don't want the book read and info shared, do they?
#35. To: misterwhite (#34)
...they don't want classified information released.
#36. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, Deckard (#31)
Please permit me to give you an example …
#37. To: Liberator (#35)
But additionally, they also don't like their entire operation exposed as illegal, immoral, dishonest, and abuse of authority and resources.
#38. To: Gatlin (#31)
I understand that you are saying the DOJ is using a law to prohibit Snowden’s “freedom of speech.” Although he admittedly is in full violation of the non-disclosure agreement [contract] he signed with the agencies. Let me see – how shall I properly express my take on this to you …
#39. To: misterwhite (#37)
Yep. We never would have known all that without this book.
#40. To: misterwhite (#37)
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Yep. We never would have known all that without this book.
#41. To: misterwhite (#34)
It does appear, however, that they don't want classified information released.
#42. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#38)
...They don't have a warrant to listen to everyone's calls.
#43. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Snowden exposed treason
#44. To: Tooconservative (#30)
No, you were clear enough. Gatlin was merely "apologizing" strategically as a way to continue to try to advance his own argument that you are profoundly wrong (but you have every right to be wrong in a way so mysterious that Gatlin cannot possibly even comprehend that you might hold a reasonable fact-based opinion).
#45. To: A K A Stone (#38)
Well they don't have a warrant to listen to everyone's calls. They were breading the law.
While hat is true about “everyone’s” calls, your old buddy Rand Paul said that the NSA is empowered to spy on Americans’ communications without a warrant. Rand Paul was asked about President Trump’s accusation that President Obama ordered the NSA to wiretap his calls. The Kentucky senator expressed skepticism about the mechanics of Trump’s specific charge, saying: “I doubt that Trump was a target directly of any kind of eavesdropping.” But he then made a broader and more crucial point about how the U.S. government spies on Americans’ communications — a point that is deliberately obscured and concealed by U.S. government defenders.
The way it works is, the FISA court, through Section 702, wiretaps foreigners and then [NSA] listens to Americans. It is a backdoor search of Americans. And because they have so much data, they can tap — type Donald Trump into their vast resources of people they are tapping overseas, and they get all of his phone calls.
Paul’s explanation is absolutely correct. That the NSA is empowered to spy on Americans’ communications without a warrant — in direct contravention of the core Fourth Amendment guarantee that “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause” — is the dirty little secret of the U.S. Surveillance State.
Gatlin
#46. To: Liberator (#32)
EVEN when the gubmint is clearly illegally VIOLATING the 4A ("unreasonable search & seizure")?
#47. To: Liberator (#33)
It's not as though the reptilian global spy agencies are "cleverly" and secretly wanting Snowden's book published -- is that what you're inferring?
#48. To: Liberator (#32)
#49. To: Liberator (#40)
Q: Do you believe there is good moral standing, legal standing and reason to surveil every single American's movement and life of every America? And if so, by what Constitutional Law or common sense reason?
#50. To: sneakypete (#16)
(Edited)
You don't think the Feebs didn't spy on recent German immigrants during WW-2? Hell,they put Japanese people who were born as US citizens in internment camps for the duration of the war.
Wiki: Internment of German Americans Shortly after the Japanese strike on Pearl Harbor, some 1,260 German nationals were detained and arrested, as the government had been watching them.[26] Of the 254 persons not of Japanese ancestry evicted from coastal areas, the majority were ethnic German.[27] During WWII, German nationals and German Americans in the US were detained and/or evicted from coastal areas on an individual basis. Although the War Department (now the Department of Defense) considered mass expulsion of ethnic Germans and ethnic Italians from the East or West coast areas for reasons of military security, it did not follow through with this. The numbers of people involved would have been overwhelming to manage.[28] WarHistoryOnline: The Internment Camps of Germans in America During WW2 ... After Germany surrendered, many of the internees were released and sent to Germany. Others remained in the camp. It was not until 1948 that the last “enemy alien” was released – three years after the war had ended.
#51. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone (#30)
Gatlin is gaslighting you with his manipulative so-called "apology".
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#52. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#51)
Gatlin is gaslighting you with his manipulative so-called "apology".
Look uo the “Columbo Method” … Never mind, just read this version: The key to the Columbo Method is to remember that all you really know is that the facts are conflicting. You don’t know for sure what else might be going on. So you carefully approach the situation in a humble way pleading lack of knowledge for if you approach the situation with an accusatory tone, assuming that the person is either incorrect or lying, then they most probably will get defensive. They will then check out mentally from the conversation and you will get nowhere. When you politely use the Columbo Method, it is more likely that the person will courteously open up and you get your point across better. All the while leaving the relationship intact.
Uh, let me see now, Deckard.
Gatlin
#53. To: Deckard (#51)
Gatlin is gaslighting you with his manipulative so-called "apology".
Look up the “Columbo Method” … Never mind, just read this version: The key to the Columbo Method is to remember that all you really know is that the facts are conflicting. You don’t know for sure what else might be going on. So you carefully approach the situation in an humble way pleading lack of knowledge for if you approach the situation with an accusatory tone, assuming that the person is either incorrect or lying, then they most probably will get defensive. They will then check out mentally from the conversation and you will get nowhere. When you politely use the Columbo Method, it is more likely that the person will courteously open up and you get your point across better. All the while leaving the relationship intact.
Uh, let me see now, Deckard.
Gatlin
#54. To: Gatlin (#53)
I will tell you more of my secrets.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#55. To: Gatlin (#53)
“ I am an old man on fixed income and …”
#56. To: sneakypete (#49)
Snowden is NOT a regular citizen whose mail is being read. He is a man that AGREED to not disclose any classified information he would gain access to after ACCEPTING a job that gave him access to classified information that could damage the security of America if it became general knowledge.
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