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Title: The CIA’s Influence Over the Media: Use of the Conspiracy Theorist Slur
Source: 911Truth.Org
URL Source: https://911truth.org/conspiracy-theorist-slur-cia-propaganda/
Published: Sep 4, 2019
Author: Kevin Ryan
Post Date: 2019-09-14 13:55:02 by Liberator
Keywords: CT, Gatekeeper, Tools
Views: 10068
Comments: 110

The CIA’s Influence Over the Media: Use of the Conspiracy Theorist Slur

“Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th.”—George W. Bush, November 10, 2001

In April of 1967, a CIA official sent a memorandum dispatch to agency chiefs and stations. This memo described a strategy for discrediting critics of the Warren Report, the official account for the assassination of President Kennedy released in 1964. At the time of the memo, polls showed that 46% of Americans did not think that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, in contradiction to the official finding.

To counter such criticisms, the memo proposed labeling critics as “conspiracy theorists” and proposed that the CIA’s “propaganda assets” in media begin to use the slur and other, related techniques to marginalize critics.

Classified as Secret but finally released in 1998, the memo stated, “Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material for countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit circulation of such claims.”

The memo instructed media assets to discredit those questioning government reports by saying the critics should be depicted as “wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, hasty or inaccurate in their research, or infatuated with their own theories.”

Conspiracy Theorist: One Who Questions the Statements of Known LiarsPosted by Donna Cleveland on Flickr

The approach laid out by the memo was adopted by many in the American media. That’s not a surprise given that Operation Mockingbird, a domestic propaganda campaign aimed at promoting the views of the CIA within the media, was in full swing at the time. And despite official claims that the CIA’s influence of American media was halted in 1976, after the Church Committee findings, the continued use of the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” indicates that the practice has continued.

A few years ago, I tested this by checking how many times the phrase “conspiracy theory” had appeared in the Washington Post and the New York Times in the 45 years before and after the CIA memo.

Before the memo was issued, “conspiracy theory” was a phrase used 50 times, or about once per year, in the Times or the Post. In the 45 years after the CIA memo, these newspapers used the term 2,630 times, or about once per week.

Before the CIA memo came out, the Washington Post and New York Times had never used the phrase “conspiracy theorist.” After the CIA memo came out, they have used the phrase “conspiracy theorist” 1,118 times.

The continued use of terms such as “conspiracy theorist” suggests that the CIA still controls the mainstream media. With regard to the crimes of 9/11, The New York Times has led the way in terms of support for official propaganda. Moreover, many “alternative” media sources use these slurs as frequently, or more, than mainstream media do.

An example was in August 2011, when I was a guest on National Public Radio’s ‘On Point” talk show to discuss 9/11 skepticism. Interestingly, I was the only 9/11 skeptic invited to appear on this show about 9/11 skeptics. The other two guests were Jim Meigs from Popular Mechanics and dubious “truther expert” Jonathan Kay. During the show, I answered questions from the host for about 5 minutes, until it became clear that my skepticism of 9/11 sounded rational. After I was dismissed—for the remaining 42 minutes of the show—Meigs, Kay, and the substitute host rambled on about the evils of conspiracy theories, using some form of the phrase conspiracy theory a total of 85 times. That’s more than once every 30 seconds.

The use of “conspiracy theory” to deter citizens from investigating historic events is paradoxical, to be sure. It suggests that those who commit criminal conspiracies can only be relatively powerless people who happen to live on the most strategically important lands, (and conspiracies among rich, powerful people are impossible or absurd.) It’s just that kind of doublethink mindset that has led us to where we are today as a nation.

Of course, 9/11 was a conspiracy. The only question is was it a conspiracy of people who could not possibly pull it off and who would only suffer as a result.... OR ... Was it a conspiracy of the people who benefited and had the power to accomplish it? The first option presents many problems. Common sense suggests the latter.

These days, it seems that you can tell who is working for the CIA simply by the way they use “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” in attempts to belittle others. An example might be when a lawyer for gold mining companies was presented by the corporate media as a public servant/truth teller based on stolen documents that were never shared with the public. That lawyer and his colleagues at The Intercept use the conspiracy theorist slur as much as any other media source, and often when they are questioned about their dubious rise to fame.

In any case, our entire legal system is based on the idea of conspiracy....

...Yet despite this fact we have been conditioned by the government and the media to blindly accept official reports and to treat anyone questioning those reports as conspiracy theorists; THAT IS, YOU ARE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT'S CONSPIRACY THEORY.

This technique is easy to see. Next time you read an article that uses these slurs, look more closely at the author (or poster/gatekeeper/troll) and where he or she is trying to lead you.

SOURCE: Published at Digwithin by Kevin Ryan on 7/31/2019


Poster Comment:

Oh, the rich RICH irony. This same Alinsky "Rules For Radicals" technique that is used by Spooks, Gubmint & G00gle against "CT!!" to shut down legit discussion and truth without question WHILE discrediting their opponent:

"Racist!!", "Anti-semite!!", "H0mophobe!!", "Xenophobe!!"(blank]tard!!), "Truther!!" etc!).

This obvious semantic parlor-trick by a panicky unprincipled elite and its army of uninformed/ignorant gatekeepers are no longer able to dam-up 911 lies OR its a plethora of other ongoing accepted Big Lies.

Perhaps it's time to re-examine and re-assess what and whose side you support....and Big Picture Agenda. (1 image)

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#71. To: Liberator, Dead Culture Watch, misterwhite (#70)

Moreover, as quickly as many new (revealing) content hits youtube on a number of issues, it's taken down. Additionally, G00gle/Alphabet-Controlled algorithms are controlled and manipulated to bury such material as they deem "dangerous"...yeah, like "CTs" -- the thrust of this thread to begin with.

There's an interesting comment HERE that might interest you.

Scroll down to the comment made by Bill Bray, Former (Retired) Research Scientist at Central Intelligence Agency concerning Google algorithms.

If you really want to take the Dr. Bill acid test, go into Google AdWords. That is where they sell key words to the highest bidder so that their site floats to the top (no it is not ‘free information highway,’ that’s how Google became a multi-billion organization). Watch the key words that are floating to the top. Then, look at tomorrow morning’s headlines in Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc. You will find that magically the minds of Americans predicted the next day’s news.

This of course is not the case. The multi-trillion dollar surveillance of Americans that they told you is to ‘protect you from terrorists,’ and so on is not what they are doing. All cell phone calls (the verbal content, referred to as meta-data), emails, text, are monitored. Since the Patriot Act portion that allowed this to expire, they used the clause ‘on American soil,’ literally and monitor everything via the communications satellites. There are also an estimated 20,000 drones OVER (BUT NOT ON) US soil, monitoring verbal communications that are not electronic. This can be done via unidirectional microphone, or by bouncing a laser off your window. That includes car window.

The Welcome to FBI.gov web site collects information, but is easier to access at Mass Shootings. In 2016 there were 384 mass shootings, almost 100 of which were listed as ‘terrorist motivated.’ So, the multi-trillion dollar surveillance network is not to ‘protect you.’

The system is designed to gather information on the ‘collective thinking,’ like the Borg, of the American public, and then design tomorrow’s news and media, literally overnight, to cattle herd you into a nice neat profile of behavior and commerce.

Again, take the acid test. Look at what you have access to, AdWords, and then watch tomorrow’s headlines magically appear. At first you might think, well that’s what people are interested in so that’s what’s in the news. Then, as you look at the flow of headlines regarding international campaigns, what the President said yesterday, what the senators and congressmen are doing or being accused of, it starts to get a bit freaky. Do this for several days, and you will see.

(More at the link)

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-19   9:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Deckard (#67)

It amazes me that those who roundly criticize the MSM for lying …

Perhaps you will no longer be AMAZED after you read this – only one of many – article: Faith No More: America's Trust in Mainstream Media Hits Rock Bottom.

People have reason and should roundly criticize the MSM – and they are doing that since polls show: 77 percent say major news outlets report 'fake news'

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-19   9:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Gatlin, Liberator (#72)

People have reason and should roundly criticize the MSM – and they are doing that since polls show: 77 percent say major news outlets report 'fake news'

Yet, people like you believe their lies about the 9/11 attacks.

Liberator nailed it - cognitive dissonance.

“Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.”
- Frantz Fanon

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-19   9:47:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Deckard (#71)

There's an interesting comment HERE that might interest you.

No, there isn't.

You posted a link that led to an empty server page (a 404), here at LF.

I kinda hate to admit that I do occasionally click one of your links. Too gratifying for you.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-19   9:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Liberator (#66)

"Fire"?? How can you be sure it wasn't purposely set as cover for...THE CONTROLLED DEMO??

I'm not looking for questions. Anyone can ask questions. Questions are not proof that something else happened.

What makes you think a fire was intentionally started in WTC 7 and not in any of the other buildings surrounding WTC 1 and WTC 2? Where's the evidence of your conspiracy theory?

Similarly, where's your evidence of a CONTROLLED DEMO? You got ANY proof that explosives were used?

No. All you have are questions.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   9:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Tooconservative (#74)

You posted a link that led to an empty server page (a 404), here at LF.

Try this:

Did CIA Director William Casey really say, "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"?

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-19   9:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Deckard, Dead Culture Watch, misterwhite (#71)

Outstanding info and reveal.

Thanks...

Watch the key words that are floating to the top. Then, look at tomorrow morning’s headlines in Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc. You will find that magically the minds of Americans predicted the next day’s news.

Part of their simple programming. It's too easy for them. We are sheep led to the slaughter.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   10:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Liberator (#66)

The evidence from both perspectives of argument of exactly what hit the Pentagram is circumstantial.

Where's the evidence from your perspective of argument that something other than a 757 hit the Pentagon? You got none.

"Your side cannot possibly cite any "evidence" that a 757 was actually what hit this building"

You mean other than the flight data recorder, the cockpit voice recorder, 757 landing gear, and personal effects from those on the plane?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   10:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Deckard, Gatlin, TooConservative, dead Culture Watch, misterwhite (#73)

“Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.”

- Frantz Fanon

Bears repeating.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   10:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Deckard, Dead Culture Watch, misterwhite (#71)

There's an interesting comment HERE that might interest you.

No, there isn't.

You posted a link that led to an empty server page (a 404), here at LF.

Looking closer, you included a link to the intended page but failed to include a title for the link so it showed nothing at all. Then you inserted a blank link that resolves to the /URL page here at LF. IOW, an empty 404 page.

Here is your intended link:

Quora: Did CIA Director William Casey really say, "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"?

I kinda hate to admit that I do occasionally click one of your links. Too gratifying for you to know that I read your posts, let alone inspect your HTML closely enough to detect your posting methodology. I hate the idea that you're sitting there, getting all puffed up with gratification that one of your posts was closely inspected.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-19   10:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Tooconservative (#80)

You posted a link that led to an empty server page (a 404), here at LF.

Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-19   10:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Liberator (#79)

When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief ...

Where's that evidence? You've presented none.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   10:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: misterwhite (#75) (Edited)

What makes you think a fire was intentionally started in WTC 7 and not in any of the other buildings surrounding WTC 1 and WTC 2? Where's the evidence of your conspiracy theory?

First of all, your original question was with respect to "Building 7."

I answered you.

I'll also repeat THIS:

A building (nevermind THREE) does NOT fall into its footprint UNLESS it has been carefully and methodically rigged to do so. That also takes a lot more time than a few hours.

"Evidence"? That would be Building 7 and the admission that IT was pulled; WTC 1 and 2 FELL IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER.

Coincidence?

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   10:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: misterwhite (#82)

Me: "When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief ..."

You: "Where's that evidence? You've presented none."

Checkmate.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   10:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: misterwhite (#78)

Where's the evidence from your perspective of argument that something other than a 757 hit the Pentagon? You got none.

I'll repeat this point; ALL the evidence from both sides of the argument are CIRCUMSTANTIAL.

The side that supports a 757 hitting the Pentagram is weak. Especially given ALL video is either confiscated OR buried. There is not a single frame or photo OR video on the planet that shows a plane hitting the pentagram. Can you explain why that is?

Can you explain why the hole that was created was a MUCH smaller width than the fuselage of that supposed pane?

Can you explain the coincidence that the day before 911, Rumsfeld revealed that $2 tril was "missing"?

Can you explain why the GAO that made that determination was the part of the Pentagram that was hit?

Thanks.

...the flight data recorder, the cockpit voice recorder, 757 landing gear, and personal effects from those on the plane?

1) The flight data recorder. Did YOU hear the contents?
2) The cockpit recorder. (see above)
3) 757 landing gear. (but no wings, fusilage, etc.)
4) personal effects from those on the plane (you mean the strewn debris?)

THAT'S the extent of your "evidence"?? A Hollywood set of obvious props and crime scene that's been tampered with and restricted from scrutiny??

Nope.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   10:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Liberator (#83)

First of all, your original question was with respect to "Building 7."

Right. The building that was coincidentally hit by debris from WTC 1, starting the fires.

You're saying that people knew ahead of time that debris would hit WTC 7, so they planted explosives in that building (and no other buildings) and started a fire when WTC 1 fell. Then, while everyone in the world was watching and recording, they triggered explosives to bring down an empty building that was going to collapse anyways.

That's your conspiracy theory and and and you have zero proof.

"A building (nevermind THREE) does NOT fall into its footprint UNLESS it has been carefully and methodically rigged to do so."

These did. Where's your proof that explosives were used?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   10:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Liberator (#84)

Checkmate.

Bullshit. You have no contrary evidence.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   10:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Liberator (#85)

Can you explain why the hole that was created was a MUCH smaller width than the fuselage of that supposed pane?

Because the hole was created by the landing gear, not the fuselage.

"Can you e yo you e you e you explain the coincidence that the day before 911, Rumsfeld revealed that $2 tril was "missing"?"

He didn't say it was missing. He said, "According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." He meant that the DoD systems were so out of date and not compatible with each other that they can't track (by computer) transactions across departments.

Your turn. If a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, what did? And what makes you say that?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   10:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: misterwhite, Liberator (#86)

"A building (nevermind THREE) does NOT fall into its footprint UNLESS it has been carefully and methodically rigged to do so."

The Official Story of the Collapse of WTC Building 7 Lies in Ruins

A research team at the University of Alaska’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, led by Dr. Leroy Hulsey, Dr. Zhili Quan, and Professor Feng Xiao, Department of Civil Engineering, Nanjing University of Science and Technology, released on September 3, 2019, for public comment their findings from a four-year study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11, 2001. This is the first scientific investigation of the collapse of the building. Here is the conclusion:

“The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.”

Notice three things: (1) it has taken 18 years to get a real investigation of the destruction of a building blamed on Muslim terrorists, (2) the only way “near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building” can occur is through controlled demolition, and (3) this remarkable finding is not reported in the presstitute media.

In other words, the study is assigned to the Memory Hole. This is the way The Matrix operates. This is why you need this website. The only purpose of print and TV news is to program you so that you insouciantly go along with the agendas of those who rule you. Those who sit in front of TV news, listen to NPR, or read newspapers are programmed to be mindless automatons.

*****

This was a 4-Year study.

The NIST investigation was what, a couple of days at best?

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-19   10:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: misterwhite (#86)

The building [7] that was coincidentally hit by debris from WTC 1, starting the fires.

QUITE the coincidence.

You're saying that people knew ahead of time that debris would hit WTC 7, so they planted explosives in that building (and no other buildings) and started a fire when WTC 1 fell. Then, while everyone in the world was watching and recording, they triggered explosives to bring down an empty building that was going to collapse anyways.

Your first assumption is dismissed for insufficient evidence.

HERE is what others have connected the dots and figured out (and I agree):

ALL THREE were rigged with demo explosives in advance.

This hasn't always been my position, but the evidence is convincing.

If you want the details, do you own research.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   10:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: misterwhite (#88)

the hole was created by the landing gear, not the fuselage.

HUH?? Dismissed for HIGHLY insufficient evidence.

He didn't say it was missing. He said, "According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions."

SAME THING.

Let's not play semantic games. Rumsfeld was crystal clear.

Your turn. If a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, what did? And what makes you say that?

You have still not provided any evidence that any "plane" hit the Pentagram. NONE.

My explanation is already submitted.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   10:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Deckard (#89)

The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building ...

… caused by … what? Faulty construction? Rust? Rats?

They studied this for four years. So what caused the "global failure involving the near- simultaneous failure of every column in the building" and where's their proof?

Nothing.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   10:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Liberator (#91)

You have still not provided any evidence that any "plane" hit the Pentagram. NONE.

So? I'm merely asking you what DID hit the Pentagon?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   10:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#89)

Notice three things:

(1) it has taken 18 years to get a real investigation of the destruction of a building blamed on Muslim terrorists,

(2) the only way “near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building” can occur is through controlled demolition, and

(3) this remarkable finding is not reported in the presstitute media.

Staggering. AND true.

In other words, the study is assigned to the Memory Hole. This is the way The Matrix operates...

The only purpose of print and TV news is to program you so that you insouciantly go along with the agendas of those who rule you. Those who sit in front of TV news, listen to NPR, or read newspapers are programmed to be mindless automatons.

+2,300,000,000,000

;-)

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   10:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: misterwhite (#93)

I'm merely asking you what DID hit the Pentagon?

We have no evidence exactly what it was; We can only speculate.

But we do know what it was NOT. (a problem that can easily be sorted out by the release of countless video under lock & key.)

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   10:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Liberator (#90)

ALL THREE were rigged with demo explosives in advance.

But how did they know debris was going to hit WTC 7?

Let's say WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed and nothing hit WTC 7. How would you explain the collapse of WTC 7? Or are you saying the bad guys would go in and remove thousands of pounds of explosives?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   11:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Deckard (#89)

This was a 4-Year study.

The NIST investigation was what, a couple of days at best?

Unbelievable, ain't it?

Maybe it would be embraced by Congress, MSM and the public if that same little 13 year old girl who just presented her "Global Warming" case presented THIS study.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   11:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Liberator (#95)

We have no evidence exactly what it was

But you know for sure it was NOT a 757 because shut up.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   11:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: misterwhite (#96) (Edited)

How did they know debris was going to hit WTC 7?

Debris hit everything within blocks.

As to your other questions, they have already been addressed; There's no need to keep chasing our tail here. This is obviously a very dark chapter of history.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   11:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Liberator, misterwhite (#95) (Edited)

I'm merely asking you what DID hit the Pentagon?

We have no evidence exactly what it was; We can only speculate.

But we do know what it was NOT. (a problem that can easily be sorted out by the release of countless video under lock & key.)

One reason for skepticism about the Pentagon plane is that the pilot, Hani Hanjour barely passed flight school. He was completely incompetent.

Al Qaeda’s Top Gun

In early 2001, he started training on a Boeing 737 simulator at Pan Am International Flight Academy in Mesa. An instructor there found his work well below standard and discouraged him from continuing.

Hani Hanjour was in reality such a horrible pilot that he had trouble handling a light single-engine aircraft and even just one month before the attacks was rejected at two different schools because he was judged too incompetent to rent a plane and fly solo.

Yet - a poor pilot was able to maneuver the plane in a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes?

A pilot with a major carrier for over 30 years told CNN that “the hijackers must have been extremely knowledgeable and capable aviators”.[8] An air traffic controller from Dulles International Airport told ABC News, “The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane. You don’t fly a 757 in that manner. It’s unsafe.”[9]

CBS News suggested that according to its sources, Flight 77, “flying at more than 400 mph, was too fast and too high when it neared the Pentagon at 9:35. The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn. Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it’s clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed. The jetliner disappeared from radar at 9:37 and less than a minute later it clipped the tops of street lights and plowed into the Pentagon at 460 mph.”[10]

The Washington Post similarly noted that the plane “was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm”. Hanjour was so skilled, in fact, that “just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot” – later identified as Hanjour – “executed a pivot so tight it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver.”[11] The Post reported in another article that “After the attacks … aviation experts concluded that the final maneuvers of American Airlines Flight 77 – a tight turn followed by a steep, accurate descent into the Pentagon – was the work of ‘a great talent … virtually a textbook turn and landing,’”.[12]

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-19   11:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Deckard (#100)

Hani Hanjour was in reality such a horrible pilot that he had trouble handling a light single-engine aircraft...

Yet - a poor pilot was able to maneuver the plane in a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes?

No way. /Common sense.

This is only one of countless laughable BS stories sold to the public in support of this dastardly hoax.

Liberator  posted on  2019-09-19   11:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: misterwhite, Liberator (#89)

“The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.”

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Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-19   11:33:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Deckard (#100)

One reason for skepticism about the Pentagon plane is that the pilot, Hani Hanjour barely passed flight school. He was completely incompetent.

Nope. Flew that puppy right into the Pentagon.

Yet - a poor pilot was able to maneuver the plane in a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes?

Yep. Right there on the Flight Data Recorder.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   12:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Deckard (#89)

A 126-page report saying what happened couldn't have happened. Well, it did. And absent any other explanation, I'm going with that.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-19   13:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Deckard (#73)

People have reason and should roundly criticize the MSM – and they are doing that since polls show: 77 percent say major news outlets report 'fake news'

Yet, people like you believe their lies about the 9/11 attacks.

The poll was not about the 9/11 attacks. Nice try at a diversion. Nothing CHANGES here. The polls STILL show people have reason and should roundly criticize the MSM – and they are doing that since polls show: 77 percent say major news outlets report 'fake news'.

I have been given no reason not to believe the official report by the 9/11 Commission.

And I have been given no sufficiently valid reasons to believe the fanatical adherents of the 9/11 Truth movement who are conspiracy theorists that dispute the official report by the 9/11 Commission.

Until such time it can be factually proven that the official report by the 9/11 Commission is wrong and it is changed, I have no choice but to except those conclusions as the final authority.

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-19   13:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Gatlin, Liberator (#105)

The polls STILL show people have reason and should roundly criticize the MSM – and they are doing that since polls show: 77 percent say major news outlets report 'fake news'.

That was my point simpleton. You for example know that the MSM lies, yet when it comes to 9/11, you believe the official government narrative that they parrot.

I have been given no reason not to believe the official report by the 9/11 Commission.

As it has been pointed out before, even some of the commissioners believe the official 9/11 report was based on lies.

The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening.

It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors.

It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-19   19:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Deckard (#71)

No need to convince me Google is evil. I firmly believe it was given its boost to prominence by the CIA, which, I also view as evil.

Look, I agree with most you you two on most things. When you’re wrong about something, I’ll say so.

I am not in some sort of pact of intersectionality with any of this. I can believe the CIA is the worlds premier drug running organization, and that Rothschild connected banks are behind pretty much every war that’s happened for a few hundred years, and a myriad of other things. Doesn’t mean I need to believe Elvis is still alive because others who believe the same things about the CIA etc do too.

I really wish you guys would look hard at what I’ve posted about the Masons. Theyre just LARPing. For shits and giggles.....imagine what you would be discussing had they played dungeons and dragons.....8-)

'What kind of man gives cigarettes to trees?'

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2019-09-19   22:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Deckard (#106)

Your conspiracy theories are indeed cause for lighthearted laughter.

Thank you for sharing ...

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-20   0:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Gatlin (#108)

Your conspiracy theories are indeed cause for lighthearted laughter.

Of course you never looked at the links which provide evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report was a cover up - the 21st century version of the Warren Report.

Oh wait - you're one of those kooks who believe, even after mountains of evidence proving otherwise, that Oswald acted alone and JFK was killed by a magic bullet.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-20   5:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Deckard (#109) (Edited)

Of course you never looked at the links which provide evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report was a cover up -
I am not into conspiracy theories.
Conspiracy theories are just for “dummies.”
You don’t believe me?
“Its true. It’s on the Internet.”
Conspiracy Theories and Secret Societies For Dummies

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-20   18:11:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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