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Title: Don’t look now, but there’s more border wall news
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URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-sh ... k-now-theres-border-wall-news/
Published: Sep 12, 2019
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2019-09-12 12:27:53 by Tooconservative
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Comments: 30
Except that doesn’t seem to be the case. In fact, construction is gearing up in multiple locations already. More on this from the Associated Press. This 5-mile (8-kilometer) section of fencing is where President Donald Trump’s most salient campaign promise — to build a wall along the entire southern border — is taking shape. The president and his administration said this week that they plan on building between 450 and 500 miles (724 and 806 kilometers) of fencing along the nearly 2,000-mile (3,218-kilometer) border by the end of 2020, an ambitious undertaking funded by billions of defense dollars that had been earmarked for things like military base schools, target ranges and maintenance facilities. I agree with the AP report saying that 450 to 500 miles of the border wall by next year is “ambitious” (to say the least), but it’s not impossible. And as long as the new construction is focused on the areas where the most illegal traffic is crossing the border, it will make a significant difference. (We’re already seeing measurable decreases in crossings thanks to help from Mexico, but we still need a significant barrier to really drive those numbers down.) The trick that’s being used by Axios, the Washington Post, and others to claim that there’s no “new wall” being built is that they add on a caveat in the fine print. They specify “where no previous barrier existed before.” But that’s a distinction without any real meaning. Take the stretch of bollard barrier going up in Yuma for example. Yes, there was technically a “barrier” there before, but it was a barrier to stop vehicles from driving over You can walk right through there with little more than a hop. A child could do it. What it’s being replaced with is a series of 30-foot tall steel bollards. And it’s not just a wall, by the way. As the Washington Examiner reported earlier this week, it’s actually a “border system.” It includes improved lighting and electronic surveillance to detect attempted crossings, allowing law enforcement to be quickly dispatched to the scene. Yes, it’s taken a while to pull this all together and the Democrats’ stonewalling on funding certainly didn’t help, but it looks like we’re finally making progress. What continues to amaze me is the desperation among Democrats and their media allies to prevent this from happening. Either you believe that we have immigration laws for a reason or you don’t. And if they really don’t support open borders (as many of them try to claim), why would you object to a wall, fence or barrier that helps control the flow of people? The answer? Because it was the Bad Orange Man’s idea. That’s why. Poster Comment: That darned Trump. The ignoramus actually believes he should fulfill his campaign promises instead of just lying about it like the real pols do, selling people a policy and then stabbing them in the back once the election is over.
I’m sure you’ve seen the gloating headlines about border wall construction in the media from liberal outlets recently. A few days ago, Axios crowed that “not a single mile has been built where no barrier existed before.” Last week the WaPo declared that “Trump’s border wall is now a monument to his failure.” So I guess that about wraps it up, eh? No wall for you, Mr. President. South of Yuma, Arizona, the tall brown bollards rising against a cloudless desert sky will replace much shorter barriers that are meant to keep out cars, but not people.
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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)
Well, no, it has very real meaning. Trump was allowed (by Congress) to build a wall wherever any type of wall/wire fence/barrier previously existed. Congress, however, opposed any construction of a wall where nothing existed before. Even though Trump has found some money, I'm not convinced Congress will allow him to build wherever he wants. Maybe I'm wrong.
Well, maybe we're arguing semantics and visuals. If you replace a light fence meant only to stop vehicles but that any toddler could hop across unassisted with a new steel 30' tall bollard fence, some people would consider that a new fence. For practical purposes at stopping easy crossings by gangs of migrants under coyote guides, the new fence is a world of difference from the old "fence" located in the same place. It's a much more serious class of fence than the old one. Trump is starting to deliver some real election year wins. They hate him all the more because he does try to deliver what he campaigned on. China made a token gesture to pull back 16 of its brand-new tariffs just prior to negotiations starting in D.C. China can't outwait Trump, something people believed. Because the tariffs are high enough to hurt business, the Chinese are reimbursing their merchants for Trump's tariffs. But multinational companies are seeing how much more profitable and stable it would be to relocate their factories to other countries in cheap-labor countries like Vietnam. It is the relocation of the major industrial supply chains to follow these businesses that have convinced the Chinese that they must make a deal with Trump because they will lose too much supply chain dominance if they try to outwait him by hoping for his defeat and leaving office in January 2021. The House Dems can't even describe to the press on any day whether they are or are not impeaching Trump, let alone be able to say what they are (or are not) impeaching him for on a given day. Trump has largely destroyed the value of the Ninth Circuit to the Left. They will never forgive him for that. And now the Supremes have made it clear there will be no more such hijinks at the 9th, especially during election season when the judicial subtext looks so blatantly political. That judge was a former municipal judge, not that experienced, when 0bama put him on the 9th. He was promoted for his willingness to engage in naked judicial activism. There's another 0bama community-organizer type judge in Hawaii. But their hour has come. The Supremes clipped their wings, 7-2. And Trump has had more appeals court appointees confirmed in 3.5 years as other presidents get in two terms. McConnell is going to confirm a judge in every single vacancy; I think he's encouraging the old Nixon and Reagan judges to retire now. McConnell is really making his mark on history with the courts. Trump is going to have a definable record to bring to the 2020 race. I like seeing the details of what he's doing, smashing through every barrier they try to throw in front of him. And yet, Donald Trump is not a man of any particular political talents. It's just appalling, really, that Trump, a political amateur, has managed to enact so much of the agenda the GOP has had as its platform for decades and Trump has done it while weathering regular backstabbing from his own party, unrelenting opposition of his every action by Dems, and a completely unified Dem/libmedia media complex railing against him 24/7. And look at all those GOP losers who promised us all that stuff for decades but never would be caught dead enacting any of it. Instead, they often colluded with the Dems on saving the judicial filibuster (so Dems could use it to thwart Bush) and even conspired to enact multiple Shamnesties, like Rubio or McStain did to name just two of many bullshitter GOP leaders who clearly betrayed everything they had campaigned on. 0bamaCare would have been defunded if McStain didn't feel the need to thwart Trump as a final act of hatred for him on McStain's journey to Arlington. The Stain disgraced himself in his final actions as a senator, a pettiness and vindictiveness so many of us know were far more integral to him than to Trump. Some of these GOP pols hate Trump the most because he demonstrates that a pol should keep his campaign promises and that it isn't that hard to get things done if you just keep firing or discrediting the people who think they are entitled to make executive agency policy decisions, not some mere elected president. And especially not some low character they despise like that Trump person.
Technically it's an upgrade, and the Democrats in Congress have saved face by calling it that.
Okay, then let's call it an upgrade in the spirit of sincere bipartisanship and joining hands in comity with our partisan Dem fellow-citizens. Or are we now required to call them our "continental co-residents" or something less "White" than some suspicious term like "citizen"? Yep, citizen is another hopelessly racist word, like most every word in our vocabularies. I should report myself to Twitter and demand that they ban me for Bad Thoughts.
They called it an upgrade because they promised their constituents that they would not allow Trump to build any "new" wall.
What you said.
I like Trump's chances in 2020. I keep wondering what little October Surprise™ the Dems are cooking up to try to defeat him. They didn't take him seriously in 2016 so they didn't bother to manufacture one in 2016. Trump won't get off that easy in 2020.
They can do their October Surprise. That cannot knock down the economy, and people vote their pocketbooks.
The DemonRats had the fake Russian dossier and all those #Metoo "Trump touched me" women coming forward. Which after the election they seemed to go back under the rocks. They will be back again next September. Also the "grab them by the..." tape which everyone thought was going to make for a Clinton landslide. Frankly, with the fake dossier and Russia hoax, Stormy Daniels non story other than her crooked sleezy lawyer, and the general "this week's fake scandal" on MSNBC and CNN, anything they throw at him will be suspect by most Americans who dod not suffer from TDS. Trump has done a great job discrediting the Lib media. The problem is if they actually get something that is real, no one will believe them. I know I won't.
They called it an upgrade because they promised their constituents that they would not allow Trump to build any "new" wall. They can call it what they want. But by the Presidential debates next year, upgrade and new wall will be up. Lots of new wall will be up. Promise kept. The border bots will be happy, those who were concerned with the SCOTUS and federal courts will be happy (Trump just had another 6 justices appointed today for a total of 150 for the federal benches). And as Vic says, if the DemonCrats don't figure out a way to trash the economy, Trump will have that going for him. I just gassed up the car two days ago. Regular unleaded $2.05 a gallon here in Central Texas. Average $2.15 a gallon for the area. I joked while on line with my coffee in the convenience store with the manager I said "Making gas prices great again!" (in my best Trump imitation---using my hands Yugely as well) An elderly veteran in front of me turned around and said "Amen." Then started rattling off how great Trump was and that he does what he says. Only stupid ignorant liberals are listening to their own press. No one is buying their crap and Trump has made it known the media cannot be trusted.
I've considered that. Also, that Trump is immunized to a large extent against many accusations because the same accusers have made big charges and then turned up with no proof for their scandalous lies. Even so, I think they're preparing some kind of October surprise. It's been a few election cycles since they tried it so they think we've gone back to sleep or that they can at least fool some of the younger voters with such a tactic.
Trump is such a rube that he thinks he should keep campaign promises. No professional Republican can take that seriously. We all suffer a bit from the "I don't know anyone who..." syndrome. All these libs who claim they don't know anyone who supports Trump are telling the truth. And all the conservatives who said they didn't know anyone who supported 0dinga or Hitlery were also truthful. We all tend to stay in our own little circles so libs know libs and conservatives know conservatives. And people who are in the minority in their area/state/region tend to keep their mouths shut because everyone is such a nutjob about politics, largely because the Dems are so radical over the last 15 years. It has opened a huge gulf between the two parties. Prior to that, you could use a word like "bipartisan" and think it was a real thing. Those days are long gone. Hyperpartisanship is the flavor of the day now.
I'll be happy if Trump can replace the cancerous Ginsberg. The border and illegals issue is the one issue where those educated Republican suburban women agree with Trump's position pretty strongly. They didn't vote for him last time because he hadn't managed to grab them by the ballot just yet. We'll see if they reward him with some votes after he fulfills their main area of concern. He doesn't want to fix it all too soon though; then they'd have no reason to vote for him at all.
I can see that, but I think he really wants to put up over 1,000 miles of new wall. That will take some time. I saw estimates where by this time next year the net new wall would be anywhere from 260-400 miles. But you never know. Trump could have just tweeted that out at 3am with a hot cup of "covfefe."
As the article indicates, they are just finally really geared up with the land ready and the supply chain of bollards in production. And the courts seem to have finally gotten out of the way. Yeah, it could go up very fast and 400-500 miles is not unthinkable. And, really, why is that even surprising? Such a task is well within the national technical means.
Actually, they can. Powell of the Fed Reserve has already made a couple of moves..or should I say warnings. Nothing they do would surprise me. The whole game is to gut the USA. They'll take it down if they possibly can. Never underestimate an enemy. The #DeepState is real and they won't go down without a fight. *Note what the bankers are doing to 2A and Christians. Like Big Tech, they financially deplatform anyone they disagree with.
Trump does what he says, and the economy is better. The Democrats can't get past that, no matter how hard they try. Also, China is coming to terms, and Trump is winning in court, and illegals are being stopped IN MEXICO. it's working. People want more of it. To get re-elected, Trump does not need to address health care, but in his second term he does, because there's no Trump to replace Trump, and health care will have become THE issue by then. Hopefully Trump can get out in front of the issue and fix it.
Which is why I have a broader stance, because I am in the middle of conservatives and liberals all the time, and I agree with each on some things. Hyperpartisanship IS the flavor, and in both directions it annoys folks like me. The Independents decide all of the elections. Time was, the politicians on both sides understood that, and campaigned towards us - and smart ones (like Trump and Biden - and Pelosi, actually, with her "STOP TALKING IMPEACHMENT!" to her own Caucus. The ones on both sides who can't do math, or who mistakenly think that Jesus, or The Goddess, is on THEIR side and they don't need no steenkin' VOTES...well, they go down to defeat time after time after time. But they are TRUE BELIEVERS, so they never learn a goddamned thing. I'm generally happy with US politics, grosso modo, because things pretty much come out about where I think they should (and I can generally live with the compromise, because I understand the necessity of compromise. Sure, if I were King, I would not compromise on anything I cared about, and would ram everything home and back it up by force. But I'm not King, and NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE. It's that last bit that True Believers of both parties never understand, and they get quite insulting and abusive towards people like me. In general, in recent years, Conservative fanatics have been more abusive to me than liberals. With Trump, I took over there party, and the Never Trumpers are now the minoritarian, fading losers - and they HATE that. They USED to rule, and they were arrogant and incompetent jackasses. But now my ideas run the show, and my ideas are better. And I didn't even have to become King. All I had to do was patiently let the democratic processes of America grind the edges off and produce a consistently majoritarian government. I've always had confidence in America, in the People themselves, in the education system, imperfect as it is. For a long time I felt out in the wilderness, but now with Trump I see the things that I always believed bear fruit. And I see the "We're smarter than hoi polloi" crowd on BOTH Left and Right screaming in pain and weakness. And I like it. A lot. America is not simply a Republic. It's a DEMOCRATIC republic. We have ALWAYS elected our leaders DEMOCRATICALLY. DEMOCRACY was at the heart of the governance of all of the colonies, and it was not particularly limited (landholding was a bar in England, but not much in America where land was abundant and free to the family with axes and the endurance to survive against the elements - and THAT, not money, got them the vote. OH how the worst elements on the Right HATE democracy. OH how I love using democracy to take over their party, install Trump, and make the Bushes and their allies eat poo! On the Left, well, they just eat each other all the time. But the People are right about the need for Social Security, Public Education, Sewers, Roads, Welfare and health care. Health care is the frontier where we will see the Left come back, unless Trump and the intelligent Right co-opt the issue. I sure hope they do. But if they don't, then once Trump has gotten the Border under control and the trade situation with China rectified, he'll have a Democrat successor who will do for health care what FDR did for Social Security. The pendulum swings back and forth because the Right and the Left are too stubborn and narrow minded - and, frankly, too blinkered - to see the big picture, but the People writ large get it, and they use the parties to get what they want. Trump is here to solve issues that only the Right can solve. National security issues: Venezuela, China trade, immigration, Mexican border control, deregulation, reindustrialization. If he has true vision, he'll co-opt universal health care and make that part of a New Republican platform that will become to the Center-Right what FDR was to the Center-Left. IF that's a bridge too far for Trump, then the Democrats will do it.
2A and Christians? Sorry, what are "the bankers" doing to them?
I think he intends to remake the courts for a generation. He's already at the point of confirmations that you'd see in a 2-term president and he's knocked the teeth out of the Ninth Circus. Give him Ginsberg's seat and it's all over for the Left trying to run the country via the court, if he picks the right nominee. I think Trump is far more interested in cutting the profits of Big Pharma to sharply reduce healthcare costs. He wants to all re-importation of drugs and a faster process for FDA approval of drugs available on the global drug market. As for the big-picture vision stuff, Trump doesn't have that sort of ideological bent. You might notice that no one ever mentions a Trump Doctrine. Usually, when a prez since WW II institutes some foreign policy, they call it a doctrine, like the Bush Doctrine for instance. Trump is more solutions-oriented. He isn't oriented toward some grand ideological strategy. He probably is suspicious of the entire concept since declaring such policies makes a prez more predictable to our foreign opponents. Other presidents like Reagan and Spook Daddy liked to be unpredictable but Trump has them all beat on volatility and making our enemies doubt their own intel agencies.
Yep. Trump's a phenomenon. But boy oh boy is he checking the blocks that I and mine have wanted checked for a long, long time. The big question is whether or not the Republicans will get credit for it in the next election, or just Trump. I see too many Republicans still reflexively breaking ranks and trying to open some sort of distance with the President for it to bode well for the GOP retaking the House. They'll hold the Senate. Trump will hold the White House.
I really see Trump as a Reform Party president who just waited around and finally ran as a Republican. When Trump first was interesting in politics, he was flirting with the Reform Party. And he echoes many of those themes. And I think part of why he won MI/WI/PA was those old Reform Party people finally turned out again to vote for Trump. Trump should be seen as an independent president, America's first, more than he is a Republican president. Like Bloomberg running as a Republican in NYC to win mayor, Trump ran as a Republican to get the ballot access and to get himself on national TV in the debates. Trump could have revived the Reform Party but that would have cost too much time and money to organize. (This is what Ron Paul says about third parties too.) Or Trump could have become the LP nominee but that seems like a very limited small electorate. Or he could toss his chips in and run as one of 17 GOP candidates and rely on his TV skills to keep the cameras on him. And his unpredictability is one of his assets. I still laugh about Trump giving out Lindsey Graham's personal cell phone number on national TV. In a characteristically rambling speech to reporters in Bluffton, S.C., Trump told the crowd that Graham once called “begging” him to put in a good word with “Fox & Friends,” the Fox News morning show on which the billionaire businessman and “Celebrity Apprentice” host was a frequent guest. Trump read aloud Graham’s private telephone number from a piece of paper at the podium. “Maybe it’s an old number,” Trump told his supporters. “I don’t know, give it a shot.” A call to the phone number by Yahoo News went to Graham’s voice mailbox, which was full. C'mon, who would do that except Trump? He was ruthless when campaigning against Republicans, a little less so against Hitlery. He's learned not to say it any more but he had a habit of referring to "the Republicans" in a way that made it sound like he wasn't a Republican and didn't really think of himself that way. And I think it is true. Trump is no flavor of Republican that we've seen since 1856. Trump acts as though he became the CEO of a major corporate interest by getting an exclusive franchise via the Republican ballot access. I do wonder just what the GOP will be once Trump is gone, either in 2021 or 2025. Trump really looms much bigger than the Republican party. As for your mention of whether the GOP will benefit from Trump's actions as prez, it will be mixed. Trump supporters will vote for GOP candidates anyway. A few senators like Collins in Maine might lose a very narrow election because every lib in the state was roused to vote out any Republican within reach of their ballots. Perceptions of Trump, both good and bad, will probably swing 12-20 House seats. 2020 will be interesting to watch. It'll be like watching Godzilla headed right for downtown Tokyo again.
It will be fun to watch! I'm from Michigan, and I was a big Ross Perot supporter the first time he ran. My cousins actually were Reform Party organisers, true believers. I was uniformed military and therefore formally apolitical. I have alwasys been an FDR/Great Society Democrat on social welfare issues, and I want to see universal Medicare. I'm also an FDR - through JFK Democrat, or Eisenhower Republican, on national security issues: a strong advocate of the Cold War, and the War on Terror. I don't think Vietnam was wrong, but I blame LBJ for his incompetence in fighting it: we should have won that war. I believe in the Pax Americana, but want peace and cooperation with the Russians. I believe in protectionism against things like Chinese exploitative practices, but free and fair trade with free allies. I want the border under control and I want to see strict ID checks at the ballot box. In the financial crisis, I would have preferred to see banks nationalised and their shareholders and executives wiped out, rather than see them simply bailed out. As it is, we privatised the profits and socialised the losses. If we're going to socialise the losses (which we must to avoid the depression), then I want to socialise the profits as well, in the rebound. The banks can be SOLD back to private interests once the government has reaped the "bounce" profits after nationalisation. Similarly, I see no particular reason to privatise public oil profits, and would prefer to see a federal oil company that drills on federal lands and puts the profits into the treasury, but I don't really care all that much either way. I want a tax code that hits everybody's WEALTH equally as a percentage, not a tax code that focuses on wAGE wealth, because that concentrates wealth in the hands of the rich and is grossly iunfair. But I don't want confiscatory taxation of the rich either. An even, fair strain. Tax all wealth, at one low rate, and don't tax anything else. I want abortion stopped but I don't care about gay marriatge. I want marijuana legalised and the drinking age lowered to 18: old enough to be drafted and die, old enough to drink. Period. Neither party represents me. National security is the most important piece, so during the Cold War it was easy. During the War on Terror it WOULD have been easy, but the Republicans were more concerned about profits and did not fight it well, and frankly Obama pursued it with greater vigor for longer, so I view Obama as being as hawkish - and more militarily competent - than the Republicans who preceded him. I prefer a conservative Supreme Court. Basically, with Trump I have the cinderella presidency, and I like it. Among the Democrats, I prefer Biden's mindset, but he's going senile. I prefer Warren's social welfare economics over the other parties. On the environment, I am a strong advocate of nuclear power and solar power, and of solar- powered desalination to turn the deserts green. Given that China, India, Indonesia and Africa WILL develop, we're not going to be cutting back carbon, so let's turn the world's deserts green and tie it up in plantlife and enhanced food supplies. All that takes is sun, water and will.
I do think there is a Reform Party aspect to Trump and to his election in 2016. I just can't prove it. People seem to think those Perot voters faded away or died or became Dem/GOPs. However, so many of them were people who had never voted before or who had been absent from voting for many years. And they did mostly just go back to not voting after the Reform party faded in 2000 after the Buchanan debacle. My pet theory is that there were a fair number of these Reform people still alive and who did turn out for Trump.
I was too independent to join the Reform Party, but I DID strongly support Perot in 1992, and after H W Bush lied to my fave about not raising taxes and then felt he had the right to do it anyway, I was pleased that Clinton beat him. The direct lie on taxes was unforgivable. I wanted Perot, but putting up with 8 years of Clinton was preferable than letting HW Bush have power again. That very statement right there is what got be irrevocably banned from Free Republic. I stand by it to this day. No retreat. No surrender. Clinton was a pretty good President: great economy. W started out weak, had his grand moment with 9./11, but really botched the wars. That was better than losing them and pulling out, so I stuck with him, but the W presidency was a lost opportunity to be a Republican FDR. Obama was dealt the worst hand any incoming President has been dealt since Lincoln: a recession so deep that it was turning into a depression, and two wars on. He handled it pretty well - staved off depression, turned the recession around into a plodding plow horse economy, and regained control of both Iraq and Afghanistan. But Trump! Now, here's a guy that - IF he could get his policies through the Republican Congress - (which is to say IF Republicans were not such dirtbags as a party) -would be surging to the forefront of greatness. As it is, he has hung tough. He's been right on the economy. He's done well with the courts, and he has had to gradually impose his will through judicial opinions, executive orders and foreign relations, because both established parties work against him in Congress. Trump, like Perot, is my man. Looking back over my lifetime, you'd have to go all the way back to JFK to find a President who pleases ME as much.
FDR was a POS. You are flake.
FDR saved American democracy from going socialist or fascist, the two OTHER approaches countries took to getting out of the Great Depression. He prepared us for World War II, against the will of the jackass Republican isolationists (who pretended we could just ignore the world as it was eaten up by the Axis), and then, when the war came, FDR chose the right military leadership and managed the diplomacy and the economy to WIN IT, decisively. Something we haven't done since. FDR was the greatest American President of the 20th Century. Lincoln was the greatest of the 19th. Washington was the greatest of the 18th.
You've probably heard that the actual story was whose national security state could beat the others and that FDR was directly competing with Stalin on who could create the most successful communist state, regardless of what you called it. New Deal or Five-Year Plan, it all sounded much the same. Those who scoff at that would naturally compare FDR to Germany's Bismark, the first great semi-socialist statesman and the one man who could finally bring Germany into the modern age. And Bismark did institute some very early New Deal type reforms in Germany like a social security system in the 1880's geared toward the working classes with the Sickness Insurance law, the Accident Insurance Law, and the Disability and Old Age Law. All of this about 40 years before the FDR's New Deal. Vicomte may be French at heart but I think he wants Trump to be a Bismarck, more than anything else. But Bismarck had 30 years in office, 10 years to settle domestic German politics and his own power and then another 20 years as the undisputed master of European diplomacy and domestic German political tranquility; he even caved to created a German colonial empire and had the power and skill to accomplish it though he thought it was futile (and he was right). Trump won't get that kind of opportunity under the American system. They were the worst presidents in the history of the country except for LBJ who deserves a special place in hell.
LBJ's record is mixed. basic Welfare, Medicare, Civil Rights - he earns gold stars for these things. But he really botched Vietnam, and that weighs against him. FDR did the right thing with the New Deal, AND he won World War II, making him the greatest President in American history, truth be told. Since him, only JFK showed the same potential, but was gunned down before he could really accomplish anything permanent.
Effective summary statement. Gives us a good visual. :)
They specify “where no previous barrier existed before.” But that’s a distinction without any real meaning.
#2. To: misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#1)
Well, no, it has very real meaning. Trump was allowed (by Congress) to build a wall wherever any type of wall/wire fence/barrier previously existed. Congress, however, opposed any construction of a wall where nothing existed before.
#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)
If you replace a light fence meant only to stop vehicles but that any toddler could hop across unassisted with a new steel 30' tall bollard fence, some people would consider that a new fence.
#4. To: misterwhite (#3)
Technically it's an upgrade, and the Democrats in Congress have saved face by calling it that.
#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)
Okay, then let's call it an upgrade in the spirit of sincere bipartisanship and joining hands in comity with our partisan Dem fellow-citizens.
#6. To: Tooconservative (#2)
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)
#9. To: Tooconservative (#7)
They didn't take him seriously in 2016 so they didn't bother to manufacture one in 2016.
#10. To: misterwhite, TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#5)
Okay, then let's call it an upgrade in the spirit of sincere bipartisanship and joining hands in comity with our partisan Dem fellow-citizens.
#11. To: redleghunter (#9)
The DemonRats had the fake Russian dossier and all those #Metoo "Trump touched me" women coming forward. Which after the election they seemed to go back under the rocks. They will be back again next September.
#12. To: redleghunter (#10)
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An elderly veteran in front of me turned around and said "Amen." Then started rattling off how great Trump was and that he does what he says.
#13. To: redleghunter (#10)
They can call it what they want. But by the Presidential debates next year, upgrade and new wall will be up. Lots of new wall will be up. Promise kept. The border bots will be happy, those who were concerned with the SCOTUS and federal courts will be happy (Trump just had another 6 justices appointed today for a total of 150 for the federal benches).
#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)
He doesn't want to fix it all too soon though; then they'd have no reason to vote for him at all.
#15. To: redleghunter (#14)
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
They can do their October Surprise. That cannot knock down the economy, and people vote their pocketbooks.
#17. To: redleghunter (#10)
#18. To: Tooconservative (#12)
We all tend to stay in our own little circles so libs know libs and conservatives know conservatives.
#19. To: WWG1WWA (#16)
*Note what the bankers are doing to 2A and Christians. Like Big Tech, they financially deplatform anyone they disagree with.
#20. To: Vicomte13 (#18)
Trump is here to solve issues that only the Right can solve. National security issues: Venezuela, China trade, immigration, Mexican border control, deregulation, reindustrialization.
If he has true vision, he'll co-opt universal health care and make that part of a New Republican platform that will become to the Center-Right what FDR was to the Center-Left.
#21. To: Tooconservative (#20)
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
The big question is whether or not the Republicans will get credit for it in the next election, or just Trump.
Hours after South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham called Donald Trump “the world’s biggest jackass” for questioning Arizona Sen. John McCain’s “war hero” status, the real estate mogul and Republican presidential candidate responded by giving out Graham’s personal cellphone number.
#23. To: Tooconservative (#22)
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
It will be fun to watch! I'm from Michigan, and I was a big Ross Perot supporter the first time he ran. My cousins actually were Reform Party organisers, true believers. I was uniformed military and therefore formally apolitical.
#25. To: Tooconservative (#24)
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#25)
#27. To: A K A Stone (#26)
FDR was a POS. You are flake.
#28. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#27)
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FDR saved American democracy from going socialist or fascist, the two OTHER approaches countries took to getting out of the Great Depression.
FDR was the greatest American President of the 20th Century. Lincoln was the greatest of the 19th. Washington was the greatest of the 18th.
#29. To: Tooconservative (#28)
#30. To: Tooconservative (#22)
2020 will be interesting to watch. It'll be like watching Godzilla headed right for downtown Tokyo again.
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