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Title: The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this:
Source: The Daily Bell
URL Source: https://www.thedailybell.com/all-ar ... erts-911-fourteen-years-later/
Published: Sep 11, 2015
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2019-09-08 21:03:41 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 248
Comments: 31

The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this:

Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah. Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes.

And hangover or not, they manage to give the world's most sophisticated air defence system the slip.

Unfazed by leaving their "How to Fly a Passenger Jet" guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely.

The laws of physics fail, and the world watches in awe as asymmetrical damage and scattered low temperature fires cause steel-framed buildings to collapse symmetrically through their own mass at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.

Despite their dastardly cunning and superb planning, they give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the destruction of steel and concrete and fall to the ground where they are quickly discovered lying on top of the mass of debris.

Meanwhile in Washington

Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a jet airliner. Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little. Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the Pentagon. Without ruining the nicely mowed lawn and at a speed just too fast to capture on video.

In the skies above Pennsylvania

Desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that would not be possible until several years later.

And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, the airliner crashes into a Pennsylvania field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants except for the standard issue Muslim terrorist bandana.

During these events

President Bush continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class of primary school children.

In New York

World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously.

In Washington

The Neoconservatives are overjoyed by the arrival of the "New Pearl Harbor," the necessary catalyst for launching their pre-planned wars.

This article contributed courtesy of PaulCraigRoberts.org.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

President Bush continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class of primary school children.

Yeah but it is a classic of American literature.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-09   4:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this …
Not even close.

This is simply yet another Deckard-posted author-conceived fantasy work created in fictional prose. It shows an attempted effort to destroy the great importance of the setting in the truth itself with a desire to imperil evil into a historically accurate story. This malicious attempt to distort validated facts with intentional subjection in an effort to try and make something seem contemptuous and dismissive can in itself be held up to ridicule.

Hand Salute,
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-09   7:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#2)

This is simply yet another Deckard-posted author-conceived fantasy work created in fictional prose.

What exactly is "fantasy" in this article?

watchman  posted on  2019-09-09   8:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#2) (Edited)

You and mister white should get your heads out of your assholes. Jet fuel never ever melts steel even if burning for months and months.

You two seem to have an agenda that isn't rooted on the truth. Or maybe you really do need to get your heads out of your asses. Love Stone.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-09   8:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Jet fuel never ever melts steel even if burning for months and months.

Neither of us said it "melts" steel. It will soften it, though, to the point where the steel cannot support the load.

Did you watch the video? Four minutes was all it took.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-09   9:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#5)

Why after all the bombings in Britain during WW2, did so many high rises survive as burnt out skeletons? The same goes for many buildings during the war. Concrete and steel structures simply do not fall from fire.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2019-09-09   9:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: watchman (#3)

What exactly is "fantasy" in this article?
I am both honored by your returned presence and by your acuity to ask such a penetrating question.

A question which I will humbly attempt to answer, with the best reason this old mind can spawn.

Let me begin, please.

The author used the words “something like this” as a qualifying phrase. When the author said that “the official version of 9/11 goes ‘something’ like this” that “something” he presented was purely and simply his fantasy.

“Something like this” means “of or pertaining to a vague situation and having only subtle qualities – the use of imagination or fantasizing.

If he didn’t know it be “exactly like this” then his “something like this” meant that he was recalling the “the official bersion of 9/11” situation only vaguely. He is therefore composing a fantasy.

Fantasizing is of course imaginary, daydream-like satire scenarios that individuals play out in their heads.

Ergo – The whole of “something lis this” is a complete “fantasy.”

I trust I have answered your question. While I think I may have been redundant at some times in doing so and ask that you please forgive me for that.

Hand Salute,
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-09   9:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: jeremiad (#6)

Why after all the bombings in Britain during WW2, did so many high rises survive as burnt out skeletons?

They were built differently and they were much shorter (<300').

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-09   9:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#4) (Edited)

You and mister white should get your heads out of your assholes. Jet fuel never ever melts steel even if burning for months and months.
You two seem to have an agenda that isn't rooted on the truth. Or maybe you really do need to get your heads out of your asses. Love Stone.

No where have I ever posted that “Jet fuel melts steel.”
Have I?
I will answer my own question – No, I have never.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-09   10:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

I have never said that burning jet fuel melts steel.

I however posted this video where burning jet fuel weakens steel

Now that you have seen what I posted and in hopes that you fully understand that I never said burning jet fuel melts steel - May I please get my head out of my ass. I am having trouble breathing and it stinks like shit in here.

Hand Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-09   10:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#5) (Edited)

I feel we have been given renewed meaning to the idiom:
“Nothing like being late to the party” – Ya think?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-09   11:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Jet fuel never ever melts steel even if burning for months and months.

Those with no understanding of metallurgical phase change think it's just that simple, it seems.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2019-09-09   11:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#10)

this video where burning jet fuel weakens steel

The welder also weakened the h-e-double hockey sticks out of that steel in multiple places when he welded ACROSS THE TOP of the I-beam @ 2:44 into the video.

Big no-no...the welder should have known.

watchman  posted on  2019-09-09   13:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#5)

Neither of us said it "melts" steel. It will soften it, though

Perhaps it softens brains too?

A Pole  posted on  2019-09-09   13:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: watchman (#13) (Edited)

this video where burning jet fuel weakens steel

The welder also weakened the h-e-double hockey sticks out of that steel in multiple places when he welded ACROSS THE TOP of the I-beam @ 2:44 into the video.

Big no-no...the welder should have known.

You saw less than 2 seconds of welding at 2:44 into the video.

In that less than 2 second time frame, how were you able come to the such a definitive conclusion that the welder was welding “ACROSS THE TOP” [ACROSS THE FLANGE] and that the welder did not know what the was doing?

When in the less than 2 seconds you observed, the welder may have in fact been only performing q tack weld according to qualified welding procedures and that he was a welder fully certified in the process?

Hand Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-09   14:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Gatlin (#15)

If he welded one stack of plates he probably welded all four. There were eight potential welds he could have made on the four stacks. The one weld shown was way more than a tack.

This tells me that the people making this video weren't serious about conducting a test...it was more like a (over) dramatization.

This is why architects and engineers are needed. Maybe the folks making this video should have invited the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth to help them get things right.

watchman  posted on  2019-09-09   14:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: watchman (#16)

This tells me that the people making this video weren't serious about conducting a test...it was more like a (over) dramatization.
You seem to get magically “told” lots of things – That is amazing, truly amazing.

Do you mind if I “tell” you the video you watched was never “test” and definitely not an over dramatization? It was pure and simple a demonstration, or experiment, with a designated purpose to answer the stated question: “Can jet fuel fire weaken steel?”

And it DEFINITELY did that – You Betcha. it did!

This is why architects and engineers are needed. Maybe the folks making this video should have invited the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth to help them get things right.
For what purpose? The video was not intended in any way to replicate what happened in 9/11. It was you who pointed this out to me, wasn’t it? Moreover, if the American Institute of Architects wants nothing to do with these clowns, then I can think of no reason anyone would want to.

Besides, there is was no need for any or all of the 3060 asshole clowns in the AEfor9/11 group. Because Robert Abernathy, PhD, the Computational Analysist for Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center did an excellent job of showing what he wanted to show.

Which was: The HEAT from the right amount of jet fuel will definitely cause STEEL to WEAKEN.

Okay - Let’s do a thorough review of the lessons we have learned:

  • Steel melts ta a temperature of 2,777 degrees Fahrenheit

  • Steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit.

  • Jet fuel burns at 1,516 degrees Fahrenheit.

  • The 90,000 liters [23775.485 US gallons] of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raised temperatures above 1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building.

  • Temperature differentials of hundreds of degrees across single steel horizontal trusses caused them to sag--straining and then breaking the angle clips that held the beams to the vertical columns. Once one truss failed, others followed. When one floor collapsed onto the next floor below, that floor subsequently gave way, creating a pancaking effect that triggered each 500,000- ton structure to crumble. Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down.

    Did I miss anything?

    Excerpted from the Scientific Journal.

A very good day, to you – Sir.

Hand Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-09   17:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin, misterwhite, watchman, A Pole (#17) (Edited)

I think people have a touching faith in the integrity of NYC buildings and construction inspections.

NBC: Residents Forced to Vacate Williamsburg Building Once Owned By Slain Landlord, 11/27/2015
Tenants at a building once owned by a landlord was found dead on Long Island last year are being forced out this weekend because the five-story luxury building was deemed structurally unsound.

All 20 units at the building at 120 S. Fourth St. in Brooklyn's tony Williamsburg neighborhood were vacated by the city Department of Buildings on Tuesday because substandard steel columns trusses, beams and welds had left the structure unsafe.

...

I think we should not assume that the welds were proper or that the beams themselves were free of the kinds of impurities that could have contributed to the collapse. NYC has a lot of regulation and inspections for a reason: a lot of people in the construction business will cut every corner they can and use inferior materials.

And such practices may go completely unnoticed for many decades. Buildings like the WTC complex are so over-engineered that they were intended to withstand the impact of a jetliner.

But only if the materials were at their full load rating (proper steel beams) and assembled correctly by expert welders.

They certainly were in a big hurry to clean all that debris out of the WTC site and get it buried. And no one ever sampled those beams and truss elements in the wreckage to see if they were all up to snuff with building codes.

Despite its building codes and onerous inspections process, you can still find public works and buildings in NYC with concrete so adulterated that it is just a powdery substance you can punch a fist through it, softer than limestone. But it somehow passes inspections.

So it is worth considering that all this stuff about "jet fuel doesn't melt steel" is complete nonsense if the steel was impure or defective.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-09   18:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#18)

Thank you ...

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-09   18:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone, jeremiad, watchman, misterwhite, Gatlin, Tooconservative (#4) (Edited)

You and mister white should get your heads out of your assholes. Jet fuel never ever melts steel even if burning for months and months.

Here’s (below) an interesting picture of what was called “the Shanghai Jiaozhou Road Fire,” a fire on 15 November 2010 that destroyed a 28-story high-rise apartment building in the city of Shanghai China, killing at least 58 people and injured more than 70. When I say destroyed, the building stood and the integrity of the steel remained

The deadliest “skyscraper” (used loosely) fire ever in history was the famous Triangle Shirt Waist Factory, which I wrote about intimately in one of my 70+ books. a total of 146 people were killed in a senseless fire. Escape exits were locked.

In spites of almost 100 “skyscraper” fires, many raging infernos lasting hours and days obliterating everything but the steel superstructure, no building has ever fallen from fire with the exceptions of New York City Ground Zero towers 1, 2 and building 7 on September eleventh, 2001.


The Tamweel fire in Dubai in November sent flames though many floors, causing extensive damage -- but the building did not fall

A high-rise building catches fire in a major city. All of its occupants are evacuated as fire crews arrive to put out the blaze. After a few hours, the flames spread across dozens of floors … and in the end, the building remains standing. That was the story in 2012 in Dubai, the most populous city in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), as the Tamweel Building was added to the long list of skyscrapers that have withstood major fires. This stark contrast to the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7, the only steel framed skyscrapers in history, whose… complete collapses have been officially blamed on fire, is causing more people to question the official 9/11 story.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-10   6:14:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Tooconservative (#1)

President Bush continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class of primary school children. Yeah but it is a classic of American literature.

The fictional Sherlock Holmes solved the crime in "Silver Blaze" by deducing it was the owner of the house who was the criminal. How did he know? Because the dog did not bark. The only person who could have committed the crime without arousing the dog was someone the dog knew as a friend; the dog's owner.

Inspector Gregory: "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"

Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."

"The dog did nothing in the night time"

"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.

From "The Adventure of Silver Blaze" by Arthur Conan Doyle

Now let us turn our Sherlockian logic on 9-11.

Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory no-one could have known how many planes had been hijacked. In one of the numerous strange coincidences that occurred on 9-11, there was an ongoing NORAD drill simulating 30 aircraft hijacked by terrorists. Air Traffic Controllers did not know which targets were genuine hijacked planes and which were the simulations.Two genuine hijacked planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, Bush was at a publicized photo opportunity at Booker Elementary School, and there is an airport only four miles from this School.

The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on September 8th, giving the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target.

1913: Congress authorized permanent [Secret Service] protection of the President and the statutory authorization for President-elect protection.

The Booker Elementary video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with many unknowns. They don't do anything else.

But the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

Bush defenders try to explain Bush's inaction as his not wanting to upset the children. Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11" suggests Bush's inaction was due to his not being told to leave. But Michael Moore fails to follow that line of reasoning through to its logical conclusion; where were the people whose job it is to get the President to a place of safety in event of attack, the people who would have, SHOULD have, pulled Bush out of there, children and public appearances be damned!

Take a look back at how quickly the Secret Service moved when John Hinckley Jr. tried to assassinate President Reagan.

And now, Bush at Booker Elementary. White House aid Andy Carter informs Bush that the second plane has crashed into the second tower at the one minute mark. At that point, according to statements made by the government, everyone knows this is a terror attack. Where is the Secret Service protective detail? They should be in that video, grabbing the President and getting him to safety.

At Booker Elementary School on 9-11, the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

If the events of 9-11 were truly a surprise to the United States Government then there is no way the Secret Service could have known there wasn't a hijacked or stolen plane heading towards Booker Elementary School that very second.

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

The Secret Service should be in that video, but they are not. It is clear from their inaction that they KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT A TARGET THAT DAY. And the only way they could know that is that the Secret Service and the White House knew ahead of time what the targets were for the 9-11 aircraft!

The dog did not bark because the criminal was its master.

Quod Erat Demonstradum, the Bush administration was part of the 9-11 plot.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-10   6:25:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#9)

No where have I ever posted that “Jet fuel melts steel.” Have I? I will answer my own question – No, I have never.

Then explain this geezer.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-10   8:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#20)

The deadliest “skyscraper” (used loosely) fire ever in history was the famous Triangle Shirt Waist Factory, which I wrote about intimately in one of my 70+ books. a total of 146 people were killed in a senseless fire. Escape exits were locked.

You've written 70+ books and still have time to post full-time at little old LF?

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-10   8:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deckard (#21)

Take a look back at how quickly the Secret Service moved when John Hinckley Jr. tried to assassinate President Reagan.

Bush was in an elementary school with all the exits covered by his SS detail. That is not comparable to having someone actively shooting at a president at close range.

Trying to make such an argument is why no one takes you seriously. These two things are not remotely comparable to any adult.

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

The SS is a protection detail. They are not privy to national security secrets and status reports. Once they were alerted to unfolding terrorism (by the second plane striking WTC), they did evacuate Bush quickly and he was flown per the longstanding evacuation plan to the old SAC base in Omaha to receive a full briefing. His destination would have been elsewhere if a nuclear weapon had been used but Omaha was the right choice for the unfolding 9/11 situation. And all that was dictated by national security policy regarding the CIC, not by the Secret Service. You seem to have no grasp of how these various agencies work together and who is calling the shots in a given situation.

For all its recent problems with drinking, drugs, whoring, crashing cars drunkenly into the WH gates, the SS is just a pack of guard dogs, not a part of the national security establishment. After all, the SS is still responsible for catching all counterfeiters in addition to its more widely known job of protecting top politicians and protecting foreign ambassadors and embassies in D.C.

Wiki: United States Secret Service, Investigative mission
Safeguards the payment and financial systems of the United States from a wide range of financial and electronic-based crimes. Financial investigations include counterfeit US currency, bank and financial institution fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, illicit financing operations, and major conspiracies. Electronic investigations include cybercrime, network intrusions, identity theft, access device fraud, credit card fraud, and intellectual property crimes. The Secret Service is a key member of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) which investigates and combats terrorism on a national and international scale, as well as of the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas (HIDTA) Task Force which seeks to reduce and eliminate drug trafficking in critical regions of the United States. The Secret Service also investigates missing and exploited children and is a core partner of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC).[6]

The Secret Service's initial responsibility was to investigate the counterfeiting of US currency, which was rampant following the American Civil War. The agency then evolved into the United States' first domestic intelligence and counterintelligence agency. Many of the agency's missions were later taken over by subsequent agencies such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), and IRS Criminal Investigation Division (IRS-CI).

Seen correctly, the Secret Service was the original national police agency, the permanent peacetime predecessor of the FBI and the CIA.

Tidbit: the bill from Congress to create the Secret Service, primarily to combat widespread counterfeiting, was on Lincoln's desk for his signature the night he was shot by John Wilkes Booth. Maybe Lincoln should have stayed home to do his work and sign that bill instead of gallivanting off to the Ford's Theater with the missus (who was a whacked-out bitch anyway).

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-10   9:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Firefighter Captain Philip Ruvolo testified to the presence of molten steel on camera. “You’d get down below and you’d see molten steel– molten steel running down the channelways, like you were in a foundry– like lava.” His FDNY brothers agreed with his observation. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg#t=1m1s . Source is Etienne Sauret’s film “Collateral Damages” (2003).

A review of of Etienne Sauret’s documentary “Collateral Damage” describes firemen recalling “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.” (Lumenick, Lou, “Unflinching Look Among the Ruins,” New York Post, March 3, 2004.)

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“They showed us many fascinating slides” he continued, “ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster.”
– Dr. Keith Eaton at http://web.archive.org/web/20030422113455/http://www.istructe.org.uk/about/files/president/Tour-2002-NewYork.pdf

“Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.” – Guy Lounsbury of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing at http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200112/ai_n9015802#continue

“He remembers seeing in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow — molten metal dripping from a beam — but found no signs of life.” – Lee Turner of The Boone County Firefighters at http://www.usnews.com/usnews/9_11/articles/911memories.htm

“Richard Garlock, a structural engineer for LERA said ‘Going below, it was smoky and really hot… The debris past the columns was red-hot, molten, running.’
http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/engineering/engineering_debris_06.html

The steel was so hot from the jet fuel that, uh, it was literally steaming. Your boots would melt in certain areas. That’s how hot it was. The steel was coming out red in certain areas for the first couple weeks, at least.

– Michael Casale, Project Supt., Mazzocchi Wrecking in Modern Marvels Demolition segment on WTC Ground Zero

“Vance Deisingnore, OSHA Officer at WTC, reported the following to Jim McKay, Post-Gazette Staff Writer, on September 11, 2002 ‘a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the Tower collapsed, its metal so hot that it looked like a vat of molten steel.'”
http://web.archive.org/web/20030521104203/http://www.thenewliberator.com/wethepeople.htm

“‘The [NYFD] people who called us had been killed,’ Atlas considered as she surveyed the tons and acres of wreckage. ‘Nobody’s going to be alive.’ Fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet.” – “K-9/11: Tracking the Rescuers’ Trauma,” Summer 2002, on Sarah Atlas of New Jersey’s Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue – http://www.sas.upenn.edu/sasalum/newsltr/summer2002/k911.html

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-10   9:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Deckard (#20)

is causing more people to question the official 9/11 story.

Yeah, because we know the collapse was caused by … what? A UFO death ray? An invisible Godzilla? A great disturbance in the Force?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-10   10:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Deckard (#25)

Molten metal, sure. Aluminum melts at a lower temperature. That's what they saw.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-10   10:30:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, jeremiad, watchman, misterwhite, Tooconservative (#20)

Here’s (below) an interesting picture of what was called “the Shanghai Jiaozhou Road Fire” …
it is an important part of “analytical fire analysis” when attempting to show the “relative cause and effect” “of one fire to another fire” that you must be fully cognizant of the scientific fact that the temperature of fires vary to extremes depending on the fuel source and the burn time of the fire when trying to show “relative cause and effect.” For example:
  • Candle flame – The hottest part of a candle flame burns at around 1400°C, while the average temperature is usually 1000°C.

  • Wood fire – A household wood fire burns at around 600°C. Temperature can change depending on the type of wood and its condition.

  • Bonfire – The temperature of a bonfire gradually heats up to around 600°C, but bonfires can reach 1000-1100°C.

  • Bunsen burner – A bunsen burner is adjustable, with safety flames measuring around 300°C. Fully open bunsen burners can reach 1500°C, with piercing blue and white flames visible.

  • Burning match – For such a small flame, a household match burns at around 600-800°C.

  • Propane torch – Combustion of propane and air is roughly 1900°C. A butane fire will have a similar temperature.
In the Shanghai Jiaozhou Road Fire, what was the temperature of fire and for how long did it burn?

To paraphrase an idiom: “What happens in Shanghai stays in Shanghai” when no direct cause and relationship effect can be shown.

Next time, post a picture of a campfire – it will have the same meaningless relative association as you provided with you posting a picture of the Shanghai Jiaozhou Road Fire,

Idiot …

Hand Salute,
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-10   11:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Gatlin (#28)

In the Shanghai Jiaozhou Road Fire, what was the temperature of fire and for how long did it burn?

Was that fire the result of a fully-fueled 757 flying into it at 500 mph, destroying multiple supporting beams?

What would happen if you put another 100 stories on top of that burning building?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-10   11:35:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#22) (Edited)

Nowhere have I ever posted that “Jet fuel melts steel.” Have I?
I will answer my own question – No, I have never.

Then explain this geezer.

This “geezer” has no need or reason to explain what you are seeing in the video you posted, since I never posted that video in the first place.

The video I posted only proved that burning jet fuel will weaken steel.

I therefore stand by my statement, which was:

“Nowhere have I ever posted that “Jet fuel melts steel.”

Hand Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-10   13:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: misterwhite (#27) (Edited)

Molten metal, sure. Aluminum melts at a lower temperature. That's what they saw.
They have no idea what the “molten metal” was since none of those observers quoted were metallurgists and there was no analysis of the "molten metal."

Hand Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-10   13:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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