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Title: Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower’s Collapse on 9/11, New Study Finds
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Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
URL Source: https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7?fbc ... L0IDQYyB2d7IvRLn0Qb0pH4Q3b91iA
Published: Sep 4, 2019
Author: AE911Truth staff
Post Date: 2019-09-05 06:15:20 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 11294
Comments: 69
On September 11, 2001, at 5:20 PM, the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 collapsed into its footprint, falling more than 100 feet at the rate of gravity for 2.5 seconds of its seven-second destruction. Despite calls for the evidence to be preserved, New York City officials had the building's debris removed and destroyed in the ensuing weeks and months, preventing a proper forensic investigation from ever taking place. Seven years later, federal investigators concluded that WTC 7 was the first steel-framed high-rise ever to have collapsed solely as a result of normal office fires.
Today, we at Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth are pleased to partner with the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) in releasing the draft report of a four-year computer modeling study of WTC 7’s collapse conducted by researchers in the university's Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering. The UAF WTC 7 report concludes that the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11 was caused not by fire but rather by the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.
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#30. To: Tooconservative (#28)
Ha ha ha. It is YOU who "already have a strong opinion"! I do not know what really happened. But since you are so smart, please explain me why the third building was destroyed. What exactly caused it?
Do you mean the Plasco Building in Tehran, Iran. For it was long ago during my youthful days gone past that I educated myself to never tie things together by “assessing associations in observational studies” – as you may be trying to do here. An association does not prove that one thing caused the other since there is no true cause-and-effect relationship evidence of proof. Therefore, watching “videos of construction in places like Iran” will not tell me anything about how the Plasco Building was constructed. With all this in mind, it is until I am shown convincing evidence otherwise, that I must continue to believe the official finding as stated: “The fire was determined to be the sole cause of Plasco’s collapse.” Salute,
Since you're doing your passive-aggressive Grand Inquisitor routine, why don't you explain it to us? You obviously have some very strong kook mojo going about it.
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Here we have the same old bleating sheep and "official" government fairy-take shills weighing in with their ignorance. I can understand why you left.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. If you REALLY understood, you’d fucking leave too... and hide out on a few acres of wooded land, far from big bad gov, located in the corner of the flat earth.
Therefore I read a journal review by the Hong Kong Polytechnic University, International Journal of High Rise Buildings, Preliminary Modelling of the Plasco Building. Conclusion: The Plasco collapse is only SIMILAR to the WTC collapse. The final sentence of the conclusion is that the similarities have NOT actually been found and significant further studies are required. Of note: the authors believe that it is extremely important for structural engineers to analyze major failures with great care and dedication, such as is routine in other industries, in order to promote robustness/resilience of buildings that have similar vulnerabilities. That is why all of our architects and engineers need to study the WTC collapse and be given our utmost support. The Institute of Northern Engineering is conducting such a study and are at this moment reaching conclusions that differ from the official report.
As I said, I do not know what happened there. It seems, you do not know either. But you are ranting and raving for some reason.
I thought you were the hysterical one, judging by your posts.
A nice cop out.
I stated: The word “preliminary” immediately grabbed my attention. With that aside, I ask that you please go right ahead and read to me. Which you did: Of note: the authors believe that it is extremely important for structural engineers to analyze major failures with great care and dedication, such as is routine in other industries, in order to promote robustness/resilience of buildings that have similar vulnerabilities. That is why all of our architects and engineers need to study the WTC collapse and be given our utmost support. I find that I have become most inquisitive over time so as to become inordinately curious about things I am told by other people. I may well attribute this to my advancing age. It is because of my inquisitive nature that I would like to read directly from the source the “conclusion” – which you summarily read to me – in its entirety and consider the context. And – forgive me, please, with all respect – not have you try to tell me what it said. I was going to ask you to cite your source, but in the meantime through diligent research I “therefore find I also read a journal review” titled Preliminary Modeling of Plasco Tower Collapse by authors from Department of Building Services Engineering, the Hong Kong Polytechnic, Hong Kong, China. I read it a wee bit differently than what you told me. I will share with you what I read by presenting a direct quote and citing the source: The authors believe that it is extremely important for structural engineers to analyze major failures with great care and dedication, such as is routine in the aerospace industry. This will help the profession learn from these failures and help improve the robustness and resilience pf the buildings and urban structures that may similarly vulnerable through appropriate strengthening and retrofit. While this particular analysis is not conclusive at this initial stage of investigation, the authors feel that the structural system of the Plasco Tower has considerable similarity to that of the WTC Towers specifically the two floor systems, and collapse mechanisms described by Lange el al. (2012) could very well be responsible for the collapse. However, this so far has not been found and significant further studies are required. Uh, did you catch where it stated that “significant further studies are required.” I am pretty sure that means before any scientific conclusions can be reached, right? You went on to say: Thank you for letting me know this and I ask that you please let me know the “end results” when the INE “completes” the study they are currently “conducting” and can definitely support definitive conclusions after the have finally “reached” those conclusions. In the meantime, and after considering all the information – or the lack thereof – that we have exchanged, I sincerely hope you can understand how I must continue holding to the my belief that:
I may well attribute this to my advancing age. Looks about the same to me. The only difference is that you pasted the whole conclusion, while I provided a simple summation of the conclusion. I did that primarily because it was late and I couldn't figure out how to copy/paste from a pdf. That's why I gave you the exact title of the journal review...so you could find it and read it for yourself. Well, your advancing age hasn't spared me from your biting wit, Mr. Gatlin! I say let's encourage more studies. There has been a vilification of anyone who would dare challenge the "official report". Engineers are funny creatures...they have their reputations, and their inquisitive minds. On a lighter note, I think you like gospel music and the mandolin. Maybe you have heard these boys before, but lately I think of you when I play this particular album of theirs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q...uQH_UIHGQfty_y87uEXtGLdNp
There can possibly be no more beautiful way to begin a Sunday morning than with an in-home worship started with great music. And what better way is there to get off of the boring subject of buildings burning down. Your music takes me back to the days of my childhood when I used to hear … I'll catch up with you another day. And in the vernacular of a police radio call, this is the "Old Major" signing of for now with a "Ten Dash Seven Alpha." Good Day to You, Sir … Hand Salute,
Archtect: Well, I finished the design of the building. It meets all the engineering standards and will cost $10 million. Buyer: Ah. But will it survive a fully fueled 767 crashing into it at 600 mph, extensive structural damage, and fires burning out of control for 7 hours? Architect: Sure. But that will bring the cost to $100 million. Still want the building?
Archtect: Well, I finished the design of the building. It meets all the engineering standards and will cost $10 million. Buyer: Ah. But will it survive a fully fueled 767 crashing into it at 600 mph, extensive structural damage, and fires burning out of control for 7 hours? Architect: Sure. But that will bring the cost to $100 million. Still want the building? Hand Salute,
Both buildings survived the airplane impacts. It was the fire started on multiple floors by the jet fuel coupled with the failure of the sprinkler system coupled with the exposed steel beams that caused the collapse.
I have always found to this date there are mounds of conjectures and speculations by conspiracy theorists continuing to go on. Their obstinate persistence in setting their course of action is firmly a misdirected foolhardy continuance in a course of fruitless action in spite of the great difficulty or stone wall opposition they face. Perhaps while they are having trouble and what they are doing is unworthy of their time and effort, maybe in some small way it will give them comfort. They act kinda like they are afflicted with the “Dog Chasing Tail Syndrome” in chich … Hand Salute,
Their theories consist solely of unanswered questions. No proof is ever offered.
Well stated. And they are always unsuccessfully trying to show what didn't happen. Because they have absolutely no way of ever showing what actually happened. A total mixed up lot of good-for-nothing misfits ... Have we covered pretty much everything in our accurate descriptive analysis? Yea ...
So what hit WTC7 building?
Debris from the collapse of WTC1, which started fires on 10 floors simultaneously.
Attaboy! What you are trying say is that the site needs more cop suckers like you, right?
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. It certainly doesn’t need any more foil hat wearing 6% assholes, banned from other sites for their kookery. You flat earth kook. lol
Debris from the collapse of WTC1, which started fires on 10 floors simultaneously. Debris? Could you provide sources?
As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon. (https://web.archive.org/web/20070809030232/http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_ june04/appendixl.pdf)
I don't subscribe to that theory pig boy...but then you'd know that if you had an IQ above room temperature. But by all means, keep up you quest for a cop- worshiping echo chamber, one where any opinions that deviate from the "official" government- approved 9/11 fairy tale are verboten. You might want to run that past Stone - he's one of us. Here's a link that completely debunks your fairy tale narrative: The Most Outrageous 9/11 Conspiracy Theory On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor. Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Hahahahaha!!!
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. Bwahahahaha!
What you are seeing Deckard display here, folks, is a condition called the pseudobulbar affect. It is characterized as such by episodes of sudden uncontrollable laughing. The condition can be embarrassing and disruptive to his daily life but it can be managed with proper medication. Hand Salute,
Responding with ridicule to someone with pseudobulbar affect (PBA) as shock treatment has also been known to help the individual suffering from (PBA) in addition to application of proper medication.
But - but - but - Then we would lose our human punching bag.
You defend those that do. Let’s face it, if we had poster that hated cops like you do but was a self proclaimed shit eater, you’d be as nice as pie to them. Go fuck yourself, criminal cocksucker.
He won’t go nowhere, this is his only resource. Every other site would ban his ass after his normal disruptive behavior and endless yella propaganda.
Deckard said he only hates “bad cops.” What Dicard didn’t say is that he thinks “all cops are bad.” Hand Salute,
Bwahahahaha! Didn't bother to read the links, did you? You guys are a hoot-and-a-half. What a bunch of deluded and brainwashed tools.
Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. This debris was like a burning incendiary napalm? What was the content of it? Was it the same whitish cloud that we see on video clips?
You are using boosterism in your attempt to deliver a channelized deceptive theme instead of presenting solid evidence. You deviously use links since you lack adequate facts in your efforts to persuade people. A well-informed person seeks views that are factually supported by evidence from unbiased sources and not fall prey to boosterism from a partisan who is prejudice in favor of a particular cause. One of the first things I do as an intelligent and successful person is to immediately identify “time-wasters.” That is to say, I identify things that are getting in the way of keeping me from continuing to successfully move forward to what I want to accomplish. Part of me being a critical reader is the ability to recognize your duplicitous technique and completely ignore your time-wasters. It is therefore in this light that I respond to your question by saying: No, I did not bother to waste my time with your boosterism by reading the links. Furthermore, your affronting effort of continuing with your boosterism will forever stand as strongly supported evidence that your diligence is only exceeded by your basic ignorance. Hand Salute,
WTC1.
So what did and where's the evidence? Crickets
Crickets Too bad. For now, I will abstain from forming an opinion. Too many known unknowns.
Sounds like you already have a strong opinion.
#31. To: watchman (#26)
Couldn't find Terhran Italy...
Yes. I doubt that the Plasco Building even needed a fire to cause it's collapse.
Expressing you doubt does in no way supply any scientifically supporting evidence. Have you ever watched videos of construction in places like Iran?
No, and I have no need to in the situation here. They don't even know how to operate cranes in Tehran.
Ahem, neither do they in New York City.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tChi81KfMa8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qoUjMBbbhQ
Gatlin
#32. To: A Pole (#30)
But since you are so smart, please explain me why the third building was destroyed. What exactly caused it?
#33. To: A Pole (#30)
(Edited)
boris
#34. To: Liberator, (#25)
The Nutjobs For Nine-Eleven ... Yet another reason I like you ...
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#35. To: Deckard (#34)
I can understand why you left.
#36. To: Gatlin (#31)
Expressing you doubt does in no way supply any scientifically supporting evidence.
The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.
#37. To: Tooconservative (#32)
Since you're doing your passive-aggressive Grand Inquisitor routine, why don't you explain it to us?
#38. To: A Pole (#37)
But you are ranting and raving for some reason.
#39. To: Tooconservative (#38)
I thought you were the hysterical one, judging by your posts.
#40. To: watchman, misterwhite, GrandIsland (#36)
(Edited)
Expressing your doubt does in no way supply any scientifically supporting evidence.
You replied: Therefore I read a journal review by the Hong Kong Polytechnic University, International Journal of High Rise Buildings, Preliminary Modelling of the Plasco Building.
Conclusion: The Plasco collapse is only SIMILAR to the WTC collapse. The final sentence of the conclusion is that the similarities have NOT actually been found and significant further studies are required.
5. Conclusions
The Institute of Northern Engineering is conducting such a study and are at this moment reaching conclusions that differ from the official report.
“… according to FEMA, while the 2008 NIST study placed the final collapse time at 5:20:52 pm. The collapse began when a critical internal column buckled and triggered structural failure throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of a rooftop penthouse structure at 5:20:33 pm. The collapse made the old 7 World Trade Center the first tall building known to have collapsed primarily due to uncontrolled fires, and at the time, the only steel skyscraper in the world to have collapsed due to fire.”
Salute,
Gatlin
#41. To: Gatlin (#40)
a wee bit differently
#42. To: watchman (#41)
Gatlin
#43. To: Gatlin (#40)
That is why all of our architects and engineers need to study the WTC collapse and be given our utmost support.
#44. To: misterwhite (#43)
That is why all of our architects and engineers need to study the WTC collapse and be given our utmost support.
And even then – there may be no guarantee because the scale of the destruction in the 9/11 attacks initially puzzled engineers, who had expected the buildings to survive airplane impacts. "In September 2005, the National Institute of Standards and Technology published the results of its investigation into the collapse. The investigators did not find anything substandard in the design of the twin towers, noting that the severity of the attacks was beyond anything experienced in buildings in the past. They determined the fires to be the main cause of the collapses, finding that sagging floors pulled inward on the perimeter columns, causing them to bow and then to buckle. Once the upper section of the building began to move downwards, a total progressive collapse was unavoidable.”
Gatlin
#45. To: Gatlin (#44)
who had expected the buildings to survive airplane impacts.
#46. To: misterwhite (#45)
Both buildings survived the airplane impacts. It was the fire started on multiple floors by the jet fuel coupled with the failure of the sprinkler system coupled with the exposed steel beams that caused the collapse.
I find no presentation of plausible evidence presented anywhere that has the appearance of truth or reason which would be to me seemingly contradictory worthy of acceptance as credible. Tail-chasing occurs when the dog itches around the rear-end due to external parasites like fleas or food allergies. In addition, discomfort in the tail area due to impacted anal glands or neurological problems affecting the caudal spine often cause dogs to nip at their tails.
The people in this group must me extremely fun to watch in real life. I believe the conspiracy theorists’ problem in restricted to “impacted anal glands” seeing as how they are always a “big pain in the ass to others.
Gatlin
#47. To: Gatlin (#46)
They act kinda like they are afflicted with the “Dog Chasing Tail Syndrome”
#48. To: misterwhite (#47)
#49. To: misterwhite (#45)
Both buildings survived the airplane impacts. It was the fire started on multiple floors ...
#50. To: A Pole (#49)
So what hit WTC7 building?
#51. To: GrandIsland (#35)
If you REALLY understood, you’d fucking leave too...
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#52. To: Deckard (#51)
What you are trying say is that the site needs more cop suckers
#53. To: misterwhite (#50)
"So what hit WTC7 building?"
#54. To: A Pole (#53)
(Edited)
-- "Interim Report on WTC 7" (PDF). Appendix L. National Institute of Standards and Technology. 2004. Archived from the original (PDF) on August 9, 2007.
#55. To: GrandIsland (#52)
You flat earth kook. lol
These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.
Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.
The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.
The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.
The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.
NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7′s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety“.
The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.
This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him).
Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.
This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch.
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oh and BTW...... at least 7 of the 19 alleged "hijackers" are still alive and well...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#56. To: misterwhite, A Pole (#54)
wtc.nist.gov
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#57. To: Deckard (#56)
metabunk.org
#58. To: ALL (#56)
Hahahahaha!!!
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]
#59. To: All (#57)
#60. To: GrandIsland (#35)
If you REALLY understood, [Deckard] you'd fucking leave ...
#61. To: Deckard (#55)
I don't subscribe to that theory
#62. To: Gatlin (#60)
Then we would lose our human punching bag.
#63. To: GrandIsland (#61)
… if we had poster that hated cops like you do …
Gatlin
#64. To: misterwhite, Gatlin, GrandIsland (#57)
metabunk.org
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.
#65. To: misterwhite (#54)
(Edited)
As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, damaging the south face of the building and starting fires
#66. To: Deckard. misterwhite, GrandIsland (#64)
(Edited)
Didn't bother to read the links, did you?
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]
#67. To: A Pole (#65)
What was the content of it?
#68. To: Deckard (#0)
Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower’s Collapse on 9/11
#69. To: misterwhite (#68)
So what did and where's the evidence?
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