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Title: Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower’s Collapse on 9/11, New Study Finds
Source: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
URL Source: https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7?fbc ... L0IDQYyB2d7IvRLn0Qb0pH4Q3b91iA
Published: Sep 4, 2019
Author: AE911Truth staff
Post Date: 2019-09-05 06:15:20 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 11271
Comments: 69

On September 11, 2001, at 5:20 PM, the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 collapsed into its footprint, falling more than 100 feet at the rate of gravity for 2.5 seconds of its seven-second destruction.

Despite calls for the evidence to be preserved, New York City officials had the building's debris removed and destroyed in the ensuing weeks and months, preventing a proper forensic investigation from ever taking place. Seven years later, federal investigators concluded that WTC 7 was the first steel-framed high-rise ever to have collapsed solely as a result of normal office fires.

Today, we at Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth are pleased to partner with the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) in releasing the draft report of a four-year computer modeling study of WTC 7’s collapse conducted by researchers in the university's Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering. The UAF WTC 7 report concludes that the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11 was caused not by fire but rather by the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower’s Collapse on 9/11

Uh, yeah, it did.

"Fires on Floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 burned out of control, because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system had failed. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city's water supply. Those water lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2."

"After 7 hours of uncontrolled fires, a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures to Floor 5. Column 79, no longer supported by a girder, buckled, triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure."

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-05   9:00:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

After 7 hours of uncontrolled fires

a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building

You would actually need a 'controlled fire' in order to cut steel. The fire would have to be highly concentrated, mixed carefully with oxygen under high pressure in order to even make a dent in steel. An acetylene torch (or nowadays, a plasma cutter) cuts steel.

Thermite will also cut or weld steel depending on what you want it to do.

An uncontrolled fire will not touch steel, which just begins to melt at 2500F.

watchman  posted on  2019-09-06   7:10:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: watchman (#2)

An uncontrolled fire will not touch steel, which just begins to melt at 2500F.

The steel doesn't need to melt, just soften, and it does that around 1,000°F (500°C).

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-06   9:14:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#3)

The steel doesn't need to melt, just soften, and it does that around 1,000°F (500°C).

I have yearly chimney fires that get hotter than that (1000-2000F). The flimsy pipe just glows red without any warping (it is scary though!).

Think about that massive beam hidden deep in the structure. You'd have to heat that beam (probably coated in fire retardant?) way beyond cherry to cause any movement. The joint, which is either welded or riveted, would then have to fail. The joint is designed not to fail, especially with mere warping. Multiple inspectors signed off on the joint as it was created.

The problem with heating, cutting or melting steel is that as you heat the surface, the heat is wicked away by the rest of the steel. Those beams in sky scrapers are massive, probably minimum 3/4 inch plate (although I don't have the exact specs). The possibility of getting any uniform heat into that beam by normal building fire is, well, impossible.

That's why I listen when the engineers speak. They know the exact specs, load capacity, deflection under every temperature, wind velocity, etc. You name it, they know it.

watchman  posted on  2019-09-06   11:38:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: watchman (#4)

The problem with heating, cutting or melting steel is that as you heat the surface, the heat is wicked away by the rest of the steel.

The fire burned for 7 hours.

"The flimsy pipe just glows red without any warping"

Was it supporting 100,000 tons?

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-06   12:07:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#5)

Was it supporting 100,000 tons?

That's an important factor. The building is an integral unit, all the pieces of the building supporting itself as one rigid structure. All that tonnage load would be distributed evenly, by architectural and engineering calculation.

Also, for one beam to move, first, there would have to be space for it to move to. And I'm not talking about some space created by a fire.

Think of how much effort it would take to extricate that beam and replace it. A huge void around the beam would need to be created. Other massive beams that are connected to the beam would need to be disconnected.

In other words, the beam and joint that we are told failed was not just sitting out in space, with a toasty fire heating it up to melting point. I say melting point because somewhere along the beam or joint there would need to be extensive cutting taking place.

watchman  posted on  2019-09-06   13:32:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: watchman (#6)

Also, for one beam to move, first, there would have to be space for it to move to.

It would soften and sag, causing the end to pull away from the support column.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-06   14:17:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite, Watchman (#7) (Edited)

Study: Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower’s Collapse on 9/11.
misterwhite: Uh, yeah, it did.
Watchman: An uncontrolled fire will not touch steel, which just begins to melt at 2500F.
misterwhite: The steel doesn't need to melt, just soften, and it does that around 1,000°F (500°C).
Watchman: The problem with heating, cutting or melting steel is that as you heat the surface, the heat is wicked away …
misterwhite: The fire burned for 7 hours.
Watchman: The flimsy pipe just glows red without any warping
misterwhite: Was it supporting 100,000 tons?
Watchman: That's an important factor.
Watchman:Also, for one beam to move, first, there would have to be space for it to move to.
misterwhite: It would soften and sag, causing the end to pull away from the support column.

Video:

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-07   2:13:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#13. To: Gatlin (#10)

At every step of the 'controlled fire' experiment they tell you that it does not replicate any situation in the WTC complex.

In fact they tell you important information that confirms what I basically knew: the WTC beams were massive, they were covered in fire retardant, the jet fuel was burned up in seconds.

The toothpick beam they show in the video is not connected at either end. It is given maximum room to move (warp). The fire was controlled and focused directly under the beam.

Not even close to being a true test of the WTC, but it looks convincing to the average American citizen looking for answers.

You should listen carefully to what the architects/engineers say (at great peril in losing their careers)

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