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Title: GOP lawmaker introduces bill to ban terror trials from civilian courts and NYC
Source: The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief ... s-from-civilian-courts-and-nyc
Published: Jan 28, 2010
Author: Jordan Fabian
Post Date: 2010-01-28 15:01:20 by Badeye
Keywords: None
Views: 5825
Comments: 38

GOP lawmaker introduces bill to ban terror trials from civilian courts and NYC By Jordan Fabian - 01/28/10 02:03 PM ET The ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee on Thursday introduced legislation that would prevent the 9/11 terror trials from taking place in New York City.

Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), who represents New York City suburbs on Long Island, told the Associated Press that his bill would cut off Justice Department funding for moving Guantanamo Bay detainees to civilian courts.

The Obama administration announced last year that it would hold a trial for so-called 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and four others in civilian courts in Manhattan.

King and other Republicans have long opposed the trial, saying that it could pose a security threat to New York City and that the suspects do not deserve the legal protections of civilian courts.

While most Democrats believe that the suspected terrorists should be tried in civilian courts, some top Democrats have recently voiced opposition to their New York City location.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Thursday they should be moved as did New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D).

"I am open for the trials to be moved to another appropriate place," Gillibrand said.

Sens. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) and Jim Webb (D-Va.) also signed a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder asking him to move the trials.

The Obama administration has stood behind the trials and their location in lower Manhattan.

It's not clear how much Democratic support King's bill could garner, since it is meant to prevent all civilian terror trials.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Perfect opportunity for bi partisanship that makes the nation safer, eliminates a propaganda win for al Qaeda, and saves the tax payers 2 BILLION DOLLARS per year related to the upcoming trial in NYC.

Wanna bet Democrats don't jump at this opportunity? Nor the White House?

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-28   15:02:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Badeye (#1)

Cowering in fear sends the right message to Al Qaeda?

go65  posted on  2010-01-28   15:03:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: go65 (#3)

Cowering in fear? By trying enemy combatants in a military tribunal?

How is that 'cowering in fear'? Its common sense, much better and cheaper security, and highly cost effective in comparision to Obama and Holder's ridiculous 'terrorist rights' insanity.

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-28   15:05:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Badeye (#4)

Cowering in fear? By trying enemy combatants in a military tribunal?

How is that 'cowering in fear'? Its common sense, much better and cheaper security, and highly cost effective in comparision to Obama and Holder's ridiculous 'terrorist rights' insanity.

The problem with military tribunals is crafting a system that's fair. However, if you've already decided that folks are guilty and are just looking for a show-trial, then military tribunals could be useful. However, due to supreme court rulings there isn't much of a difference anymore in rules between a military tribunal and a federal courts.

Meanwhile we've tried Ramsey Yusuf, Richard Reid, Jose Padilla, Sheik Abdul-Rahman, and Tim McVeigh in civilian courts without much of a problem.

This strikes me as another case of faux outrage. Nobody complained when Bush tried Reid and Padilla in civilian courts.

go65  posted on  2010-01-28   15:37:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: go65 (#7)

The problem with military tribunals is crafting a system that's fair.

Really? Please explain in specifics what you think is 'unfair' about a military tribunal.

I'm going to love reading your explanation, I just know it!

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-28   15:48:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#9)

Nobody complained when Bush tried Reid and Padilla in civilian courts.

Padilla was a US Citizen, wasn't he? And wasn't Reid also a Brit Citizen? We do have a series of treaties regarding Brits and trials here...Padilla goes without saying due to his status (if I'm right about the US Citizen).

The guy in question for the NYC trial has NO such treaties, nor is he an American citizen. He's an enemy combatant.

But hey, you can argue with Feinstein about it as well as with me, right?

Badeye  posted on  2010-01-28   15:51:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Badeye (#10)

Padilla was a US Citizen, wasn't he? And wasn't Reid also a Brit Citizen? We do have a series of treaties regarding Brits and trials here...Padilla goes without saying due to his status (if I'm right about the US Citizen).

I'm not sure what treaty you are referring to.

go65  posted on  2010-01-28   16:58:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#12)

Guantánamo Bay prisoner's letter claims he was witness to murders

Tania Branigan

A British man held at Guantánamo Bay has alleged that he saw US soldiers kill two men in Afghanistan.

Moazzam Begg, 36, who has been detained for 2 years without charge or trial, complains in the first letter from a serving inmate to describe severe mistreatment of having suffered "vindictive torture" and death threats, and implies that he has made a false confession.

His lawyers said yesterday that they believed he had been held in solitary confinement at the US military base in Cuba because he had seen the killing. He has had no contact with fellow prisoners since his arrival almost 600 days ago.

Although former detainees have alleged that they suffered extensive abuse and torture at Bagram in Afghanistan and Guantánamo, mail from the camp is heavily censored.

It is unclear why the Pentagon has cleared a document which makes such strong allegations of abuse.

Mr Begg's letter, which is labelled as a supplement to an earlier statement, was written in July and forwarded to his legal team earlier this week. He wrote it after learning that he would be given access to a lawyer.

The American lawyer who subsequently visited him could be jailed if she disclosed their discussions.

In his letter Mr Begg, who comes from Birmingham, said that he was a law-abiding Briton who had never met Osama bin Laden or joined al-Qaida or other paramilitary organisations.

He was arrested by Pakistani agents at his home in Islamabad and handed over to the Americans, who held him at Bagram in Afghanistan for a year and transferred him to Guantánamo Bay in February last year.

Mr Begg wrote: "During several interviews, particularly - though unexclusively - in Afghanistan, I was subjected to pernicious threats of torture, actual vindictive torture and death threats - amongst other coercively employed interrogation techniques."

He described signing a statement in early February 2003 "under threats of long-term imprisonment, summary trials and execution", and added: "Interviews were conducted in an environment of generated fear, resonant with terrifying screams of fellow detainees facing similar methods ...

"This culminated ... with the deaths of two fellow detainees at the hands of US military personnel, to which I myself was partially witness."

Two deaths at Bagram airbase have been classified as homicides and the autopsies indicated "blunt-force injuries", but it is thought that Mr Begg is referring to separate incidents.

The Pentagon said torture was prohibited at Guantá namo Bay and that all "credible allegations" of abuse were investigated, but would not elaborate on whether it considered Mr Begg's claims to be "credible".

war  posted on  2010-01-28   19:38:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: war (#14)

I think badeye was just making things up.

go65  posted on  2010-01-28   20:08:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#16. To: go65 (#15)

That's a Stop The Fucking Presses!!! moment...

/sarcasm

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