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Title: Why We Hate Cops
Source: THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE
URL Source: https://ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle582-20100808-05.html
Published: Aug 8, 2010
Author: Paul Bonneau
Post Date: 2019-09-01 11:57:47 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 4868
Comments: 58

It should come as no surprise to anyone that deranged cop hating is integrated into your nature and character with roots having long ago been implanted among your Paultard libertarian classless ilk – traced back through the years all the way to 2010 and even further beyond.

To validate my charge against you, I refer you to article published in The Libertarian Enterprise and titled: Why We Hate Cops.

The article follows:

I remember the first time I heard anyone in "regular" society express hatred for cops (I'm not counting "revolutionary" times back in the '60's which on retrospect appear not to have been very serious). It was a friend of mine, a fellow engineer, who happened to like going fast on motorcycles, and he was complaining about a ticket he'd gotten. I was a bit shocked to hear him say that. I had thought until then of cops basically as decent people with an important job to do, with maybe a few "bad apples". I was pretty naive back then.

I've gotten the impression lately that cops aren't getting very much support in Internet forums these days, even in places where in the past you'd find almost unqualified support. About everyone seems fed up with 'em.

I wondered why this should be. Why are they becoming so much more frequently scorned?

Is it because they are parasites, tax eaters? They are that, but I find this implausible; if only because 95% of the population is on the dole in some way. Government schools, Socialist Security, Medicare, farmer and rancher subsidies, corporate welfare, people working for war materiel suppliers, the list goes on and on. It's hard to imagine folks getting riled about that aspect. Miss Smith the friendly librarian is no different, and who hates her? Cops are a waste of tax dollars, but so is everything government does with tax dollars.

I think one reason cops are hated is that people generally don't like being scrutinized, and put under suspicion for minding their own business; they really, really don't like that. Cops are always checking you out, looking for a reason to "brace" you (an old meaning of the word that looks very useful these days).

The War on Some Drugs has to cause some hatred, as more and more peoples' lives are ruined by it. Indeed, this prison industry boondoggle has stained all aspects of the "Justice" system, not just cops.

Another reason is that cops are treated, and see themselves, as superior to the rest of us. In innumerable ways, cops are always given the benefit of the doubt; certainly legally, and also informally—although the latter seems to be fading a bit, as trust in cops fades. They are "The Only Ones", we are "mundanes", "proles", peons. They can lie to us, we can't lie to them; they can beat us up and torture us, but if we touch them it is "assault".

Along with this insufferable attitude is a self-regard that what they are about is important and good. I suppose everyone suffers from this malady, but usually it does not impact a person as it does when one runs into a cop in the throes of it. As C.S. Lewis put it, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good, will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." What are cops, if not "omnipotent moral busybodies"? At least when the Mafia runs a protection racket, they don't deceive themselves they are doing you a benefit. One appreciates the Mafia's honesty, in comparison.

Notice, all of the above applies to all cops, "good" and bad. Now, there is a significant fraction of rotten cops, and some departments are overrun with them. There are lots of cops who enjoy playing the bully. But do we hate cops because they are as imperfect as we are?

It's hard to say. On one hand, if a person agrees policing must be done, and that government must do it, then it would be somewhat irrational to fuss about a small percentage of bad cops (although getting them out—good luck—might be a reasonable aim). On the other hand, even for those who agree with these premises, it's one thing to talk about this theoretically—another thing entirely to watch a cop beating a pregnant woman on youtube.

There is one final reason to hate cops. All through history, every tyranny has used cops as its primary tool for sustaining that tyranny. They are the point of the government spear. And let's not deceive ourselves, although most "good" cops probably do deceive themselves about this—if we ever descended into a Nazi- or Stalinist-sized hellhole, few if any cops would resign. Some might feel bad about what they are doing, but they would never resign. Their livelihood comes first; it goes without saying. My guess though, is that this consideration does not enter peoples' minds when they are hating cops. It will if we decend into that hellhole, but not before.

People are questioning all sorts of government "benefits" these days, so it's not surprising cops are being questioned too. Looks like many folks are coming to the conclusion they are not worth the trouble.

Maybe it's just a return to sanity. Cops had it pretty good in this country for a long, long time. My impression, in talking to foreigners, is that cops are normally assumed to be crooks and thugs. Maybe we're just finally opening our eyes.

Salute,
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]

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A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-01   12:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-01   12:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-01   12:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#0)

All through history, every tyranny has used cops as its primary tool for sustaining that tyranny. They are the point of the government spear. And let's not deceive ourselves, although most "good" cops probably do deceive themselves about this—if we ever descended into a Nazi- or Stalinist-sized hellhole, few if any cops would resign. Some might feel bad about what they are doing, but they would never resign.

Excellent point, thanks.

I'd add that probably 70% to 90% of cops will go door to door and confiscate guns when they are told to do so.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-01   12:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#3) (Edited)

The
Deputy Was Exonerated Of Any Wrongdoing After
An Internal Investigation

Do Not Frighten The Policeman

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-01   12:27:22 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Gatlin (#0)

There's not a lot more to say, and it's plain where all of this is going with the contrived major shootings and the horseshit red flag campaign in full swing.

RED FLAG INSANITY: Pro-Trump Former Marine Has Guns Confiscated to Protect ANTIFA Terrorists

Red flag laws mean patriots will be disarmed.

Published 1 day ago on Aug 31, 2019 By Shane Trejo

A Trump supporter in Oregon was stripped of his firearms under the state’s red flag laws for declaring that his rights wouldn’t be trampled upon by ANTIFA terrorists who have rampaged throughout Portland during the summer.

“If ANTIFA gets to the point where they start killing us, I’m going to kill them next,” said Shane Kohfield, a 32-year-old former Marine. “I’d slaughter them and I have a detailed plan on how I would wipe out ANTIFA.”

This statement triggered the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task to revoke Kohfield’s 2nd Amendment rights and take his firearms away. In addition, they forced the former marine to spend 20 days in a veterans’ hospital as well.

Law enforcement admits that Kohfield never committed any criminal actions or charged with any crimes, but that didn’t prevent his rights from being stripped from him anyway.

The feds, who refuse to prosecute deep state cretins like James Comey but devote excessive resources to profiling and demonizing gun owners, are patting themselves on the back for targeting this veteran with pre-crime measures.

“Clearly, this latest incident shows how effective proactive policing can be in blah, blah, blah . . .

bigleaguepolitics.com/red...-trump-former-marine-has- guns-confiscated-to-protect-antifa-terrorists/

randge  posted on  2019-09-01   17:04:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#3)

I appreciate your posting the following three videos as a response to the title of the article: “Why We Hate Cops.”
1. Police Beating Unarmed Man In Mesa, Arizona | NBC News
2. Alleged Police Beating Caught on Tape; Officers Suspended
3. Video Shows Sacramento Police Officer Beating Pedestrian
There can be do doubt there are bad cops. And of course, when a bad cop does something wrong, then it immediately makes the news – while the outstanding performance of all other officers seldom make the news.

It is unfortunate that the “bad apples” cast a dark shadow over the integrity of all law enforcement officers – however, experts say the number of police officers who run afoul of the laws they’re sworn to uphold is low.

In fact, Neal Trautman, executive director of the National Institute of Ethics and author of How to be a Great Cop said: “we’re finding the numbers are pretty constant, It is less than 1 percent.”

I have also read that the less than 1% is lower than other professions.

The reason it looks like more cops are bad is that every incident, even before facts are available to supply proof of anything, the “bad cop” incident is broadcast all over the news. While many to most of the cases are false, it is the few bad cop idiots make the entire profession look bad. After all the sensationalism surrounding allegations of about a bad cop, the news rarely comes back on to tell you that the officer was found not guilty or it was a false accusation. And if the news does report this exoneration and innocence after a court trial., the cop-haters are cocked in the ready position to start screaming: See, the blue wall of silence [also blue code and blue shield] got the guilty bastards off – I told you that it always happens.

It is most unfortunate that we can never have 100% “good Cops.”

Shockingly – at least to some people – is that the 9 most hated professions are:

01 Dentists
02 Stock Traders
03 School Principals
04 Used Car Salesmen
05 Lawyers
06 Tax Examiners
07 TV News Anchors
08 Politicians
09 Nurses
Nowhere amonh the top nine listed are police officers to be found. It can be considered to be most ironic that Deckard works full time in support of the seventh most hated profession yet he spends all of his time researching bad cop articles to post.

While you were selective of course in your choice of videos in an attempt to answer the title of the thread, I am submitting a few of the videos showing good cops in action – And the videos that Deckard never posts:

And there are many, many more videos like these showing good cops in daily action …

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-01   18:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: randge (#6)

There's not a lot more to say …
Yes, there is – There definitely a lot more to say.

So, let us begin to say it with this:

Former Marine said he’d ‘slaughter’ antifa. The FBI, using Oregon’s new red flag law, took his guns away.

Shane Kohfield stood outside the home of Portland’s mayor in July wearing body armor and a “Make America Great Again” baseball cap, a large knife strapped to one shoulder and a copy of his concealed weapons permit displayed on the other.

Using a loudspeaker, he warned the right-wing activists who turned out to condemn the city’s handling of recent violent demonstrations that they needed to protect themselves against their anti- fascist, or antifa, rivals.

“If antifa gets to the point where they start killing us, I’m going to kill them next,” Kohfield, 32, said. “I’d slaughter them and I have a detailed plan on how I would wipe out antifa.”

That threat pushed the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task to take a series of extraordinary steps against Kohfield, including temporary seizure of a cache of his firearms under Oregon’s new “red flag” law aimed at preventing gun violence, The Oregonian/OregonLive has learned.

The task force also had the ex-Marine committed to a veterans’ hospital in Portland. He spent the next 20 days there.

The moves came as city officials and law enforcement prepared for potentially violent clashes Aug. 17 during a right-wing rally and counterprotests planned in downtown Portland that had become inflamed with incendiary political rhetoric nationwide. Police worried that they would end in catastrophe.

Though Kohfield wasn’t accused or charged with any crimes, police took no chances and prevented him from attending the rally as he repeatedly had promised to do on social media after his confrontation at Mayor Ted Wheeler’s house.

The episode shows that federal law enforcement may be beginning to take a more aggressive tack toward potential political threats, said Michael German, a retired FBI agent and fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School.

“Clearly, this latest incident shows how effective proactive policing can be in reducing the chance of violence,” said German, who has monitored political street clashes in Portland and other parts of the country over the last few years.

“It also makes you wonder if they’d been proactive from beginning whether all of this would have grown into the menace it has become.”

The FBI declined to provide additional details about the case or answer questions submitted by The Oregonian/OregonLive.

“The Portland JTTF’s role is to assess, address, and mitigate any given threat against the people of Oregon appropriately,” Beth Anne Steele, a spokeswoman for the bureau’s Portland office said in an email Friday.

“Sometimes that mitigation takes the form of criminal prosecution, and sometimes it involves a holistic response, including consultation with threat assessment teams or others to divert a person before a significant violent crime occurs.”

***

Kohfield, who spoke with The Oregonian/OregonLive, suffers from bipolar disorder and post- traumatic stress disorder, medical records show.

He returned home Tuesday from the VA hospital and maintains he never planned to hurt or maim other people. But he understands why he alarmed police.

“I looked unhinged. I looked dangerous and have the training to be dangerous,” said Kohfield, who lives with his father in Canby and receives disability payments for physical and psychological injuries he sustained during two tours of duty in Iraq.

By leveling vicious warnings, Kohfield said, he hoped to deter others from causing physical harm.

“I figured that the key to de-escalating the situation was to not be the most violent person in the room,” he said. “It was to be the scariest person in the room.”

A supporter of President Donald Trump, Kohfield said he isn’t affiliated with Patriot Prayer, the Proud Boys or other right-wing groups that have organized marches and demonstration throughout Portland over the last 2 ½ years, some that have devolved into bloody brawls and riots.

His protest activity, he said, has been limited to the event outside the mayor’s house and a right-wing rally last fall in downtown Portland, both organized by local conservative activist Haley Adams.

“I was watching on the news that city of Portland did nothing to protect the people against antifa,” Kohfield said. “I figured I’d show up to protect these people.”

***

By the time he popped up at the mayor’s house, Kohfield was already on the FBI’s radar.

He had landed there in March after he sent a letter to Texas Rep. Dan Crenshaw, a first-term Republican congressman and former Navy Seal, according court documents filed in Clackamas County.

The five-page letter, included in the court filings, accused Portland’s mayor and police of permitting anti-fascist activists to commit “savage attacks” against conservatives at protests, including the November rally where Kohfield said he was assaulted by masked demonstrators.

Kohfield told Crenshaw that Congress needed to take immediate steps to declare antifa a terrorist organization. Otherwise, he and other veterans would have no choice but to begin systematically killing antifa members “until we have achieved genocide.”

Kohfield included a detailed outline of how he would carry out the mission, which he argued would be legally justified if the federal government refused to act.

The U.S. Capitol Police shared the letter with the FBI’s Portland office, which assigned the case to a Clackamas County sheriff’s deputy serving on the area’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, court records show.

Deputy Jeremy Stinson interviewed Kohfield and his father at their home in April, according to the court documents.

Stinson learned Kohfield had served in the Marines and kept guns in the house. Kohfield told the deputy he would defend himself the next time members of antifa attacked him.

***

Nearly four months after the visit, the deputy was notified that Portland police had opened a non-criminal inquiry known as a threat investigation in response to the remarks Kohfield made July 20 at the mayor’s house.

“I can’t say that he won’t kill someone,” Kohfield’s father told Portland police during their investigation, according to court records.

He also told police that his son was taking medication for bipolar disorder, drinking heavily and had become increasingly agitated.

“(Kohfield’s father) provided that Shane was really upset by Portland’s ‘liberal government’ and the state of the federal government,” the court documents read.

Stinson included all these details in a July 25 affidavit seeking an “extreme risk protection order” against Kohfield, which a judge approved the same day.

Such protection orders, introduced in Oregon in 2018, allow authorities to pry guns from people not convicted of a crime who show signs they might shoot themselves or someone else.

Each protection order stands for a year but can be extended indefinitely. Those who have their guns taken away can appeal the decision.

Judges statewide received 122 extreme risk protection order petitions through July 2019 and granted 98 of them, said Phil Lemman, Oregon’s acting deputy state court administrator. Kohfield’s is only the sixth approved in Clackamas County, records show.

According to court documents and Kohfield, law enforcement officers served him with the order on Aug. 7 while he was visiting family in central Oregon.

***

It’s not clear why law enforcement waited nearly two weeks to serve the order, but they did so only days after a pair of deadly mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3 and Dayton, Ohio, the following day.

Kohfield, who was unarmed, said at least a dozen officers stopped him while he was leaving a relative’s home outside Prineville.

Officers said they planned to take Kohfield to the VA hospital in Portland. He said they then served him with the protection order.

“I was told that I didn’t have a choice,” he said. “The cops were great. They were respectful and compassionate.”

Kohfield said he was placed under psychiatric observation for five days. He said that he then volunteered to remain at the VA hospital for another two weeks.

According to Lemman, the state court administrator, Kohfield surrendered an AR-15, a pistol, a rifle and a shotgun.

The ex- Marine said he is done with attending protests or political demonstrations in Portland.

“I have done everything I can possibly do to keep both sides from killing each other,” he said. “As long as they keep duking it out like this, it will achieve nothing.”

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-01   19:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard (#4)

All through history, every tyranny has used cops as its primary tool for sustaining that tyranny. They are the point of the government spear. And let's not deceive ourselves, although most "good" cops probably do deceive themselves about this—if we ever descended into a Nazi- or Stalinist-sized hellhole, few if any cops would resign. Some might feel bad about what they are doing, but they would never resign.

Excellent point, thanks.

Yes it is when the point is stated so as to be only applicable for tyrants.
Definition of tyrant: An absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution.

We have no absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution in American and we never will.

You need to remember the premise of the statement, which is:

… if we ever descended into a Nazi- or Stalinist-sized hellhole ….
Since that is never going to happen, you can therefore place a cap on your wildly rebellious anti-government fantasies.

I'd add that probably 70% to 90% of cops will go door to door and confiscate guns when they are told to do so.

Nah – No way. Things are what they are and not what you want to believe they are.

Besides you always have your glorious Oath Keepers to prevent tyranny, right?

Well maybe not – has anyone heard anything from or about them lately?

LOL - Oath Keepers ...

Salute,
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-01   20:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#6)

In addition, they forced the former marine to spend 20 days in a veterans’ hospital as well.
This statement is untrue. While he was committed to the VA hospital for observation, he spent the last 14 days there voluntarily to receive medical attention for both his bipolar disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder

Shane Kohfield’s stay there may have been of personal benefit to him. Read his 478 page medical record here and you can form an opinion as to whether the stay was beneficial to him or not.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-02   2:22:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge (#6) (Edited)

“Clearly, this latest incident shows how effective proactive policing can be in blah, blah, blah . . .
Don’t stop there because you left out the part where he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder. [And not mentioned in the article you are posting from is the fact that he also suffers from bipolar disorder and had a head injury].

So, let’s pick up and continue with the article from where your “blah, blah, blah” ended:

“[…] reducing the chance of violence,” retired FBI agent Michael German said. “It also makes you wonder if they’d been proactive from beginning whether all of this would have grown into the menace it has become.”

“The Portland JTTF’s role is to assess, address, and mitigate any given threat against the people of Oregon appropriately,” wrote Beth Anne Steele, a spokeswoman for the FBI’s Portland office in an email.

“Sometimes that mitigation takes the form of criminal prosecution, and sometimes it involves a holistic response, including consultation with threat assessment teams or others to divert a person before a significant violent crime occurs,” Steele added.

Kohfield, who fought two tours of duty in Iraq and suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of serving his country, felt he was responding to a domestic threat posed by ANTIFA that is being aided and abetted by Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler. He participated in a protest outside of Wheeler’s house in July.

“I was watching on the news that city of Portland did nothing to protect the people against ANTIFA,” Kohfield said. “I figured I’d show up to protect these people.”

Kohfield said he was assaulted by masked ANTIFA terrorists during a protest he attended last November, and addressed a letter to Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) warning the Congressman of a likely civil war that will break out if this violent, anti-American organization is not shut down.

The ex-marine was compliant with law enforcement, who he says he has no problems with after they took his guns while enforcing the red flag laws.

“I was told that I didn’t have a choice,” Kohfield said. “The cops were great. They were respectful and compassionate.”

He does not plan to attend any more rallies against ANTIFA or Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, believing that the cause of de-escalating tensions is hopeless at this point. “I have done everything I can possibly do to keep both sides from killing each other,” Kohfield said. “As long as they keep duking it out like this, it will achieve nothing.”

The only thing that will stop the violence is President Donald Trump declaring ANTIFA to be a domestic terrorist organization at the federal level, not the enforcement of unconstitutional red flag laws that render those who have defended our nation’s freedom helpless.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/red-flag-insanity-pro-trump-former-marine-has- guns-confiscated-to-protect-antifa-terrorists/

While the information is these articles is never complete, it is still best to present for consideration all the information that is available.

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-02   2:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#7)

Shockingly – at least to some people – is that the 9 most hated professions are:
01 Dentists
02 Stock Traders
03 School Principals
04 Used Car Salesmen
05 Lawyers
06 Tax Examiners
07 TV News Anchors
08 Politicians
09 Nurses

However, none of them have a license to kill with impunity.

Cops do, and they are often rewarded for it.

Phillip Brailsford was acquitted of murder for a shooting captured on video that subsequently drew national outrage. Now he's getting paid for it.

You remember this guy Brailsford who killed Daniel Shaver don't you?

Brailsford ordered Shaver, who was unarmed, out into the hallway on his knees and ordered him to crawl in their direction while keeping his hands up, and they continued to bark confusing orders at him. As Shaver, clearly terrified, attempted to comply, at one point he gestured behind himself, possibly to pull up his pants, and Brailsford immediately opened fire, killing him.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-02   6:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Gatlin, GrandIsland (#9)

LOL - Oath Keepers ...

I once believed in Oath Keepers.

Then I realized that much of what they were saying was that they intended to break their oaths in service of what they saw as a higher constitutional duty. As each one of them see their duty, and making minute-by-minute decisions about what is and is not constitutional and what constitutes lawful orders. But if you are police or professional military, you are, to your employer, inherently unstable and unworthy if you will not execute orders lawfully given to you by your lawful superiors. Some things do require teamwork and a willingness and readiness to just follow orders and do your damned job.

So I believed in Oath Keepers. At least for a few weeks when they first started up. Then I realized how phony the entire thing had to be. And it was. You can't allow people to exercise that much choice, minute-by-minute, in how they perform dangerous team-related tasks under supervision and in very tense fluid situations. It doesn't work and can't work when you are engaged in life-and-death situations. Either you take orders and follow orders and execute them to the best of your ability or you're just a Lone Ranger, out there calling balls and strikes by your own standards (which your employment status and training does not entitle you to). And it just doesn't work in team-related activities. Unlike Tonto, you can't rely on the Lone Ranger to ride over the hill to save the day. You're much better off with the guys who are part of a supervised and trained safety team. Like cops or firefighters or soldiers. Imperfect as they may be, they are still the guys you want when you're in trouble.

And then some meanspirited cophater-hater like you, Gatlin, comes along and tries to rub my nose in false premise of Oath Keepers.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-02   7:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Gatlin (#10)

Shane Kohfield’s stay there may have been of personal benefit to him. Read his 478 page medical record here and you can form an opinion as to whether the stay was beneficial to him or not.

Kohfield is a timely case with the public over this red flag issue.

It seems to me that his story has been promoted in order to promote and justify red flag laws to the public.

Even if we grant that Kohfield was a proper exercise of red flag law effectiveness (which is the intent of the gun-hating media in promoting hte story), that doesn't validate all uses of red flag laws. But the goal is not to convince the public to accept all red flag laws: it is to establish red flag laws as precedent in state and federal courts, to convince the last judges and advocates who still do defend rights to stop doing so in their courtrooms, etc.

Kohfield is a real person in a real situation and he was in trouble with the drinking and drugs. But that doesn't automatically whitewash every application of red flag laws to other people.

Kohfield may also have incentive to cooperate and be a judas goat to other gunowners. If he made so much as a single false statement to the FBI, he can be charged for that and sent to prison. IOW, as much as his life got turned upside down, the FBI could turn his life into a total nightmare, right up to him getting a new roommate in a prison named Bubba. So this might explain how much Kohfield is willing to cover for the FBI and for the use of these red flag laws. Certainly, Kohfield seems to have had his balls chopped off somewhere between the time he wrote to congresscritter Crenshaw and his later statements about how maybe it was fine for them to take his guns and commit him for observation because of his drinking and drug use.

It is all a very tidy propaganda operation. And in a country of 350M people, the numbers alone guarantee you can find people like Kohfield to make a useful example of so you can implement your agenda which would otherwise be widely resisted by the public and by some judges and legal scholars.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-02   7:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, Gatlin, GrandIsland (#5)

I'll point out that Sheriff Andy never let Deputy Barney have more than one bullet in his gun. Sometimes not even that much.

So it was something that such a popular and wholesome show for the kiddies had one cop who could be trusted with a gun (but never used it) and a deputy who couldn't be trusted with more than one bullet and sometimes not even that (and was a terrible shot to boot).

There are reasons why some of these shows are memorable and durable.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-02   7:17:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative, Gatlin (#15)

I'll point out that Sheriff Andy never let Deputy Barney have more than one bullet in his gun. Sometimes not even that much.

As I recall, the bullet was kept in Barney's shirt pocket.

"Barney" sure has changed. So has "Andy".

Deadly U.S. Police Culture: Barney Fife Thinks He’s the Punisher

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-02   7:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#15)

Truthfully in reality Barney should have been fired for firing his gun like that all those times.

I know it's just a TV show.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-02   7:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Deckard (#16)

If a cop in real life acted like Barney you would want him fired for his clumsiness and wreckless handling of a gun.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-02   7:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

If a cop in real life acted like Barney you would want him fired for his clumsiness and wreckless handling of a gun.

Of course I would, wouldn't you?

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-02   8:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deckard (#19)

Of course I would, wouldn't you?

Yes but you seem to hold him up as an example of how police should behave.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-02   8:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

Yes but you seem to hold him up as an example of how police should behave.

He was a fictional bumbling fool who couldn't handle a weapon. Not exemplary behavior to be sure - but he never actually shot someone or a family pet.

I would like to see more cops like Andy though and fewer like Rambo.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-02   9:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)

Deckard's problem isn't with the cops. It's with the laws they enforce.

But it's easier to criticize the cops rather than change the laws. End of story.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-09-02   9:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#22)

But it's easier to criticize the cops rather than change the laws. End of story.

Why is it so hard to change laws? It seems like the function of the constitution has been altered and now we have unconstitutional things set in stone with now way to change them.

Once the Supreme court sets precedents and alters the true meaning of the constitution. It is almost impossible to change things back. Because of 12 people who are honestly exercising power they were never given. They usurped that power if we are all honest with ourselves. So it is kind like those "checks and balances" we hear about are now being used to make it hard or impossible to get back to the true meaning of the constitution. So even when a clear majority want something it can be undone by dishonest judges. Prop 187 in California for example. The Americans voted to not give benefits to illegals. They stood up and did something. But a Judge said the will of the people wasn't allowed and they ruined California and it is ruining the rest of us now.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-02   10:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite (#22)

But it's easier to criticize the cops rather than change the laws. End of story.

The videos I posted above are not because the cops were enforcing laws we don't like. They the police themselves were breaking the law and abusing citizens. So it isn't really the end of the story but just a chapter, part of the story.

Lots of the problem is from police abusing their power and breaking the law themselves. Then they get away with it because they are the police. You act like that doesn't happen or it is extremely rare. People are sinners and the police abuse their power a lot. Just like any person would. Or any nation.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-02   10:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Deckard (#12)

However, none of [9 most hated professions] have a license to kill with impunity.
… “license to kill” …

Once again – and yet another in the multitude of times – you have misapplied an adjective phrase when you str attempting to make relevant the very well known phrase “a license to kill” that is used as a “literary device” in “espionage fiction.”

So, – DEEP SIGH – you have performed the act in this instance of applying an adjective phrase incorrectly to improperly describe a situation in order to further so horrifically promote your cop-hating agenda motive.

It is only in novels and movies that a “license to kill” is used as the official sanction by either a government to allow “one particular operative” – a James Bond type – to initiate the use of lethal force in the delivery of the government’s objective.

Therefore, Deckard, your use of this all to familiar literary device that is often times used in espionage fiction was grossly misused here.

Cops do [kill with impunity], and they are often rewarded for it.
Oh, but for sure they do – many times over in movies and novels. And sometimes renowned actors do receive millions of dollars for the portrayal of cops with “license to kill” in movies.
You remember this guy Brailsford who killed Daniel Shaver don't you?
Yes, of course. As I also remember that I kicked you ass to hell and back all over the thread where you were once again trying to promote your cop-hating agenda.
Phillip Brailsford was acquitted of murder …
Yes, he was.
… a shooting captured on video that subsequently drew national outrage.
This is yet another of your gross exaggerations where you are making a statement that represents something to be worse than it really was.

Because “national outrage” is clearly defined as …

… anything that strongly offends, insults, or affronts the feelings. a powerful feeling of resentment or anger aroused by something perceived as an injury, insult, or injustice that seized the ENTIRE NATION at the news of it.
Stop with the bullshit – the shooting definitely did not capture the attention of the “entire nation.”
Now he's getting paid for it.
Not the way you think. Had you performed some follow up research instead of grabbing onto one of your catalogued copy and paste links, you would have learned that he is being paid his retirement pay:
The Mesa police officer who was fired after shooting and killing an unarmed man at a La Quinta Inn in January 2016 was rehired by the Mesa Police Department more than two years later and is now medically retired -- and drawing a pension.
You go on and say:
… to kill with impunity.
I guess you can say that, but you need to add:
Impunity is to defined as the exemption from punishment by the DECISION of a JURY after his COURT TRAIL where he was found – NOT GULITY
In fact, you already ADMITTED this when you posted that: “Phillip Brailsford was ACQUITTED of murder” [by a JURY].

Deckard, all of this goes to show you that you never “THINK” – you only always “REACT” and mostly you “OVER REACT.”

What you did in your post to me here is something you commonly do. Which was to grab onto an old overused trite phrase, then look quickly in the VAST library of your catalogued copy and paste links to think “oh, this one fits” and then far to speedily write your post.

Shame on you …

You definitely need to STOP REACTING and to START THINKING - You libertarian asshole.

Salute,
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]

Deckard, please let me know if you read this entire post - Thank you.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-02   10:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite, Deckard, A K A Stone (#22)

Deckard's problem isn't with the cops. It's with the laws they enforce.

But it's easier to criticize the cops rather than change the laws. End of story.

Damn ...

This is so truthful - I wish I had posted it.

Thanks ...

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-02   10:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#26)

My post 24 defeated the premise that you wish you posted.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-09-02   10:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#24)

The videos I posted above are not because the cops were enforcing laws we don't like. They the police themselves were breaking the law and abusing citizens.
That is true.

But in posting – as you did - only those 3 videos you were then presenting a biased partial picture that could be taken by the ill-informed and stupid as a representation of actions by all cops and not the less that 1%.

You may have noticed that I then tried to balance your biased presentation by showing numerous videos of the other more that 99% of actions by all other cops.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-02   10:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone, misterwhite (#27)

My post 24 defeated the premise that you wish you posted.
Your post was I ill-conceived and wrongly portrayed a gross misrepresentation because you presented only partial facts and therefore you very spastically presented a small sampling of information upon which you expected other to reach a conclusion.

While it is true that less than 1% of cops are bad and action should be taken against them – it is however imperative that for people to get and understand both sides, you need to show the other more that 99% of the force that are officers performing their assigned dury as they are expected to.

There will never be a 100% perfect law enforcement mechanism.

It is unfortunate that we are destined to live with the less than 1% bad cops while they will continually be weeded out.

To constantly post anti-cop articles and videos will serve absolutely no purpose to that end.

I yield back the remainder of my time to misterwhite – I hve to go now.

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-02   10:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#23)

Why is it so hard to change laws?

I will still take time to quickly answer your question before I go.

The answer to your questions is ...

... because we have inept politicians who seek political power and personal monetary gain more than they seek results that satisfy citizens of this great Republic.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-02   11:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Tooconservative (#13)

I once believed in Oath Keepers.
I never did. Surely you will recall that from my posting at the time.
And then some meanspirited cophater-hater like you, Gatlin, comes along and tries to rub my nose in false premise of Oath Keepers.
Oh dear God, I sincerely hope that I not only tried but that I successfully performed admirably in that grave undertaking – and that I contributed immensely to your education.

But there was nothing mean spirited in me while performing the much needed and well deserved “rubbing,” For I was never motivated by cruelty nor did I ever intend to be hurtful – I was merely performing a civic duty and doing it with the positive social force that bound me to the courses of action so demanded by that force.

Salute,
Gatlin

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-02   13:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: misterwhite (#22)

But it's easier to criticize the cops rather than change the laws. End of story.

Absofuckingloutly. Spot on.

GrandIsland  posted on  2019-09-02   20:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin (#25)

As I also remember that I kicked you ass to hell and back all over the thread

Still suffering from delusions of adequacy, eh Gatslime?

Because “national outrage” is clearly defined as …

… anything that strongly offends, insults, or affronts the feelings. a powerful feeling of resentment or anger aroused by something perceived as an injury, insult, or injustice that seized the ENTIRE NATION at the news of it.

If you're not outraged by this, then you have no soul, no empathy, no humanity.

That you defend this only further displays your servile worship of all things cop.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-03   5:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#33) (Edited)

If you're not outraged by this …

Outrage is is defined as an extremely strong response of uncontrolled anger and emotional hostility. Unlike you, I never react to anything with uncontrolled anger and emotional hostility. I am mentally mature and use rational thinking to react with clear thought and good judgment. Furthermore, it would be idiotic for me to react without being able to take a contrary course of action that would alleviate the condition or solve the problem I was confronting.

So, I ask, Deckard, what are doing about the “bad cop” problem that controls your mind? Oh, right – you are diligently and predictability showing up each morning on LF to post a few articles you searched for and found on the internet that shows some bad actions by of a couple of bad cops out of the almost 800,000 full time sworn personnel.

Attaboy, you go Deckard – You da man!!!

Deckard, it is well known to everyone on this forum that you continually express great forceable anger and outrage over actions by bad cops and that you go after them with vigorous impetuosity. You have done so for over 10 years.

… for over 10 years …

Wow, just WOW.

A few bad cops doing some evil things is of course wrong.

I wish to call to your attention to something you can direct your unbridled anger towards – something that is far more wrong than what a few bad cops are doing. In fact, the wrong I am about to address is grossly immoral and morally bad. It is truly wicked, sinful, despicable and so nefariously iniquitous that you need to redirect your anger towards it.

Just look at the shocking fact that …

”… a new survey has found that nearly 1 in 4 obstetricians and gynecologists provide abortions.” A total of 638,169 abortions were reported last year. This means that 1,748 babies are murdered each day in this country.

I understand that anger is a normal and natural emotion. But I also know that when anger is directed towards a source of lesser importance, that in our society it is often correctly referred to as "displaced anger." Ensuring that anger is directed towards the right and the appropriate source is paramount.

In conclusion, I am here today to ask you where is your outrage about abortions and to submit an Impassioned plea that you take the time and effort you devote to ferreting out and posting articles about bad cops – to redirect the passionate vehemence anger you have towards them and move it towards the 1 in 4 obstetricians and gynecologists who are killing 1,748 babies each and every day in America.

This is a call for action. It is something you can do – the question is, will you?

… 1,748 babies will be murdered in this country today …

Uh, how many bad cops have you discovered today?

Salute,
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-03   8:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Gatlin (#34)

In conclusion, I am here today to ask you where is your outrage about abortions

I've made my beliefs known about abortion on this forum numerous times.

I am firmly pro-life.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-03   8:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin (#34)

Uh, how many bad cops have you discovered today?

Does this count?

Sheriff Mistakes Innocent Man for Suspect, Dumps 10 Rounds Into Him—NO CHARGES

Wrong color and type of truck, yet this psycho cop nearly killed an innocent man.

I'm sure you'll find some convoluted and delusional way to excuse this trigger-happy sociopath.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-03   8:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Deckard (#35)

I've made my beliefs known about abortion on this forum numerous times.
How often have you done that – as expressed in a ration between your making your beliefs know about abortion and your expression of anger against bad cops?

It is such a nebulous ratio that it is so small that it is incalculable, right?

right?

“There's nothing inherently wrong with experiencing anger, but ensuring that anger is directed towards a more appropriately deserving source should be of paramount importance.”

1,748 babies will be murdered in this country today

Uh, Deckard, how many bad cops are you angry at today?

Salute,
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-03   8:54:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Deckard (#36) (Edited)

Uh, how many bad cops have you discovered today?

Does this count?

Sheriff Mistakes Innocent Man for Suspect, Dumps 10 Rounds Into Him—NO CHARGES

Ever so proudly do you post that while ignoring the fact that 1,748 babies will be murdered in this country today by abortion.

Shameful … so pathetically shameful.

Salute,
Gatlin
[AKA: Parsons]

Gatlin  posted on  2019-09-03   9:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin (#37)

How often have you done that

Asked and answered.

Numerous times.

Stop being an idiot.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-03   9:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Gatlin (#38)

Ever so proudly do you post that while ignoring the fact that 1,748 babies will be murdered in this country today by abortion.

Not ignoring anything strawman.

Shameful … so pathetically shameful.

What's shameful is you trying to portray me as pro-abortion.

Typical Gatslime ploy.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-09-03   9:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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