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Title: PA man convicted of firing ‘finger gun’ at neighbor
Source: From The Trenches
URL Source: https://fromthetrenchesworldreport. ... -finger-gun-at-neighbor/253427
Published: Aug 30, 2019
Author: Victor Skinner
Post Date: 2019-08-31 14:33:55 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 944
Comments: 15

American Mirror – by Victor Skinner

A Pennsylvania man was fined $100, plus court costs, for waving a finger gun at his neighbor, who reportedly felt “extremely threatened” by the ordeal.

The incident occurred last June when 64-year-old Manor Township resident Stephen Kirchner was walking in his neighborhood with a female neighbor and a homeowner who had a simmering dispute with the woman flipped him two middle fingers, he told police.

Court records allege Kirchner then “stopped, made eye contact with (the male neighbor) and then made a hand gesture at him imitating the firing and recoiling of a gun,” Fox News reports.

The pretend shooting was caught on cameras installed by the homeowner as part of the dispute with Kirchner’s female companion, who was also the subject of a no-contact order, according to WGAL.

The gesture allegedly made the targeted neighbor feel “extremely threatened,” while another who witnessed the reckless finger firing told police she also felt “insecure” about the situation and called 911.

Police issued Kirchner a citation for disorderly conduct and he was convicted in January after testifying in his own defense. Kirchner did not deny he made the gesture, but said it was in response to the neighbor who “gave (him) the finger with both hands,” according to court records.

Kirchner appealed the conviction and “argued on appeal that the gesture did not cause a hazardous or physical offensive condition, that he did not intend to cause public alarm, and that there essentially was no harm done to the victim or society,” according to a statement from the DA’s office to WGAL.

The Superior Court of Pennsylvania on Tuesday disagreed with Kirchner’s argument and concluded he did create a “hazardous condition” when he popped off his finger gun because it “risked an altercation.”

“… Kirchner … approached (the neighbor) in his own backyard, created a gun-like hand gesture, pointed it at (the neighbor), and made a recoil motion as if to suggest he had shot him,” according to the court ruling. “This act served no legitimate purpose, and recklessly risked provoking a dangerous situation.”

The court found Kirchner “did, in fact, cause public alarm, annoyance or inconvenience” because the neighbor “felt extremely threatened and (the neighbor witness) felt insecure enough following her observation of the incident that she called emergency services.

“The (lower) court concluded that Kirchner’s conduct ‘caused the very harm sought to be prevented by the law defining the offense’” and the Superior Court could “discern no abuse of discretion of this analysis,” according to the ruling.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Court records allege Kirchner then “stopped, made eye contact with (the male neighbor) and then made a hand gesture at him imitating the firing and recoiling of a gun,” Fox News reports.

The pretend shooting was caught on cameras installed by the homeowner as part of the dispute with Kirchner’s female companion, who was also the subject of a no-contact order, according to WGAL.

Kinda stupid to make handgun gestures toward someone who already has a non-contact court order against you. The gesture can never be a friendly one in any way.

There's more to this story of hostile neighbors than we are reading in this article.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-31   14:38:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative, GrandIsland (#1)

Kinda stupid to make handgun gestures toward someone who already has a non-contact court order against you.

It was Elaine Natore who had a "no-contact" order against Klingseisen.

http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Superior/out/j-s28020-19m%20-%2010411912776155120.pdf

Josh Klingseisen was mulching in his backyard when Kirchner and Klingseisen’s neighbor, Elaine Natore, walked through an alley that runs behind Klingseisen’s yard to Natore’s residence. Kirchner stopped, made eye contact with Klingseisen, and then made a hand gesture at him imitating the firing and recoiling of a gun.

The incident was video-recorded by Klingseisen,2 who had previously installed six security cameras at his home due to ongoing confrontations between him and Natore. At the time of the incident, Natore had a “no contact” order against Klingseisen. Klingseisen testified at trial that he felt “[e]xtremely threatened” when Kirchner made the gun gesture at him. Trial Court Opinion, filed January 7, 2019, at 2 (quoting N.T., 10/17/18, at 7).

Nothing in the court document indicates Klingseisen gave the two-handed salute.

Elaine Natore was Klingseisen's neighbor.

Elaine Natore had a "no contact" order against Klingseisen.

Kirchner was walking with Natore.

Kirchner made the gun gesture.

"The court noted that Klingseisen felt extremely threatened and Rodriguez felt insecure enough following her observation of the incident that she called emergency services." What's your emergency? A bad man pointed his finger at my neighbor!

It's hard to believe the court wasted its time with this crap.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-09-24   0:34:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: nolu chan (#12) (Edited)

It's hard to believe the court wasted its time with this crap.

For better or worse, the courts decided they wanted to be hall monitors and playground supervisors many years ago.

Once the state wandered into establishing itself as the People To Whom To Complain About Your Neighbors, no one should be surprised when someone shows up to complain about their neighbors.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Kirchner made the gun gesture.

I'm glad he lost in court. He did escalate from being flipped off by someone to making handgun shooting gestures. If he had only flipped the guy off in return, there would have been no silent threat and he would not have ended up as a loser in court.

Sounds like a neighborhood that no sane person would want to live in. Too much drama.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-09-24   2:34:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)

I'm glad he lost in court. He did escalate from being flipped off by someone to making handgun shooting gestures.

I'd be embarrassed to be the complaining party in this shit show.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-09-24   12:07:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#15. To: nolu chan (#14) (Edited)

I'd be embarrassed to be the complaining party in this shit show.

I think we know from other cases how much the background info on these people would change all of our perceptions of the case if we were privy to the full case file on these people.

There was, after all, some reason why the dude had a restraining order against him. And it wasn't just him. There was bad blood in the 'hood.

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