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Source: Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity URL Source: http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archive ... 6/who-are-the-real-extremists/ Published: Aug 26, 2019 Author: Ron Paul Post Date: 2019-08-27 06:57:55 by Deckard Keywords: None Views: 8968 Comments: 50 The recent mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton have re-ignited efforts to pass “Red Flag” laws, which allow the government to take away a person’s guns without due process, and expanded background checks on those wishing to purchase a gun. Some supporters of these measures acknowledge they would not have prevented the Dayton and El Paso shootings, but they think the government must “do something,“ even if that something only makes it more difficult for average Americans to exercise their Second Amendment rights. The fact that one of the shooters may have been motivated by anti-immigrant views has led to calls for government surveillance of “right-wing extremists.” There are talks of developing computer programs to search social media and identify those whose extreme views supposedly make them likely to commit violence. There are also calls for legislation giving the government new powers to prevent “domestic terrorism.” Proposals targeting individuals based on their political beliefs — no matter how noxious they are — are a step toward criminalizing those beliefs. If the government gains new powers to treat those with abhorrent beliefs as potential criminals, it will not be long before those powers are used against anyone who challenges the welfare-warfare status quo. The current use of “right-wing extremism” as a justification for expanding the surveillance state is the mirror image of the use of “Islamo-fascism” to justify the post 9-11 infringements on civil liberties. That is why it is distressing to see progressives and Muslim advocacy groups pushing for new federal authority to crack down on “domestic terrorism,” just as it was disappointing when so many conservatives who opposed Bill Clinton’s attempt to expand the surveillance state endorsed the exact same proposals when they were included in the PATRIOT Act. It is ironic that progressives are supporting new laws against domestic terrorism while simultaneously protesting FBI targeting of Black Lives Matter activists as domestic terrorists. This is not to say there are not those with extreme ideologies who threaten our liberty and safety, but they are the Republicans and Democrats located in Washington, DC! The most obvious example of DC-based violent extremism is the war party propagandists who spread falsehoods to build support for regime change wars. By the time their falsehoods have been exposed, it is too late: America is stuck in another no-win quagmire and the war party has moved on to its next target. Demagogic politicians also fan fear and hatred to protect and expand the welfare state. Right-wing nationalists scapegoat illegal migrants without distinguishing between those who come here to take advantage of the welfare system from those who come here seeking economic opportunity — while left-wing progressives demonize the wealthy without distinguishing between those who made their fortunes in the market serving consumers and those who made their fortunes by manipulating the political process. These extremists use scapegoating and demagoguery to gain power and keep the people from focusing on the real source of their discontent: the welfare-warfare state and the fiat money system that makes it possible. As the welfare-warfare-fiat money system collapses, we will see increased violence. This will result in an increase in police state power. The only way to avoid this fate is for good people to unite and replace the extremist ideologies of the mainstream of both left and right with the ideas of liberty. A good start would be applying “Red Flag” laws to remove neocons from any influence over US foreign policy! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 30. #14. To: Deckard (#0) Will Wilkinson is a Canadian American libertarian writer and former research fellow and managing editor at the Cato Institute. Wilkinson says that movement libertarians often argue from a position of such essential mistrust or moral condemnation of state action, a desire for a government of a size and function that has never been real in history, that it "takes nearly everything off the table of democratic negotiation…[leaving] no space for politics, as it is commonly understood." Thus, they tend to be bad atthe roiling adversarial mess of multiparty democratic politics. Accordingly, libertarians tend to see democratic politics as an ungodly festival of thuggery and mutual predation. Active political participation is seen as wicked, futile, or both. It's hard to think of a political philosophy less likely to inspire its adherents to throw themselves into the hard work of real politics, or to see any virtue in it….when fire- breathing dogmatists predictably fail to make any headway democratically —"working within the system"—they tend to perversely interpret this as evidence of the hopeless corruption of the system and the pointlessness of trying to get anything done using ordinary "moderate" democratic political tactics. This, in turn, confirms in their minds that extreme measures may be called for, since "moderation" seems to get nothing done. It's a cozy, self-reinforcing loop of principled ineffectuality. Wilkinson advocates instead that libertarians should see polities and economies alike as dizzyingly complex emergent systems that we should try to understand and improve, but not as the sorts of things about which we can make reliably decisive moral judgments, and certainly not the sorts of things we ought to seek to replace wholesale with castles of imagination built on philosophical theory. A libertarianism that has a place for democratic politics has a place for the virtue of pursuing liberty and justice through moderate, democratic means. A libertarianism that can see dignity and virtue in democratic participation, that doesn't need to insult potential political allies, or scare them off by constantly pining for what most people see as a crazy, scary, speculative utopia … a libertarianism like that can win friends and influence people. This sort of libertarianism, comfortable with moderation, can actually move the needle—can actually deliver incremental pro-liberty policy reform. Extracts from LIBERTARIAN HISTORY/PHILOSOPHY. Deckard, Will Wilkinson is the one libertarian whose libertarian movement ideas I find little to no disagreements with. Wilkinson thinks the slogan from Barry Goldwater's 1964 acceptance speech for the Republican Party's nomination, where Barry said … "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of liberty justice is no virtue." … has warped libertarian brains ever since. As Wilkinson notes, the words were "put" in the speech by future libertarian movement firebrand Karl Hess. Wilkinson says: In terms of practical life, political or otherwise, moderation in principle means hammering out workable compromises with people who hold to different principles….This need not be understood as moderation in the sense of watering down our principles, or admitting that they are wrong in order to get along. Milton Friedman and Martin Luther King, Jr. never backed down from their radical principles. We need "moderation in principle" in the sense of being willing to negotiate toward public rules that do not perfectly conform with our principles, and to abide by those rules, even as we act to change them in the direction of our principles…. A free-for-all of extremism isn't likely to bring anyone around, so what good is it? At best, extremists about rival conceptions of prime political values hive off into polarized camps and regard each other as bitter enemies in a high- stakes culture war. And this sort of enmity breeds mutual distrust. Cooperation breaks down and gains from cooperation go unrealized, even on matters about which where there's no underlying disagreement…. Wilkinson points out that … Real political change of necessity involves negotiation and persuasion with people who don't agree with you on core issues. It requires actual human interaction based on at least some trust and some sense of respect. The "spirit of moderation that engenders open-mindedness and mutual respects helps a lot in this regard. Maybe this is the most compelling reason to embrace moderation in pursuit of justice: it's more likely to work." Deckard, I agree with Will Wilkinson and not with Ron Paul – Why can’t you? Is it that this libertarian is logical that he makes too much sense? Probably … Salute, Gatlin Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-28   7:53:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Gatlin (#14) Deckard, Will Wilkinson is the one libertarian whose libertarian movement ideas I find little to no disagreements with. Little wonder. That's because Wilkinson is a statist internationalist Republican who likes to earn a nice living by pretending to be libertarian. People like him are enemies of libertarianism and certainly can represent no more than 5% of all those who consider themselves to be libertarian. IOW, Wilkinson is no more a libertarian than you are. Just a fake Kochtopus mouthpiece, a whore for hire whose job is to muddy the waters, not to advance a movement. As much as you've posted about libertarians, you still seem to know almost nothing about libertarians. Ayn Rand did not and does not represent libertarians. She was always an object of derision to serious libertarians, like Murray Rothbard for instance. The employees of the Kochtopus empire (numerous little think tanks funded by the Kochs to advance the Koch financial interests) also do not represent libertarians in any meaningful sense nor do they represent core libertarian values like the Non-Aggression Principle or ever do anything to advance the cause of electing libertarian candidates to public office. In fact, the Kochs have often worked to defeat actual libertarian candidates. Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-28   10:23:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 30.         There are no replies to Comment # 30. 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