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Title: Who Are The Real Extremists?
Source: Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity
URL Source: http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archive ... 6/who-are-the-real-extremists/
Published: Aug 26, 2019
Author: Ron Paul
Post Date: 2019-08-27 06:57:55 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 10194
Comments: 50

The recent mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton have re-ignited efforts to pass “Red Flag” laws, which allow the government to take away a person’s guns without due process, and expanded background checks on those wishing to purchase a gun. Some supporters of these measures acknowledge they would not have prevented the Dayton and El Paso shootings, but they think the government must “do something,“ even if that something only makes it more difficult for average Americans to exercise their Second Amendment rights.

The fact that one of the shooters may have been motivated by anti-immigrant views has led to calls for government surveillance of “right-wing extremists.” There are talks of developing computer programs to search social media and identify those whose extreme views supposedly make them likely to commit violence. There are also calls for legislation giving the government new powers to prevent “domestic terrorism.”

Proposals targeting individuals based on their political beliefs — no matter how noxious they are — are a step toward criminalizing those beliefs. If the government gains new powers to treat those with abhorrent beliefs as potential criminals, it will not be long before those powers are used against anyone who challenges the welfare-warfare status quo.

The current use of “right-wing extremism” as a justification for expanding the surveillance state is the mirror image of the use of “Islamo-fascism” to justify the post 9-11 infringements on civil liberties. That is why it is distressing to see progressives and Muslim advocacy groups pushing for new federal authority to crack down on “domestic terrorism,” just as it was disappointing when so many conservatives who opposed Bill Clinton’s attempt to expand the surveillance state endorsed the exact same proposals when they were included in the PATRIOT Act. It is ironic that progressives are supporting new laws against domestic terrorism while simultaneously protesting FBI targeting of Black Lives Matter activists as domestic terrorists.

This is not to say there are not those with extreme ideologies who threaten our liberty and safety, but they are the Republicans and Democrats located in Washington, DC! The most obvious example of DC-based violent extremism is the war party propagandists who spread falsehoods to build support for regime change wars. By the time their falsehoods have been exposed, it is too late: America is stuck in another no-win quagmire and the war party has moved on to its next target.

Demagogic politicians also fan fear and hatred to protect and expand the welfare state. Right-wing nationalists scapegoat illegal migrants without distinguishing between those who come here to take advantage of the welfare system from those who come here seeking economic opportunity — while left-wing progressives demonize the wealthy without distinguishing between those who made their fortunes in the market serving consumers and those who made their fortunes by manipulating the political process. These extremists use scapegoating and demagoguery to gain power and keep the people from focusing on the real source of their discontent: the welfare-warfare state and the fiat money system that makes it possible.

As the welfare-warfare-fiat money system collapses, we will see increased violence. This will result in an increase in police state power. The only way to avoid this fate is for good people to unite and replace the extremist ideologies of the mainstream of both left and right with the ideas of liberty. A good start would be applying “Red Flag” laws to remove neocons from any influence over US foreign policy!

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#11. To: Deckard (#0)

… Extremists …

Will Wilkinson of the libertarian Niskanen Center has posted two much-discussed articles criticizing Barry Goldwater’s famous statements that “extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice” and “moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” He is particularly eager to persuade libertarians that they are too prone to extremism, and should instead embrace moderation. Wilkinson makes some solid points.

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Will Wilkinson of the libertarian Niskanen Center

They are on the spectrum of left-libertarian/open borders policy.

They're the only ones who bother to call them libertarian. The rest of us have no use for them. They speak only for themselves.

They were part of the Kochtopus but after a fight for control, they started leaning Left on a lot of issues, so much so that most libertarians don't want them to call themselves libertarian. They're closer to liberal Main Street Republicans than to any flavor of actual libertarians. I expect they will lose all their funding over the next few years. They simply have no audience, given their policy portfolio and staffing.

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#13. To: Tooconservative (#12)

Will Wilkinson of the libertarian Niskanen Center

They are on the spectrum of left-libertarian/open borders policy.

… The rest of us have no use for them.

You libertarians have such a limitless and boundless spectrum so broad that it encompasses a total of 35 branches and schools of libertarianism.

It should come as no surprise to anyone that each of you libertarians has no use for any other libertarian.

[The libertarians at the Niskanen Center] speak only for themselves.
… “speak ONLY for themselves” …

And therein lies “one” of the major impediments to “libertarianism.”

With each and everyone one of you libertarians “speaking only for yourself” when combined with the fact that libertarianism is a complete mish-mash collection of seemingly unlimited political philosophies and movements [35 at last count – and growing] shows that libertarianism has the disastrously misdirected undertaking of a big “clusterfuck.”

My thanks to Clint Eastwood for the use of the word – “clusterfuck.”

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#29. To: Gatlin (#13)

… “speak ONLY for themselves” …

They advertise their own operation as intended primarily to influence policy makers in D.C. They don't really write or speak to influence the public.

This is one of the hallmarks of a Kochtopus operation.

I keep thinking you'd finally realize that most libertarians are not represented by Cato or the Kochs and their many self-styled propaganda organs. The Kochs claim to be libertarians but, after funding their propaganda organizations for decades, they still have never convinced more than a tiny fraction of the large majority of libertarians to agree with them, then how are they "libertarian" in any sense?

These Kochtopus entities are, in effect, just lobbyists and political influence operations. They are not, in any meaningful sense, political. They serve only the financial interests of the Koch family. That's all they've ever done.

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