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Title: Owner of 3 Pit Bulls That Mauled 9-Year-Old Girl to Death Charged with Murder
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URL Source: https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/owner ... -to-death-charged-with-murder/
Published: Aug 22, 2019
Author: Matt Clibanoff
Post Date: 2019-08-27 01:48:49 by Tooconservative
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Views: 12250
Comments: 88
According to the victim’s family, Emma Hernandez, 9, was riding her bike on Monday when dogs attacked her in an alley around 4 p.m. Family members said that she often rode her bike in the area around Central Avenue and Smart Street and was probably trying to use a nearby alley to turn around. Among the various neighbors who came out to help Hernandez was Deborah Gordon, a woman who lives down the block. She reportedly tried to perform CPR and was shocked by what happened. “You’re talking about a 9-year-old girl who was just out there playing, and now she’s not here,” she told Fox 6 Now. To make matters worse, one of the people who ran towards the attack was Hernandez’s 12-year-old brother. While most of Hernandez’s immediate family wanted privacy, they did say that the dogs often roamed around the streets of their neighborhood; Hernandez’s father said he had an argument with the dog owner about it within the past week. During the attack, neighbors shot one of the pit bulls. Following the attack, the dogs were taken by Detroit Animal Care and Control. “Due to the severity of this case, it is very likely that the dogs will be euthanized,” officials said in a statement. Cleveland has reportedly been charged with having a dangerous animal, causing death, involuntary manslaughter, and second-degree murder. “It shouldn’t have happened,” said Claudia Stapleton, Hernandez’s aunt. “They should have been more careful with their dogs. This is her neighborhood. She should be able to be free and do what every kid does. Walk around, ride their bikes, they shouldn’t be afraid in their own neighborhood. It’s very devastating.” Cleveland is currently being held with a $2 million bail and is scheduled to appear in court on Aug. 30 for a probable cause conference. His preliminary examination is set for Sept. 6, ClickonDetroit reported. Poster Comment: I am always happy to see pitbull owners prosecuted. I have a friend who owns one, unhappy last year that the city fined him for letting it escape and run wild, forced him to build a pen. I told him that I like seeing pitbull owners prosecuted because they are an inherently dangerous and unstable breed. We aren't as close now for some reason. Hell, he just leaves it in the crappy pen they made him build, neglected and living a useless unhappy life. He doesn't even care about that dog.
Pierre Cleveland, 33, the owner of the three pit bulls that mauled a 9-year-old Detroit girl to death, has been charged with murder. 
“I knew the dogs were there. I knew the neighbor,” Armando Hernandez said. “We had an argument about it just last week and he just didn’t take care of his dogs properly. He could have prevented this.”
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#46. To: Tooconservative (#39)
Everything in the known universe is either animal,vegetable,or mineral. Pick one and I will take your word for it unless you are a Dim or a RINO,and don't pick "vegetable".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I am not an animal. I'm a human being. When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.
Female cats are VERY social,and commonly feed each others kittens in the wild. Mama cats have to hunt and eat too,so they are always babysitting for each other. It's tomcats that cause the trouble. They sometimes want to kill the kittens so the mothers go into heat again. One reason mama cats hang together in the wild. There ain't no creature I can think of that works harder or needs more patience than a female cat with a litter of kittens.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I don't think there is any question that pretty much every animal species that exists can tell bad weather is coming LONG before humans have an inkling. In fact,it is a wise human in the wild that pays attention to the way the wildlife is acting. When you see them all running for cover,it's probably a good idea for you to follow them.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I didn't mention earthquakes but those too. I think they alert sooner to wildfires but we notice this mostly because humans have some of the lousiest noses on earth. I think the animals catch the faint hints of smoke on the wind far sooner than we do.
I agree,but there just ain't no explaining the earthquake sensing thing. There is also no denying it as VERY real. Like I wrote earlier,when you see the wildlife starting to panic,YOU need to start panicking,too.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal. I think you refer to yourself and think of yourself as a man, an adult human being. I know the point you're arguing but that is an intellectual and philosophical construct. Deep down, regardless of what you say, you know you are a man, a human being. And you know that you are not an animal, a very limited class of beings.
I routinely refer to myself as a man. Lately as a old man. If asked to be more specific,I say I am a human. If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species. Not that any of this makes any difference at all. Things are what they are,regardless of how we wish they might be.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'm not sure just how many times you've been waterboarded in an interrogation on this topic to the point where you finally confess you're an animal. : ) It's all good though. You win. I'm not that invested in the argument. And we shouldn't work so hard on Labor Day weekend. Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.
I THINK I am going to love it,but I got sick again right after I bought it,and all I have done with it is make payments. I am now officially in remission since last week,and am starting to feel a little better after losing 50 lbs of water weight. The chemo is starting to wear off to the point I can remember my name now most of the time. I am really hoping to use the new tractor to mow the fields around my house for a fire break before spring starts to pop and buttholes start setting fires. I bought a 48 inch cut rough mower to pull behind it,and with the 4 wheel drive it should do well. It would really be nice if I could pick up a couple of fields to mow next spring for a little money to help make the payments. I had to spend a LOT of money to buy it,but I didn't see me as having any other options after not being able to find anybody else willing to cut the grass around me. I used to cut that crap with a swing blade when I was in my 30's. By the time I was in my 50's I was having to cut it with a small 50's tractor and a bushhog. Then something happened and it started being flooded more often than not,and the small 2wd tractor was getting stuck,so I had to go with a riding mower and a string weed whacker. Yeah,the riding mower would get stuck too,but was MUCH easier to get out than an actual tractor. I could just pick up the rear of it and move it out of the hole it had dug,and then it would be easy to either drive away or hook a chain to it and pull it further out of the hole. So far the only time I have used my new 4X4 tractor was to pull a engine and trans out of a 37 Dodge truck to sell to a guy in Texas that was restoring a 37 Dodge farm truck and needed a engine and trans. Got 350 + 150 for crating for the engine and trans,and ran into the side of my new truck and got a 500 dollar dent in the side of the bed. My old tractor had shuttle shift,and I let the salesmen talk me into buying a constant drive system (forget what they call it now,but it has a forward pedal in the floor,and a reverse pedal right beside it). I was going in from the side to load the engine and trans,and the tractor started rolling forward when it got close to the truck,so I stomped on the "brake pedal" to stop it,but it was no longer the brake pedal. In the new tractor it was the "forward pedal". Still a little steamed about that one. Still,I have enjoyed parking it near where I was working on something in the yard this summer,and being able to jump into the cab and turn the AC on to cool down without having to go to the house,and the bucket was always handy for carrying tools and other stuff around. I am HOPING to be feeling good enough to hook it up to the rough mower and start hitting the 8 foot high grass before the end of November. If I do get it stuck,I can probably pull it out using my big 2 wheel drive tractor and a lot of chains. Tried using the big tractor with the bush hog a few years ago,and got about 30 feet out of the yard and it bottomed out. Both wheels were spinning clear and not touching anything. I have a 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 truck with a modified 390 Ford engine in it and big tires,so when a guy I knew happened to stop by,I got him to get in the big tractor (right at 10,000 lbs) to steer it and put it in reverse when I snatched it out of the hole. I then hooked a logging chain to the big tractor and the 37 Dodge and snatched it right out of that hole! I'm not going to say how fast I was going when the logging chain came tight,but it felt like the 37 came right up off the ground when it did. I did pull the big tractor out,though. I sure don't want to do that again,though. The new tractor only weighs about 3,000 lbs. I will probably start testing it by just driving it around out where I want to cut without the mower being hooked to it. Easier to hook chains to it to pull it out if I don't have to unhook the mower and then have to try to pull it out. If worse comes to worse there is a guy up the road that has a big 4x4 tractor with 4 mud tires on the rear and 4 more up front that I can get to come and pull it out for me,but that's not the kind of thing I can make a habit out of asking for.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'm sad to hear about the chemo. I know what a challenge that can be. Rural areas are getting more depopulated. And you can't find teens willing to work, not even odd jobs or seasonal stuff. You win some, you lose some. It sucks but it's not too bad an explanation. I know how that goes. I've used a bigger tractor to pull out the mowing tractor in swampy ground myself years back. It's always a mess. Sometimes, it's amazing the crap we can wade into, all innocent like. I know I have. Then you realize you've gotten into a pretty pickle. Really annoying. You need to get your rig out of the swamp so you can finish mowing/swathing the damned field so it cures along with the rest of your hay. My blood pressure goes up a little just thinking about some of my own Adventures In Swampy Mowing. Smart. If you get stuck, you don't want to wreck the mower while pulling out your mowing rig. Where I lived, the last resort was to call the commissioner and ask him to send a maintainer to pull you out. I never had to do it myself but was glad I didn't. The local gossip mills were already busy enough without some fresh tidbit like that to chew on.
Enough tractor talk! I need a progress report on the 34 Ford...stat Focus, man! Focus! Pete, glad you are in remission.
The local gossip mills were already busy enough What is a commissioner and a maintainer? Somehow, it's all making sense now...lol
A county commissioner is an elected official who directly supervises road crews and conducts county business. So you might typically have a county that will have 3 county commissioners, each in charge of rural road maintainence in their district in the county. They also approve the budgets of every tax entity in the county and they are the elected board who determines the size of the courthouse staff, necessary county improvements, signing county contracts, etc. They are, in theory, superior to the other elected county officials like county clerks or treasurers, or technically superior to school board(s) within the county. So in most counties like this, you can do any county business at all if you can get two out of the three commissioners to agree by vote. They're like a board of supervisors in the counties of many states. Perhaps you use that name for them; I think I hear it more often in most states. What do you call your top county officials in your state? A maintainer is a road grader, used with a blade for dirt road maintainance or with a snowplow to clear snow drifts. If you get a tractor stuck in a swamp or a loaded semi stuck in a damp corn field, being on good terms so you can call your commissioner to send a maintainer is always good. I used to wonder what you do if you get a road grader stuck but I've realized that I've never heard of anyone managing to get one stuck. Nowadays, with 4wd tractors or tracked tractors or combines with dualies so much more common, you do have other options to get your neighbors to help.
You must live in a semi-rural place. I think it isn't hard to identify the local gossip mills. Start with the bar, add the churches (who don't gossip but do "share their concerns"), then the co-op, then a few other spots like the post office and the school bus barn. Usually courthouse and bank staff are more discreet, so are most businesses who know people will take their business out of town rather than have it bandied about by idle gossips. And in a lot of rural towns, if they don't know some gossip about you, they're content to just make up crap out of thin air and spread that around. If you have a rural address, you live in Hooterville.
being on good terms so you can call your commissioner to send a maintainer Okay. That's basically what we have. I never realized they would come on to private property to assist...what with liability and all.
The only 34 Ford I have left is the pu. I sold the coupe to a guy in ND that restored it for his museum. I do have a 33 Plymouth coupe and a 33 Dodge 4dr sedan,though. I have made zero progress on any of my cars since I started getting sick,with the exception of the 51 Ford Victoria I bought to drive around and enjoy for a while,and then sell so I could get the money to work on my "keepers". Selling my 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 for the same reason. The 51 Vicky was a stock original car that had been sitting for decades,and even though it ran,the auto trans (1st year for Ford) wouldn't move the car,the gas tank had a rust hole in it big enough to stick my fist through,there was no master cylinder on the car or anywhere around it,brake lines rusted out,brake hoses cracked and rotten,tires split,upholstery torn and the springs showing where the driver sits,etc,etc,etc. It is now a running and driving car with what I THINK is around 76k original miles on it,and I wouldn't be afraid to drive it cross-country at 60-65 mph. Even had the seats reupholstered because I got tired of sitting in a hole and having a spring poke me in the ass while driving down the road. New tires,new wheels,gas tank,gas lines,brakes,brake lines,master cylinder,new water pumps,new hoses,belts,plug wires,plugs,points,condenser,distributor cap,battery Have all new chrome for it except the front bumper,and it is in a body shop now to get painted. Painting it back the original pale yellow and black. The only non-original part in the car is the new aluminum radiator. The original brass and copper radiator blew apart once I started driving the car. Since I am neither restoring or going to keep the car I decided to buy a new aluminum radiator for 198 bucks,versus the 850 bucks for a new brass and copper one. If the next owner wants a brass and copper radiator,they can always buy it themselves. The 37 Dodge sits on a 72 F-250 4X4 chassis and has a modified 390 Ford FE engine in it. Freaks people out when I cruise past them running 70. Forgot how to post photos here. Sorry.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
If your commissioner was elected by only a few votes out of a pool of a hundred voters, they do get more responsive to requests by voters. : ) The more rural you are, the more this is true.
I keep asking myself where they still get whitewall tires to complete that classic look. Can't recall how long it's been since I've seen them in a tire shop. I suppose they're a specialty item and you have to find a place to order them. Probably pricey. C'mon, that used to be a 37 Dodge. Now it's a Frankentruck. Use: < img src="https://someserver.com/some-girly-photo.jpg"> (but omit the space right after the < character) Here's a pretty one, restored.
That's the one! I have loved those trucks since about 8th grade when an upperclassman began driving his to school. He had something like a 350 4 barrel in it with manual trans...all very simple, not much restoration. I googled the 51 Victoria...does your Victoria have a straight 6 or a flat head v8? Yeah, a 37 Dodge 4x4 passing me at 70 would freak me out too! Then I'd floor it to get a better look!
Coker Tire in Tn is one of them,and yes,they are pricey. They are also assholes,which is no surprise when you consider Coker was a leftist Dim congresscritter up until recently. You can even get radial wide whitewalls if you want,and can afford them., There are also other places,but I don't remember their names now because I have no interest in that stuff. The tires I put on the 51 were 215 x 15 radials with narrow whitewalls. I used new rims because radials don't "play well" with early steel wheels designed for bias ply tires. The flex can cause old rivets to pop and rims to crack. The Dodge pu you show is a half-ton. The 3/4 ton and larger trucks use a different cab,fenders,hood,and grille.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I sometimes have mixed feelings about vintage vehicles. You have the pure stock vehicles. Then you have the ones dressed in extremely fancy modern paint jobs that don't look real at all; no vehicle of that era ever looked like that. Stock vintage like this: Maybe I'm just not a hot rod guy. But that era was receding by the Sixties so I never knew those guys, not in my age group.
Ah, I thought it looked too lightweight. Wikipedia and DDG are weak on Dodge truck pictures from the Thirties. A while back, I was rather amazed to see the ongoing market for 6x6 military trucks on eBay. Pretty amazing stuff if you want a brute of a truck for $5K-$7K. Uses gas/diesel/kerosene/motor oil as fuel, air brakes, air compressor for air tools, 2.5 ton cargo capacity, snorkel, winch, etc. And really built to last. They aren't fast but they make perfect swamp trucks, ready for anything. And they would survive a major EMP blast too. Even Scotty Kilmer approves of it and it isn't even a 1994 Toyota. I really liked this old boy. Knew his stuff, easy to watch, good presenter.
That's the one! I have loved those trucks since about 8th grade when an upperclassman began driving his to school. He had something like a 350 4 barrel in it with manual trans...all very simple, not much restoration. I am creating the 34 pu I wanted when I was in high school,several years ago. Stock body with a dropped front axle. Cab and bed painted Hondarus Maroon,fenders and running boards painted black. Putting a dual quad 312 Ford Y-block Ford engine in it. The intake,teapot carbs, and cam are from the "E-Bird" option list. The intake,carbs,and triangular low-mount air cleaner came off a stock 57 T-Bird a guy in Idaho had. He took them off his T-bird in the early 60's and put it all under his workbench. A guy I know that knows him asked him if he wanted to sell it,and then told me about it. I got it all except for the original "trash can" gas filter. Last I heard,those go for about 850 these days. I also have a set of the original "thunderbird" finned aluminum valve covers sitting on the 312 in my shop floor. The engine currently has a 3x2 setup on it. Using a 3 speed + OD unit from a 80's Ford F-150 pu for a transmission. They are stronger than the original 39 transmissions everybody used to use (which ain't saying much),have overdrive,are open drive so using my 9 inch rear is no problem,and are a HELL of a lot cheaper than a good 39 trans these days. All I have to do is grind a little off the input shaft for clearance,and it will bolt to the original Y-Block bellhousing with only minor modifications. Best of all,with that tall shifter sticking straight up out of the center of the transmission hump,it will LOOK LIKE a 39 Ford trans. I even have a old beer tap clear plastic logo to use as a shift knob. I googled the 51 Victoria...does your Victoria have a straight 6 or a flat head v8? Original flathead V-8 and Fordomatic transmission. First year for an automatic transmission in a Ford,but the truth is it is a Borg-Warner 3 speed (everybody thinks they are 2 speed because if you put it in drive it starts out in 2nd gear) that is identical to auto trans used by Studebaker back then. I do have a straight flat 6 in my 51 Ford business coupe,though. Just found and bought a knudsen finned aluminum high compression head for it,with the matching 3x1 intake. Going to use glass bowl 1904 Holley carbs with it,and will be running a 3/4 cam with split exhaust and glass packs. Right now I am driving it with the stock engine. Will modify the engine when I pull the body off the coupe to do the bodywork. Even bought a rotisserie so I can do the body work at a height and angle that doesn't kill my back. Right now it has a 3 speed manual trans and overdrive,but I plan on converting it to FOM,also. Have a rebuilt 51 FOM,torque converter,flex plate and the FOM driveshaft and 3:31 rear sitting in my shop floor. Even have a 51 FOM steering box and steering column (they are different and longer than the standard shift stuff). All I am lacking is an original bellhousing for a flat 6 with a FOM,and can't find one to save my life. Ford advertised the FOM was an option with the flat 6,but I have never talked with anybody that has seen one. Not even the people who work at the Dearborn museum can remember ever seeing one. Looks like I am going to have to make my own adaptor using a PU bellhousing as a base to start from Going to paint it back the original Ford pale yellow and use the original gray with red and blue pinstripe mohair seat material,but am going to paint the dash and window mouldings a deep metallic green. Going to nose and deck it,and install a 55 DeSoto grille I have been saving. Pinstriping on the dash maybe a little on the body. Think "mid-50's white trash hot rod/mild custom". The kind of car 16 year old kid's aunt would give them that they could afford to build on a helpers paycheck. Something they would actually drive around in.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
The ones on the top and bottom left were typical 50'/60's hot rods, Top right is a over-restored version,and bottom right is a show car abortion. I actually prefer the red one on bottom left,but my truck cab is unmodified,and I just can't bring myself to channel it and chop the top. I MIGHT shorten the bed a little,but that's it. Even then I will save what I cut off so after I die the next owner can bring it back to stock if they want. I am making no modifications to either the chassis or body that can't be brought back to original easily. The one top left is what you would normally see being driven around. Straight stock cab and bed with flat paint that didn't need to be washed and waxed all the time. Aftermarket headlights with turn signals in them,"modern" steel wheels and 15 inch tires.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I have ridden a mile or two in the backs of those things,and riding in one is NOT for older people who are no longer flexible. They will flat beat you to death on a bumpy road. We had one at our camp in Kontum that we would use for PX runs to Pleiku. IIRC,the motor pool sgt had done something to it,and it would run maybe 65 MPH. We would just blow right past the 4th Division convoys tooling along at 45 MPH,and it would REALLY piss them off. There was at least one ambush on that highway pretty much every day because the 4th Division were running convoys to an artillery base they had outside of Kontum,and the NVA wanted to blow up the artillery shells. Which is why we didn't want to get mixed up in that convoy. If you were a lone truck driving down the road by yourself,it was almost a guarantee nobody would shoot at you and give away their position because they were waiting to ambush the artillery resupply convoy. We just couldn't get past them quick enough to suit us. The funny part is everybody seemed to think riding down that road alone was dangerous,and the opposite was true. Hell,I have hitchhiked from Pleiku to Kontum and ended up riding there on the back of a Honda 90 operated by a ARVN soldier. Easy peasy,with not a hint of trouble. Target too small to bother with.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
It isn't as pretty as the others but it is the one I like. The one that people back in the Thirties would actually recognize. And a very flat paint job. They may look pretty with a neon paint job but they don't look authentic.
Yeah but if you bought one now, you'd be tooling around your home county, not going cross-country for hours. If I decided to move South to a swampy area with a backcountry homestead, a truck like that would handle anything. You just weren't worth their ammo. That isn't so unusual in warfare when ammo is scarce. Recall "Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes" from the Battle of Bunker Hill at the beginning of our Revolutionary War. Same basic thinking. And before firearms, I imagine the archers were told the same thing about conserving their arrows.
It isn't as pretty as the others but it is the one I like. Me,too,but I actually think it is prettier than either show truck. The fenderless red one is pretty neat,too. I used to see more of them than anything else. They were practically the east coast version of the t-bucket. People would channel them and build them just like a t-bucket,with a bed shortened to be just big enough to hold the battery and gas tank. No fenders,or hood. Seemed like they were all over the place at one time.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Classic hot rod, pretty paint and decal. I don't mind it because it looks pretty stock, something that closely resembles the original models. Those wheels are pretty hot roddish though. I like it but I think they knew when to stop with the paint/decal/wheels. They let the classic design features speak for themselves. A vehicle with beautiful design, reminds me a bit of a Rolls Royce grill and classic Brit luxury car fenders and running boards. But can ZZ Top do this with their coupe? What a nut! LOL After putting the rice rockets in their place, he managed to get stuck. Those slutty rice rockets wouldn't let his truck go. That's why you buy the truck equipped with a winch and never back up.
They really define the term 'hot rod'. When you say 'hot rod', most of us (of a certain age) think of them first. Hell, any kid with middling mechanical skills could buy an old one cheap off some farmer, fix it up, and have a car, dirt cheap. And they competed on who could build the nicest ones while spending the least. So much cooler than just buying an old Hudson or Edsel from a widow's estate. Some of those Hudson Hornets were gorgeous. Citroen style in a heavy American car. The 4-door sedans were great too.
Fact: Cattle kill more people every year than sharks do. My bull just left the property! Thankfully, it was in a trailer! Traded him to a big farm about 10 miles from here. They were happy to get some new bloodline...and I was happy to see him go. No more waking up at 3 am to make sure he wasn't out killing one of my neighbors. (He would get crazy at night)
Some bulls just aren't sociable. Then you get the ones that decide to exhibit the herding instinct toward the cows - like stallions will herd their mares - and you'll have a bull blocking a bridge you want to get the herd to cross because he just thinks it's a bad idea and he'll butt at any cow who tries to pass. I've seen a young bull do that twice with just passing through ordinary pasture gates to another pasture. It's the bovine version of "None shall pass!" from Monty Python's Holy Grail movie. And while the bull is blocking the bridge or the gate, you're on the other side of the herd, trying to get them to slip past the bull. Comedy ensues. I was always amazed at how quickly bulls can decide to make life real interesting.
It's impossible to believe how quickly something that big can move when the want to move. You really have to see it for yourself to believe it.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
This bull did have that curious behavior you describe. If he was lying down and saw a cow moving toward water to get a drink he would haul himself up, run like mad, and push the cow off the water! Crazy, right. The same with hay at the hay feeder. Truth be told, I do miss him a little. He was very entertaining. To ease the loss, the farmer just dropped off a whole cow, professionally processed and vacuum sealed, beautiful steaks, burger, roasts. Oh, yeah.
It's impossible to believe how quickly something that big can move when the want to move. You really have to see it for yourself to believe it. I always wanted to make a gif. of him in action. The power in that thing was only matched by his agility. No truer words...you had to see it to believe it. He wasn't like one of those fighting bull in Spain, he was a massive pile of meat. But he could dance! That's why he kept me up at night...
I think it is in part an instinctive herding instinct. I think it's a common experience with bulls. But different things trigger it. It probably makes sense to the bull.
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#47. To: sneakypete (#46)
#48. To: Tooconservative (#41)
I think it is also rarer for a dog to adopt another's puppy or a cat another's kitten.
#49. To: Tooconservative (#45)
Sometimes animals can be triggered by smell or sound or they can be antsy because of violent weather patterns or other stuff.
#50. To: Tooconservative (#47)
When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.
#51. To: sneakypete (#49)
I don't think there is any question that pretty much every animal species that exists can tell bad weather is coming LONG before humans have an inkling.
#52. To: Tooconservative (#51)
I think they alert sooner to wildfires but we notice this mostly because humans have some of the lousiest noses on earth.
#53. To: sneakypete (#50)
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I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".
#54. To: Tooconservative (#53)
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I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal.
#55. To: sneakypete (#54)
If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species.
#56. To: Tooconservative (#55)
Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.
#57. To: sneakypete (#56)
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I am now officially in remission since last week,and am starting to feel a little better after losing 50 lbs of water weight. The chemo is starting to wear off to the point I can remember my name now most of the time.
It would really be nice if I could pick up a couple of fields to mow next spring for a little money to help make the payments. I had to spend a LOT of money to buy it,but I didn't see me as having any other options after not being able to find anybody else willing to cut the grass around me.
So far the only time I have used my new 4X4 tractor was to pull a engine and trans out of a 37 Dodge truck to sell to a guy in Texas that was restoring a 37 Dodge farm truck and needed a engine and trans. Got 350 + 150 for crating for the engine and trans,and ran into the side of my new truck and got a 500 dollar dent in the side of the bed.
I am HOPING to be feeling good enough to hook it up to the rough mower and start hitting the 8 foot high grass before the end of November. If I do get it stuck,I can probably pull it out using my big 2 wheel drive tractor and a lot of chains.
I have a 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 truck with a modified 390 Ford engine in it and big tires,so when a guy I knew happened to stop by,I got him to get in the big tractor (right at 10,000 lbs) to steer it and put it in reverse when I snatched it out of the hole. I then hooked a logging chain to the big tractor and the 37 Dodge and snatched it right out of that hole! I'm not going to say how fast I was going when the logging chain came tight,but it felt like the 37 came right up off the ground when it did. I did pull the big tractor out,though.
The new tractor only weighs about 3,000 lbs. I will probably start testing it by just driving it around out where I want to cut without the mower being hooked to it.
If worse comes to worse there is a guy up the road that has a big 4x4 tractor with 4 mud tires on the rear and 4 more up front that I can get to come and pull it out for me,but that's not the kind of thing I can make a habit out of asking for.
#58. To: Tooconservative (#47)
I am not an animal. I'm a human being.
#59. To: sneakypete (#56)
my new 4X4 tractor
#60. To: Tooconservative (#57)
call the commissioner and ask him to send a maintainer
The local gossip mills were already busy enough
#61. To: watchman (#60)
What is a commissioner and a maintainer?
#62. To: watchman (#60)
Somehow, it's all making sense now...lol
#63. To: Tooconservative (#61)
A county commissioner is an elected official who directly supervises road crews and conducts county business.
#64. To: watchman (#59)
(Edited)
I need a progress report on the 34 Ford...stat
#65. To: watchman (#63)
I never realized they would come on to private property to assist...what with liability and all.
#66. To: sneakypete, watchman (#64)
(Edited)
New tires,new wheels,gas tank,gas lines,brakes,brake lines,master cylinder,new water pumps,new hoses,belts,plug wires,plugs,points,condenser,distributor cap,battery ... Have all new chrome for it except the front bumper,and it is in a body shop now to get painted. Painting it back the original pale yellow and black.
The 37 Dodge sits on a 72 F-250 4X4 chassis and has a modified 390 Ford FE engine in it. Freaks people out when I cruise past them running 70.
Forgot how to post photos here. Sorry.
1937 Dodge PU
#67. To: sneakypete (#64)
The only 34 Ford I have left is the pu.
#68. To: Tooconservative (#66)
I keep asking myself where they still get whitewall tires to complete that classic look. Can't recall how long it's been since I've seen them in a tire shop. I suppose they're a specialty item and you have to find a place to order them. Probably pricey.
#69. To: watchman (#67)
I have loved those trucks since about 8th grade when an upperclassman began driving his to school. He had something like a 350 4 barrel in it with manual trans...all very simple, not much restoration.
Or with the racier paint jobs and trim and modified engines like this: 
#70. To: sneakypete (#68)
(Edited)
The Dodge pu you show is a half-ton. The 3/4 ton and larger trucks use a different cab,fenders,hood,and grille.
#71. To: watchman (#67)
The only 34 Ford I have left is the pu.
#72. To: Tooconservative (#69)
Maybe I'm just not a hot rod guy. But that era was receding by the Sixties so I never knew those guys, not in my age group.
#73. To: Tooconservative (#70)
#74. To: sneakypete, watchman (#72)
The one top left is what you would normally see being driven around. Straight stock cab and bed with flat paint that didn't need to be washed and waxed all the time. Aftermarket headlights with turn signals in them,"modern" steel wheels and 15 inch tires.
#75. To: Tooconservative (#74)
#76. To: sneakypete (#73)
I have ridden a mile or two in the backs of those things,and riding in one is NOT for older people who are no longer flexible. They will flat beat you to death on a bumpy road.
The funny part is everybody seemed to think riding down that road alone was dangerous,and the opposite was true. Hell,I have hitchhiked from Pleiku to Kontum and ended up riding there on the back of a Honda 90 operated by a ARVN soldier. Easy peasy,with not a hint of trouble. Target too small to bother with.
#77. To: Tooconservative (#74)
The one top left is what you would normally see being driven around. Straight stock cab and bed with flat paint that didn't need to be washed and waxed all the time. Aftermarket headlights with turn signals in them,"modern" steel wheels and 15 inch tires.
#78. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#75)
Original ZZ Top 1933 Ford
#79. To: sneakypete (#77)
(Edited)
They were practically the east coast version of the t-bucket. People would channel them and build them just like a t-bucket,with a bed shortened to be just big enough to hold the battery and gas tank. No fenders,or hood. Seemed like they were all over the place at one time.
#80. To: Tooconservative (#27)
BTW, have you ever read the stats on cow attacks? Yep, every year some people get killed. And it isn't just bulls or steers attacking either.
#81. To: watchman (#80)
My bull just left the property! Thankfully, it was in a trailer!
#82. To: Tooconservative (#81)
I was always amazed at how quickly bulls can decide to make life real interesting.
#83. To: Tooconservative (#81)
and you'll have a bull blocking a bridge you want to get the herd to cross because he just thinks it's a bad idea
#84. To: sneakypete (#82)
I was always amazed at how quickly bulls can decide to make life real interesting.
#85. To: watchman (#83)
If he was lying down and saw a cow moving toward water to get a drink he would haul himself up, run like mad, and push the cow off the water! Crazy, right. The same with hay at the hay feeder.
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