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Title: Owner of 3 Pit Bulls That Mauled 9-Year-Old Girl to Death Charged with Murder
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URL Source: https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/owner ... -to-death-charged-with-murder/
Published: Aug 22, 2019
Author: Matt Clibanoff
Post Date: 2019-08-27 01:48:49 by Tooconservative
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Views: 11098
Comments: 88
According to the victim’s family, Emma Hernandez, 9, was riding her bike on Monday when dogs attacked her in an alley around 4 p.m. Family members said that she often rode her bike in the area around Central Avenue and Smart Street and was probably trying to use a nearby alley to turn around. Among the various neighbors who came out to help Hernandez was Deborah Gordon, a woman who lives down the block. She reportedly tried to perform CPR and was shocked by what happened. “You’re talking about a 9-year-old girl who was just out there playing, and now she’s not here,” she told Fox 6 Now. To make matters worse, one of the people who ran towards the attack was Hernandez’s 12-year-old brother. While most of Hernandez’s immediate family wanted privacy, they did say that the dogs often roamed around the streets of their neighborhood; Hernandez’s father said he had an argument with the dog owner about it within the past week. During the attack, neighbors shot one of the pit bulls. Following the attack, the dogs were taken by Detroit Animal Care and Control. “Due to the severity of this case, it is very likely that the dogs will be euthanized,” officials said in a statement. Cleveland has reportedly been charged with having a dangerous animal, causing death, involuntary manslaughter, and second-degree murder. “It shouldn’t have happened,” said Claudia Stapleton, Hernandez’s aunt. “They should have been more careful with their dogs. This is her neighborhood. She should be able to be free and do what every kid does. Walk around, ride their bikes, they shouldn’t be afraid in their own neighborhood. It’s very devastating.” Cleveland is currently being held with a $2 million bail and is scheduled to appear in court on Aug. 30 for a probable cause conference. His preliminary examination is set for Sept. 6, ClickonDetroit reported. Poster Comment: I am always happy to see pitbull owners prosecuted. I have a friend who owns one, unhappy last year that the city fined him for letting it escape and run wild, forced him to build a pen. I told him that I like seeing pitbull owners prosecuted because they are an inherently dangerous and unstable breed. We aren't as close now for some reason. Hell, he just leaves it in the crappy pen they made him build, neglected and living a useless unhappy life. He doesn't even care about that dog.
Pierre Cleveland, 33, the owner of the three pit bulls that mauled a 9-year-old Detroit girl to death, has been charged with murder. 
“I knew the dogs were there. I knew the neighbor,” Armando Hernandez said. “We had an argument about it just last week and he just didn’t take care of his dogs properly. He could have prevented this.”
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If a pitbull is mauling your grandchild to death right in front of you, I recommend you just shoot it and not wait for the cops to shop up 30-40 minutes later. Strange how you tried to take this in the direction of police posts in general. You're trying to dragging the cops into a non-cop story. Hammer, nail. I did like how they had a mug shot of him first and then the second one showing him weeping in shame. Gee, maybe he should have locked up his dogs before they killed an innocent little girl. Hence, the second photo.
“The Lord works in mysterious ways.” “Yep.” He sure does …
The second photo is, "Woe is me. They charged me with murder".
Another movie I never managed to sit through. I've seen some clips from it though. Another one I never saw was Animal House. Yet I always thought Dan Akroyd was the most talented SNL performer by far. A total ham and with some acting talent. It's funny though. I've seen a lot of movies. But some really big hit movies make me lose interest early on and I just stop paying attention to them. Some other big hits, I don't even bother with because I dislike something about the trailers, usually because they're so over the top that I know the movie can't possibly live up to the marketing hype. It's rare if I can predict whether I will or won't sit through a movie. Sequels are an exception. If I really like the first movie in a series like LOTR, then I will watch the sequel(s). But I barely made it through the last few Star Wars sequels because the stories are lousy and the acting lame and the racial checkoffs and the PC elements are almost embarrassingly clumsy and hamhanded. And the endings are teed up to get you to watch Star Wars XXXVIII. It's just tiresome. The Terminator sequels are a bit of a mixed bag but I watched them through to find out the backstory (even if time travel movies are the bottom of the barrel among sci-fi movies). There is a Hollywood saying that no sequel can ever be as good as the original. Terminator 2 was one of the few exceptions to this rule; T2 was much better in action, plot, special effects, music, just across the board. T1 looks kind of sad and cheap compared to T2. But then T3 sucked, T4 with Christian Bale was pretty good and there was a T5 but all I remember is some nonsense about Arnold jumping out of a plane to land on another plane or some crap like that. I recall watching it to the end and thinking it was a waste of time and contributed little to the film series; a lot of people felt the same way about T3 but the two lead actors were very weak in that one. I watched the original Rocky movie but meandered through the sequels, making it to the end of Rocky 2 (it was okay) but had trouble finishing Rocky 3. I think they made at least two more that I didn't see at all, in part because my opinion of the sport of boxing nosedived completely. I did stop going to the theaters around the time that cellphones got popular but I've noticed that I really start to devalue any public event with people interacting with their smartphone or their phones are making tweety noises or anything else. I never minded a baby crying at a movie or public venue because I think young parents need a chance to get the hell out of the house so that I will cheerfully put up with. I don't like talkers but don't mind people just whispering at a movie. I notice I get annoyed with smartphones increasingly. Why can't those people just stay home and cuddle with their gadgets in private instead of involving everyone else in their little habit? I even dislike the glow of their screens in a darkened theater, dislike seeing them pull them out and punch away on them, etc. It devalues the entire experience. The theaters should throw anyone out who pulls out a phone inside a dark theater; they can go to the lobby if their muted phone rings and they just have to answer it. This is actually a major problem for theaters as more and more people hate the experience of trying to watch a movie while the gadgets are going off and glowing in the dark around them. It's very distracting. It's kind of odd that Hollyweird never gives out much info on this kind of viewership, intermittent viewers like me, people sick of the Smartphone Addicts in the theaters, etc. Their marketing teams have to know this stuff but they never talk about it in public. It's interesting though that most people seem to believe that everyone has seen every hit movie when that's clearly not the case. However, the moviegoers who are big film fans are a small minority, most often young couples who are dating and make regular movie nights. Hit movies are never as pervasive as people seem to assume they are. If you think this post was long, don't even ask how much I hate those goddamned Marvel superhero movies. I'd rather have dentistry without sedation than try to sit through any more of those abortions.
I enjoyed the remorse. I still want him convicted and in prison. I would vote to convict so fast... Hell, I'd probably start laughing at the defense attorney as soon as he started to present his case. I intensely dislike people who keep vicious dogs and don't supervise them closely. My friendship with a good friend was kind of ruined after his German shepherd - which he trained to be aggressive and had used it to attack a few guys that were menacing him - almost ripped half of his toddler niece's face off at a family BBQ. He told me that he thought she might have stepped on its tail or something (I didn't buy it). There was always something a little menacing about that dog and he knew it. She had extensive reconstructive surgery but still has visible scars from it as an adult. That was entirely preventable. You prevent it by shooting the dog before it hurts children. Then you get a nice friendly dog, like a golden Lab. Or a little dog that can't actually do that much harm to a person, even a child.
NAILED it! There is no such thing as accepting personal responsibility with some people. I have no doubt his ONLY thought is "How could this happen to ME?",with no thought or concern at all for the little girl. BTW,I know a BUNCH of people who own multiple pit bulls,and their dogs are not and never have been a threat to anyone acting normally. I do NOT recommend you start beating on one of their children when any of the dogs are around,but other than that you are good. Very nice,very friendly dogs. It is the OWNERS that train these dogs to be aggressive.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I stopped going to movies back when Eddie Murphy was still making funny movies. I went to see the last one he made,and being mostly deaf,was having a hard time understanding what the actors were saying on the screen,due to all the homies in the audience giving "shout outs" to each other and talking to the actors. One was sitting directly in front of me and kept shouting out profound thoughts like "NO,DON'T,YOU STUPID BITCH!" so in a calm and polite manner (truthfully),I tapped him on the shoulder and explained to him that I am hard of hearing and have a hard time understanding what is going on when he talks to the actors and his friends,so could he please (yes,I DID say "please") stop doing that. His reply was "Bleep YOU,honkie Bleeper!" By the time it occurred to me that I had him in a choke hold he was already unconscious,so I let him go to finish his nap/possible dirt nap in his seat and pondered what to do. Given that I am white and most of the movie goers were black,including all the homies he had been shouting out to while the lights were still on,I saw this as a no-win situation. Especially since all I had with me was my 5 shot 44 Special "go to town gun" with no reloads. So I got up and left before the movie was even halfway over. I checked the obits in the paper for several days as well as watched the news,and there were no reports of any dead thugs being found in the theater,so I guess homie survived. I can only assume he will have a little less "mouf" on him in the future unless he is with a dozen or so of his "bruthas". The only exception I have made since then was going to see the sci-fi movie several years ago by Ridley Scott that featured 7 foot tall hot alien women (blue?) that lived in trees. Even then I went to a movie in a section of the city that is mostly white where thugs would be evicted if you complained. Which really wasn't a problem because most blacks seem to have no interest in Sci-Fi. Probably not enough car chases and bitches for them. Can't remember the name now,but IIRC,Signore Weaver was the only "name star". EXCELLENT movie even though the plot was a lame "evil capitalists raping a planet populated by peaceful natives" theme. I am looking forward to the sequel. When it does come out,I will once again pick a theater in a white area. I just don't have enough patience to play with fools and I don't like losing control like I did in the other movie. Another minute or two,and that goober would have been graveyard dead. We were both lucky.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
There was no remorse,only self-pity. The only thought in his head at that time was most likely "WHY did this happen to ME?" If the DA had refused to file charges,he would be home laughing about it because he got away with something.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I've seen that stuff, especially in big city theaters. Not nearly so much in small town theaters. I wouldn't even try to go to a theater in the city any more, wouldn't even consider it. You da man! I'd probably just walk out, complain to the manager about their lack of control over rowdy customers and demand my money back and make a public spectacle of it until I got the refund. You were virtually unarmed! : ) Smart move. I saw the Blu-ray at home. It was good, not up to the hype for it. Sort of a special effects milestone like Terminator 2 was. The bad news is that Ridley Scott is planning and moving toward at least FOUR sequels to it. Sort of an Avatar Cinematic Universe thing, like the Marvel Cinematic Universe wasn't bad enough. Don't worry, the White Planet Rapers will be back, again and again. I keep thinking there's no way to get that much mileage out of something with such limited themes and scope. Not enough for four sequels. Two, maybe.
You're probably closer to the mark than me. I got kind of sick of dogs running loose in the neighborhood a few years ago. I've gotten a hardened attitude toward dogs as a result. I just don't like them or want them near me any more. On balance, they aren't worth it. Of course, I do now a few people who have very winsome, very polite and affectionate dogs. No one could dislike those dogs. But they are very much the exception.
Not at all ...
I wouldn't worry too much about that. It has already been years since the first one was shown,and there hasn't even been any scripts presented for a new one. Chances are Scot is going to living in one of the Actors Homes for Fools long before he makes another one. IF another one is made,I hope the plot revolves around more than the stale old "the environment is being raped by greedy capitalists once again!" bullbush. Loved the movie,hated the lame-ass plot. Or maybe more correctly,the "plod" because I don't think that ever rose to the level of being an actual "plot".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
You need to upgrade the class of your friends/acquaintances. I honestly don't know anyone that has out of control dogs. The truth is that if the dogs are viscous,so are the owners,so why bother with them? When I meet someone like that I just let them know that leaving me alone is key to their future survival,and that if I EVER catch them beating on their dogs to make them mean,I will beat on them to see how they like it. Mankind should strive to be half as noble as dogs are.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
BTW,I once lived with the best damn dog that was ever born,a BIG adult female Doberman that followed my 7 lb female cat home one day. When I opened the door to let the cat in,the Doberman came in too,crawled up in a chair,and laid down to take a nap. The cat jumped up in the chair to nap with her,so I wasn't all that worried. Biggest worry was she might be half as mean as the cat. Didn't turn out that way. Someone had obviously abandoned her as he was an adult who had puppies in the past,and she had no collar or ID. Nicest damn dog you have ever seen,as long as there were no children around and you didn't try to threaten the children in ANY respect,or didn't try to threaten me.Either was a BIG time Bozo No-No. Other than that,she was a real sweetheart that loved to drink beer and eat hotdogs. I tried giving her some white whiskey once,but quickly figured out that was bad idea and never did it again. People used to call me up and invited me to parties,but the truth is they were invited the Dobie because they always said "Make sure you bring Natasha." The ONLY time I ever saw her go onto alert around strangers where when some fool was acting in a threatening manner towards me,or when someone left a baby laying around at a party. The instant she spotted a baby,she would run over to sit down beside it and snarl at anybody that got close. Which pretty much agreed with my philosophy of life that states "ANYONE who purposely harms a baby needs to have their asses chewed up and spit out",so I never tried to alter that behavior. The day she died was the saddest day of my life. I miss her so much I can't own another dog because I couldn't stand the loss again. It was dogs like her that were responsible for the creation of the saying "If you want to live a just life,TRY to be the man your dog THINKS you are." No truer words have ever been spoken. BTW,I THINK I read that somewhere,but it's possible I came up with it on my own. I couldn't agree with it any more regardless of who first thought it.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
You know that's just not true. It's just bilge spouted by dog-lovers. Remember that little Fifi will eat your corpse if you die and no one discovers you and provides other food for Fifi. And some dogs that have been well-treated will chew off and swallow human parts for no good reason at all. Dogs also will make wanton killings of livestock and wildlife. So let's not start with all the dog worship cultish bullcrap. BTW, do you own any dogs?
I had an outstanding dog and a horse and a cat. They had great attributes as animals and companions and could do some astonishing things. But they were not human beings. I have known a few people who get overly attached to animals, sometimes to the point that they end up without human companionship. I was always careful not to elevate an animal to the status of a human being. This isn't India where we let people starve because we worship the docile qualities of cattle so much that we won't slaughter a cow to feed starving people. I don't mean to sound cold but I never equate an animal with human beings and I never will. Primitive societies have done that sort of thing and it is always an error. Animals are animals and, whatever their attributes, are never the equal of a human being.
So will you,Bubba. AFATG,so will your best friends,family,and neighbors if they happen to be locked away with you and your corpse is their only food source. Even if they have to make it a corpse. BTW, do you own any dogs? Not anymore. Can't stand to lose another one. I have cats now,and they will also eat my corpse after a few days of going hungry if they have nothing else to eat. And I hope they do,if necessary. Not like it's going to hurt me.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
But they were not human beings. Lucky you! I don't mean to sound cold but I never equate an animal with human beings and I never will. You have my sympathy if you think that is a good thing.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
A (relatively) local man had a mean dog. The cops came out after it scared a delivery guy very badly, tried to get him to confine it. He refused, told them to go away. A few months later, it killed his two children. No one knew why. The dog was destroyed. The family was destroyed. No animal is worth more than a person. We may love an individual dog more than we love any person we know but that does not make the dog worth more than a human. People personify animals they adore. But those feelings we have for them do not make them into a person. I think this would be apparent to more people if they didn't have cute features and pretty fur. A dog without the fur would never be as loved. And dogs are so much prettier now than they were 50 years ago. They have more appealing features that make them appear to have more personality. They are the same animals, just much prettier therefore we endow them emotionally with more human qualities. There are scientific studies about this.
A few months later, it killed his two children. No one knew why. Good thing people never do anything like that,huh?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Animals aren't people. And they can be as good or bad as people, with or without cause, just like people can be. I don't think they merit being considered equal to people but I know that they are not better than people. People give excess loyalty to dogs because dogs are so loyal to them because they see them as the alpha male of the dog pack, the dominant male that their lives revolve around. It is more appealing emotionally than most people realize. But dogs are, essentially, psychopaths. They can't have a conscience because they can't possess a real sense of what we call right and wrong; they have no actual remorse or shame but they are good at faking it, just as they are programmed by instinct to go belly-up to show submission to an alpha male or alpha female in a dog pack. They inherit this behavior from their wolf ancestors. They are good at pretending remorse if their alpha male is angry at them. Again, we read into their display a genuine human-like remorse. It is we who project these human characteristics onto them, qualities they cannot possibly possess. Dogs are the finest companion animals because they are so well-suited to humans in so many ways. But they are still just animals and can never be more.
MOST people are nothing but animals. True,Dim voters and Antifa people are vegetables,but vegetable that started as human animals.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I don't think you really mean that.
Having grown up with bird dogs and enjoying all the great hunting with my dad...I now feel the same way. In 2010, all four of my immediate family got bitten/attacked by dogs. I got tagged first by a German short hair, while chatting with the owner. The dog ripped my fore arm in a split second and was gone. Owner didn't seem to notice even though I was dripping blood like Josey Wales in that last scene. Shortly there after, my wife was jogging along our country road when she got her hand torn up by a mixed breed crap hound. We had to call animal control to get the owner to show proof rabies shots. Next was my son, about 12 at the time. A tail-wagging yellow lab entered the area, came straight to my kid and bit his kneecap (to blood). Again, happened in a flash, no provocation. Finally, my 10 year old daughter was rescued by a quick thinking neighbor who pulled her from the jaws of vicious dog that was new to our community (owned by welfare folks who moved into a mobile home up the road a piece). The neighbor and my daughter were absolutely terror stricken. Another neighbor of ours now has six dogs, maybe more. He's gone all the time, but keeps the dogs in those plastic kennels, stacked two high and three wide against a wall. I can hear those dogs barking inside his house from a quarter mile away. I'm waiting for one of those pent up critters to get loose and come after one of my calves... The problem I see is that people are using dogs to fill some emotional void in their lives. But they aren't taking care of them and the dogs end up hurting, or simply annoying everybody nearby.
Woh! That's kind of amazing. Who would expect something like that in four separate incidents in just a year, just statistically? But then, in a country of 350M people, stuff does happen. What's sad is that people don't feel they can trust dogs at all after things like that happen. Kids that get bit or even threatened by a dog just don't want to be around them after that. Some people even get a PTSD thing from a dog attack (or animal attack). BTW, have you ever read the stats on cow attacks? Yep, every year some people get killed. And it isn't just bulls or steers attacking either. Fact: Cattle kill more people every year than sharks do. Gizmodo: Cows Are Deadlier Than You Ever Knew And you know they get a little nuts about taking their calves. So many dogs in the city sit in little kennels in the backyard or an empty house 95% of the time. I've seen some that are supposed to be hunting dogs and they only take them out of the backyard cage kennel a few times a year to go hunting with. And sometimes you see these dogs on a rope in a backyard or in a little kennel, no interaction with anything 99% of the time and it reminds you of a hobby that people have lost interest in. Yeah, they feed and water them and that's about it. They can't seem to get rid of them but they won't give them the time needed to give them a real life. Just like raising kids, you have to give them your time and interaction, not just feed them and hope for the best.
Of course I mean that. If I didn't,I would be an idiot. If you are not an animal,what are you,a rock?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Are you SURE it was unprovoked,or are you just taking your son's word for it? I have never heard of a yellow lab or any other lab making unprovoked attacks on anyone. People DO have a natural tendency to selectively see or not see things connected to their kids. I once watched the only son of a cousin reach over and pinch the nuts of his sleeping pet dachshund,and when the dog yipped and snapped at him,he started crying and then smiled while his idiot father started to beat the hell out of the dog. I stopped him and told him it was his son's fault for pinching the dogs nuts while he was sleeping,and he didn't believe me. Even then IF he had looked at his sons eyes he could have seen the glee in them,but he just wouldn't look because he KNEW in his heart his son was perfect in every way. SOB grew up to be a sneak thief,a coward,and a bully.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Yeah, I'm a human being. And I am not an animal by definition. I'm not going to get into some semantic wordplay argument over whether "animals are people too". Or the obverse, "people are animals too". Humans are humans and animals are animals. By law and custom. That is the basic reality of it and has been for thousands of years since we domesticated the first species for our benefit.
Exactly,but the truth is these same people would tie their kids out in the yard and ignore them if they could get away with it because they care nothing about nobody or no one but themselves.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Which makes you,by definition,an animal. Humans are humans and animals are animals. By law and custom. That is the basic reality of it and has been for thousands of years since we domesticated the first species for our benefit. People used to believe all sorts of stupid shit,and it seems many still do.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
That video was hysterical! And perfect timing, too. I have just now come in from halter training a six month old heifer calf. Her mother was in the pasture with us the whole time (I normally keep them separated). But it wasn't the cow giving me that treatment...it was the calf! At around 200 pounds she was putting her head into me just about like that dude was getting from that mama cow. I'll be "stove up" for a week! What are those cows? Look like Angus/Jersey/Holstein cross. I have a buddy who has a pair of black Jerseys. Don't ask me how they got to be that color...but they make a ton of milk. Yes, that was a freaky year for dog bites. No lasting trauma but we do shy away from dogs and dislike them in general.
The yellow lab is one the most gregarious and friendly dogs, I think. But out of hundreds of millions of them, well, sooner or later you might find one that snaps at a kid for something rather petty. Maybe the kid keeps stepping on its paws when walking by, or steps on its tail a few too many times, or pokes it in the eye or face or pokes around inside its ears or something. I think sometimes a dog does just put up with minor irritants for a while but they do finally get fed up with being treated like a piece of furniture or like a plush toy by some smelly toddler. Just because a dog is an animal doesn't mean it can't get annoyed, sometimes for a reason. I think there are dogs who just don't like kids because they have had a bad experience with them. These are the dogs that don't want to play with kids or who get up and walk off to a distance if kids are nearby. They make it clear they don't like interacting with kids by their behavior. Yet they are friendly enough with adults who the dog expects to have more polite behavior.
You're brave unless mama was a tame trusting cow. Just keep your legs together. You've seen how calves can butt mama to get her to let the last of her milk in her udder down into her teats. Those calves know how to butt. LOL Kind of a shame for your kids to end up dog-shy because of it. A lot of kids get bit or just real scared and they're nervous around dogs the rest of their lives, even tiny little harmless dogs that could barely nibble your ankles.
The exact opposite is true. Animals have feelings and egos,and everybody and everything with a pulse has a limit to how much crap they will put up with without drawing a line. I am sure Mother Theresa would try to scratch your eyes out if you pushed her too far. One of the most profound questions I have ever heard asked is "WHY is common sense so uncommon?"
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Yeah, Pete, it was totally unprovoked. We were all in a horse barn, standing together, visiting the woman who owns the barn when a man and his kids came in followed by the lab. The dog went straight to my kid and latched onto his knee. Shocked everybody! We were all watching the dog, of course, and it seemed so surreal. I don't even think the dog knew why it decided to bite...it wasn't even angry or alarmed...it just bit! Like I told TC, it was a freaky year for dog biting. I know what you're saying, though, about kids being mean to animals. And I also know that humans can act like animals, even worse, much worse.
True,they are really missing out. A lot of kids get bit or just real scared and they're nervous around dogs the rest of their lives, even tiny little harmless dogs that could barely nibble your ankles. Not so true. It is the tiny little dogs that are the quickest to bite and it is BECAUSE they are so little. Even a small child can break their bones or even kill them by accident and the dogs know this. It's one of the things that makes so many tiny dogs so unstable. They ARE dogs,and they instinctively KNOW they are supposed to love humans,yet they also instinctively know they can be crippled or killed by accident by even the smallest human. It's also one reason very small dogs make the best guard dogs for your house. They get excited/scared over anything unusual,and will start yipping and raising alarms while all a big dog will do is walk to the door or window and cock his head in curiosity,and MAYBE quietly snarl a little. My dobie used to do this after looking at me to see if I knew there was someone at the door,and decided I wasn't paying enough attention. If I was looking at the door,she would just sit in front of it and wait to see what happened. Coming in without me opening the door and telling her it was ok was NOT a good idea. BTW,one of the oddest and funny things I have ever seen was that full-grown big dobie trying to babysit the cats kittens while the cat was outside. Her teeth were too big to pick them up by the nape of their necks to bring them into the living room where I was,so she would put the whole kitten in her mouth with the head sticking out,and then trot into the living room and gently drop them into the floor one by one and then go back and get another. Once she had them all,she would lay on her side and use her paws to draw them towards her nipples so they could feed. Never mind she had no milk or that they were probably too big for the kittens mouths,she was trying. It was really funny to watch her try to play with them once they got their eyes open and were moving around. A kitten would jump up and grab her by the kneecap,and she would fall over just like she was tackled,and then try to slap box with them. The problem was her paws were so big she would send them spinning. I didn't even worry about locking the apartment when I left while the kittens were still there. If you came in,you would still be there when I got home. She was VERY protective of those kittens,
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Maybe. You do see people tether toddlers when they're wandering around a mall. It's been some years since I've seen it but some people still do. More often, I now notice the toddlers up to 6yo riding the sides of the shopping carts at Walmart, like some little gang of possums handing off mama's belly. And the poor mom is pushing the cart along like it's the Bataan death march. Man, it takes a lot of patience to parent kids well and not just flip out completely now and then. Now sneakypete will be cooking up a reply to say that if people aren't animals, how can you put a toddler on a leash... I always recall how at about age 4 I was standing on a street corner with my 3 siblings and mom and we were crossing the street and I thought it was time to cross. I had had very little experience in crossing streets. I started to step out and my mom grabbed me out of the path of a big truck that missed me by only a few inches. So I get why these parents want that leash on their toddler. The little people just get some idea in their heads and do something impulsive.
Kind of a shame for your kids to end up dog-shy because of it. Mama cow made some runs at me but stopped just short of contact. She was disturbed to see her calf lunging at the end of a rope. We got it all straightened out, the calf settled down eventually. I turned them loose together and let them run the length of the field several times. It was a sight to see! My kids are tough. My wife is even tougher! She has been hinting that she'd like to get a dog but I told her she'd have to wait until I'm dead. She's considering it...
I meant that his kids might be dog-shy even as adults. I don't see little dogs biting adults ever. But they do bite kids for the reasons you state. It is because dogs have become so adapted to us. A dog can adopt and be very emotionally attached to children or to kittens or a number of human-friendly species. An old mama dog can feel very protective toward calves in the family's herd, just like she is toward the kids in the family or to a cat in the family. Cats can also adopt somewhat but just aren't capable of doing as much for, say, a puppy. I think it is also rarer for a dog to adopt another's puppy or a cat another's kitten. The smell and other stuff makes it less likely. So I would be less surprised that your mama dog would adopt those kittens than I would be if she adopted another dog's pups. Cats and dogs are able to adopt because they are so domesticated and so much more socialized toward pack behavior that centers around humans, especially dogs who have been in human company for a few thousand years longer than cats have.
Well, yada-yada-yada, been there, done that, probably ain't worth more words. I think you know what I mean. Cows! You have arguments to make. The smell of a canine can trip the trigger of cows because they are instinctive about considering a dog to be the same as a coyote or a wolf. Cows do get more hostile around canine species, just the smell alone can make cows more stressed out and antsy. Your cows will be, at least at first, more dangerous because dogs are around than if the cattle were just dealing with you, their alpha male, the human they know, the one they tolerate or even like. Or both at various times. The smell of dogs can make cattle more likely to charge you or to engage in kicking behaviors or to do the heads-together-in-a-circle herd defensive move. Cattle evolved that technique to protect themselves and their calves from wolf pack attacks so they can kick outward at the wolves trying to approach. It's actually a bit like how they used pikemen in medieval battles. An interesting behavior for an animal species to develop. Yet, it seems instinctive, not a learned herd behavior being passed down as part of cow culture in the herd from generation to generation. Instinct vs. learned behaviors is always an facet of animal husbandry that is fascinating. Cows! [If you know what I mean, I don't need to say more. LOL] If your wife insists on a dog, start out easy, like with a pup and let the cows get used to the dog's smell so they know that is your dog and that he belongs there and isn't a threat like a wild dog or wolf.
I appreciate that you understand cows (way more than I do!). Not many can say that anymore. Back in the Depression lot's of folks had cows, dairy and otherwise. People don't have that today. Imagine if we had another Great Depression scenario...
You just need more time in the salt mines of the cattle industry. When your knowledge of cows extends over decades instead of years, nothing surprises you any more. Look at some of the old cattlemen and dairymen that you know. They could tell you a lot of cow stories. But sooner or later, just saying "Cows!" or "Damned cows!" is shorthand. I like those old guys. They've seen it all over the course of a lifetime. Nothing surprises them.
Sometimes animals can be triggered by smell or sound or they can be antsy because of violent weather patterns or other stuff. I always tell myself that there was a reason if only I knew enough about how the animal perceived what was happening to it. A socialized dog doesn't just run up and bite for no reason. In the dog's head, at that moment, it all made perfect sense to him to bite.
Everything in the known universe is either animal,vegetable,or mineral. Pick one and I will take your word for it unless you are a Dim or a RINO,and don't pick "vegetable".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I am not an animal. I'm a human being. When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.
Female cats are VERY social,and commonly feed each others kittens in the wild. Mama cats have to hunt and eat too,so they are always babysitting for each other. It's tomcats that cause the trouble. They sometimes want to kill the kittens so the mothers go into heat again. One reason mama cats hang together in the wild. There ain't no creature I can think of that works harder or needs more patience than a female cat with a litter of kittens.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I don't think there is any question that pretty much every animal species that exists can tell bad weather is coming LONG before humans have an inkling. In fact,it is a wise human in the wild that pays attention to the way the wildlife is acting. When you see them all running for cover,it's probably a good idea for you to follow them.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I didn't mention earthquakes but those too. I think they alert sooner to wildfires but we notice this mostly because humans have some of the lousiest noses on earth. I think the animals catch the faint hints of smoke on the wind far sooner than we do.
I agree,but there just ain't no explaining the earthquake sensing thing. There is also no denying it as VERY real. Like I wrote earlier,when you see the wildlife starting to panic,YOU need to start panicking,too.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal. I think you refer to yourself and think of yourself as a man, an adult human being. I know the point you're arguing but that is an intellectual and philosophical construct. Deep down, regardless of what you say, you know you are a man, a human being. And you know that you are not an animal, a very limited class of beings.
I routinely refer to myself as a man. Lately as a old man. If asked to be more specific,I say I am a human. If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species. Not that any of this makes any difference at all. Things are what they are,regardless of how we wish they might be.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'm not sure just how many times you've been waterboarded in an interrogation on this topic to the point where you finally confess you're an animal. : ) It's all good though. You win. I'm not that invested in the argument. And we shouldn't work so hard on Labor Day weekend. Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.
I THINK I am going to love it,but I got sick again right after I bought it,and all I have done with it is make payments. I am now officially in remission since last week,and am starting to feel a little better after losing 50 lbs of water weight. The chemo is starting to wear off to the point I can remember my name now most of the time. I am really hoping to use the new tractor to mow the fields around my house for a fire break before spring starts to pop and buttholes start setting fires. I bought a 48 inch cut rough mower to pull behind it,and with the 4 wheel drive it should do well. It would really be nice if I could pick up a couple of fields to mow next spring for a little money to help make the payments. I had to spend a LOT of money to buy it,but I didn't see me as having any other options after not being able to find anybody else willing to cut the grass around me. I used to cut that crap with a swing blade when I was in my 30's. By the time I was in my 50's I was having to cut it with a small 50's tractor and a bushhog. Then something happened and it started being flooded more often than not,and the small 2wd tractor was getting stuck,so I had to go with a riding mower and a string weed whacker. Yeah,the riding mower would get stuck too,but was MUCH easier to get out than an actual tractor. I could just pick up the rear of it and move it out of the hole it had dug,and then it would be easy to either drive away or hook a chain to it and pull it further out of the hole. So far the only time I have used my new 4X4 tractor was to pull a engine and trans out of a 37 Dodge truck to sell to a guy in Texas that was restoring a 37 Dodge farm truck and needed a engine and trans. Got 350 + 150 for crating for the engine and trans,and ran into the side of my new truck and got a 500 dollar dent in the side of the bed. My old tractor had shuttle shift,and I let the salesmen talk me into buying a constant drive system (forget what they call it now,but it has a forward pedal in the floor,and a reverse pedal right beside it). I was going in from the side to load the engine and trans,and the tractor started rolling forward when it got close to the truck,so I stomped on the "brake pedal" to stop it,but it was no longer the brake pedal. In the new tractor it was the "forward pedal". Still a little steamed about that one. Still,I have enjoyed parking it near where I was working on something in the yard this summer,and being able to jump into the cab and turn the AC on to cool down without having to go to the house,and the bucket was always handy for carrying tools and other stuff around. I am HOPING to be feeling good enough to hook it up to the rough mower and start hitting the 8 foot high grass before the end of November. If I do get it stuck,I can probably pull it out using my big 2 wheel drive tractor and a lot of chains. Tried using the big tractor with the bush hog a few years ago,and got about 30 feet out of the yard and it bottomed out. Both wheels were spinning clear and not touching anything. I have a 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 truck with a modified 390 Ford engine in it and big tires,so when a guy I knew happened to stop by,I got him to get in the big tractor (right at 10,000 lbs) to steer it and put it in reverse when I snatched it out of the hole. I then hooked a logging chain to the big tractor and the 37 Dodge and snatched it right out of that hole! I'm not going to say how fast I was going when the logging chain came tight,but it felt like the 37 came right up off the ground when it did. I did pull the big tractor out,though. I sure don't want to do that again,though. The new tractor only weighs about 3,000 lbs. I will probably start testing it by just driving it around out where I want to cut without the mower being hooked to it. Easier to hook chains to it to pull it out if I don't have to unhook the mower and then have to try to pull it out. If worse comes to worse there is a guy up the road that has a big 4x4 tractor with 4 mud tires on the rear and 4 more up front that I can get to come and pull it out for me,but that's not the kind of thing I can make a habit out of asking for.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'm sad to hear about the chemo. I know what a challenge that can be. Rural areas are getting more depopulated. And you can't find teens willing to work, not even odd jobs or seasonal stuff. You win some, you lose some. It sucks but it's not too bad an explanation. I know how that goes. I've used a bigger tractor to pull out the mowing tractor in swampy ground myself years back. It's always a mess. Sometimes, it's amazing the crap we can wade into, all innocent like. I know I have. Then you realize you've gotten into a pretty pickle. Really annoying. You need to get your rig out of the swamp so you can finish mowing/swathing the damned field so it cures along with the rest of your hay. My blood pressure goes up a little just thinking about some of my own Adventures In Swampy Mowing. Smart. If you get stuck, you don't want to wreck the mower while pulling out your mowing rig. Where I lived, the last resort was to call the commissioner and ask him to send a maintainer to pull you out. I never had to do it myself but was glad I didn't. The local gossip mills were already busy enough without some fresh tidbit like that to chew on.
Enough tractor talk! I need a progress report on the 34 Ford...stat Focus, man! Focus! Pete, glad you are in remission.
The local gossip mills were already busy enough What is a commissioner and a maintainer? Somehow, it's all making sense now...lol
A county commissioner is an elected official who directly supervises road crews and conducts county business. So you might typically have a county that will have 3 county commissioners, each in charge of rural road maintainence in their district in the county. They also approve the budgets of every tax entity in the county and they are the elected board who determines the size of the courthouse staff, necessary county improvements, signing county contracts, etc. They are, in theory, superior to the other elected county officials like county clerks or treasurers, or technically superior to school board(s) within the county. So in most counties like this, you can do any county business at all if you can get two out of the three commissioners to agree by vote. They're like a board of supervisors in the counties of many states. Perhaps you use that name for them; I think I hear it more often in most states. What do you call your top county officials in your state? A maintainer is a road grader, used with a blade for dirt road maintainance or with a snowplow to clear snow drifts. If you get a tractor stuck in a swamp or a loaded semi stuck in a damp corn field, being on good terms so you can call your commissioner to send a maintainer is always good. I used to wonder what you do if you get a road grader stuck but I've realized that I've never heard of anyone managing to get one stuck. Nowadays, with 4wd tractors or tracked tractors or combines with dualies so much more common, you do have other options to get your neighbors to help.
You must live in a semi-rural place. I think it isn't hard to identify the local gossip mills. Start with the bar, add the churches (who don't gossip but do "share their concerns"), then the co-op, then a few other spots like the post office and the school bus barn. Usually courthouse and bank staff are more discreet, so are most businesses who know people will take their business out of town rather than have it bandied about by idle gossips. And in a lot of rural towns, if they don't know some gossip about you, they're content to just make up crap out of thin air and spread that around. If you have a rural address, you live in Hooterville.
being on good terms so you can call your commissioner to send a maintainer Okay. That's basically what we have. I never realized they would come on to private property to assist...what with liability and all.
The only 34 Ford I have left is the pu. I sold the coupe to a guy in ND that restored it for his museum. I do have a 33 Plymouth coupe and a 33 Dodge 4dr sedan,though. I have made zero progress on any of my cars since I started getting sick,with the exception of the 51 Ford Victoria I bought to drive around and enjoy for a while,and then sell so I could get the money to work on my "keepers". Selling my 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 for the same reason. The 51 Vicky was a stock original car that had been sitting for decades,and even though it ran,the auto trans (1st year for Ford) wouldn't move the car,the gas tank had a rust hole in it big enough to stick my fist through,there was no master cylinder on the car or anywhere around it,brake lines rusted out,brake hoses cracked and rotten,tires split,upholstery torn and the springs showing where the driver sits,etc,etc,etc. It is now a running and driving car with what I THINK is around 76k original miles on it,and I wouldn't be afraid to drive it cross-country at 60-65 mph. Even had the seats reupholstered because I got tired of sitting in a hole and having a spring poke me in the ass while driving down the road. New tires,new wheels,gas tank,gas lines,brakes,brake lines,master cylinder,new water pumps,new hoses,belts,plug wires,plugs,points,condenser,distributor cap,battery Have all new chrome for it except the front bumper,and it is in a body shop now to get painted. Painting it back the original pale yellow and black. The only non-original part in the car is the new aluminum radiator. The original brass and copper radiator blew apart once I started driving the car. Since I am neither restoring or going to keep the car I decided to buy a new aluminum radiator for 198 bucks,versus the 850 bucks for a new brass and copper one. If the next owner wants a brass and copper radiator,they can always buy it themselves. The 37 Dodge sits on a 72 F-250 4X4 chassis and has a modified 390 Ford FE engine in it. Freaks people out when I cruise past them running 70. Forgot how to post photos here. Sorry.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
If your commissioner was elected by only a few votes out of a pool of a hundred voters, they do get more responsive to requests by voters. : ) The more rural you are, the more this is true.
I keep asking myself where they still get whitewall tires to complete that classic look. Can't recall how long it's been since I've seen them in a tire shop. I suppose they're a specialty item and you have to find a place to order them. Probably pricey. C'mon, that used to be a 37 Dodge. Now it's a Frankentruck. Use: < img src="https://someserver.com/some-girly-photo.jpg"> (but omit the space right after the < character) Here's a pretty one, restored.
That's the one! I have loved those trucks since about 8th grade when an upperclassman began driving his to school. He had something like a 350 4 barrel in it with manual trans...all very simple, not much restoration. I googled the 51 Victoria...does your Victoria have a straight 6 or a flat head v8? Yeah, a 37 Dodge 4x4 passing me at 70 would freak me out too! Then I'd floor it to get a better look!
Coker Tire in Tn is one of them,and yes,they are pricey. They are also assholes,which is no surprise when you consider Coker was a leftist Dim congresscritter up until recently. You can even get radial wide whitewalls if you want,and can afford them., There are also other places,but I don't remember their names now because I have no interest in that stuff. The tires I put on the 51 were 215 x 15 radials with narrow whitewalls. I used new rims because radials don't "play well" with early steel wheels designed for bias ply tires. The flex can cause old rivets to pop and rims to crack. The Dodge pu you show is a half-ton. The 3/4 ton and larger trucks use a different cab,fenders,hood,and grille.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I sometimes have mixed feelings about vintage vehicles. You have the pure stock vehicles. Then you have the ones dressed in extremely fancy modern paint jobs that don't look real at all; no vehicle of that era ever looked like that. Stock vintage like this: Maybe I'm just not a hot rod guy. But that era was receding by the Sixties so I never knew those guys, not in my age group.
Ah, I thought it looked too lightweight. Wikipedia and DDG are weak on Dodge truck pictures from the Thirties. A while back, I was rather amazed to see the ongoing market for 6x6 military trucks on eBay. Pretty amazing stuff if you want a brute of a truck for $5K-$7K. Uses gas/diesel/kerosene/motor oil as fuel, air brakes, air compressor for air tools, 2.5 ton cargo capacity, snorkel, winch, etc. And really built to last. They aren't fast but they make perfect swamp trucks, ready for anything. And they would survive a major EMP blast too. Even Scotty Kilmer approves of it and it isn't even a 1994 Toyota. I really liked this old boy. Knew his stuff, easy to watch, good presenter.
That's the one! I have loved those trucks since about 8th grade when an upperclassman began driving his to school. He had something like a 350 4 barrel in it with manual trans...all very simple, not much restoration. I am creating the 34 pu I wanted when I was in high school,several years ago. Stock body with a dropped front axle. Cab and bed painted Hondarus Maroon,fenders and running boards painted black. Putting a dual quad 312 Ford Y-block Ford engine in it. The intake,teapot carbs, and cam are from the "E-Bird" option list. The intake,carbs,and triangular low-mount air cleaner came off a stock 57 T-Bird a guy in Idaho had. He took them off his T-bird in the early 60's and put it all under his workbench. A guy I know that knows him asked him if he wanted to sell it,and then told me about it. I got it all except for the original "trash can" gas filter. Last I heard,those go for about 850 these days. I also have a set of the original "thunderbird" finned aluminum valve covers sitting on the 312 in my shop floor. The engine currently has a 3x2 setup on it. Using a 3 speed + OD unit from a 80's Ford F-150 pu for a transmission. They are stronger than the original 39 transmissions everybody used to use (which ain't saying much),have overdrive,are open drive so using my 9 inch rear is no problem,and are a HELL of a lot cheaper than a good 39 trans these days. All I have to do is grind a little off the input shaft for clearance,and it will bolt to the original Y-Block bellhousing with only minor modifications. Best of all,with that tall shifter sticking straight up out of the center of the transmission hump,it will LOOK LIKE a 39 Ford trans. I even have a old beer tap clear plastic logo to use as a shift knob. I googled the 51 Victoria...does your Victoria have a straight 6 or a flat head v8? Original flathead V-8 and Fordomatic transmission. First year for an automatic transmission in a Ford,but the truth is it is a Borg-Warner 3 speed (everybody thinks they are 2 speed because if you put it in drive it starts out in 2nd gear) that is identical to auto trans used by Studebaker back then. I do have a straight flat 6 in my 51 Ford business coupe,though. Just found and bought a knudsen finned aluminum high compression head for it,with the matching 3x1 intake. Going to use glass bowl 1904 Holley carbs with it,and will be running a 3/4 cam with split exhaust and glass packs. Right now I am driving it with the stock engine. Will modify the engine when I pull the body off the coupe to do the bodywork. Even bought a rotisserie so I can do the body work at a height and angle that doesn't kill my back. Right now it has a 3 speed manual trans and overdrive,but I plan on converting it to FOM,also. Have a rebuilt 51 FOM,torque converter,flex plate and the FOM driveshaft and 3:31 rear sitting in my shop floor. Even have a 51 FOM steering box and steering column (they are different and longer than the standard shift stuff). All I am lacking is an original bellhousing for a flat 6 with a FOM,and can't find one to save my life. Ford advertised the FOM was an option with the flat 6,but I have never talked with anybody that has seen one. Not even the people who work at the Dearborn museum can remember ever seeing one. Looks like I am going to have to make my own adaptor using a PU bellhousing as a base to start from Going to paint it back the original Ford pale yellow and use the original gray with red and blue pinstripe mohair seat material,but am going to paint the dash and window mouldings a deep metallic green. Going to nose and deck it,and install a 55 DeSoto grille I have been saving. Pinstriping on the dash maybe a little on the body. Think "mid-50's white trash hot rod/mild custom". The kind of car 16 year old kid's aunt would give them that they could afford to build on a helpers paycheck. Something they would actually drive around in.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
The ones on the top and bottom left were typical 50'/60's hot rods, Top right is a over-restored version,and bottom right is a show car abortion. I actually prefer the red one on bottom left,but my truck cab is unmodified,and I just can't bring myself to channel it and chop the top. I MIGHT shorten the bed a little,but that's it. Even then I will save what I cut off so after I die the next owner can bring it back to stock if they want. I am making no modifications to either the chassis or body that can't be brought back to original easily. The one top left is what you would normally see being driven around. Straight stock cab and bed with flat paint that didn't need to be washed and waxed all the time. Aftermarket headlights with turn signals in them,"modern" steel wheels and 15 inch tires.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I have ridden a mile or two in the backs of those things,and riding in one is NOT for older people who are no longer flexible. They will flat beat you to death on a bumpy road. We had one at our camp in Kontum that we would use for PX runs to Pleiku. IIRC,the motor pool sgt had done something to it,and it would run maybe 65 MPH. We would just blow right past the 4th Division convoys tooling along at 45 MPH,and it would REALLY piss them off. There was at least one ambush on that highway pretty much every day because the 4th Division were running convoys to an artillery base they had outside of Kontum,and the NVA wanted to blow up the artillery shells. Which is why we didn't want to get mixed up in that convoy. If you were a lone truck driving down the road by yourself,it was almost a guarantee nobody would shoot at you and give away their position because they were waiting to ambush the artillery resupply convoy. We just couldn't get past them quick enough to suit us. The funny part is everybody seemed to think riding down that road alone was dangerous,and the opposite was true. Hell,I have hitchhiked from Pleiku to Kontum and ended up riding there on the back of a Honda 90 operated by a ARVN soldier. Easy peasy,with not a hint of trouble. Target too small to bother with.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
It isn't as pretty as the others but it is the one I like. The one that people back in the Thirties would actually recognize. And a very flat paint job. They may look pretty with a neon paint job but they don't look authentic.
Yeah but if you bought one now, you'd be tooling around your home county, not going cross-country for hours. If I decided to move South to a swampy area with a backcountry homestead, a truck like that would handle anything. You just weren't worth their ammo. That isn't so unusual in warfare when ammo is scarce. Recall "Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes" from the Battle of Bunker Hill at the beginning of our Revolutionary War. Same basic thinking. And before firearms, I imagine the archers were told the same thing about conserving their arrows.
It isn't as pretty as the others but it is the one I like. Me,too,but I actually think it is prettier than either show truck. The fenderless red one is pretty neat,too. I used to see more of them than anything else. They were practically the east coast version of the t-bucket. People would channel them and build them just like a t-bucket,with a bed shortened to be just big enough to hold the battery and gas tank. No fenders,or hood. Seemed like they were all over the place at one time.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Classic hot rod, pretty paint and decal. I don't mind it because it looks pretty stock, something that closely resembles the original models. Those wheels are pretty hot roddish though. I like it but I think they knew when to stop with the paint/decal/wheels. They let the classic design features speak for themselves. A vehicle with beautiful design, reminds me a bit of a Rolls Royce grill and classic Brit luxury car fenders and running boards. But can ZZ Top do this with their coupe? What a nut! LOL After putting the rice rockets in their place, he managed to get stuck. Those slutty rice rockets wouldn't let his truck go. That's why you buy the truck equipped with a winch and never back up.
They really define the term 'hot rod'. When you say 'hot rod', most of us (of a certain age) think of them first. Hell, any kid with middling mechanical skills could buy an old one cheap off some farmer, fix it up, and have a car, dirt cheap. And they competed on who could build the nicest ones while spending the least. So much cooler than just buying an old Hudson or Edsel from a widow's estate. Some of those Hudson Hornets were gorgeous. Citroen style in a heavy American car. The 4-door sedans were great too.
Fact: Cattle kill more people every year than sharks do. My bull just left the property! Thankfully, it was in a trailer! Traded him to a big farm about 10 miles from here. They were happy to get some new bloodline...and I was happy to see him go. No more waking up at 3 am to make sure he wasn't out killing one of my neighbors. (He would get crazy at night)
Some bulls just aren't sociable. Then you get the ones that decide to exhibit the herding instinct toward the cows - like stallions will herd their mares - and you'll have a bull blocking a bridge you want to get the herd to cross because he just thinks it's a bad idea and he'll butt at any cow who tries to pass. I've seen a young bull do that twice with just passing through ordinary pasture gates to another pasture. It's the bovine version of "None shall pass!" from Monty Python's Holy Grail movie. And while the bull is blocking the bridge or the gate, you're on the other side of the herd, trying to get them to slip past the bull. Comedy ensues. I was always amazed at how quickly bulls can decide to make life real interesting.
It's impossible to believe how quickly something that big can move when the want to move. You really have to see it for yourself to believe it.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
This bull did have that curious behavior you describe. If he was lying down and saw a cow moving toward water to get a drink he would haul himself up, run like mad, and push the cow off the water! Crazy, right. The same with hay at the hay feeder. Truth be told, I do miss him a little. He was very entertaining. To ease the loss, the farmer just dropped off a whole cow, professionally processed and vacuum sealed, beautiful steaks, burger, roasts. Oh, yeah.
It's impossible to believe how quickly something that big can move when the want to move. You really have to see it for yourself to believe it. I always wanted to make a gif. of him in action. The power in that thing was only matched by his agility. No truer words...you had to see it to believe it. He wasn't like one of those fighting bull in Spain, he was a massive pile of meat. But he could dance! That's why he kept me up at night...
I think it is in part an instinctive herding instinct. I think it's a common experience with bulls. But different things trigger it. It probably makes sense to the bull.
Yes, an instinctive herding instinct (to differentiate it from non-instinctive herding instincts apparently). Sometimes I write really repetitive drivel. And my proofreading is appalling. Good thing this isn't a news site and Stone has to pay us to write this stuff. LOL
Shh. You're the only one I pay to post here.
Sorry, I forgot my obligation to keep our arrangement secret. ; ) Just don't cut off my checks.
Owner of 3 Pit Bulls That Mauled 9-Year-Old Girl to Death Charged with Murder
Sigh … During the attack, neighbors shot one of the pit bulls.
If only some lowly public servant police officer had been there to shoot all of these dogs and prevent this tragic death … There were 36 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2018. Pit bulls contributed to 72% (26) of these deaths.”
Poster [Tooconservative] Comment: I am always happy to see pitbull owners prosecuted.
I hsve absolutely no problem when police officers shoot them – While some folks do …
#2. To: Gatlin (#1)
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I hsve absolutely no problem when police officers shoot them – While some folks do …
#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)
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Strange how you …
#4. To: Tooconservative (#2)
Gee, maybe he should have locked up his dogs before they killed an innocent little girl. Hence, the second photo.
#5. To: Gatlin, sneakypete (#3)
#6. To: misterwhite (#4)
The second photo is, "Woe is me. They charged me with murder".
#7. To: misterwhite (#4)
The second photo is, "Woe is me. They charged me with murder".
#8. To: Tooconservative (#5)
I did stop going to the theaters around the time that cellphones got popular but I've noticed that I really start to devalue any public event with people interacting with their smartphone or their phones are making tweety noises or anything else.
#9. To: Tooconservative (#6)
I enjoyed the remorse.
#10. To: sneakypete (#8)
One was sitting directly in front of me and kept shouting out profound thoughts like "NO,DON'T,YOU STUPID BITCH!" so in a calm and polite manner (truthfully),I tapped him on the shoulder and explained to him that I am hard of hearing and have a hard time understanding what is going on when he talks to the actors and his friends,so could he please (yes,I DID say "please") stop doing that.
His reply was "Bleep YOU,honkie Bleeper!" By the time it occurred to me that I had him in a choke hold he was already unconscious,so I let him go to finish his nap/possible dirt nap in his seat and pondered what to do.
Given that I am white and most of the movie goers were black,including all the homies he had been shouting out to while the lights were still on,I saw this as a no-win situation. Especially since all I had with me was my 5 shot 44 Special "go to town gun" with no reloads.
So I got up and left before the movie was even halfway over.
The only exception I have made since then was going to see the sci-fi movie several years ago by Ridley Scott that featured 7 foot tall hot alien women (blue?) that lived in trees. Even then I went to a movie in a section of the city that is mostly white where thugs would be evicted if you complained. Which really wasn't a problem because most blacks seem to have no interest in Sci-Fi. Probably not enough car chases and bitches for them.
Can't remember the name now,but IIRC,Signore Weaver was the only "name star". EXCELLENT movie even though the plot was a lame "evil capitalists raping a planet populated by peaceful natives" theme.
#11. To: sneakypete (#9)
There was no remorse,only self-pity. The only thought in his head at that time was most likely "WHY did this happen to ME?"
#12. To: Tooconservative (#5)
If you think this post was long ...
#13. To: Tooconservative (#10)
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The bad news is that Ridley Scott is planning and moving toward at least FOUR sequels to it.
#14. To: Tooconservative (#11)
I got kind of sick of dogs running loose in the neighborhood a few years ago. I've gotten a hardened attitude toward dogs as a result. I just don't like them or want them near me any more. On balance, they aren't worth it. Of course, I do now a few people who have very winsome, very polite and affectionate dogs. No one could dislike those dogs. But they are very much the exception.
#15. To: Tooconservative (#6)
She had extensive reconstructive surgery but still has visible scars from it as an adult. That was entirely preventable. You prevent it by shooting the dog before it hurts children. Then you get a nice friendly dog, like a golden Lab. Or a little dog that can't actually do that much harm to a person, even a child.
#16. To: sneakypete (#14)
Mankind should strive to be half as noble as dogs are.
#17. To: sneakypete (#15)
#18. To: Tooconservative (#16)
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Remember that little Fifi will eat your corpse if you die and no one discovers you and provides other food for Fifi.
#19. To: Tooconservative (#17)
I had an outstanding dog and a horse and a cat. They had great attributes as animals and companions and could do some astonishing things.
#20. To: sneakypete (#19)
#21. To: sneakypete (#18)
#22. To: Tooconservative (#20)
A (relatively) local man had a mean dog. The cops came out after it scared a delivery guy very badly, tried to get him to confine it. He refused, told them to go away.
#23. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#22)
#24. To: Tooconservative (#23)
But they are still just animals and can never be more.
#25. To: sneakypete (#24)
MOST people are nothing but animals.
#26. To: Tooconservative (#11)
I just don't like them or want them near me any more. On balance, they aren't worth it.
#27. To: watchman, sneakypete (#26)
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In 2010, all four of my immediate family got bitten/attacked by dogs.
The problem I see is that people are using dogs to fill some emotional void in their lives. But they aren't taking care of them and the dogs end up hurting, or simply annoying everybody nearby.
#28. To: Tooconservative (#25)
I don't think you really mean that.
#29. To: watchman (#26)
Next was my son, about 12 at the time. A tail-wagging yellow lab entered the area, came straight to my kid and bit his kneecap (to blood). Again, happened in a flash, no provocation.
#30. To: sneakypete (#28)
If you are not an animal,what are you,a rock?
#31. To: Tooconservative (#27)
So many dogs in the city sit in little kennels in the backyard or an empty house 95% of the time. I've seen some that are supposed to be hunting dogs and they only take them out of the backyard cage kennel a few times a year to go hunting with. And sometimes you see these dogs on a rope in a backyard or in a little kennel, no interaction with anything 99% of the time and it reminds you of a hobby that people have lost interest in. Yeah, they feed and water them and that's about it. They can't seem to get rid of them but they won't give them the time needed to give them a real life. Just like raising kids, you have to give them your time and interaction, not just feed them and hope for the best.
#32. To: Tooconservative (#30)
Yeah, I'm a human being.
#33. To: Tooconservative (#27)
And you know they get a little nuts about taking their calves.
#34. To: sneakypete (#29)
I have never heard of a yellow lab or any other lab making unprovoked attacks on anyone.
#35. To: watchman, sneakypete (#33)
That video was hysterical! And perfect timing, too. I have just now come in from halter training a six month old heifer calf. Her mother was in the pasture with us the whole time (I normally keep them separated).
But it wasn't the cow giving me that treatment...it was the calf! At around 200 pounds she was putting her head into me just about like that dude was getting from that mama cow. I'll be "stove up" for a week!
Yes, that was a freaky year for dog bites. No lasting trauma but we do shy away from dogs and dislike them in general.
#36. To: Tooconservative (#34)
Just because a dog is an animal doesn't mean it can't get annoyed, sometimes for a reason.
#37. To: sneakypete (#29)
Are you SURE it was unprovoked
#38. To: Tooconservative (#35)
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Kind of a shame for your kids to end up dog-shy because of it.
#39. To: sneakypete, watchman (#31)
Exactly,but the truth is these same people would tie their kids out in the yard and ignore them if they could get away with it because they care nothing about nobody or no one but themselves.
#40. To: Tooconservative (#35)
You're brave unless mama was a tame trusting cow.
#41. To: sneakypete (#38)
Not so true. It is the tiny little dogs that are the quickest to bite and it is BECAUSE they are so little.
It was really funny to watch her try to play with them once they got their eyes open and were moving around. A kitten would jump up and grab her by the kneecap,and she would fall over just like she was tackled,and then try to slap box with them. The problem was her paws were so big she would send them spinning.
#42. To: watchman (#40)
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Mama cow made some runs at me but stopped just short of contact. She was disturbed to see her calf lunging at the end of a rope.
My wife is even tougher! She has been hinting that she'd like to get a dog but I told her she'd have to wait until I'm dead.
#43. To: Tooconservative (#42)
Cows! [If you know what I mean, I don't need to say more. LOL]
#44. To: watchman (#43)
I appreciate that you understand cows (way more than I do!).
#45. To: watchman, sneakypete (#37)
Like I told TC, it was a freaky year for dog biting.
#46. To: Tooconservative (#39)
Now sneakypete will be cooking up a reply to say that if people aren't animals, how can you put a toddler on a leash...
#47. To: sneakypete (#46)
#48. To: Tooconservative (#41)
I think it is also rarer for a dog to adopt another's puppy or a cat another's kitten.
#49. To: Tooconservative (#45)
Sometimes animals can be triggered by smell or sound or they can be antsy because of violent weather patterns or other stuff.
#50. To: Tooconservative (#47)
When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.
#51. To: sneakypete (#49)
I don't think there is any question that pretty much every animal species that exists can tell bad weather is coming LONG before humans have an inkling.
#52. To: Tooconservative (#51)
I think they alert sooner to wildfires but we notice this mostly because humans have some of the lousiest noses on earth.
#53. To: sneakypete (#50)
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I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".
#54. To: Tooconservative (#53)
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I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal.
#55. To: sneakypete (#54)
If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species.
#56. To: Tooconservative (#55)
Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.
#57. To: sneakypete (#56)
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I am now officially in remission since last week,and am starting to feel a little better after losing 50 lbs of water weight. The chemo is starting to wear off to the point I can remember my name now most of the time.
It would really be nice if I could pick up a couple of fields to mow next spring for a little money to help make the payments. I had to spend a LOT of money to buy it,but I didn't see me as having any other options after not being able to find anybody else willing to cut the grass around me.
So far the only time I have used my new 4X4 tractor was to pull a engine and trans out of a 37 Dodge truck to sell to a guy in Texas that was restoring a 37 Dodge farm truck and needed a engine and trans. Got 350 + 150 for crating for the engine and trans,and ran into the side of my new truck and got a 500 dollar dent in the side of the bed.
I am HOPING to be feeling good enough to hook it up to the rough mower and start hitting the 8 foot high grass before the end of November. If I do get it stuck,I can probably pull it out using my big 2 wheel drive tractor and a lot of chains.
I have a 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 truck with a modified 390 Ford engine in it and big tires,so when a guy I knew happened to stop by,I got him to get in the big tractor (right at 10,000 lbs) to steer it and put it in reverse when I snatched it out of the hole. I then hooked a logging chain to the big tractor and the 37 Dodge and snatched it right out of that hole! I'm not going to say how fast I was going when the logging chain came tight,but it felt like the 37 came right up off the ground when it did. I did pull the big tractor out,though.
The new tractor only weighs about 3,000 lbs. I will probably start testing it by just driving it around out where I want to cut without the mower being hooked to it.
If worse comes to worse there is a guy up the road that has a big 4x4 tractor with 4 mud tires on the rear and 4 more up front that I can get to come and pull it out for me,but that's not the kind of thing I can make a habit out of asking for.
#58. To: Tooconservative (#47)
I am not an animal. I'm a human being.
#59. To: sneakypete (#56)
my new 4X4 tractor
#60. To: Tooconservative (#57)
call the commissioner and ask him to send a maintainer
The local gossip mills were already busy enough
#61. To: watchman (#60)
What is a commissioner and a maintainer?
#62. To: watchman (#60)
Somehow, it's all making sense now...lol
#63. To: Tooconservative (#61)
A county commissioner is an elected official who directly supervises road crews and conducts county business.
#64. To: watchman (#59)
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I need a progress report on the 34 Ford...stat
#65. To: watchman (#63)
I never realized they would come on to private property to assist...what with liability and all.
#66. To: sneakypete, watchman (#64)
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New tires,new wheels,gas tank,gas lines,brakes,brake lines,master cylinder,new water pumps,new hoses,belts,plug wires,plugs,points,condenser,distributor cap,battery ... Have all new chrome for it except the front bumper,and it is in a body shop now to get painted. Painting it back the original pale yellow and black.
The 37 Dodge sits on a 72 F-250 4X4 chassis and has a modified 390 Ford FE engine in it. Freaks people out when I cruise past them running 70.
Forgot how to post photos here. Sorry.
1937 Dodge PU
#67. To: sneakypete (#64)
The only 34 Ford I have left is the pu.
#68. To: Tooconservative (#66)
I keep asking myself where they still get whitewall tires to complete that classic look. Can't recall how long it's been since I've seen them in a tire shop. I suppose they're a specialty item and you have to find a place to order them. Probably pricey.
#69. To: watchman (#67)
I have loved those trucks since about 8th grade when an upperclassman began driving his to school. He had something like a 350 4 barrel in it with manual trans...all very simple, not much restoration.
Or with the racier paint jobs and trim and modified engines like this: 
#70. To: sneakypete (#68)
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The Dodge pu you show is a half-ton. The 3/4 ton and larger trucks use a different cab,fenders,hood,and grille.
#71. To: watchman (#67)
The only 34 Ford I have left is the pu.
#72. To: Tooconservative (#69)
Maybe I'm just not a hot rod guy. But that era was receding by the Sixties so I never knew those guys, not in my age group.
#73. To: Tooconservative (#70)
#74. To: sneakypete, watchman (#72)
The one top left is what you would normally see being driven around. Straight stock cab and bed with flat paint that didn't need to be washed and waxed all the time. Aftermarket headlights with turn signals in them,"modern" steel wheels and 15 inch tires.
#75. To: Tooconservative (#74)
#76. To: sneakypete (#73)
I have ridden a mile or two in the backs of those things,and riding in one is NOT for older people who are no longer flexible. They will flat beat you to death on a bumpy road.
The funny part is everybody seemed to think riding down that road alone was dangerous,and the opposite was true. Hell,I have hitchhiked from Pleiku to Kontum and ended up riding there on the back of a Honda 90 operated by a ARVN soldier. Easy peasy,with not a hint of trouble. Target too small to bother with.
#77. To: Tooconservative (#74)
The one top left is what you would normally see being driven around. Straight stock cab and bed with flat paint that didn't need to be washed and waxed all the time. Aftermarket headlights with turn signals in them,"modern" steel wheels and 15 inch tires.
#78. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#75)
Original ZZ Top 1933 Ford
#79. To: sneakypete (#77)
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They were practically the east coast version of the t-bucket. People would channel them and build them just like a t-bucket,with a bed shortened to be just big enough to hold the battery and gas tank. No fenders,or hood. Seemed like they were all over the place at one time.
#80. To: Tooconservative (#27)
BTW, have you ever read the stats on cow attacks? Yep, every year some people get killed. And it isn't just bulls or steers attacking either.
#81. To: watchman (#80)
My bull just left the property! Thankfully, it was in a trailer!
#82. To: Tooconservative (#81)
I was always amazed at how quickly bulls can decide to make life real interesting.
#83. To: Tooconservative (#81)
and you'll have a bull blocking a bridge you want to get the herd to cross because he just thinks it's a bad idea
#84. To: sneakypete (#82)
I was always amazed at how quickly bulls can decide to make life real interesting.
#85. To: watchman (#83)
If he was lying down and saw a cow moving toward water to get a drink he would haul himself up, run like mad, and push the cow off the water! Crazy, right. The same with hay at the hay feeder.
#86. To: All, watchman (#85)
I think it is in part an instinctive herding instinct.
#87. To: Tooconservative (#86)
Good thing this isn't a news site and Stone has to pay us to write this stuff. LOL
#88. To: A K A Stone (#87)
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