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Title: Owner of 3 Pit Bulls That Mauled 9-Year-Old Girl to Death Charged with Murder
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URL Source: https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/owner ... -to-death-charged-with-murder/
Published: Aug 22, 2019
Author: Matt Clibanoff
Post Date: 2019-08-27 01:48:49 by Tooconservative
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Views: 11151
Comments: 88
According to the victim’s family, Emma Hernandez, 9, was riding her bike on Monday when dogs attacked her in an alley around 4 p.m. Family members said that she often rode her bike in the area around Central Avenue and Smart Street and was probably trying to use a nearby alley to turn around. Among the various neighbors who came out to help Hernandez was Deborah Gordon, a woman who lives down the block. She reportedly tried to perform CPR and was shocked by what happened. “You’re talking about a 9-year-old girl who was just out there playing, and now she’s not here,” she told Fox 6 Now. To make matters worse, one of the people who ran towards the attack was Hernandez’s 12-year-old brother. While most of Hernandez’s immediate family wanted privacy, they did say that the dogs often roamed around the streets of their neighborhood; Hernandez’s father said he had an argument with the dog owner about it within the past week. During the attack, neighbors shot one of the pit bulls. Following the attack, the dogs were taken by Detroit Animal Care and Control. “Due to the severity of this case, it is very likely that the dogs will be euthanized,” officials said in a statement. Cleveland has reportedly been charged with having a dangerous animal, causing death, involuntary manslaughter, and second-degree murder. “It shouldn’t have happened,” said Claudia Stapleton, Hernandez’s aunt. “They should have been more careful with their dogs. This is her neighborhood. She should be able to be free and do what every kid does. Walk around, ride their bikes, they shouldn’t be afraid in their own neighborhood. It’s very devastating.” Cleveland is currently being held with a $2 million bail and is scheduled to appear in court on Aug. 30 for a probable cause conference. His preliminary examination is set for Sept. 6, ClickonDetroit reported. Poster Comment: I am always happy to see pitbull owners prosecuted. I have a friend who owns one, unhappy last year that the city fined him for letting it escape and run wild, forced him to build a pen. I told him that I like seeing pitbull owners prosecuted because they are an inherently dangerous and unstable breed. We aren't as close now for some reason. Hell, he just leaves it in the crappy pen they made him build, neglected and living a useless unhappy life. He doesn't even care about that dog.
Pierre Cleveland, 33, the owner of the three pit bulls that mauled a 9-year-old Detroit girl to death, has been charged with murder. 
“I knew the dogs were there. I knew the neighbor,” Armando Hernandez said. “We had an argument about it just last week and he just didn’t take care of his dogs properly. He could have prevented this.”
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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)
Oh Well …
If a pitbull is mauling your grandchild to death right in front of you, I recommend you just shoot it and not wait for the cops to shop up 30-40 minutes later. Strange how you tried to take this in the direction of police posts in general. You're trying to dragging the cops into a non-cop story. Hammer, nail. I did like how they had a mug shot of him first and then the second one showing him weeping in shame. Gee, maybe he should have locked up his dogs before they killed an innocent little girl. Hence, the second photo.
The second photo is, "Woe is me. They charged me with murder".
I enjoyed the remorse. I still want him convicted and in prison. I would vote to convict so fast... Hell, I'd probably start laughing at the defense attorney as soon as he started to present his case. I intensely dislike people who keep vicious dogs and don't supervise them closely. My friendship with a good friend was kind of ruined after his German shepherd - which he trained to be aggressive and had used it to attack a few guys that were menacing him - almost ripped half of his toddler niece's face off at a family BBQ. He told me that he thought she might have stepped on its tail or something (I didn't buy it). There was always something a little menacing about that dog and he knew it. She had extensive reconstructive surgery but still has visible scars from it as an adult. That was entirely preventable. You prevent it by shooting the dog before it hurts children. Then you get a nice friendly dog, like a golden Lab. Or a little dog that can't actually do that much harm to a person, even a child.
There was no remorse,only self-pity. The only thought in his head at that time was most likely "WHY did this happen to ME?" If the DA had refused to file charges,he would be home laughing about it because he got away with something.
You're probably closer to the mark than me. I got kind of sick of dogs running loose in the neighborhood a few years ago. I've gotten a hardened attitude toward dogs as a result. I just don't like them or want them near me any more. On balance, they aren't worth it. Of course, I do now a few people who have very winsome, very polite and affectionate dogs. No one could dislike those dogs. But they are very much the exception.
Having grown up with bird dogs and enjoying all the great hunting with my dad...I now feel the same way. In 2010, all four of my immediate family got bitten/attacked by dogs. I got tagged first by a German short hair, while chatting with the owner. The dog ripped my fore arm in a split second and was gone. Owner didn't seem to notice even though I was dripping blood like Josey Wales in that last scene. Shortly there after, my wife was jogging along our country road when she got her hand torn up by a mixed breed crap hound. We had to call animal control to get the owner to show proof rabies shots. Next was my son, about 12 at the time. A tail-wagging yellow lab entered the area, came straight to my kid and bit his kneecap (to blood). Again, happened in a flash, no provocation. Finally, my 10 year old daughter was rescued by a quick thinking neighbor who pulled her from the jaws of vicious dog that was new to our community (owned by welfare folks who moved into a mobile home up the road a piece). The neighbor and my daughter were absolutely terror stricken. Another neighbor of ours now has six dogs, maybe more. He's gone all the time, but keeps the dogs in those plastic kennels, stacked two high and three wide against a wall. I can hear those dogs barking inside his house from a quarter mile away. I'm waiting for one of those pent up critters to get loose and come after one of my calves... The problem I see is that people are using dogs to fill some emotional void in their lives. But they aren't taking care of them and the dogs end up hurting, or simply annoying everybody nearby.
Woh! That's kind of amazing. Who would expect something like that in four separate incidents in just a year, just statistically? But then, in a country of 350M people, stuff does happen. What's sad is that people don't feel they can trust dogs at all after things like that happen. Kids that get bit or even threatened by a dog just don't want to be around them after that. Some people even get a PTSD thing from a dog attack (or animal attack). BTW, have you ever read the stats on cow attacks? Yep, every year some people get killed. And it isn't just bulls or steers attacking either. Fact: Cattle kill more people every year than sharks do. Gizmodo: Cows Are Deadlier Than You Ever Knew And you know they get a little nuts about taking their calves. So many dogs in the city sit in little kennels in the backyard or an empty house 95% of the time. I've seen some that are supposed to be hunting dogs and they only take them out of the backyard cage kennel a few times a year to go hunting with. And sometimes you see these dogs on a rope in a backyard or in a little kennel, no interaction with anything 99% of the time and it reminds you of a hobby that people have lost interest in. Yeah, they feed and water them and that's about it. They can't seem to get rid of them but they won't give them the time needed to give them a real life. Just like raising kids, you have to give them your time and interaction, not just feed them and hope for the best.
Exactly,but the truth is these same people would tie their kids out in the yard and ignore them if they could get away with it because they care nothing about nobody or no one but themselves.
Maybe. You do see people tether toddlers when they're wandering around a mall. It's been some years since I've seen it but some people still do. More often, I now notice the toddlers up to 6yo riding the sides of the shopping carts at Walmart, like some little gang of possums handing off mama's belly. And the poor mom is pushing the cart along like it's the Bataan death march. Man, it takes a lot of patience to parent kids well and not just flip out completely now and then. Now sneakypete will be cooking up a reply to say that if people aren't animals, how can you put a toddler on a leash... I always recall how at about age 4 I was standing on a street corner with my 3 siblings and mom and we were crossing the street and I thought it was time to cross. I had had very little experience in crossing streets. I started to step out and my mom grabbed me out of the path of a big truck that missed me by only a few inches. So I get why these parents want that leash on their toddler. The little people just get some idea in their heads and do something impulsive.
Everything in the known universe is either animal,vegetable,or mineral. Pick one and I will take your word for it unless you are a Dim or a RINO,and don't pick "vegetable".
I am not an animal. I'm a human being. When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.
I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".
I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal. I think you refer to yourself and think of yourself as a man, an adult human being. I know the point you're arguing but that is an intellectual and philosophical construct. Deep down, regardless of what you say, you know you are a man, a human being. And you know that you are not an animal, a very limited class of beings.
I routinely refer to myself as a man. Lately as a old man. If asked to be more specific,I say I am a human. If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species. Not that any of this makes any difference at all. Things are what they are,regardless of how we wish they might be.
I'm not sure just how many times you've been waterboarded in an interrogation on this topic to the point where you finally confess you're an animal. : ) It's all good though. You win. I'm not that invested in the argument. And we shouldn't work so hard on Labor Day weekend. Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.
I THINK I am going to love it,but I got sick again right after I bought it,and all I have done with it is make payments. I am now officially in remission since last week,and am starting to feel a little better after losing 50 lbs of water weight. The chemo is starting to wear off to the point I can remember my name now most of the time. I am really hoping to use the new tractor to mow the fields around my house for a fire break before spring starts to pop and buttholes start setting fires. I bought a 48 inch cut rough mower to pull behind it,and with the 4 wheel drive it should do well. It would really be nice if I could pick up a couple of fields to mow next spring for a little money to help make the payments. I had to spend a LOT of money to buy it,but I didn't see me as having any other options after not being able to find anybody else willing to cut the grass around me. I used to cut that crap with a swing blade when I was in my 30's. By the time I was in my 50's I was having to cut it with a small 50's tractor and a bushhog. Then something happened and it started being flooded more often than not,and the small 2wd tractor was getting stuck,so I had to go with a riding mower and a string weed whacker. Yeah,the riding mower would get stuck too,but was MUCH easier to get out than an actual tractor. I could just pick up the rear of it and move it out of the hole it had dug,and then it would be easy to either drive away or hook a chain to it and pull it further out of the hole. So far the only time I have used my new 4X4 tractor was to pull a engine and trans out of a 37 Dodge truck to sell to a guy in Texas that was restoring a 37 Dodge farm truck and needed a engine and trans. Got 350 + 150 for crating for the engine and trans,and ran into the side of my new truck and got a 500 dollar dent in the side of the bed. My old tractor had shuttle shift,and I let the salesmen talk me into buying a constant drive system (forget what they call it now,but it has a forward pedal in the floor,and a reverse pedal right beside it). I was going in from the side to load the engine and trans,and the tractor started rolling forward when it got close to the truck,so I stomped on the "brake pedal" to stop it,but it was no longer the brake pedal. In the new tractor it was the "forward pedal". Still a little steamed about that one. Still,I have enjoyed parking it near where I was working on something in the yard this summer,and being able to jump into the cab and turn the AC on to cool down without having to go to the house,and the bucket was always handy for carrying tools and other stuff around. I am HOPING to be feeling good enough to hook it up to the rough mower and start hitting the 8 foot high grass before the end of November. If I do get it stuck,I can probably pull it out using my big 2 wheel drive tractor and a lot of chains. Tried using the big tractor with the bush hog a few years ago,and got about 30 feet out of the yard and it bottomed out. Both wheels were spinning clear and not touching anything. I have a 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 truck with a modified 390 Ford engine in it and big tires,so when a guy I knew happened to stop by,I got him to get in the big tractor (right at 10,000 lbs) to steer it and put it in reverse when I snatched it out of the hole. I then hooked a logging chain to the big tractor and the 37 Dodge and snatched it right out of that hole! I'm not going to say how fast I was going when the logging chain came tight,but it felt like the 37 came right up off the ground when it did. I did pull the big tractor out,though. I sure don't want to do that again,though. The new tractor only weighs about 3,000 lbs. I will probably start testing it by just driving it around out where I want to cut without the mower being hooked to it. Easier to hook chains to it to pull it out if I don't have to unhook the mower and then have to try to pull it out. If worse comes to worse there is a guy up the road that has a big 4x4 tractor with 4 mud tires on the rear and 4 more up front that I can get to come and pull it out for me,but that's not the kind of thing I can make a habit out of asking for.
Enough tractor talk! I need a progress report on the 34 Ford...stat Focus, man! Focus! Pete, glad you are in remission.
The only 34 Ford I have left is the pu. I sold the coupe to a guy in ND that restored it for his museum. I do have a 33 Plymouth coupe and a 33 Dodge 4dr sedan,though. I have made zero progress on any of my cars since I started getting sick,with the exception of the 51 Ford Victoria I bought to drive around and enjoy for a while,and then sell so I could get the money to work on my "keepers". Selling my 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 for the same reason. The 51 Vicky was a stock original car that had been sitting for decades,and even though it ran,the auto trans (1st year for Ford) wouldn't move the car,the gas tank had a rust hole in it big enough to stick my fist through,there was no master cylinder on the car or anywhere around it,brake lines rusted out,brake hoses cracked and rotten,tires split,upholstery torn and the springs showing where the driver sits,etc,etc,etc. It is now a running and driving car with what I THINK is around 76k original miles on it,and I wouldn't be afraid to drive it cross-country at 60-65 mph. Even had the seats reupholstered because I got tired of sitting in a hole and having a spring poke me in the ass while driving down the road. New tires,new wheels,gas tank,gas lines,brakes,brake lines,master cylinder,new water pumps,new hoses,belts,plug wires,plugs,points,condenser,distributor cap,battery Have all new chrome for it except the front bumper,and it is in a body shop now to get painted. Painting it back the original pale yellow and black. The only non-original part in the car is the new aluminum radiator. The original brass and copper radiator blew apart once I started driving the car. Since I am neither restoring or going to keep the car I decided to buy a new aluminum radiator for 198 bucks,versus the 850 bucks for a new brass and copper one. If the next owner wants a brass and copper radiator,they can always buy it themselves. The 37 Dodge sits on a 72 F-250 4X4 chassis and has a modified 390 Ford FE engine in it. Freaks people out when I cruise past them running 70. Forgot how to post photos here. Sorry.
I keep asking myself where they still get whitewall tires to complete that classic look. Can't recall how long it's been since I've seen them in a tire shop. I suppose they're a specialty item and you have to find a place to order them. Probably pricey. C'mon, that used to be a 37 Dodge. Now it's a Frankentruck. Use: < img src="https://someserver.com/some-girly-photo.jpg"> (but omit the space right after the < character) Here's a pretty one, restored.
Coker Tire in Tn is one of them,and yes,they are pricey. They are also assholes,which is no surprise when you consider Coker was a leftist Dim congresscritter up until recently. You can even get radial wide whitewalls if you want,and can afford them., There are also other places,but I don't remember their names now because I have no interest in that stuff. The tires I put on the 51 were 215 x 15 radials with narrow whitewalls. I used new rims because radials don't "play well" with early steel wheels designed for bias ply tires. The flex can cause old rivets to pop and rims to crack. The Dodge pu you show is a half-ton. The 3/4 ton and larger trucks use a different cab,fenders,hood,and grille.
#70. To: sneakypete (#68)
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Ah, I thought it looked too lightweight. Wikipedia and DDG are weak on Dodge truck pictures from the Thirties. A while back, I was rather amazed to see the ongoing market for 6x6 military trucks on eBay. Pretty amazing stuff if you want a brute of a truck for $5K-$7K. Uses gas/diesel/kerosene/motor oil as fuel, air brakes, air compressor for air tools, 2.5 ton cargo capacity, snorkel, winch, etc. And really built to last. They aren't fast but they make perfect swamp trucks, ready for anything. And they would survive a major EMP blast too. Even Scotty Kilmer approves of it and it isn't even a 1994 Toyota. I really liked this old boy. Knew his stuff, easy to watch, good presenter.
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Sigh … During the attack, neighbors shot one of the pit bulls.
If only some lowly public servant police officer had been there to shoot all of these dogs and prevent this tragic death … There were 36 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2018. Pit bulls contributed to 72% (26) of these deaths.”
Poster [Tooconservative] Comment: I am always happy to see pitbull owners prosecuted.
I hsve absolutely no problem when police officers shoot them – While some folks do …
#2. To: Gatlin (#1)
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I hsve absolutely no problem when police officers shoot them – While some folks do …
#4. To: Tooconservative (#2)
Gee, maybe he should have locked up his dogs before they killed an innocent little girl. Hence, the second photo.
#6. To: misterwhite (#4)
The second photo is, "Woe is me. They charged me with murder".
#9. To: Tooconservative (#6)
I enjoyed the remorse.
#11. To: sneakypete (#9)
There was no remorse,only self-pity. The only thought in his head at that time was most likely "WHY did this happen to ME?"
#26. To: Tooconservative (#11)
I just don't like them or want them near me any more. On balance, they aren't worth it.
#27. To: watchman, sneakypete (#26)
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In 2010, all four of my immediate family got bitten/attacked by dogs.
The problem I see is that people are using dogs to fill some emotional void in their lives. But they aren't taking care of them and the dogs end up hurting, or simply annoying everybody nearby.
#31. To: Tooconservative (#27)
So many dogs in the city sit in little kennels in the backyard or an empty house 95% of the time. I've seen some that are supposed to be hunting dogs and they only take them out of the backyard cage kennel a few times a year to go hunting with. And sometimes you see these dogs on a rope in a backyard or in a little kennel, no interaction with anything 99% of the time and it reminds you of a hobby that people have lost interest in. Yeah, they feed and water them and that's about it. They can't seem to get rid of them but they won't give them the time needed to give them a real life. Just like raising kids, you have to give them your time and interaction, not just feed them and hope for the best.
#39. To: sneakypete, watchman (#31)
Exactly,but the truth is these same people would tie their kids out in the yard and ignore them if they could get away with it because they care nothing about nobody or no one but themselves.
#46. To: Tooconservative (#39)
Now sneakypete will be cooking up a reply to say that if people aren't animals, how can you put a toddler on a leash...
#47. To: sneakypete (#46)
#50. To: Tooconservative (#47)
When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.
#53. To: sneakypete (#50)
(Edited)
I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".
#54. To: Tooconservative (#53)
(Edited)
I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal.
#55. To: sneakypete (#54)
If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species.
#56. To: Tooconservative (#55)
Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.
#59. To: sneakypete (#56)
my new 4X4 tractor
#64. To: watchman (#59)
(Edited)
I need a progress report on the 34 Ford...stat
#66. To: sneakypete, watchman (#64)
(Edited)
New tires,new wheels,gas tank,gas lines,brakes,brake lines,master cylinder,new water pumps,new hoses,belts,plug wires,plugs,points,condenser,distributor cap,battery ... Have all new chrome for it except the front bumper,and it is in a body shop now to get painted. Painting it back the original pale yellow and black.
The 37 Dodge sits on a 72 F-250 4X4 chassis and has a modified 390 Ford FE engine in it. Freaks people out when I cruise past them running 70.
Forgot how to post photos here. Sorry.
1937 Dodge PU
#68. To: Tooconservative (#66)
I keep asking myself where they still get whitewall tires to complete that classic look. Can't recall how long it's been since I've seen them in a tire shop. I suppose they're a specialty item and you have to find a place to order them. Probably pricey.
Replies to Comment # 68. The Dodge pu you show is a half-ton. The 3/4 ton and larger trucks use a different cab,fenders,hood,and grille.
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