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Title: Owner of 3 Pit Bulls That Mauled 9-Year-Old Girl to Death Charged with Murder
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URL Source: https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/owner ... -to-death-charged-with-murder/
Published: Aug 22, 2019
Author: Matt Clibanoff
Post Date: 2019-08-27 01:48:49 by Tooconservative
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Comments: 88
According to the victim’s family, Emma Hernandez, 9, was riding her bike on Monday when dogs attacked her in an alley around 4 p.m. Family members said that she often rode her bike in the area around Central Avenue and Smart Street and was probably trying to use a nearby alley to turn around. Among the various neighbors who came out to help Hernandez was Deborah Gordon, a woman who lives down the block. She reportedly tried to perform CPR and was shocked by what happened. “You’re talking about a 9-year-old girl who was just out there playing, and now she’s not here,” she told Fox 6 Now. To make matters worse, one of the people who ran towards the attack was Hernandez’s 12-year-old brother. While most of Hernandez’s immediate family wanted privacy, they did say that the dogs often roamed around the streets of their neighborhood; Hernandez’s father said he had an argument with the dog owner about it within the past week. During the attack, neighbors shot one of the pit bulls. Following the attack, the dogs were taken by Detroit Animal Care and Control. “Due to the severity of this case, it is very likely that the dogs will be euthanized,” officials said in a statement. Cleveland has reportedly been charged with having a dangerous animal, causing death, involuntary manslaughter, and second-degree murder. “It shouldn’t have happened,” said Claudia Stapleton, Hernandez’s aunt. “They should have been more careful with their dogs. This is her neighborhood. She should be able to be free and do what every kid does. Walk around, ride their bikes, they shouldn’t be afraid in their own neighborhood. It’s very devastating.” Cleveland is currently being held with a $2 million bail and is scheduled to appear in court on Aug. 30 for a probable cause conference. His preliminary examination is set for Sept. 6, ClickonDetroit reported. Poster Comment: I am always happy to see pitbull owners prosecuted. I have a friend who owns one, unhappy last year that the city fined him for letting it escape and run wild, forced him to build a pen. I told him that I like seeing pitbull owners prosecuted because they are an inherently dangerous and unstable breed. We aren't as close now for some reason. Hell, he just leaves it in the crappy pen they made him build, neglected and living a useless unhappy life. He doesn't even care about that dog.
Pierre Cleveland, 33, the owner of the three pit bulls that mauled a 9-year-old Detroit girl to death, has been charged with murder. 
“I knew the dogs were there. I knew the neighbor,” Armando Hernandez said. “We had an argument about it just last week and he just didn’t take care of his dogs properly. He could have prevented this.”
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#23. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#22)
Animals aren't people. And they can be as good or bad as people, with or without cause, just like people can be. I don't think they merit being considered equal to people but I know that they are not better than people. People give excess loyalty to dogs because dogs are so loyal to them because they see them as the alpha male of the dog pack, the dominant male that their lives revolve around. It is more appealing emotionally than most people realize. But dogs are, essentially, psychopaths. They can't have a conscience because they can't possess a real sense of what we call right and wrong; they have no actual remorse or shame but they are good at faking it, just as they are programmed by instinct to go belly-up to show submission to an alpha male or alpha female in a dog pack. They inherit this behavior from their wolf ancestors. They are good at pretending remorse if their alpha male is angry at them. Again, we read into their display a genuine human-like remorse. It is we who project these human characteristics onto them, qualities they cannot possibly possess. Dogs are the finest companion animals because they are so well-suited to humans in so many ways. But they are still just animals and can never be more.
MOST people are nothing but animals. True,Dim voters and Antifa people are vegetables,but vegetable that started as human animals.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I don't think you really mean that.
Having grown up with bird dogs and enjoying all the great hunting with my dad...I now feel the same way. In 2010, all four of my immediate family got bitten/attacked by dogs. I got tagged first by a German short hair, while chatting with the owner. The dog ripped my fore arm in a split second and was gone. Owner didn't seem to notice even though I was dripping blood like Josey Wales in that last scene. Shortly there after, my wife was jogging along our country road when she got her hand torn up by a mixed breed crap hound. We had to call animal control to get the owner to show proof rabies shots. Next was my son, about 12 at the time. A tail-wagging yellow lab entered the area, came straight to my kid and bit his kneecap (to blood). Again, happened in a flash, no provocation. Finally, my 10 year old daughter was rescued by a quick thinking neighbor who pulled her from the jaws of vicious dog that was new to our community (owned by welfare folks who moved into a mobile home up the road a piece). The neighbor and my daughter were absolutely terror stricken. Another neighbor of ours now has six dogs, maybe more. He's gone all the time, but keeps the dogs in those plastic kennels, stacked two high and three wide against a wall. I can hear those dogs barking inside his house from a quarter mile away. I'm waiting for one of those pent up critters to get loose and come after one of my calves... The problem I see is that people are using dogs to fill some emotional void in their lives. But they aren't taking care of them and the dogs end up hurting, or simply annoying everybody nearby.
Woh! That's kind of amazing. Who would expect something like that in four separate incidents in just a year, just statistically? But then, in a country of 350M people, stuff does happen. What's sad is that people don't feel they can trust dogs at all after things like that happen. Kids that get bit or even threatened by a dog just don't want to be around them after that. Some people even get a PTSD thing from a dog attack (or animal attack). BTW, have you ever read the stats on cow attacks? Yep, every year some people get killed. And it isn't just bulls or steers attacking either. Fact: Cattle kill more people every year than sharks do. Gizmodo: Cows Are Deadlier Than You Ever Knew And you know they get a little nuts about taking their calves. So many dogs in the city sit in little kennels in the backyard or an empty house 95% of the time. I've seen some that are supposed to be hunting dogs and they only take them out of the backyard cage kennel a few times a year to go hunting with. And sometimes you see these dogs on a rope in a backyard or in a little kennel, no interaction with anything 99% of the time and it reminds you of a hobby that people have lost interest in. Yeah, they feed and water them and that's about it. They can't seem to get rid of them but they won't give them the time needed to give them a real life. Just like raising kids, you have to give them your time and interaction, not just feed them and hope for the best.
Of course I mean that. If I didn't,I would be an idiot. If you are not an animal,what are you,a rock?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Are you SURE it was unprovoked,or are you just taking your son's word for it? I have never heard of a yellow lab or any other lab making unprovoked attacks on anyone. People DO have a natural tendency to selectively see or not see things connected to their kids. I once watched the only son of a cousin reach over and pinch the nuts of his sleeping pet dachshund,and when the dog yipped and snapped at him,he started crying and then smiled while his idiot father started to beat the hell out of the dog. I stopped him and told him it was his son's fault for pinching the dogs nuts while he was sleeping,and he didn't believe me. Even then IF he had looked at his sons eyes he could have seen the glee in them,but he just wouldn't look because he KNEW in his heart his son was perfect in every way. SOB grew up to be a sneak thief,a coward,and a bully.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Yeah, I'm a human being. And I am not an animal by definition. I'm not going to get into some semantic wordplay argument over whether "animals are people too". Or the obverse, "people are animals too". Humans are humans and animals are animals. By law and custom. That is the basic reality of it and has been for thousands of years since we domesticated the first species for our benefit.
Exactly,but the truth is these same people would tie their kids out in the yard and ignore them if they could get away with it because they care nothing about nobody or no one but themselves.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Which makes you,by definition,an animal. Humans are humans and animals are animals. By law and custom. That is the basic reality of it and has been for thousands of years since we domesticated the first species for our benefit. People used to believe all sorts of stupid shit,and it seems many still do.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
That video was hysterical! And perfect timing, too. I have just now come in from halter training a six month old heifer calf. Her mother was in the pasture with us the whole time (I normally keep them separated). But it wasn't the cow giving me that treatment...it was the calf! At around 200 pounds she was putting her head into me just about like that dude was getting from that mama cow. I'll be "stove up" for a week! What are those cows? Look like Angus/Jersey/Holstein cross. I have a buddy who has a pair of black Jerseys. Don't ask me how they got to be that color...but they make a ton of milk. Yes, that was a freaky year for dog bites. No lasting trauma but we do shy away from dogs and dislike them in general.
The yellow lab is one the most gregarious and friendly dogs, I think. But out of hundreds of millions of them, well, sooner or later you might find one that snaps at a kid for something rather petty. Maybe the kid keeps stepping on its paws when walking by, or steps on its tail a few too many times, or pokes it in the eye or face or pokes around inside its ears or something. I think sometimes a dog does just put up with minor irritants for a while but they do finally get fed up with being treated like a piece of furniture or like a plush toy by some smelly toddler. Just because a dog is an animal doesn't mean it can't get annoyed, sometimes for a reason. I think there are dogs who just don't like kids because they have had a bad experience with them. These are the dogs that don't want to play with kids or who get up and walk off to a distance if kids are nearby. They make it clear they don't like interacting with kids by their behavior. Yet they are friendly enough with adults who the dog expects to have more polite behavior.
You're brave unless mama was a tame trusting cow. Just keep your legs together. You've seen how calves can butt mama to get her to let the last of her milk in her udder down into her teats. Those calves know how to butt. LOL Kind of a shame for your kids to end up dog-shy because of it. A lot of kids get bit or just real scared and they're nervous around dogs the rest of their lives, even tiny little harmless dogs that could barely nibble your ankles.
The exact opposite is true. Animals have feelings and egos,and everybody and everything with a pulse has a limit to how much crap they will put up with without drawing a line. I am sure Mother Theresa would try to scratch your eyes out if you pushed her too far. One of the most profound questions I have ever heard asked is "WHY is common sense so uncommon?"
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Yeah, Pete, it was totally unprovoked. We were all in a horse barn, standing together, visiting the woman who owns the barn when a man and his kids came in followed by the lab. The dog went straight to my kid and latched onto his knee. Shocked everybody! We were all watching the dog, of course, and it seemed so surreal. I don't even think the dog knew why it decided to bite...it wasn't even angry or alarmed...it just bit! Like I told TC, it was a freaky year for dog biting. I know what you're saying, though, about kids being mean to animals. And I also know that humans can act like animals, even worse, much worse.
True,they are really missing out. A lot of kids get bit or just real scared and they're nervous around dogs the rest of their lives, even tiny little harmless dogs that could barely nibble your ankles. Not so true. It is the tiny little dogs that are the quickest to bite and it is BECAUSE they are so little. Even a small child can break their bones or even kill them by accident and the dogs know this. It's one of the things that makes so many tiny dogs so unstable. They ARE dogs,and they instinctively KNOW they are supposed to love humans,yet they also instinctively know they can be crippled or killed by accident by even the smallest human. It's also one reason very small dogs make the best guard dogs for your house. They get excited/scared over anything unusual,and will start yipping and raising alarms while all a big dog will do is walk to the door or window and cock his head in curiosity,and MAYBE quietly snarl a little. My dobie used to do this after looking at me to see if I knew there was someone at the door,and decided I wasn't paying enough attention. If I was looking at the door,she would just sit in front of it and wait to see what happened. Coming in without me opening the door and telling her it was ok was NOT a good idea. BTW,one of the oddest and funny things I have ever seen was that full-grown big dobie trying to babysit the cats kittens while the cat was outside. Her teeth were too big to pick them up by the nape of their necks to bring them into the living room where I was,so she would put the whole kitten in her mouth with the head sticking out,and then trot into the living room and gently drop them into the floor one by one and then go back and get another. Once she had them all,she would lay on her side and use her paws to draw them towards her nipples so they could feed. Never mind she had no milk or that they were probably too big for the kittens mouths,she was trying. It was really funny to watch her try to play with them once they got their eyes open and were moving around. A kitten would jump up and grab her by the kneecap,and she would fall over just like she was tackled,and then try to slap box with them. The problem was her paws were so big she would send them spinning. I didn't even worry about locking the apartment when I left while the kittens were still there. If you came in,you would still be there when I got home. She was VERY protective of those kittens,
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Maybe. You do see people tether toddlers when they're wandering around a mall. It's been some years since I've seen it but some people still do. More often, I now notice the toddlers up to 6yo riding the sides of the shopping carts at Walmart, like some little gang of possums handing off mama's belly. And the poor mom is pushing the cart along like it's the Bataan death march. Man, it takes a lot of patience to parent kids well and not just flip out completely now and then. Now sneakypete will be cooking up a reply to say that if people aren't animals, how can you put a toddler on a leash... I always recall how at about age 4 I was standing on a street corner with my 3 siblings and mom and we were crossing the street and I thought it was time to cross. I had had very little experience in crossing streets. I started to step out and my mom grabbed me out of the path of a big truck that missed me by only a few inches. So I get why these parents want that leash on their toddler. The little people just get some idea in their heads and do something impulsive.
Kind of a shame for your kids to end up dog-shy because of it. Mama cow made some runs at me but stopped just short of contact. She was disturbed to see her calf lunging at the end of a rope. We got it all straightened out, the calf settled down eventually. I turned them loose together and let them run the length of the field several times. It was a sight to see! My kids are tough. My wife is even tougher! She has been hinting that she'd like to get a dog but I told her she'd have to wait until I'm dead. She's considering it...
I meant that his kids might be dog-shy even as adults. I don't see little dogs biting adults ever. But they do bite kids for the reasons you state. It is because dogs have become so adapted to us. A dog can adopt and be very emotionally attached to children or to kittens or a number of human-friendly species. An old mama dog can feel very protective toward calves in the family's herd, just like she is toward the kids in the family or to a cat in the family. Cats can also adopt somewhat but just aren't capable of doing as much for, say, a puppy. I think it is also rarer for a dog to adopt another's puppy or a cat another's kitten. The smell and other stuff makes it less likely. So I would be less surprised that your mama dog would adopt those kittens than I would be if she adopted another dog's pups. Cats and dogs are able to adopt because they are so domesticated and so much more socialized toward pack behavior that centers around humans, especially dogs who have been in human company for a few thousand years longer than cats have.
Well, yada-yada-yada, been there, done that, probably ain't worth more words. I think you know what I mean. Cows! You have arguments to make. The smell of a canine can trip the trigger of cows because they are instinctive about considering a dog to be the same as a coyote or a wolf. Cows do get more hostile around canine species, just the smell alone can make cows more stressed out and antsy. Your cows will be, at least at first, more dangerous because dogs are around than if the cattle were just dealing with you, their alpha male, the human they know, the one they tolerate or even like. Or both at various times. The smell of dogs can make cattle more likely to charge you or to engage in kicking behaviors or to do the heads-together-in-a-circle herd defensive move. Cattle evolved that technique to protect themselves and their calves from wolf pack attacks so they can kick outward at the wolves trying to approach. It's actually a bit like how they used pikemen in medieval battles. An interesting behavior for an animal species to develop. Yet, it seems instinctive, not a learned herd behavior being passed down as part of cow culture in the herd from generation to generation. Instinct vs. learned behaviors is always an facet of animal husbandry that is fascinating. Cows! [If you know what I mean, I don't need to say more. LOL] If your wife insists on a dog, start out easy, like with a pup and let the cows get used to the dog's smell so they know that is your dog and that he belongs there and isn't a threat like a wild dog or wolf.
I appreciate that you understand cows (way more than I do!). Not many can say that anymore. Back in the Depression lot's of folks had cows, dairy and otherwise. People don't have that today. Imagine if we had another Great Depression scenario...
You just need more time in the salt mines of the cattle industry. When your knowledge of cows extends over decades instead of years, nothing surprises you any more. Look at some of the old cattlemen and dairymen that you know. They could tell you a lot of cow stories. But sooner or later, just saying "Cows!" or "Damned cows!" is shorthand. I like those old guys. They've seen it all over the course of a lifetime. Nothing surprises them.
Sometimes animals can be triggered by smell or sound or they can be antsy because of violent weather patterns or other stuff. I always tell myself that there was a reason if only I knew enough about how the animal perceived what was happening to it. A socialized dog doesn't just run up and bite for no reason. In the dog's head, at that moment, it all made perfect sense to him to bite.
Everything in the known universe is either animal,vegetable,or mineral. Pick one and I will take your word for it unless you are a Dim or a RINO,and don't pick "vegetable".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I am not an animal. I'm a human being. When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.
Female cats are VERY social,and commonly feed each others kittens in the wild. Mama cats have to hunt and eat too,so they are always babysitting for each other. It's tomcats that cause the trouble. They sometimes want to kill the kittens so the mothers go into heat again. One reason mama cats hang together in the wild. There ain't no creature I can think of that works harder or needs more patience than a female cat with a litter of kittens.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I don't think there is any question that pretty much every animal species that exists can tell bad weather is coming LONG before humans have an inkling. In fact,it is a wise human in the wild that pays attention to the way the wildlife is acting. When you see them all running for cover,it's probably a good idea for you to follow them.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I didn't mention earthquakes but those too. I think they alert sooner to wildfires but we notice this mostly because humans have some of the lousiest noses on earth. I think the animals catch the faint hints of smoke on the wind far sooner than we do.
I agree,but there just ain't no explaining the earthquake sensing thing. There is also no denying it as VERY real. Like I wrote earlier,when you see the wildlife starting to panic,YOU need to start panicking,too.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal. I think you refer to yourself and think of yourself as a man, an adult human being. I know the point you're arguing but that is an intellectual and philosophical construct. Deep down, regardless of what you say, you know you are a man, a human being. And you know that you are not an animal, a very limited class of beings.
I routinely refer to myself as a man. Lately as a old man. If asked to be more specific,I say I am a human. If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species. Not that any of this makes any difference at all. Things are what they are,regardless of how we wish they might be.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'm not sure just how many times you've been waterboarded in an interrogation on this topic to the point where you finally confess you're an animal. : ) It's all good though. You win. I'm not that invested in the argument. And we shouldn't work so hard on Labor Day weekend. Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.
I THINK I am going to love it,but I got sick again right after I bought it,and all I have done with it is make payments. I am now officially in remission since last week,and am starting to feel a little better after losing 50 lbs of water weight. The chemo is starting to wear off to the point I can remember my name now most of the time. I am really hoping to use the new tractor to mow the fields around my house for a fire break before spring starts to pop and buttholes start setting fires. I bought a 48 inch cut rough mower to pull behind it,and with the 4 wheel drive it should do well. It would really be nice if I could pick up a couple of fields to mow next spring for a little money to help make the payments. I had to spend a LOT of money to buy it,but I didn't see me as having any other options after not being able to find anybody else willing to cut the grass around me. I used to cut that crap with a swing blade when I was in my 30's. By the time I was in my 50's I was having to cut it with a small 50's tractor and a bushhog. Then something happened and it started being flooded more often than not,and the small 2wd tractor was getting stuck,so I had to go with a riding mower and a string weed whacker. Yeah,the riding mower would get stuck too,but was MUCH easier to get out than an actual tractor. I could just pick up the rear of it and move it out of the hole it had dug,and then it would be easy to either drive away or hook a chain to it and pull it further out of the hole. So far the only time I have used my new 4X4 tractor was to pull a engine and trans out of a 37 Dodge truck to sell to a guy in Texas that was restoring a 37 Dodge farm truck and needed a engine and trans. Got 350 + 150 for crating for the engine and trans,and ran into the side of my new truck and got a 500 dollar dent in the side of the bed. My old tractor had shuttle shift,and I let the salesmen talk me into buying a constant drive system (forget what they call it now,but it has a forward pedal in the floor,and a reverse pedal right beside it). I was going in from the side to load the engine and trans,and the tractor started rolling forward when it got close to the truck,so I stomped on the "brake pedal" to stop it,but it was no longer the brake pedal. In the new tractor it was the "forward pedal". Still a little steamed about that one. Still,I have enjoyed parking it near where I was working on something in the yard this summer,and being able to jump into the cab and turn the AC on to cool down without having to go to the house,and the bucket was always handy for carrying tools and other stuff around. I am HOPING to be feeling good enough to hook it up to the rough mower and start hitting the 8 foot high grass before the end of November. If I do get it stuck,I can probably pull it out using my big 2 wheel drive tractor and a lot of chains. Tried using the big tractor with the bush hog a few years ago,and got about 30 feet out of the yard and it bottomed out. Both wheels were spinning clear and not touching anything. I have a 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 truck with a modified 390 Ford engine in it and big tires,so when a guy I knew happened to stop by,I got him to get in the big tractor (right at 10,000 lbs) to steer it and put it in reverse when I snatched it out of the hole. I then hooked a logging chain to the big tractor and the 37 Dodge and snatched it right out of that hole! I'm not going to say how fast I was going when the logging chain came tight,but it felt like the 37 came right up off the ground when it did. I did pull the big tractor out,though. I sure don't want to do that again,though. The new tractor only weighs about 3,000 lbs. I will probably start testing it by just driving it around out where I want to cut without the mower being hooked to it. Easier to hook chains to it to pull it out if I don't have to unhook the mower and then have to try to pull it out. If worse comes to worse there is a guy up the road that has a big 4x4 tractor with 4 mud tires on the rear and 4 more up front that I can get to come and pull it out for me,but that's not the kind of thing I can make a habit out of asking for.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I'm sad to hear about the chemo. I know what a challenge that can be. Rural areas are getting more depopulated. And you can't find teens willing to work, not even odd jobs or seasonal stuff. You win some, you lose some. It sucks but it's not too bad an explanation. I know how that goes. I've used a bigger tractor to pull out the mowing tractor in swampy ground myself years back. It's always a mess. Sometimes, it's amazing the crap we can wade into, all innocent like. I know I have. Then you realize you've gotten into a pretty pickle. Really annoying. You need to get your rig out of the swamp so you can finish mowing/swathing the damned field so it cures along with the rest of your hay. My blood pressure goes up a little just thinking about some of my own Adventures In Swampy Mowing. Smart. If you get stuck, you don't want to wreck the mower while pulling out your mowing rig. Where I lived, the last resort was to call the commissioner and ask him to send a maintainer to pull you out. I never had to do it myself but was glad I didn't. The local gossip mills were already busy enough without some fresh tidbit like that to chew on.
Enough tractor talk! I need a progress report on the 34 Ford...stat Focus, man! Focus! Pete, glad you are in remission.
The local gossip mills were already busy enough What is a commissioner and a maintainer? Somehow, it's all making sense now...lol
A county commissioner is an elected official who directly supervises road crews and conducts county business. So you might typically have a county that will have 3 county commissioners, each in charge of rural road maintainence in their district in the county. They also approve the budgets of every tax entity in the county and they are the elected board who determines the size of the courthouse staff, necessary county improvements, signing county contracts, etc. They are, in theory, superior to the other elected county officials like county clerks or treasurers, or technically superior to school board(s) within the county. So in most counties like this, you can do any county business at all if you can get two out of the three commissioners to agree by vote. They're like a board of supervisors in the counties of many states. Perhaps you use that name for them; I think I hear it more often in most states. What do you call your top county officials in your state? A maintainer is a road grader, used with a blade for dirt road maintainance or with a snowplow to clear snow drifts. If you get a tractor stuck in a swamp or a loaded semi stuck in a damp corn field, being on good terms so you can call your commissioner to send a maintainer is always good. I used to wonder what you do if you get a road grader stuck but I've realized that I've never heard of anyone managing to get one stuck. Nowadays, with 4wd tractors or tracked tractors or combines with dualies so much more common, you do have other options to get your neighbors to help.
You must live in a semi-rural place. I think it isn't hard to identify the local gossip mills. Start with the bar, add the churches (who don't gossip but do "share their concerns"), then the co-op, then a few other spots like the post office and the school bus barn. Usually courthouse and bank staff are more discreet, so are most businesses who know people will take their business out of town rather than have it bandied about by idle gossips. And in a lot of rural towns, if they don't know some gossip about you, they're content to just make up crap out of thin air and spread that around. If you have a rural address, you live in Hooterville.
being on good terms so you can call your commissioner to send a maintainer Okay. That's basically what we have. I never realized they would come on to private property to assist...what with liability and all.
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#24. To: Tooconservative (#23)
But they are still just animals and can never be more.
#25. To: sneakypete (#24)
MOST people are nothing but animals.
#26. To: Tooconservative (#11)
I just don't like them or want them near me any more. On balance, they aren't worth it.
#27. To: watchman, sneakypete (#26)
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In 2010, all four of my immediate family got bitten/attacked by dogs.
The problem I see is that people are using dogs to fill some emotional void in their lives. But they aren't taking care of them and the dogs end up hurting, or simply annoying everybody nearby.
#28. To: Tooconservative (#25)
I don't think you really mean that.
#29. To: watchman (#26)
Next was my son, about 12 at the time. A tail-wagging yellow lab entered the area, came straight to my kid and bit his kneecap (to blood). Again, happened in a flash, no provocation.
#30. To: sneakypete (#28)
If you are not an animal,what are you,a rock?
#31. To: Tooconservative (#27)
So many dogs in the city sit in little kennels in the backyard or an empty house 95% of the time. I've seen some that are supposed to be hunting dogs and they only take them out of the backyard cage kennel a few times a year to go hunting with. And sometimes you see these dogs on a rope in a backyard or in a little kennel, no interaction with anything 99% of the time and it reminds you of a hobby that people have lost interest in. Yeah, they feed and water them and that's about it. They can't seem to get rid of them but they won't give them the time needed to give them a real life. Just like raising kids, you have to give them your time and interaction, not just feed them and hope for the best.
#32. To: Tooconservative (#30)
Yeah, I'm a human being.
#33. To: Tooconservative (#27)
And you know they get a little nuts about taking their calves.
#34. To: sneakypete (#29)
I have never heard of a yellow lab or any other lab making unprovoked attacks on anyone.
#35. To: watchman, sneakypete (#33)
That video was hysterical! And perfect timing, too. I have just now come in from halter training a six month old heifer calf. Her mother was in the pasture with us the whole time (I normally keep them separated).
But it wasn't the cow giving me that treatment...it was the calf! At around 200 pounds she was putting her head into me just about like that dude was getting from that mama cow. I'll be "stove up" for a week!
Yes, that was a freaky year for dog bites. No lasting trauma but we do shy away from dogs and dislike them in general.
#36. To: Tooconservative (#34)
Just because a dog is an animal doesn't mean it can't get annoyed, sometimes for a reason.
#37. To: sneakypete (#29)
Are you SURE it was unprovoked
#38. To: Tooconservative (#35)
(Edited)
Kind of a shame for your kids to end up dog-shy because of it.
#39. To: sneakypete, watchman (#31)
Exactly,but the truth is these same people would tie their kids out in the yard and ignore them if they could get away with it because they care nothing about nobody or no one but themselves.
#40. To: Tooconservative (#35)
You're brave unless mama was a tame trusting cow.
#41. To: sneakypete (#38)
Not so true. It is the tiny little dogs that are the quickest to bite and it is BECAUSE they are so little.
It was really funny to watch her try to play with them once they got their eyes open and were moving around. A kitten would jump up and grab her by the kneecap,and she would fall over just like she was tackled,and then try to slap box with them. The problem was her paws were so big she would send them spinning.
#42. To: watchman (#40)
(Edited)
Mama cow made some runs at me but stopped just short of contact. She was disturbed to see her calf lunging at the end of a rope.
My wife is even tougher! She has been hinting that she'd like to get a dog but I told her she'd have to wait until I'm dead.
#43. To: Tooconservative (#42)
Cows! [If you know what I mean, I don't need to say more. LOL]
#44. To: watchman (#43)
I appreciate that you understand cows (way more than I do!).
#45. To: watchman, sneakypete (#37)
Like I told TC, it was a freaky year for dog biting.
#46. To: Tooconservative (#39)
Now sneakypete will be cooking up a reply to say that if people aren't animals, how can you put a toddler on a leash...
#47. To: sneakypete (#46)
#48. To: Tooconservative (#41)
I think it is also rarer for a dog to adopt another's puppy or a cat another's kitten.
#49. To: Tooconservative (#45)
Sometimes animals can be triggered by smell or sound or they can be antsy because of violent weather patterns or other stuff.
#50. To: Tooconservative (#47)
When we say the word 'animal', exactly 0% of the population thinks we are referring to human beings.
#51. To: sneakypete (#49)
I don't think there is any question that pretty much every animal species that exists can tell bad weather is coming LONG before humans have an inkling.
#52. To: Tooconservative (#51)
I think they alert sooner to wildfires but we notice this mostly because humans have some of the lousiest noses on earth.
#53. To: sneakypete (#50)
(Edited)
I am NOT responsible for what the ignorant "feel".
#54. To: Tooconservative (#53)
(Edited)
I don't believe you routinely refer to yourself as an animal.
#55. To: sneakypete (#54)
If asked to be even more specific,I say that humans are an animal species.
#56. To: Tooconservative (#55)
Maybe you can tell us how that little tractor has worked out for you this year. It was an interesting purchase and you shopped hard for it.
#57. To: sneakypete (#56)
(Edited)
I am now officially in remission since last week,and am starting to feel a little better after losing 50 lbs of water weight. The chemo is starting to wear off to the point I can remember my name now most of the time.
It would really be nice if I could pick up a couple of fields to mow next spring for a little money to help make the payments. I had to spend a LOT of money to buy it,but I didn't see me as having any other options after not being able to find anybody else willing to cut the grass around me.
So far the only time I have used my new 4X4 tractor was to pull a engine and trans out of a 37 Dodge truck to sell to a guy in Texas that was restoring a 37 Dodge farm truck and needed a engine and trans. Got 350 + 150 for crating for the engine and trans,and ran into the side of my new truck and got a 500 dollar dent in the side of the bed.
I am HOPING to be feeling good enough to hook it up to the rough mower and start hitting the 8 foot high grass before the end of November. If I do get it stuck,I can probably pull it out using my big 2 wheel drive tractor and a lot of chains.
I have a 37 Dodge 1 ton 4x4 truck with a modified 390 Ford engine in it and big tires,so when a guy I knew happened to stop by,I got him to get in the big tractor (right at 10,000 lbs) to steer it and put it in reverse when I snatched it out of the hole. I then hooked a logging chain to the big tractor and the 37 Dodge and snatched it right out of that hole! I'm not going to say how fast I was going when the logging chain came tight,but it felt like the 37 came right up off the ground when it did. I did pull the big tractor out,though.
The new tractor only weighs about 3,000 lbs. I will probably start testing it by just driving it around out where I want to cut without the mower being hooked to it.
If worse comes to worse there is a guy up the road that has a big 4x4 tractor with 4 mud tires on the rear and 4 more up front that I can get to come and pull it out for me,but that's not the kind of thing I can make a habit out of asking for.
#58. To: Tooconservative (#47)
I am not an animal. I'm a human being.
#59. To: sneakypete (#56)
my new 4X4 tractor
#60. To: Tooconservative (#57)
call the commissioner and ask him to send a maintainer
The local gossip mills were already busy enough
#61. To: watchman (#60)
What is a commissioner and a maintainer?
#62. To: watchman (#60)
Somehow, it's all making sense now...lol
#63. To: Tooconservative (#61)
A county commissioner is an elected official who directly supervises road crews and conducts county business.
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