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Title: ‘MAGA’ Model Katie Williams Stripped of Miss Nevada 2019 Crown for ‘Being a Conservative’
Source: Gov't Slaves
URL Source: https://governmentslaves.news/2019/ ... rown-for-being-a-conservative/
Published: Aug 21, 2019
Author: RUSSIAN TROLL
Post Date: 2019-08-23 16:58:52 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 9085
Comments: 92

According to the dethroned beauty queen, the organisers told her to run separate social media accounts – one where she could voice her opinions and an ‘apolitical’ one for the contest. However, despite creating a second Facebook account, she kept getting complaints about her pro-Trump messages and criticism of the group Antifa on her personal page.

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Miss Nevada State 2019 winner Katie Williams has had her title revoked by the Miss America pageant organisers, and believes she lost her throne due to her conservative political views.

Katie Jo Williams, a member of the US Army National Guards and a combat veteran, learned on 18 August that she’d lost the title and been banned from competing in the upcoming Miss America contest.

In a statement posted on Instagram, she said the pageant coordinators told her via emails that she was “too political” to be involved, and that the only way to stay in the contest was to delete political posts from her Facebook page.

However, she added, the organisers failed to address her requests to clarify what content they found to be in breach of their ‘No Politics’ rules.

Williams has created a separate Facebook page for the pageant, devoid of political statements, but she claimed that the organisers continued to voice their disapproval in personal communications of what she was posting on her personal account.

These posts, in her words, included a picture of herself wearing a red ‘Trump 2020’ hat as well as expressions of support for the United States and criticism of the leftist political organisation antifa.

Williams had regularly received calls from the pageant director, Susan Jeske, but insisted that she would only communicate via email for the sake of her own safety.

“I stopped taking your calls because every time you were on the phone with me you told me you agreed with my political opinions and then in writing would softly scold me for them,” she said in a letter to Jeske, according to screenshots she shared on Twitter.

Williams has also published alleged screenshots of online exchanges with Jeske, which appear to show that the pageant director encouraged her to take pictures with President Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., while wearing the Miss Nevada sash and crown. (1 image)

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#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)

If you are in their pageant and you have signed their contract, you'd better obey their rules.

I do believe she followed their rules - it seems clear to me that this was a set-up all along.

You keep saying this or implying it but I have yet to see you provide any proof that other state title holders are doing the same thing on their pages.

It would be naive to think that they didn't.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-24   11:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#18)
(Edited)

It would be naive to think that they didn't.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's razor

And the pageant may be taking a more anti-politics stance here, given how sick people are of hearing politics in every sphere of life.

I know I don't watch hardly anything any more because I'm so sick of all the politics in everything. Sports, music, movies, TV, and now beauty pageants.

These hirelings need to keep their fucking opinions to themselves. Not a single person in America craves more politics in their entertainment.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   11:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone, Deckard (#11)

I’m sorry that it took longer than expected for me to get back to you.

I will continue …

There is no breach of the contract.
Show me the part of the contract she broke.
You can't it's you speculating what the contract says.

I trust the following will address all three of your charges.

Katie Williams is distorting the facts.

ALL the pageant asked of Ms. Williams, in writing, is to keep separate social media accounts. (ie: Facebook) One is for politics where she can voice her own opinion as Katie Williams and the other is a new Facebook page for the pageant representing Ms. Nevada State 2019.

None of this had to do with her personal political views. They are immaterial. She has her Personal Facebook page to voice her political views. She could be a President Trump supporter on her Personal Facebook page all she wants for everyone to read. However, the Ms. Nevada Facebook Page should be devoid of political content.

________________

The Ms. America Pageant is a No Politics pageant. It is in our Rules & Regulations as posted on the pageant website and therefore available to read before applying to the pageant.
(See below)

It is also included in our contracts and requires handwritten initials and signatures acknowledging that you have read and understood the pageants rules.
(See her hand written signature below)

Ms. Williams acknowledged both verbally and in writing that she understood these rules before she was accepted into the pageant. Nothing on her Facebook Page had any political statements at the time she was accepted into the pageant.

The purpose for these Rules and Regulations is that the Ms. America Pageant does not want to be seen as endorsing any political candidate or political cause.

Thru many emails starting in July she claimed she could not comprehend keeping pageant and politics separate on her Facebook pages. The pageant made many attempts to speak to her over the phone to try to resolve this issue. Many times we wrote to her to try to set up an appointment to have a telephone conference, all of which she consistently refuse to do. The pageant believes that a telephone conversation is a reasonable request and was willing to speak to her at any time that was convenient for her schedule.

The pageant gave her a final deadline to edit the Facebook pages which she refused to do. This leads the pageant to believe that she is no longer capable of representing this pageant as Ms. Nevada State 2019, and she is no longer eligible to participate in the 2019 national pageant. Her title has been revoked.

The pageant offered her a full refund on her entry fee and refund on one ticket that she purchased to the pageant after she fulfilled requirements of returning crown and sash and removal of the title Ms. Nevada State 2019 from all social media and the Internet.
(See below disqualifying Email and offering her a full refund)

________________

PAGEANT WEBSITE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS
No Politics

________________

AGREEMENT HAND SIGNED BY KATIE WILLIAMS
4-17-19
Agreeing to the NO Politics Rule

________________

REVOCATION OF TITLE LETTER
Offering her a full refund on her money.
8-18-19

________________

________________

https://msamericapageant.com/page.php?groupingID=miscellaneous16

I have attempted here to show you all the things you asked me to show you.
I believe I have done that.
Is there anything else you need from me?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   17:14:56 ET  (7 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#20)

Is there anything else you need from me?

Yeah, quit being to so long winded. Moreover, what did you do to yukon?

buckeroo  posted on  2019-08-24   17:21:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#20)

Nice document inclusion. The key phrase that sticks out is the one which declares MAP as the sole arbiter of acceptable conduct and participation and that there is no venue for appeal or for suing the pageant. I think it would be hard to get into court with a civil suit. No judge wants to wade into that by setting aside contractual obligations expressed in straightforward legalese.

If only sports/movies/TV and other venues would embrace the same standard. I'm sick of the politics, especially liberal politics, being injected into everything.

If you want to show your tits and ass in a swimsuit, then just do it. Spare us your political lectures and promotional branding nonsense. After all, we only cared about the tits and ass to begin with.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   17:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#18)

I do believe she [Katie Williams] followed their rules -
What is the basis for you to believe that?

In Post 20 , you will find in a letter from Susan Jeske, CEO Ms. America Pageant, to Katie Jo Williams [dated August 18, 2019] where Susan Jeske enumerated 9 instances in Footnote 2 where Katie Williams violated her signed agreement.

Can you dispute Susan Jeske’s findings or show where Katie Williams did not violate the signed agreement in those instances?

Again I ask, “what is the basis for you to “believe that Katie Williams followed their rules?

it seems clear to me that this was a set-up all along.
What is it that gives you a clear picture that Katie Williams “was set-up all along?”

You said it “would be naïve” to think that “other state title holders didn’t do the same thing on their pages.” It appears that you are just “thinking” that they are – while you have absolutely no proof that they are. When you're thinking something is happening and there is no proof that it is, then you're imagining it. You need to stop conjuring up these wildly strong justifications to substantiate your weak positions.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-24   19:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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BorisY  posted on  2019-08-24   20:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   3:09:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tooconservative (#22)

The key phrase that sticks out is the one which declares MAP as the sole arbiter of acceptable conduct and participation and that there is no venue for appeal or for suing the pageant.

Those clauses are illegitimate and you can sue anyway.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   9:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Gatlin (#20)

Point Q renders the contract null and void. It violate her free speech rights.

You cannot be forced to give up a constitutional right in a contract.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   9:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#20)

IF you would like to post about your political positions then create a new FB profile page for pageants only

Oh so you can talk about politics.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   9:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#26) (Edited)

Those [covenants not to sue] clauses are illegitimate and you can sue anyway.
Nope, they are not “illegitimate” – and – Nope, you cannot “sue anyway.”

You are expressing your personal opinion here. In reality you will find that when you try to sue after you have signed a “covenant not to sue” – you will quickly learn that the “suit in law" you desire to have heard in a court of law ”will never go before a court of law.” This is true since “covenants not to sue are used to settle specific legal issues "outside of the court system”.

A covenant ‘not to sue’ legally obliges a party that could initiate a lawsuit not to do so."
"The covenant is made explicitly between two parties, and any third party that wants to make a claim is legally allowed to do so. Covenants not to sue are used to settle specific legal issues outside of the court system. Parties may enter into this type of agreement to prevent a protracted, expensive lawsuit. In exchange for the covenant, the party that could seek damages may be provided with compensation or may be given assurances that the other party in the agreement will conduct a specific action."
Perhaps you will better understand the fallacy of your personal opinion after you read: Covenant Not to Sue Defined.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   11:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#28)

Katie Williams IF you [Katie Williams] would like to post about your political positions then …

Oh so you [Katie Williams] can talk about politics.

Of course, Katie Williams can talk about politics. She was never forbidden to do so. She, however, signed an agreement where she is expressly forbidden to wear her crown and sash when talking politics.

You will see in Post 20, a letter from Susan Jeske, CEO Ms. America Pageant, to Katie Jo Williams [dated August 18, 2019] where Susan Jeske enumerated 9 instances in Footnote 2 where Katie Williams violated her signed agreement.

You can also read where Katie Williams was given ample opportunities to “edit” those posts and she “refused” to do so.

It was never about her not being able to “talk politics” – it was always about her not representing herself as “Ms. Nevada” by wearing the crown and sash while “talking politics” and she violated her sign agreement by doing that on at least 9 occasions.

So, Katie, say “goodbye” to your title …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   11:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Gatlin (#29)

Courts Say Man Can Sue Despite Signing Waiver By Avi Salzman

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/nyregion/courts-say-man-can-sue-despite- signing-waiver.html

You can always sue. You may not win but you can sue. Comprende?

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin (#30)

However, she added, the organisers failed to address her requests to clarify what content they found to be in breach of their ‘No Politics’ rules.

Williams has created a separate Facebook page for the pageant, devoid of political statements, but she claimed that the organisers continued to voice their disapproval in personal communications of what she was posting on her personal account.

F you would like to post about your political positions then create a new FB profile page for pageants only

She can sue for breach of contract. You can have a political page if it is separate.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#30)

You can also read where Katie Williams was given ample opportunities to “edit” those posts and she “refused” to do so.

That's a bald faced lie!

Story and FOX News report HERE

Noah Jennings, Williams' spokesman, told Newsweek that Jeske was allegedly sending "mixed signals” to his client.

“Ms. America CEO Susan Jeske, who would encourage Katie over the phone, and then follow that up with emails and screenshots of things she took issue with,” Jennings said.

“Katie separated pages, combed through to remove posts, and overall made every effort to comply with the requests of the pageant.”

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-25   11:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#30)

What political statements did she make? Can you even name them? I don't think you can.

Canning her is a political statement.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:38:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#0)

These posts, in her words, included a picture of herself wearing a red ‘Trump 2020’ hat as well as expressions of support for the United States and criticism of the leftist political organisation antifa.

Saying that you hate Antifa and one of their thugs murdered 9 people in Dayton Ohio and you wish they would rot in hell. If she said something like that. That is not political.

Did any of them say they were queer on their pages? If so that is political and since they were inconsistent breach of contract.

My point is there are tons of ways to sue them. Not that she will or necessarily should. But she sure can.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin (#30)

She can also sue them for slander.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   11:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#34)

What political statements did she make?
You obviously have difficulty grasping onto the fact that it was not “what political statements” Katie Williams made – she was not stripped of her title for “making political statements.”

Katie Williams was stripped of her title for representing herself as “Ms. Nevada” by wearing the crown and sash when those political statements were made.

Can you even name them [the political statements]?
I have no need, reason, or desire to do so for it would serve absolutely no purpose here since she was not stripped of her title for making political statements.

Since are apparently are so desirous to see those – then you can look them up yourself. You will find the links in Footnote 2 of the REVOCATION OF TITLE LETTER in Post 20. I trust you will have no difficulty in performing that task.

Canning her is a political statement.
There you go again, stating your personal opinion. Which you are of course entitled to do. However, stating your personal opinion changes nothing and will rectify no “alleged wrongs” since Katie Williams was stripped of her title by a “legal action” because she violated – on at least nine stated occasion – an agreement she had signed.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   12:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)

She can also sue them for slander.

Exactly where did they slander her?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   12:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#32)

She can sue for breach of contract.
How did MAP breach the contract?
You can have a political page if it is separate.
MAP stated that she could and she had one.

But MAP stated that she could not wear the crown and sash in pictures posted on a political page and she did as shown in nine occasions.

She violated here written agreement and she was stripped of her title.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   12:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deckard (#33)

You can also read where Katie Williams was given ample opportunities to “edit” those posts and she “refused” to do so.

That's a bald faced lie!

Is it now? How did you prove it to be?

Oh wait, - I see now – you used this Story and FOX News report to prove it’s a lie.

Noah Jennings, Williams' spokesman, told ...
That is no proof.

Please now show your factual documentation to prove that Noah Jennings [Williams' spokesman] was telling the truth and that Susan Jeske [“Ms. America CEO] was lying.

Hearsay in news stories will not suffice since they cannot adequately substantiated.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   13:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#35)

These posts, in her words, included a picture of herself wearing a red ‘Trump 2020’ hat as well as expressions of support for the United States and criticism of the leftist political organisation antifa.
That being the case, then she was obviously not stripped of her title for the posts she is referring to here.

She was stripped of here title for wearing the crown and sash in the links in Footnote 2 of the REVOCATION OF TITLE LETTER in Post 20 for political statements

Saying that you hate Antifa and one of their thugs murdered 9 people in Dayton Ohio and you wish they would rot in hell. If she said something like that. That is not political.
An irrelevant supposition which never took place and there is no valid reason to discuss this hypothetical here.
Did any of them say they were queer on their pages? If so that is political and since they were inconsistent breach of contract.
Same answer as stated above.
My point is there are tons of ways to sue them.
There is no way she can sue them for stripping her of the title since she signed a “covenant not to sue.” [See Post 29].
Not that she will or necessarily should. But she sure can.
She CANNOT sue them for stripping here of the title since she signed a “covenant not to sue.” [See Post 29].

Uh, what was your point again?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   13:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#26)

Those clauses are illegitimate and you can sue anyway.

They are legal and binding, just like any contract.

Certain types of contracts cannot be enforced even if someone is stupid enough to sign them. This isn't one of them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   13:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Courts Say Man Can Sue Despite Signing Waiver By Avi Salzman

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/nyregion/courts-say-man-can-sue-despite- signing-waiver.html

Upon going to your link, I could not read about the case because this was posted:
Keep reading The Times by creating a free account or logging in.
So all that you furnished me was a HEADLINE.

I “comprehende” from reading more than enough of the Deckard posted articles that newspapers, other media lie by slanting their headlines – especially shit put out by the NY Times.

Since I could not read the story directly, you made me work and it took me a while to get to the bottom of this.

Yes, there was an exception in New York State where “if you've been injured due to negligent actions, you can sue – even if you signed a waiver.”

Was Katie Williams “injured due to negligent actions” by the MAP?

No.

You can always sue. You may not win but you can sue. Comprende?
No, I don’t “comprende” – because you cannot ALWAYS sue.

You showed me one exception – I will accept that, of course.

I ask you to now show factual evidence that can ALWAYS sue after you have signed a covenant not to sue.

Can you show me that …

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   14:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Deckard (#2)

Williams has created a separate Facebook page for the pageant, devoid of political statements, but she claimed that the organisers continued to voice their disapproval in personal communications of what she was posting on her personal account.
Katie Williams didn’t “tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.” Katie Williams neglected to state that the MAP was voicing the disapproval because she was posting pictures [9, at least] of her in the Ms. Nevada crown and sash where political material was presented – which was a flagrant violation of the agreement Katie Williams signed with the MAP.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   14:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Tooconservative (#42)

They are legal and binding, just like any contract.

Certain types of contracts cannot be enforced even if someone is stupid enough to sign them. This isn't one of them.

Sure you could. You could scour the other contestants pages especially the runner up. Then say something they said is political. Something everyone said is political. Again i'm not saying she should just she could.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   14:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Gatlin (#43)

Yes, there was an exception in New York State where “if you've been injured due to negligent actions, you can sue – even if you signed a waiver.”

Was Katie Williams “injured due to negligent actions” by the MAP?

It could be argued that she was injured, emotionally and financially.

They singled her out because she supports Trump.

She didn't tell anyone to vote for Trump that I know of.

Everything is political, or you can make that case. She could say they were being political because she just likes our country and the President. Nothing necessarily political about that.

Definition of political 1a : of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   14:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#45)

They are legal and binding, just like any contract.

Certain types of contracts cannot be enforced even if someone is stupid enough to sign them. This isn't one of them.

Sure you could. You could scour the other contestants pages especially the runner up. Then say something they said is political. Something everyone said is political. Again i'm not saying she should just she could.

That will NOT matter. Two or more wrongs will never make the first wrong be right.

All that would do would cause other contestants to be stripped of their titles if it were shown they violated their signed agreement.

Stone, with all due respect – you are grasping at straws on this one.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   14:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: A K A Stone (#46)

It could be argued that she was injured, emotionally and financially.
If she ever could get it filed, then she could be counter sued for “abuse of process.” That is to say for bringing a lawsuit for an “improper purpose.” Based on the evidence presented in Post 20, I really – REALLY – think she would be even more stupid to try that.

They singled her out because she supports Trump.
Whom she supported is of no consequence. It has no bearing on the resulting action. She violated the written agreement not for supporting anyone, but for wearing her crown and sash on political statements posted in Facebook.
She didn't tell anyone to vote for Trump that I know of.
That makes no difference. She could have shouted to the world by any and all means to vote for Trump. She however could not be involved in political activity while wearing the crown and sash. She was at least 9 times and she was stripped of her title
Everything is political, or you can make that case.
But you can’t be a MAP contestant and wear the crown and sash while “making that case.”
She could say they were being political because she just likes our country and the President. Nothing necessarily political about that.
The old “could-would-should.” But she dis say that. She wore here crown and sash in at least 9 pictures where political statements were made and she was legally stripped of her title for doing that.
Definition of political 1a : of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government
What is this supposed to mean?

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   14:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#46)

It could be argued that she was injured, emotionally and financially.

She was, no doubt. And she agreed to be subject to the pageant's rules and directives. She was, in essence, applying to be the employee of the pageant for one year if she won the national title.

And she signed the contract, knowing that other contestants in previous years had been stripped of titles with no legal recourse.

If you sign their contract, you have to abide by their rules.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   14:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#48)

Sidebar Post to Ask a Question of You:

Do you consider this a political statement?

A photo of two men embracing posted on Instagram, one with an American flag
skin and the other with a rainbow skin. “Don’t assume my beliefs based on my
political party! Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!
I will fight for Fairness for everyone regardless of where you fall on the political
spectrum.”

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   15:41:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#50)

Gatlin has been hitting the Sterno again and now he's posting his gay Twitter porn.

You know what's likely to come next.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   17:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Deckard (#40)

Please now show your factual documentation to prove that Noah Jennings [Williams' spokesman] was telling the truth and that Susan Jeske [“Ms. America CEO] was lying.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   19:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Gatlin (#41)

She CANNOT sue them for stripping here of the title since she signed a “covenant not to sue.” [See Post 29]. Uh, what was your point again?

Yes she can. She man lose but she can sue them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-25   20:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#53)

She may lose but she can sue them.

She can file the paperwork certainly. I'd bet the first time a judge hears the case, she'd throw it out of court.

The courts don't have any desire to litigate the role of political partisanship in beauty pageants. I can't imagine any judge wanting that case in their court.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-25   22:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)

Yes [Katie Williams] can [sue the MAP for stripping her title].
She man lose but she can sue them.
She can TRY to file a ridiculously frivolous lawsuit. However, it will be to no avail and she will probably find that she got overly creative with her claims and attempted a lawsuit over laughable causes.

When you say “she can sue” - You are only expressing your personal opinion. It is not a Legal Opinion.

A legal opinion refers to a written statement by a court, judicial officer, or legal expert as to the legality or illegality of an action, condition, or intent. ... Explanation by a judge or group of judges of a decision rendered by the court is also termed legal opinion.
I’m sorry to say – and I wish to never offend you – that your personal opinion doesn’t mean diddly squat. You will need to please furnish a Legal Opinion to substantiate and validate your position.

I firmly stand behind my many-times stated conviction that Katie Williams cannot sue the MAP for stripping her of her title. In addition to the many other reasons I have stated tp you, I will now add the following:

Understanding a Covenant Not to Sue -
A covenant not to sue legally obliges a party that could initiate a lawsuit not to do so. The covenant is made explicitly between two parties, and any third party that wants to make a claim is legally allowed to do so. Covenants not to sue are used to settle specific legal issues outside of the court system. Parties may enter into this type of agreement to prevent a protracted, expensive lawsuit. In exchange for the covenant, the party that could seek damages may be provided with compensation or may be given assurances that the other party in the agreement will conduct a specific action.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/covenant-not-sue.asp
Furthermore, I substantially believe that the MAP can sue Katie Williams for Breach of Contract.
Breach of contract is a legal term that describes the violation of a contract or an agreement that occurs when one party fails to fulfill its promises according to the provisions of the agreement. Sometimes it involves interfering with the ability of another party to fulfill his duties. A contract can be breached in whole or in part.

Most contracts end when both parties have fulfilled their contractual obligations, but it's not uncommon for one party to fail to completely fulfill his or her end of the contract agreement. Breach of contract is the most common reason contract disputes are brought to court for resolution.

https://www.thebalancesmb.com/breach-of-contract-398138

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-25   22:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Gatlin (#55) (Edited)

She can TRY to file a ridiculously frivolous lawsuit. However, it will be to no avail and she will probably find that she got overly creative with her claims and attempted a lawsuit over laughable causes.

The worst outcome for Miss Nevada is a judge who decides to make it clear to all the beauty queens out there that they shouldn't try to sue their pageants. In that instance, the judge could admit the case and allow it to proceed for a while instead of dismissing it immediately. Then the judge would toss the case and leave the litigious beauty queen facing the court costs and the defendant's pricey legal team hired by the pageant officials. Then she might face a countersuit as well.

Recall how Stormy Daniels was suing under the representation of Creepy Porn Lawyer and found herself owing $300,000 in legal bills? Like that. She'll be stripping from town to town until she's 75yo to pay that off.

You don't get to drag the courts into anything if they don't want to be involved. And you have no recourse unless Congress passes some black-letter law to enforce.

Furthermore, I substantially believe that the MAP can sue Katie Williams for Breach of Contract.

Just because they could, in theory, counter-sue her doesn't mean they'd be foolish enough to file such a lawsuit. Too much downside, not enough to gain. The pageant wants to stay on defense, for publicity reasons if nothing else.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-26   0:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#52) (Edited)

According to Williams, there was one instance where she thought what she was doing was ok because Jeske told her to take a photo with the president while wearing her sash. Williams then shared screen shots of the text message she received from Jeske.

Williams was asked to surrendered her crown and sash, and to never speak of the pageant again, but by the tone of her tweets, this isn’t happening any time soon.

***

BTW - This isn't the first time this has happened.

Miss World America's State/National/Chief Director accused me of being racist, Islamaphobic, and insensitive.

They stripped me of my Miss Michigan title due to my refusal to try on a hijab in 2018, my tweet about black on black gun violence, and "insensitive" statistical tweets.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-26   5:36:45 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Gatlin (#55)

You sound liker an ACLU liberal.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-26   6:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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