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The Establishments war on Donald Trump
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Title: The Republican Party is never going back [to Reaganism]
Source: TheWeek via a HotAir excerpt
URL Source: https://hotair.com/headlines/archiv ... blican-party-never-going-back/
Published: Aug 22, 2019
Author: Matthew Walther
Post Date: 2019-08-22 23:27:08 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 75
Comments: 9

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Which brings us to an even more crucial difference between the Ford and Bush situations and the present. Both Reagan and Buchanan represented the future of the GOP when they declared themselves against the sitting presidents, both of whom were throwbacks. For Republican voters in 1976, Reagan promised an end to the moderate paternalism of the Nixon years; here, finally, was a more telegenic version of Barry Goldwater, someone who would usher in a new era of “principled conservatives,” a man who could reach beyond the party base to Democratic evangelicals in the South. By the time he was re-elected in 1984, the party had been remade in his image. Likewise, in 1992 Buchanan was already announcing the great themes — opposition to globalized capitalism and free trade, the importance of winning over working-class voters who did not see themselves as a part of the established conservative movement, above all, the great “culture war” against the forces of liberalism — that would eventually carry Trump to victory.

By contrast, Weld, Sanford, Kasich, and Flake all belong to the Republican party’s past. They are out of touch, not only with where the GOP is at present but with its future. Nothing would please them more than destroying the man whom they blame for their defeat. But Trump did not invent widespread dissatisfaction with fusionist conservatism, just as Reagan did not create it single-handedly. #NeverTrumpers are promising a return to a consensus that voters have already rejected, not only in 2016 but in 2012 and 2008 as well.

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A rare instance where an excerpt is probably more worth reading than the full article.

It is Trump's GOP now. The Reagan generation is waning and dying off, leaving a vacancy for the Buchananite/Perot policy ideas that Trump has pursued as a candidate and in office. Trump is quite consistent in his support for ideas strongly associated with the Reform Party as Trump flirted publicly with running for prez as the Reform Party nominee against Bush Junior.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Good! Trump - and Perot - are my guys. I never agreed with Reaganomics - his domestic policy would inevitably lead to the concentration of wealth at the very top and the impoverishment of the Middle Class, and his trade policy would accelerate that.

I knew that in the 1980s, in 1992 I knew Perot was right and voted for him. And Perot (and I) WERE right. With Trump, I finally have a guy who gets it: a strong military hand, FAIR (not free) trade, and an understanding that the MIDDLE class is what needs protection, not the Upper.

Four more years!

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-08-23   6:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

Good! Trump - and Perot - are my guys.

It really does surprise me that so few people realize Trump's fundamental orientation politically.

Trump did flirt with running for prez as a Reform Party candidate in 2000 and in 2004. Perot was an economic nationalist and he was all about borders and stopping manufacturing from leaving the States. Trump's policies are, in large part, Pat Buchanan's. Which means the policies of Perot on trade and borders plus no immigration and staying out of wars but not letting enemies or rivals think we're weak and won't defend our own interests. Buchanan also added social conservatism but Buchanan was, in most respects, a Perot type candidate. So is Trump, perhaps even more than Buchanan was.

It seems so strange to me that libmedia never writes incisive opinion pieces in tight prose about how Trump is the Second Coming of Ross Perot. Apparently, I'm the only one who has noticed this about Trump. Seems bizarre to me because it is just so obvious.

Just as Ron Paul tried to capture the GOP nomination as a libertarian Republican (and failed), Trump did get the nomination and the presidency as the first Reform Republican president.

Trump is almost a third-party president who just happened to get lucky and cut through a split and somewhat lackluster GOP primary field. He'd never admit to it but I think few people were more surprised than Trump himself when he got the nomination. I wouldn't be surprised if history sees him that way, maybe 50 years from now.

Anyway, there's a novel thesis for you to explore if you're in the mood. Give it some thought and tell me later what you think of my notion of Trump as Perot's Second Coming. And why the Slimes and WaPo and the Atlantic still haven't noticed it.

Four more years!

It's not even close once you consider the Clown Parade the Dems are staging to pick their nominee. Even Harry Reid thinks they've gone way too far with socialism and Medicare For All. If they're losing Reid, they've got big big problems.

Sometime, we'll have to debate which Dem in the running is the most dangerous to Trump. Dems think it is Biden because they think it's all about being an old white man. Biden will also pay attention to blue-collar voters, something he always did do as a senator; Hitlery not only neglected them but her campaign and the DNC essentially said that white working-class men were of no interest to them in the future and thus did not even campaign for those votes. In states like MI/WI/PA. Which is where Trump won the WH.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-23   14:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)

(1) It seems so strange to me that libmedia never writes incisive opinion pieces in tight prose about how Trump is the Second Coming of Ross Perot. Apparently, I'm the only one who has noticed this about Trump. Seems bizarre to me because it is just so obvious.

(2) Sometime, we'll have to debate which Dem in the running is the most dangerous to Trump. Dems think it is Biden because they think it's all about being an old white man. Biden will also pay attention to blue-collar voters, something he always did do as a senator; Hitlery not only neglected them but her campaign and the DNC essentially said that white working-class men were of no interest to them in the future and thus did not even campaign for those votes. In states like MI/WI/PA. Which is where Trump won the WH.

Perot was THE candidate about whom I was the most enthusiastic of all of the cand candidates I've ever cand candidates I've ever voted for. (Unlike Trump, he had real moral fiber and the stro strong national secu stro strong national security chops to go with the America First mindset.)

Reagan's economics always offended me. As did the whole Moral Ma Majority/Religious Right business. The Democrats were cringing cowards who wo would have just given the world away to the Soviet Union. So Reagan, and then Bu Bush, had to be. Bu Bush, had to be.

I liked W more because of his compassionate conservatism: he gave a damn about education, at leas education, at least. And, of course, he was willing to fight.

Trump education, at least. And, of course, he was willing to fight.

Trump - I like Trump. I want his foreign policy (peace with Russia and North Kore Korea, Kore Korea, bringing China to heel on trade).

(2) Biden will be the nominee, and he is the most dangerous to Trump because Bi Biden can flip Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Warren will be his VP.

For Trump to win re-election against Biden, the economy is going to have to be do doi do doing well, he's going to need to have positive news on North Korea and Ve Venezuela, and he's going to have to resist touching gun control. Trump has to do d do do a lot right to hold onto that office against Biden, because many of those st states naturally want to vote Democrat.

If the economy is doing poorly, he can't win. It's the economy, stupid.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-08-23   15:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

(2) Biden will be the nominee, and he is the most dangerous to Trump because Biden can flip Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Warren will be his VP.

I dunno. Biden has a lot of senior moments. Trump will exploit those mercilessly.

I'm thinking that Warren slowly eclipses Biden. She is better at speaking and has a better grasp of issues. Biden was never that sharp and he has declined mentally IMO.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-23   18:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)

Biden is really showing signs, like Reagan did his last two or three years in office, but Biden hasn't even been elected yet.

I think he's the most electable of the Democrats, but's he's fading mentally before he even gets into office. We'll end up with his Veep as President.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-08-24   12:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative, Rockefeller Republicans, bushtards, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#2) (Edited)

Dems think it is Biden because they think it's all about being an old white man.

Trump is an OLD honky, and so is Ron Paul (women & minorities hardest hit).

Trump ain't no Peroit, his ears and hands are too small. Plus Donnell is a fake, Peroit was more of the real deal.

Trump is descended from the lineage of Spiro Agnew, Gerry Ford/Nelson Rockefeller, Bob Dole, Team Bush, Ruby Giuliani & Mitt's canaries.



Ron Paul - Lake Jackson Texas Values

Hondo68  posted on  2019-08-24   15:12:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#0)

By contrast, Weld, Sanford, Kasich, and Flake all belong to the Republican party’s past. They are out of touch, not only with where the GOP is at present but with its future. Nothing would please them more than destroying the man whom they blame for their defeat. But Trump did not invent widespread dissatisfaction with fusionist conservatism, just as Reagan did not create it single-handedly.

I have never before heard of the term "fusionist conservatism." Trump has been very effective at grinding the Neo-Conservatists to dust. Trump performed a public service in doing so.

nolu chan  posted on  2019-08-24   16:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Hondo68 (#6)

Trump ain't no Peroit, his ears and hands are too small. Plus Donnell is a fake, Peroit was more of the real deal.

Your mama dropped you on your head a lot,didn't she?

Perot was batshit crazy,and only agreed to run for profit and because he hated the Bush Crime Family with a passion.

Which proves that even mental basket cases aren't always wrong. He profited RICHLY from helping Bubba Bill beat Poppy Bush. You must be SOOO proud!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2019-08-24   17:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Hondo68 (#6) (Edited)

Trump is descended from the lineage of Spiro Agnew, Gerry Ford/Nelson Rockefeller, Bob Dole, Team Bush, Ruby Giuliani & Mitt's canaries.

You forgot Roger Stone. I can't dispute that Trump was a young businessman that ran in those elite circles in the Blue states. Trump was a Democrat back then but did seriously flirt with Perot politically. Trump wasn't a Republican until he decided to run for the nomination (he registered Republican after he claims he voted for McStain in 2008). Trump used the GOP for ballot access and is pretty much America's first third-party president in practice.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-24   17:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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