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United States News Title: ‘Zero Emission’ Electric Cars Did you happen to see the picture of the electric car fast charger being charged by the diesel generator? Its Kodachrome evidence of the Moon-baying lunacy of this whole Electro-Kool Aid slurping. Better to forget the EV charger, use the diesel engine to power a car directly cut out the middleman and be done with it. Instead we are hectored about the virtues of the middleman the EV charger. Which enables the EV owner to pretend and posture that his car is zero emissions. The picture makes it clear there are emissions just usually emitted at a distance. In this case, its just a few feet from the EV which conveys the inconvenient truth pretty succinctly. Its easier to pretend and posture when the source of the emissions is farther away (wherever the utility plant is) and engage in magical thinking about the clean electricity being piped into ones EV. Maybe Elon will figure out a way to harness lightning and transmit it directly to EVs. In which case, hurrah because electricity obtained that way would be free as well as emissions-free. But wait a minute. Lets examine this emissions business. Anything produced as byproduct of combustion whether for locomotion or generation can accurately be described as an emission. Something came out of the tailpipe or the smokestack. The salient question is whether whats being emitted is harmful. Certainly, things like unburned hydrocarbons, oxides of nitrogen and particulates can be harmful. If emitted in large quantities. But they arent being. At least, not from the tailpipe. Emissions of these compounds from modern cars actually, cars made since the 90s, which was a long time ago are a fraction of what they were circa 1970. Many new IC cars built since the early 2000s qualify as Partial Zero Emissions Vehicles (PZEV) notwithstanding that they arent electric cars. But they are very close to being zero emissions by any meaningful standard. About 95 percent of a late-model non-electric cars emissions consists of water vapor and carbon dioxide neither of which were even characterized as emissions . . . until just a few years ago, Suddenly Susan-style. Which curiously coincides with the elimination in meaningful terms of the compounds which had previously been characterized as emissions. And which were a problem meaningfully, in terms of smog formation and such. The change in marketing was a necessary strategic move that had nothing to do with air quality or protecting peoples health that mission having been accomplished. Which was becoming obvious even to the dull. The air was not opaque. People didnt have to wear face masks. All was well. Excepting the absence of a pretext for new and onerous regulations. The marketing change was necessary to justify the ongoing existence and expansion of the federal regulatory apparat. Thus, carbon dioxide became presto! -an emission. (Its interesting to speculate as to why water vapor also a potent greenhouse gas isnt of interest to the regulatory apparat. Maybe later.) But is this emission harmful? Potentially, yes. See Venus. But its the quantity that determines this whether on Venus or on Earth. Leaving aside for a moment the source of these emissions, the quantity of carbon dioxide in the mix (in the air) is currently about 400 parts per million which is higher than 100 years ago. But its lower than it was 12,750 years ago which was long before humans emitted anything except the biological stuff. See here. And C02 ppm levels have been even higher longer ago than that. See here. This implies C02 emissions are naturally variable a real stumbling block for the proposition that we naked apes are responsible for the variations today. Most people not being scientists and so easily scared by propagandists do not know that our geologic era, the Holocene, has been a period of unusually low carbon dioxide PPM levels. This unusually low level around 280-300 ppm has been used as the false premise to hystericize current slightly higher-than-recent (in geological terms) ppm levels. Also hystericized has been the rise in temperature attributed to this. It has been about 1 degree in fact but that has been projected to increase by 3 percent or more in the very near future over the course of the next 30 years which has created the current crisis narrative. Something Must Be Done. Now! But the projected increase is based on computer modeling. Which is based on premises that are by no means established fact and which leave out facts, such as historically low CO2 ppm levels in the Holocene and much higher ppm levels in the geologic past. Also shoved under the rug and the reason for the change in branding from global warming to climate change is the inconvenient truth that the warming hasnt increased as catastrophically projected. In fact, it peaked back in the 90s when some will recall The End was also Nigh. And then wasnt. If global warming was correct, the warming should have inexorably continued; it didnt. Instead of this being taken as contrary evidence that the science wasnt settled, the science became overtly political. But it is antithetical to the very idea of science to peddle a theory (a hypothesis, really) that can be made to fit anything. And thats exactly what climate change theory does. It cant be pinned down fact checked because the climate constantly changes. Its eponymous assertion that the climate changes cant be questioned. Such a person is a denier an interestingly religious term. Which is what were dealing with here. A Doomsday Cult, actually. Led by professional Jim Joneses, who arent interested in mass suicide but mass control. Once you understand this, you understand everything else. In any event, the anthropogenic emissions of carbon dioxide whether by non-electric cars directly or indirectly, by electric cars, at the power-generating source are literally fractional relative to the quantity emitted by natural sources we naked apes cant regulate, such as volcanoes. So even if the climate is changing, theres not much if anything that can be done about it. One of the few incidentally honest Climate Change priests, Andrew Yang, actually admitted this during the Democratic would-be-Decider debate two weeks ago. And was practically excommunicated for saying so. The crisis must not only by hyped, it must be portrayed as something that can be prevented . . . if only well do as were told. By High Priests who will, of course, do very differently as regards themselves. . . . Got a question about cars, Libertarian politics or anything else? Click on the ask Eric link and send em in! Subscribe to *Cars and Automotive* Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top Page Up Full Thread Page Down Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 5.
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
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Lets look at the true picture
It takes 30 minutes to charge a Tesla P100D which is then able to run 337 miles on a charge. The average for city and highway driving combined is 45 miles per hour. At 45 miles per hour for city and highway driving, an EV can drive for 7.5 hours on a charge. Diesel vehicle average 40 miles per gallon. A diesel-powered vehicle use 8.5 gallons to travel 337 miles while it will take .25 gallons of diesel fuel to charge a Tesla to travel 337 miles. So, Eric, the question is not zero pollution the question is [in your example] will an electric vehicle driving for 7.5 fours on a 30-minute charge from a diesel generator pollute the air far less than a diesel-powered vehicle driving for 7.5 hours? Wait, we already answered that question. So, Eric, the point never has been zero emissions it has always been fewer emissions. Comprendre? There are two general categories of vehicle emissions: direct and life cycle. Direct emissions are emitted through the tailpipe, through evaporation from the fuel system, and during the fueling process. Direct emissions include smog- forming pollutants (such as nitrogen oxides), other pollutants harmful to human health, and greenhouse gases (GHGs), primarily carbon dioxide. All-electric vehicles produce zero direct emissions, which specifically helps improve air quality in urban areas. Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), which have a gasoline engine in addition to an electric motor, produce evaporative emissions from the fuel system as well as tailpipe emissions when operating on gasoline. However, because most PHEVs are more efficient than comparable conventional vehicles, they still produce fewer tailpipe emissions even when relying on gasoline. Life cycle emissions include all emissions related to fuel and vehicle production, processing, distribution, use, and recycling/disposal. For example, for a conventional gasoline vehicle, emissions are produced when petroleum is extracted from the ground, refined to gasoline, distributed to stations, and burned in vehicles. Like direct emissions, life cycle emissions include a variety of harmful pollutants and GHGs. All vehicles produce substantial life cycle emissions, and calculating them is complex. However, EVs typically produce fewer life cycle emissions than conventional vehicles because most emissions are lower for electricity generation than burning gasoline or diesel. The exact amount of these emissions depends on your electricity mix, which varies by geographic location. While the U.S. national averages are above, look up your specific zip codes electricity mix and EV emissions on the Alternative Fuels Data Center. EV drivers can further minimize their life cycle emissions by using electricity generated by non-polluting renewable sources like solar and wind. Learn how to buy renewable electricity or install it on your home at the EnergySaver site. https://www.energy.gov/eere/electricvehicles/reducing-pollution-electric- vehicles Really
I don't see where you get .25 gallons of diesel fuel for the generator. I didn't see it on the page link you included either. .25 gallons just sounds too low.
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