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Title: The Case for Legalizing Organ Sales
Source: Reason
URL Source: https://reason.com/2019/08/14/the-case-for-legalizing-organ-sales/
Published: Aug 14, 2019
Author: John Stossel
Post Date: 2019-08-14 08:31:36 by Deckard
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Views: 6899
Comments: 39

People already legally sell blood, plasma, and bone marrow. Why not a kidney?

Have you volunteered to be an organ donor? I did.

I just clicked the box on the government form that asks if, once I die, I'm willing to donate my organs to someone who needs them.

Why not? Lots of people need kidneys, livers, etc. When I'm dead, I sure won't need mine.

Still, there are not enough donors. So, more than 100,000 Americans are on a waiting list for kidneys. Taking care of them is so expensive, it consumes almost 3 percent of the federal budget!

So why not allow Americans to sell an organ?

People already legally sell blood, plasma, sperm, eggs, and bone marrow. Why not a kidney? People have two. We can live a full life with just one.

If the U.S. allowed people to sell, the waiting list for kidneys would soon disappear.

"Poor people are going to be hurt," replies philosophy professor Samuel Kerstein in my latest video. Kerstein advised the World Health Organization, which supports the near universal laws that ban selling organs.

"Body parts to be put into Americans will come from poor countries," warns Kerstein. "I don't want to see poor people in Pakistan having their lives truncated."

What arrogance.

People have free will. Poor people are just as capable of deciding what's best for them as rich people. Who are you, I asked Kerstein, to tell people they may not?

"We are people who care about people who are different from us," he replied, "and poorer than we are. That's why we care."

These are "vacuous moralisms," replies Lloyd Cohen, an attorney who's long argued against the ban on organ-selling.

"Transplant surgeons make money. Transplant physicians make money. Hospitals, drug companies make money," he points out. "Everybody can get paid except the person delivering the irreplaceable part!"

He's right, of course, except that today some donors do get paid. Whenever foolish governments ban things that many people want, black markets appear.

Some people go overseas and buy organs from shady middlemen. Some make secret deals in America.

The process would be much safer, and prices lower, if buying and selling were legal.

"Financial incentives work for everything!" says Cohen. "They work for food; they work for housing; they work for clothing!"

He calls the warnings that "the weak and poor will be exploited" paternalistic.

"We heard the same argument with surrogacy," he points out. "Then you interview the women. (They say) this is a wonderful thing that they can do. And they get paid!"

Oddly, the one country that allows the selling of organs is Iran. The government buys organs from people willing to sell. I don't trust statistics from Iran, but a PBS report claims legalization has dramatically reduced the waiting time for a kidney.

Twenty-four years ago, Cohen went on 60 Minutes to argue for legalization of organ sales. At the time, he joined the debate simply because he strongly felt the ban was unjust. But now Cohen has learned that his own kidneys are failing. He needs a transplant.

He won't break the law and turn to the black market. He hopes to get a kidney though a group called MatchingDonors that pairs altruistic volunteers with people who need organs. Remarkably, a woman volunteered to give Cohen one of her kidneys. She's now being tested to see if she is a match for him.

If not, Cohen will be back on the waiting list with 102,914 other Americans. Most will die, waiting.

"Organs that could restore people to health and extend life are instead being buried and burned," sighs Cohen.

All because timid governments would rather suppress commerce than give patients a market-based new shot at life.

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#13. To: Deckard (#0)

"Transplant surgeons make money. Transplant physicians make money. Hospitals, drug companies make money," he points out. "Everybody can get paid except the person delivering the irreplaceable part!"

They won't even allow payment to cover funeral expenses.

Obviously, the organs are totally worthless. Or the donor (or their family) could be paid, just like the surgeons and nurses and all the middlemen.

In the case of kidneys, we only need one to live. So you might have to consider kidneys to be a special case as many kidney donors are not dead or in a coma and brain-dead. I tend to think that you could improve organ donation rates quite a bit by allowing payments to cover funeral costs. I'm not so sure you would want to let a college kid auction off his extra kidney for quick cash to cover college loans or pay for a new car.

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#16. To: Tooconservative (#13)

In the case of kidneys, we only need one to live.

Or one lung. Or one eye. Actually, you can live without both eyes.

How about $500,000 for both eyes? How many poor people would volunteer to go blind for $500,000?

Supply would exceed demand. Meaning the price would drop. We'd be at $50,000 in a month.

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#20. To: misterwhite (#16)

How about $500,000 for both eyes? How many poor people would volunteer to go blind for $500,000?

You may be unaware that there are those who desire "the gift of blindness". Also, the "gift of silence". Those who want their eyes removed so they can be truly blind often resort to using acid to destroy their own eyes. There is a neurologist (I think) who is still in court and who is in her wheelchair wearing leg braces who is suing to get her spinal cord severed. So she can enjoy life finally through the "gift of being a quadraplegic". Because she's always felt like she should be immobile in a wheelchair. But she is perfectly capable of walking and is in good health.

The Federalist: Woman Demands Doctors Sever Her Spinal Cord To Align Body To Mind, ‘Same As A Transsexual Man’

Yes, it is the same as a transsexual man. Surgeons being asked or required to cut off healthy tissue instead of telling the shrinks to do their job and help these people to adjust to their own bodies. To treat dismorphias, not amputate them.

And once you deal with that, try to consider the people who want their leg severed (usually the left leg just above the knee). Of they hate one of their arms (usually results in left arm amputations in mid-forearm). Or they hate their genitals, the so-called nulls. These are not asexuals (who just don't want sex). They want to be sexless humans instead. So you have men who will beg to have their genitals severed and the wound stiched up and formed so that they just have a hole to urinate from while squatting. And that is their holy grail. Doctors always balk at these requests (or they used to) but people with this kind of dismorphia will often get desperate and hack their own genitals off with a knife or arrange an "accident" with power tools or in some way so seriously damage their genitals that there is no choice left for the doctors but to amputate what tissue remains.

To answer your question, there are people out there who would love to have their eyes removed. And they would pay a doctor to do it.

Maybe we need a new organ-swapping/amputation dating service so we can match all these people up with their counterparts. After all, a masochist is only lonely if they lack a sadist to abuse them.

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#24. To: Tooconservative (#20)

You may be unaware that there are those who desire "the gift of blindness".

I know those people. They were previously given "the gift of stupidity".

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#29. To: misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#24)

I know those people. They were previously given "the gift of stupidity".

Well, yeah. I just wanted to point out that, no matter how perverse it sounds to 99.9% of us, some people just crave such things. Their lives revolve around it.

It's not reassuring to know that such persons, just like with the trannies, apparently have about a 75% rate of satisfaction if they achieve their surgical goal. A smaller group has regrets about pursuing their surgical fantasy. And, overall, psychiatrists say that they are all basically about as neurotic after their surgery than they were before their surgery, no happier or unhappy, more social or less sociable, more inclined to finding romance than not. IOW, they're no happier or fulfilled. But they are for the most part more satisfied to deal with their main surgical obsession than not. Because they do get so obsessed over the frustration of their desire for a major surgical intervention that they just go further and further with their obsession. Only to find that it still won't actually make them happy or more popular or more able to be fulfilled.

Another dirty secret of the sex-change clinics is what happens to these people. For M2Fs, they quite often work as she-male prostitutes to fund their surgeries. They also appear in porn for the same reason. However, being a street prostitute who is a she-male is pretty dangerous because of the types of weirdos they attract. So they have incentives to finish the process to become a "woman". And just what kinds of jobs do they get when they finally become a woman? Well, of the non-autogynephilic ones (see below for more about the men who are in love with themselves), about 90% of them become "female" call girls. They couldn't be she-male call girls but they can be call girls once they have surgeries and become more "passable" in their looks. And that is the final result of most any M2F that you ever heard of. Other than a few rare cases, they are mutilated men working as call girls. And, for the few who get married to some guy and try to raise kids, they often leave suburbia to go back to being a call girl. Because they still have male brains and desire promiscuity more than being maternal toward children or faithful to just one man. Because a M2F tranny just doesn't have the same concerns and interests as an actual female has. This is largely because they can't get pregnant and they are predisposed toward promiscuous male sexuality and, as tranny prostitutes, to making a good living from it. As with any other prostitutes, these M2F prostitutes do derive a sense of power over men they sleep with, something that some of them find addictive.

It's a very frustrating area of medicine to read about. Some of the crap these transsexuals put themselves through is just unbelievable, mostly for very marginal results, especially with the F2M transsexuals (who really are pitiable). Then you have some real oddball cases. Like about a third of all M2F transsexuals are what is called autogynephilic transsexuals. These are men whose primary sexual arousal is fantasizing that they are a woman. Some of them fantasize that they are breastfeeding a child. Others fantasize about menstruating. Still others fantasize about a male in their presence sexually but they do not actually desire a man and rarely resort to homosexual behavior; they like the idea of a man but don't ever act on it. Such men do supposedly have a telltale behavior: if they always have sex with their wives while laying on a bed on their back with their wives on top of them. In such a case, they're kind of pretending that their wife is a man and is mounting them as a woman. Then you have the more ordinary autogynephilic transvestites. These are straight guys who love to dress in pink frilly things and who want to be seen that way by another man who will treat them like a lady and use them sexually. But the true autogynephilic transsexual will generally dress in bra/panties and sit on their bed in front of a mirror and wearing a wig/makeup, masturbating to the image of themselves presented as a woman. And if an autogynephilic transsexual does get a sex change, they rarely actually hook up with men even if they could. They just continue their love affair with the image of themselves as woman, usually using a mirror. But it's easier for them once they have boobs and no nasty man-parts that they have to tuck back to get a clean pantyline in front.

Just for fun, I thought I'd mention that some women go for a sex change because they want to be a gay man. Yeah, I know. So, yeah, they want to have sex with a man but only if they can present themselves with surgical scars from their breast removal and tiny fake-penis that could actually satisfy no woman (or man) because it never gets hard enough because a clit simply lacks the structural support needed to penetrate, the way that a real penis can penetrate various orifices. So these F2M trannies go through years of surgeries just to achieve, at best, a squishy little "cock", fake balls sewn up into their ex-labia, and a couple of surgical scars just below their "pecs" from their breast removal. And some of them go through all this just so they can be a gay man. Think about that, digest it, get your head around it. It's sick, it's dismorphic and we shouldn't indulge these people with surgery to cut or remove or alter healthy tissue.

I have read a fair amount on these topics. Sometimes if I get a little depressed about something, I do feel better to read about just how sick and screwed up some people are and I'm glad I have no larger problems than I do have. It's a little like seeing someone in a wheelchair and feeling grateful that you don't have to deal with such a challenge in your life. Or that you shouldn't complain too much over your own lot in life.

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