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Title: College QB arrested, suspended after claiming ‘cocaine’ on his car was bird poop. It was bird poop.
Source: Saturday Down South
URL Source: https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/s ... on-car-was-actually-bird-poop/
Published: Aug 3, 2019
Author: SDS Staff
Post Date: 2019-08-11 09:33:59 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 39567
Comments: 348

Chalk another one up to faulty drug field tests:

Georgia Southern QB Shai Werts has been suspended following an arrest earlier in the week.

Werts was arrested following a traffic stop on Wednesday night in Saluda, South Carolina. According to reports, Werts was originally pulled over for speeding. When the officer attempted to pull him over, however, he kept going and reportedly called 911 to explain that he wasn’t pulling over in a dark area. After reaching town, Werts then pulled over and was arrested for speeding.

The QB was then asked about the white powder on the hood of his car, and he claimed it was bird poop that he tried to clean off at the car wash. The officer tested the powder, and it tested positive for cocaine with two different kits and in two different places on the hood of the car.

“Everything about him and inside his vehicle made him appear as a clean person but the hood of his car was out of place,” the police report states.

Werts denied any knowledge of the origin of the cocaine. The officer wrote that the powder appeared to have been “thrown on the vehicle and had been attempted to be washed off by the windshield wipers, and wiper fluid as there was white powder substance around the areas of the wiper fluid dispensary.”

In addition to speeding, he was charged with a misdemeanor possession of cocaine.

This is all really bad news because Georgia Southern plays LSU Week 1.

Al Eargle, the Deputy Solicitor for the 11th Judicial Circuit which includes Saluda County, told Werts’ attorney, Townes Jones IV, that these kinds of charges would not be pressed on “his watch,” Jones said.

South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) tests were conducted on the substance samples collected from the hood of Werts’ 2016 Dodge Charger, but the results confirmed that no controlled substance was present in the samples.

“I have not seen (the SLED results) yet,” Eargle said on a phone call Thursday night. “But I was informed that the test did come back and that there was no controlled substance found.”

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#51. To: Tooconservative (#50)

Perhaps you are not directly acquainted with the realities of owning and caring for cattle in the modern era.

First of all, I am sincerely humbled by your very thoughtful replies to my sad attempts to comment here on this forum. I often have to dash something off in great haste, as now. Thank you, Tooconservative.

There is so much in your reply here. I cannot possibly address every thought you have presented, even though I want to.

Just for now please know that there is a huge smile on my face reading the quote I pulled from your comment. My CATTLE would totally agree with you! At this very moment they are telling me I had better get acquainted with the reality that their stomachs are empty and their udders are full!

While that rich milk is flowing I will be considering all that you have said! And I will have a few thoughts of my own to make reply.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-14   7:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Tooconservative (#50)

Your posts are a pleasure to read.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-14   7:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: watchman, A K A Stone, GrandIsland, You two just gotta read watchman's reply to Tooconservative (#51) (Edited)

Perhaps you are not directly acquainted with the realities of owning and caring for cattle in the modern era.

First of all, I am sincerely humbled by your very thoughtful replies to my sad attempts to comment here on this forum. I often have to dash something off in great haste, as now. Thank you, Tooconservative.

There is so much in your reply here. I cannot possibly address every thought you have presented, even though I want to.

Just for now please know that there is a huge smile on my face reading the quote I pulled from your comment. My CATTLE would totally agree with you! At this very moment they are telling me I had better get acquainted with the reality that their stomachs are empty and their udders are full!

While that rich milk is flowing I will be considering all that you have said! And I will have a few thoughts of my own to make reply.

Your post, watchman, was no doubt one of the greatest posts I have ever seen on this forum. I can think of nothing better in this world than a truly inspired and magnificently presented insult. A great put-down is a rare thing of beauty and something to be remembered and relished like a fine wine. Someone can in no way pretend to be offended when they are insulted with the right combination of artistry and wit. While history has been filled with crushing zingers and fantastic comebacks that have made us go “whew” – yours here to Tooconservative will live in the diary of history in my mind as the best way I have seen anyone to ever tell someone “to shut the fuck up and leave me alone for I have no time to listen to you.” I thought I was good at put-downs, but you have truly set a new high standard and I will now focus my attention and dedication towards learning to match your ability to respond to someone who thinks he knows all there is to know about everything.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-14   7:48:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#52)

Your posts are a pleasure to read.

I really liked the response by watchman.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-14   7:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Gatlin (#54)

I didn't see watchmans response as a put down. Maybe I'm missing something.

Watchman is a blessing to have here.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-14   7:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone, watchman (#55)

I didn't see watchmans response as a put down.
That is why it was so GREAT.
Maybe I'm missing something.
You were.
Watchman is a blessing to have here.
Absolutely !!!

I enjoy reading his posts.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-14   7:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone, watchman (#55)

Watchman is a blessing to have here.

I came back to this for a moment.

When I first read a couple of watcchman’s one liners I Had the distinct feeling the he was Bucky using one of the multiple screen names and many different ISPs he has bragged about having and using on LF.

Then after I saw and read watchman’s longer posts I was quick to realize the he was far too smart, possessed too much common sense and used far better judgment than Bucky.

Personal Observation: I feel that watchman could easily have his own blog and/podcast if he wanted to devote the time.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-14   8:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: watchman (#51)

Just for now please know that there is a huge smile on my face reading the quote I pulled from your comment. My CATTLE would totally agree with you! At this very moment they are telling me I had better get acquainted with the reality that their stomachs are empty and their udders are full!

Only people who have raised cattle for years really understand The Cow Thing.

We had a smallish herd for decades and my father and grandfather raised cattle so, like you, I have Cow Stories I could share.

Sometime, I should assemble some of the stories I have about the weirdest and smartest cows we owned over the years. Not to mention some of the bulls. You probably know what I mean.

They live in Cow World. We're just their beasts of burden who steal their babies and break their hearts every year for the sake of some free winter feed.     ; )

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   8:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#52)

Your posts are a pleasure to read.

My posts are way too long and haphazardly written to be smooth prose. But they do at least represent what I think and I try to give an idea of why I think those things. Which means long posts work better than short posts for telling my opinion and why I hold those opinions.

Anyway, I used to complain that Vic's posts were a little too long but I am even more longwinded sometimes, often repeating myself and making poorly structured posts. Vic is more pithy and a much better writer when it comes to invoking history and constructing a good composition.

So, you are kind to encourage me. But I'm never going to be a great writer. Perhaps I'm too undisciplined or disorganized to write well.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   8:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, hondo68, misterwhite, GrandIsland, Deckard (#53)

While history has been filled with crushing zingers and fantastic comebacks that have made us go “whew” – yours here to Tooconservative will live in the diary of history in my mind as the best way I have seen anyone to ever tell someone “to shut the fuck up and leave me alone for I have no time to listen to you.” I thought I was good at put-downs, but you have truly set a new high standard and I will now focus my attention and dedication towards learning to match your ability to respond to someone who thinks he knows all there is to know about everything.

I think you've gone full senile.

I wasn't insulted at all. I don't think watchman intended to insult me. Or maybe he's just way too subtle at insulting me. He needs to be more obvious about insulting me or it just won't register, I'm afraid. I'm not that perceptive to subtle insults, I guess.

What's clear is that you are desperately hoping for someone to insult me or to have some incident on the board where you can get Stone to kick me out. Your recent posts indicated that you and misterwhite want me gone along with Deckard.

Then the new millennium would arrive and LF could be a forum where the only views expressed are those of misterwhite, Gatlin, GrandIsland and maybe yukon could even make a comeback (when he isn't clicking on his other browser tabs of gay porn).

Let's see. hondo68 is gone (or at least limited). If you could get Stone to ban me and Deckard, you could make LF a full-blown warmongering copsucking outpost here at LF. Paid for by Stone too. Like the interwebs are lacking in those kinds of fora. You can haunt FreeRepublic for a full dose of that any time you like. And you are, like GI, posting at FR. You are, here at LF, a cross-forum troublemaker who counts your petty victories on who you can silence and who you can get management to ban. Because you don't want to debate anyone; you want to silence and expel them. We saw this sort of thing back at LP too. When Stone inherited the ex-freepers that posted at LP, he got the types of troublemakers like you that only post on a forum to disrupt it, not to build it up.

How frustrating it must be for you that you haven't found a way to get Stone to do what you want with his forum. Maybe you'd like it if I apologize for having opinions you don't like or want anyone else to hear?

And I have quit this forum (and returned) just as many times as you have. Stop trying to look down your nose at me, you old fruit.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   9:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Tooconservative (#60)

What's clear is that you are desperately hoping for someone to insult me or to have some incident on the board where you can get Stone to kick me out. Your recent posts indicated that you and misterwhite want me gone along with Deckard.

Must have missed that one.

Not surprised though.

If you could get Stone to ban me and Deckard, you could make LF a full-blown warmongering copsucking outpost here at LF. Paid for by Stone too.

Sounds like a sinister conspiracy to turn this place into an echo-chamber.

And you are, like GI, posting at FR.

Same screen name?

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-14   9:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: watchman (#51)

While that rich milk is flowing I will be considering all that you have said!

Just wondering - do you sell raw milk to willing buyers?

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-14   9:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#55)

Watchman is a blessing to have here.

It is refreshing to have a new poster here with some independent views.

I, for one, want to offer a warm welcome to all new inmates here at your asylum. LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   9:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Deckard (#61)

Sounds like a sinister conspiracy to turn this place into an echo-chamber.

It's not that sinister because they aren't exactly subtle about their intentions.

As you probably know, you are their #1 target to eliminate, hondo was #2 (he got banned or restricted due to some friction with Stone), and I am target #3. Others, like Fred Mertz or Willy Green, are just useful to bat around but don't seriously challenge the status quo they would like to impose here at LF.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   9:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Tooconservative (#64)

As you probably know, you are their #1 target to eliminate, hondo was #2 (he got banned or restricted due to some friction with Stone), and I am target #3.

Woo-Hoo!!

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Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-14   9:35:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Tooconservative (#60)

where you can get Stone to kick me out.

I don't see that happening. Despite my mistake in the past.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-14   9:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Deckard (#65)

I like ripping your positions I disagree with. You aggravate me often. But I still like you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-14   9:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Tooconservative (#64)

Hondo just posts memes that aren't true. He rips people for positions that his candidates actually supports.

I have him to two posts a day.

I will put him on full right now. Just let him know to be honest and not stretch the truth so much.

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-14   9:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone (#21)

So they knew but they kept using them. Or they are just dumb.

The quarterback should be compensated financially by those in law enforcement that approved faulty testing kits.

He should indeed be compensated.

Most importantly, his arrest record should be expunged, as should all arrest records in all such cases.

And those states who continue to use tests known to produce false positives should be very aggressively sued every time they use the tests. I would expect they already are, and that the Defense Bar all across America challenges every positive result produced by those tests, wherever they appear. There's probably a page somewhere on a Bar site that has those producers names and a whole litany of false positives, all spelled out and summarized for ease of use in defense cases.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-08-14   9:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: watchman, Too Conservative (#44)

Now, you've told me the symptoms, but can you pinpoint the exact cause? (I can)

I can tell you why the Church has mostly died in Europe, and is rapidly fading in North America, and starting its descent in Latin America too.

But being that I'm Catholic, all past experience has taught me that we have to re-fight the Reformation to even get to the beginning of the conversation, and that all such re-fights (which happen a million times a year all over the world) never result in getting to the beginning of the conversation. (Which is one of the reasons why the Church continues to die at an accelerating clip.)

Truth is, Christians would rather that the Church die and not exist in two or three generations, then compromise on anything, let alone admit they are wrong. Therefore, the Church is almost dead in Europe, is dying in North America, and has begun to die in Latin America.

My only reason for writing this at all is that I guess I still hold a small spark of hope that Christians can behave like the Germans and French have managed to do. But I really just expect the Church to die, because I don't think the good will truly exists to save it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-08-14   10:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Tooconservative (#60)

Your recent posts indicated that you and misterwhite want me gone

You can stay if your personal insults leave.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-14   10:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: misterwhite, Tooconservative (#71)

Your recent posts indicated that you and misterwhite want me gone

You can stay if your personal insults leave.

Not your decision to make whitey.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2019-08-14   10:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Tooconservative (#60)

he got the types of troublemakers like you that only post on a forum to disrupt it

Well, what JR deemed to be disruptive. In my case it was both my criticism of Israel's actions and my support for pulling the plug on Terry Schiavo.

His feelings trumped my facts. But … his forum, his rules.

misterwhite  posted on  2019-08-14   10:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#55)

...a blessing to have here

Thank you, AKA Stone, I appreciate that.

I know that I am walking among titans here!

And...I was being sincere with TC.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-14   11:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: misterwhite (#73)

JR banned me for saying that getting rid of HW Bush was worth putting up with 8 years of Clinton.

Now he is old and sick and I don't care.

Vicomte13  posted on  2019-08-14   11:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Gatlin (#57)

I Had the distinct feeling the he was Bucky

watchman could easily have his own blog and/podcast

If I had half the talents that Bucky has...and my own blog...I would be an internet GIANT!

Interpretation: a true compliment to Bucky but, no, God forbid that I should ever have my own blog/podcast, primarily because I DON'T have Bucky's talent.

My old pastor/mentor told me on several occasions, "Never write anything down! If you do they'll have written proof of what you said and will hang you for sure!"

Did I listen? Well, here I am, writing things down...

watchman  posted on  2019-08-14   11:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Deckard (#62)

do you sell raw milk to willing buyers?

Even though it's legal to sell milk from one's farm here in Maine...I do not trade with someone I don't know.

If someone drank our milk, and then happened to get a stomach flu from their kid's daycare (for example), that could come back on me.

The Mennonite folks are mostly who I deal with. It is their steadfast belief NOT to sue anyone. I honor that by being obsessively clean with the milk.

May I ask, what is the situation with raw milk in your state?

watchman  posted on  2019-08-14   11:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Tooconservative (#50)

Cattle. They are the measure of wealth in the Bible.

For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. Ps 50:10

Ps 50:10 is a precious verse to Christians. When God says He can supply our needs this is one of the ways He assures us that He can do it! This verse was going through my mind when I replied to Deckard.

Perhaps cattle aren't the measure of wealth to humans (nowadays) but they ARE (still!) a measure of wealth to God.

And rightfully so. Everything about a cow is, well, delicious. There is no other meat like beef (that is available to the common man). The same with their milk. Not to mention their gentle natures and their calming affect on the stressed out soul.

Therefore, I DO believe there is a satanic conspiracy to deprive us of the richness of cattle. ie. cattle are the cause of climate change by farting/burping etc. this is such a lie! If it were true then kill off all those ruminants in Africa. Better yet just get rid of horses, the most gaseous creature you'll ever encounter. Ah, but no, these are the favored animals of the elite.

Today, cattle are being absolutely vilified. And what is being championed: dogs and goats. Just walk into Tractor Supply. The livestock aisles have been all but replaced by endless aisles of dog food and dog treats and dog this and dog that. The same is happening in other venues with stinking goats.

Just do a little word study in the Bible on cattle, dogs and goats.

And, BTW, nobody said AOC or any other minion actually had to be smart.

You continually surprise me. Did you say you are 6 ft/145 lbs. Slender Man! So it's not a myth!

Time for you to carry on that noble family tradition. Buys cows soon. You will be asset rich once again!

watchman  posted on  2019-08-14   16:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: misterwhite (#71)

Your recent posts indicated that you and misterwhite want me gone

You can stay if your personal insults leave.

I don't want "him" gone.

I would however like to see his "insults" gone.

He really has been on a tear with those lately.

His nastiness is quite a drastic change for him.

Maybe there is hope - I'll check back in and see.

Gatlin  posted on  2019-08-14   17:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: watchman (#78)

Did you say you are 6 ft/145 lbs. Slender Man! So it's not a myth!

There are a lot of very tall but very slim men in my family. I'm one of the shorter ones. The taller, the slimmer. I think they all weigh 160 or less but we don't inquire about each other's weight.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   20:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Tooconservative (#80)

6 ft/145 lbs.

Those are some enviable ratios.

My closest friends, all hitting retirement age, all running marathons.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-14   20:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: watchman (#78) (Edited)

And rightfully so. Everything about a cow is, well, delicious. There is no other meat like beef (that is available to the common man). The same with their milk. Not to mention their gentle natures and their calming affect on the stressed out soul.

I think you have dairy cows, like placid Holsteins.

I don't know anyone who describes Angus cattle as having "gentle natures". And they have the opposite of a "calming effect on the stressed out soul".

Dairy cows are so gentle compared those other kinds of cows. The kinds of cows that drive their owners nuts.

I was recalling after my earlier post how I once had to stop and take my horse to house while chasing an old old cow to the house in winter to give her better feed than she could get with the herd, corn and alfalfa. She didn't want to go.

...yada-yada-yada-yada...

I got the chainsaw and put it in the pickup and was roaring out of the yard when my dad hustled out of the house to jump in with me, to find out why I was getting the chainsaw instead of showing up without the cow I was herding...

...yada-yada-yada-yada...

And my dad watched the whole thing, didn't say a word until later when he said he had never seen any cow do anything like that in his life. Damnedest thing. I could never even have imagined getting into such a perverse situation with a cow.

Yeah, the cow had raced as hard as she could toward an embankment along which was growing a fairly large tree. There was a sturdy branch about 20' up the trunk and about 4' out from the trunk, the branch formed a "y". And that Y in the branch was actually less than 6' from the top of the embankment. The old rip at a dead fun flew out into the air, running blind through tall weeds, and just happened to land like an Olympic ice skater on that "Y" branch on her side. She was exhausted and couldn't move. Probably she was as dumbfounded as I was. She didn't struggle around and just laid there, catching her breath. Up in the tree.

When your cows start hiding from you 20 feet up in a tree, you really are doing something wrong.

I'll never forget my dad's look when he saw that cow laying on the Y branch, 20' off the ground. He couldn't really blame me because none of us had ever had a cow in a tree before.

The cow did seem to think it was the final insult when I cut the entire tree down with her still in it.

No, I am not shitting you, this happened to me, a memorable day. And yet, I would probably accuse anyone of being a liar if they told a story like that to me. It's, well, unthinkable. Cows just don't hang out in trees, 20' up in the air. They're not freakin' squirrels or coons.

Don't keep cows that get too old. They get suspicious and make trouble for you. Given the way that cow acted, you'd think I'd beaten her on a daily basis for the last 15 years. So she wanted to fight me to the bitter end because I was so mean that I wanted her in a sheltered pasture with corn and alfalfa daily until her calf delivered. I was a total monster obviously. A monster with a chainsaw.

I don't live on a farm any more. But I do have that same old John Deere chainsaw on my back porch.

And don't get me started on milking an Angus heifer. I assure you it was pleasant for no one.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   20:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Tooconservative (#82)

What made you give up farming, I mean, aside from the obvious cow-in-tree situation.

We have jersey's (that are bred to angus each year). When I'm stressed, I go out and stand with my girls. There is that moment when they begin to eat, especially hay, that is so rhythmic. You've undoubtedly heard of asmr videos...I get that everyday.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-14   20:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: watchman (#81) (Edited)

Those are some enviable ratios.

It's biggest advantage is for running. When you're skinny, you can run a long long ways. I recall a few times when I was on foot chasing stubborn cows and chased them down. They could outrun me on foot but I kept catching up. I did put them in the corral after chasing them for miles. They were kind of surprised that any human would actually chase them that far. Otherwise, a real disadvantage is that it's hard to get clothes that fit well. The clothes for those body types are made for teenage boys or guys in college. I sometimes resort to those but I don't like to look like I'm going through my third adolescence. Still, I do like clothes that fit my body type, not baggy stuff made for heavier people. So sometimes I will buy teen clothes, a little embarrassing at my age.

I would only be officially underweight at 6' at 137 pounds. I do recall from age 18 to my mid-thirties, nothing I could eat would push my weight up a single pound past 134. I consumed 3000-4000 calories a day for a few years in there, never managed to gain a pound. Like my weight was set on cruise control. I did weigh as little as 120 when I got mononucleosis once when I was 20 or so. Ended up in the hospital, then off work for a few weeks, couldn't climb the three flights of stairs at work without resting on each flight until over a month later. Man, I was sick. And so thin I looked almost like an Auschwitz survivor. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror 'cause I was so thin.

Being underweight isn't a joke for the person who is suffering from it. I had an aunt, maybe 5'5" who never weighed more than 85 pounds. And she did do a lot of work, harvesting her cherry trees and gardening. She had two kids, never weighed more than 100 pounds. Skinniness can be a family trait just as obesity is.

I admit I do feel sorry for the people, many of them much younger than me, that can't even walk around Walmart without riding an electric cart. But then, I weigh half as much so of course it is easier to get around. I think it is easier being older if you aren't heavy. When you're younger and stronger, you can be heavy and still do a lot of stuff. When you're older, the pounds just weigh more and people get immobile.

So I'd rather be my weight and look too slim, even if my old aunts are pushing 90 are telling me I'm too thin, rather than to be a cousin or two that I have on the other side of the family that are kinda obese and can't walk up a small hill without risking cardiac arrest.

I always wanted to weigh 170 as long as 25 pounds of it weren't just my gut hanging over my belt. Nothing sillier looking than a skinny man with big gut hanging out. But if I can't pack those 25 pounds on as muscle, I'd rather just let my body be slim, the way it wants to be. It's a little late to get it to change.

BTW, there is a new study that indicates far higher mortality rates for strokes and heart attacks among thinner people than people with normal weight and even the obese. So being skinny can kill you in your sixties from a stroke or heart attack that people of regular weight and even obese people would survive. Or so the doctors are saying now.

The folks on those electric carts at Walmart will probably outlive me and buzz around Walmart on their electric carts, shopping away for decades after I'm gone from a slim heart attack or a skinny stroke. But that's okay with me anyway. I've always cared a lot more about how well I lived than about how long I lived. Being old and sick and increasingly helpless has never been the main goal of my life. In fact, it sounds really awful and pitiable. Also, I find America has become like a foreign country, not the country I grew up in and felt more connected to. I don't want to live so long that I don't even recognize the country at all.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   20:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: watchman (#83)

What made you give up farming, I mean, aside from the obvious cow-in-tree situation.

My dad had dementia, suffered a final neurological crisis, had no nursing home insurance.

The cattle were sold to help pay for his care after he had been in the nursing home for a year and a half at around $6K/month, something he had told us would be necessary if he or my mom were in a nursing home for a few years. My dad was not good at making plans for funerals or what would happen to his stuff and his farm when he was gone. He got very upset at the thought of it.

He died before we were forced to sell the farm. We sold it later anyway after my mom died since he had left a trust for my siblings and me and also for each grandchild. A few thought we should just keep it but my dad never thought that we would keep it in the family after he was gone. It was his farm, not anyone else's in the family. And one of my cousins bought it in the end so it stayed in the extended family. Best solution really.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   20:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: watchman (#83) (Edited)

A well-behaved tame herd is actually a delight. I saw a herd like that once, herd cows, not dairy cows.

They belonged to an exceptional local rancher who had raised them with complete gentleness. I could see why people said his cow herd was just like dairy cows. One of these cows was a little old and was very fat, with a belly so big that she couldn't even fit into the cow chute for a preg-check. He said that was no problem and a half-dozen of us stood in a circle around her and we preg-checked that cow in the open in the corral with no restraints or ropes on her and she just wiggled a little but gave no other trouble at all.

One of our cows would have tried to kill you if you tried that. You wouldn't even get close enough to touch them before they'd want to kick at you.

Gentlest herd cow I ever saw. Or she was just too fat to fight, one or the other.

It was educational to see just how gentle a bunch of Angus cows could be if you never ever hit them with sticks or hotshots or yelled at them (yeah, the owner told us we weren't allowed to even raise our voices around them). Oh, and no dogs were permitted anywhere near his cows. Those were his main rules, he had some others too that I don't recall just now. That all sounded pretty odd to us when we started working the herd but you couldn't argue with his results. He had a well-known cow herd in the area and no one had herd cows as gentle as his. Obviously, he was a lot smarter than the rest of the county. I know I was impressed at what he had accomplished. It's something that took him decades to do.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   21:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Tooconservative (#84) (Edited)

I did weigh as little as 120 when I got mononucleosis

Had that when I was 17.

If someone really wants to get thin (not you TC), just get a good dose of giardia. If you survive the first 48, and that's a big if, you can control it enough that weight loss becomes remarkably easy and even comfortable. I'm surprise some weight loss gurus haven't harnessed it yet.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-14   21:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: watchman (#87)

If someone really wants to get thin (not you TC), just get a good dose of giardia.

I finally managed to stop worrying about getting hookworms (minuscule infection rates in modern Western countries) and you manage to find a new worm for me to worry about. Thanks a lot!

I have an aunt who used to de-worm her entire family every year though none of them had ever had worm infections. She had been trained as a nurse in the mid-Fifties. Well, none of them ever got wormy. But neither did the rest of us who had cattle and hogs the same as her husband did.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   21:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Tooconservative (#85)

It was his farm, not anyone else's in the family.

Sounds like it just wasn't in the cards for you to farm. I don't think I would have cared much at all for farming when I was young. In fact, I know I would have hated it. Now that I'm old, and have lived a varied life, it's fairly satisfying.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-14   21:33:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: watchman (#87)

People do say you can't be too rich or too thin. Well, they're wrong. You can be too thin to be healthy. I don't think I ever was but I never wanted to weigh less than I did, always wanted to be a little bigger, a little stronger. But I was pretty wiry and could dead-lift close to twice my weight (highest weight: 257 pounds lifted from a standing position, standing on one foot). Well, it was an unusual thing and that's why I remember it since I never lifted weights otherwise. I know because I was lifting something I received by freight from overseas and it had been weighed for shipment. I lifted one end of it and it weighed 514 pounds according to the scale ticket on the waybill. Lifting one end of it required an initial force of 257 pounds. I recall some other stuff, like hauling 100 pounds of salt, a 50 lb sack on each shoulder, and hiking it 300 or so yards to cross a creek on a tiny log and then carrying it another quarter-mile to the salt tubs. I was only a little winded by that. Sometimes when I unloaded salt, I would pick up 4 sacks at once but I thought 200 pounds was too much for my frame, considering you had to maneuver and stack them. I didn't want the back problems so many farmers get from doing stuff like that.

As you probably would guess, I did come up with a lot of ways to use leverage to get things done. It's good to be real strong if you farm or ranch but it isn't required. You just have to be more creative about finding ways to do the same things without using brute physical strength. I knew plenty of farmers that weren't very big or musclebound. A handful were as slim as me, maybe more thin. I can think of a few that were my age that probably did weigh less than me. And I've seen women on farms that can get around quite a bit of heavy work if they know what they're doing.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-14   21:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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