Title: College QB arrested, suspended after claiming ‘cocaine’ on his car was bird poop. It was bird poop. Source:
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Georgia Southern QB Shai Werts has been suspended following an arrest earlier in the week.
Werts was arrested following a traffic stop on Wednesday night in Saluda, South Carolina. According to reports, Werts was originally pulled over for speeding. When the officer attempted to pull him over, however, he kept going and reportedly called 911 to explain that he wasn’t pulling over in a dark area. After reaching town, Werts then pulled over and was arrested for speeding.
The QB was then asked about the white powder on the hood of his car, and he claimed it was bird poop that he tried to clean off at the car wash. The officer tested the powder, and it tested positive for cocaine with two different kits and in two different places on the hood of the car.
“Everything about him and inside his vehicle made him appear as a clean person but the hood of his car was out of place,” the police report states.
Werts denied any knowledge of the origin of the cocaine. The officer wrote that the powder appeared to have been “thrown on the vehicle and had been attempted to be washed off by the windshield wipers, and wiper fluid as there was white powder substance around the areas of the wiper fluid dispensary.”
In addition to speeding, he was charged with a misdemeanor possession of cocaine.
This is all really bad news because Georgia Southern plays LSU Week 1.
Al Eargle, the Deputy Solicitor for the 11th Judicial Circuit which includes Saluda County, told Werts’ attorney, Townes Jones IV, that these kinds of charges would not be pressed on “his watch,” Jones said.
South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) tests were conducted on the substance samples collected from the hood of Werts’ 2016 Dodge Charger, but the results confirmed that no controlled substance was present in the samples.
“I have not seen (the SLED results) yet,” Eargle said on a phone call Thursday night. “But I was informed that the test did come back and that there was no controlled substance found.”
A well-behaved tame herd is actually a delight. I saw a herd like that once, herd cows, not dairy cows.
They belonged to an exceptional local rancher who had raised them with complete gentleness. I could see why people said his cow herd was just like dairy cows. One of these cows was a little old and was very fat, with a belly so big that she couldn't even fit into the cow chute for a preg-check. He said that was no problem and a half-dozen of us stood in a circle around her and we preg-checked that cow in the open in the corral with no restraints or ropes on her and she just wiggled a little but gave no other trouble at all.
One of our cows would have tried to kill you if you tried that. You wouldn't even get close enough to touch them before they'd want to kick at you.
Gentlest herd cow I ever saw. Or she was just too fat to fight, one or the other.
It was educational to see just how gentle a bunch of Angus cows could be if you never ever hit them with sticks or hotshots or yelled at them (yeah, the owner told us we weren't allowed to even raise our voices around them). Oh, and no dogs were permitted anywhere near his cows. Those were his main rules, he had some others too that I don't recall just now. That all sounded pretty odd to us when we started working the herd but you couldn't argue with his results. He had a well-known cow herd in the area and no one had herd cows as gentle as his. Obviously, he was a lot smarter than the rest of the county. I know I was impressed at what he had accomplished. It's something that took him decades to do.
I did weigh as little as 120 when I got mononucleosis
Had that when I was 17.
If someone really wants to get thin (not you TC), just get a good dose of giardia. If you survive the first 48, and that's a big if, you can control it enough that weight loss becomes remarkably easy and even comfortable. I'm surprise some weight loss gurus haven't harnessed it yet.
If someone really wants to get thin (not you TC), just get a good dose of giardia.
I finally managed to stop worrying about getting hookworms (minuscule infection rates in modern Western countries) and you manage to find a new worm for me to worry about. Thanks a lot!
I have an aunt who used to de-worm her entire family every year though none of them had ever had worm infections. She had been trained as a nurse in the mid-Fifties. Well, none of them ever got wormy. But neither did the rest of us who had cattle and hogs the same as her husband did.
Sounds like it just wasn't in the cards for you to farm. I don't think I would have cared much at all for farming when I was young. In fact, I know I would have hated it. Now that I'm old, and have lived a varied life, it's fairly satisfying.
People do say you can't be too rich or too thin. Well, they're wrong. You can be too thin to be healthy. I don't think I ever was but I never wanted to weigh less than I did, always wanted to be a little bigger, a little stronger. But I was pretty wiry and could dead-lift close to twice my weight (highest weight: 257 pounds lifted from a standing position, standing on one foot). Well, it was an unusual thing and that's why I remember it since I never lifted weights otherwise. I know because I was lifting something I received by freight from overseas and it had been weighed for shipment. I lifted one end of it and it weighed 514 pounds according to the scale ticket on the waybill. Lifting one end of it required an initial force of 257 pounds. I recall some other stuff, like hauling 100 pounds of salt, a 50 lb sack on each shoulder, and hiking it 300 or so yards to cross a creek on a tiny log and then carrying it another quarter-mile to the salt tubs. I was only a little winded by that. Sometimes when I unloaded salt, I would pick up 4 sacks at once but I thought 200 pounds was too much for my frame, considering you had to maneuver and stack them. I didn't want the back problems so many farmers get from doing stuff like that.
As you probably would guess, I did come up with a lot of ways to use leverage to get things done. It's good to be real strong if you farm or ranch but it isn't required. You just have to be more creative about finding ways to do the same things without using brute physical strength. I knew plenty of farmers that weren't very big or musclebound. A handful were as slim as me, maybe more thin. I can think of a few that were my age that probably did weigh less than me. And I've seen women on farms that can get around quite a bit of heavy work if they know what they're doing.
Sounds like it just wasn't in the cards for you to farm.
I always thought my dad didn't ever want anyone else to own and manage his farm. Not even family members. I can't blame him at all. It was his farm. He had worked hard all his life for it.
I was glad we didn't have to sell the farm for his medical bills while he was still alive. It would have broke his heart, well, if he'd been capable of comprehending it.
I skimmed the Wiki article. I thought it was some kind of worm because they mentioned a medicine that is used for giardia which is also anti-helminthic. Helminths are worms. So I thought it was worms. Now that you mentioned it, I can see I should have read more closely.
I really dread diseases caused by worms and bad sanitation practices. As you know, these are all ancient enemies of the human race and have killed us off in vast numbers throughout history until the last few centuries.
On second reading, I was charmed to see giardia was discovered by van Leeuwenhoek, the Dutch guy who invented microscopes and therefore microbiology. Apparently, I didn't manage to sleep through all my science classes in elementary school.
I had read of giardia as a killer in the Third World, one of the endemic diseases in some regions.
But we advance. Last year, we were down to just two countries with any cases of polio. And some of those were vaccine-induced polio because a tiny fraction of people can get polio just from the vaccine. Perhaps you recall a discussion of this I posted, about how we are approaching the point where so few cases of polio are being prevented that the vaccinations themselves become the last remaining cases of the disease. And that is when you declare victory over another dreaded killer disease of millions of people.
At some point in the next 5 years or so, they could end use of the polio vaccine. It could become essentially an extinct disease worldwide, just as smallpox did.
I don't see that happening. Despite my mistake in the past.
Well, you never kicked me out or threatened to kick me out that I recall.
You did change my online handle from TooConservative to _______ (I honestly can't recall). And when you got over being mad at me a few days later, you changed it back to Tooconservative (without a capital C).
While you can change handles like that as administrator, it isn't such a good idea due to the Pinguinite indexes its posts. The messages are all based on a member number and the names are looked up in the list and pings are sent out. In this way, if you don't change the handle back to what it was exactly, letter-for-letter, it can create problems if you try to do a forum search and it can affect pings.
I've run my home version of Pinguinite and played around with doing that, long before you started having fun doing it. I discovered it can have a few unanticipated results since Neil never really imagined anyone having their handle changed. Lots of forums don't allow changes to the account handle for this reason. So many things rely on the user name remaining constant.
But changing a handle doesn't break the forum or crash the server. But some things may not work exactly right in searches and pings. Anyway, my copy of Pinguinite was like that, it is possible Neil made fixes to the version of P that you are running here. I can't say that I saw any real errors over changing my handle for a few days but it didn't always cause problems when I did it here either. I seem to recall that a changed handle could affect pings and searches but I didn't keep any other notes about it.
But being that I'm Catholic, all past experience has taught me that we have to re-fight the Reformation to even get to the beginning of the conversation, and that all such re-fights (which happen a million times a year all over the world) never result in getting to the beginning of the conversation. (Which is one of the reasons why the Church continues to die at an accelerating clip.)
Agreed. Sometimes the best way to move forward and actually agree amicably is not to debate at all. Just try to draw closer, recognize common interests.
It's a disgrace how the ancient Christian churches in the Mideast have met such horrible persecution as we have meddled there and invaded. I can't understand why people are so indifferent to them.
Truth is, Christians would rather that the Church die and not exist in two or three generations, then compromise on anything, let alone admit they are wrong. Therefore, the Church is almost dead in Europe, is dying in North America, and has begun to die in Latin America.
Your remark brings to mind something I thought about recently about Judaism. As we all know, Jews have been saying "Next year in Jerusalem", especially in the Diaspora outside Israel itself. So they've dreamed of Jerusalem all these years but they don't move there and many of them won't even visit Israel or just prefer other destinations. So they've had 70 years to get with the program and just move to Jerusalem. Yet every year, they keep repeating "Next year in Jerusalem". I know you can see the humor.
So I considered what might happen if, say, a bolt of lighting came out of the sky and obliterated the mosque on Temple Mount and scare the Muslims so much that they didn't even want to rebuild it.
And Israel could then build the Third Temple. What I wondered was how many Jews would leave Judaism is they actually had to practice the animal sacrifices demanded in the Old Testament. Would they summon the priestly family, prepare the purification rituals, slaughter the animals, then sell the carcasses in the local market afterward? Or would modern Jews just be so horrified at the thought of handing an animal to a priest to slaughter it to expiate their sins in a blood sacrifice?
I think many of the two most liberal Jewish denominations would just quit Judaism completely. These people are already intermarrying their temples out of existence, no matter what the rabbis do. I think many modern Orthodox Jews, like Ben Shapiro, would also try to find some way not to observe animal sacrifice in a Third Temple.
I think some Orthodox Jews might support the Temple sacrifices. But not all. And some Orthodox Jews don't think that the Israel established in 1947 is the real Israel of which scripture speaks, that it is a fake.
I do wonder just how many Jews in the modern era really want to expiate their sins by handing an unblemished lamb to a priest to have its throat cut at the Third Temple. That's a lot more graphic than just reciting Next Year In Jerusalem every year.
If they did build the Third Temple and started sacrificing, can you even picture the heads exploding over at PETA HQ? You could sell tickets on PPV for a confrontation like that.
Anyway, Jews do give lip service to rebuilding the Temple. And certainly lots of Christian prophecy books describe it as coinciding with the False Prophet, the forerunner of the Antichrist. And the Antichrist will then commit the abomination of desolation (idolatry) in that new Temple. But when you get right down to it, do Jews or even Christians want to see animal sacrifice on altars in the Mideast? I think most of them would hate the idea.
I will put him on full right now. Just let him know to be honest and not stretch the truth so much.
Certainly there are a few limits here even on a real free speech forum. And longtime posters need to recognize this and not push it past your limits. You tolerate a lot of opinions you don't like but some issues do push your buttons a lot more than others.
Personally, I don't care if other people have opinions that I disagree with or that offend me. It's when I think their opinions express a contempt for me or a disregard for basic polite conduct that I do get a little riled. I think you sometimes feel something along those same lines if a poster is stepping over your line.
These forums, people need to remember that you don't offend the host. You can offend anyone else but not the guy who is footing the bill. And you definitely do not make the host feel you are deliberately disrespecting them as a person on their own forum.
The truth about rebuilding the Temple is that it will end up just being the sin of I of Israel if they do it.
You may remember that when Je of I of Israel if they do it.
You may remember that when Jeroboam split off the North Kingdom (Israel) from Ju Judah during the reign of Rehoboam (son of Solomon), that he immediately began to to worry that the fact that the Temple and altar was in Jeru to to worry that the fact that the Temple and altar was in Jerusalem would in inevitably drag Israel back into unity with Judah because of the religious ti tie. Every year, the inhabitants of Israel would have to make three pi pilgrimages into Judah. So Jeroboam built altars in the North and commissioned a a priesthood to perform the sacrifices on those altars ( a a priesthood to perform the sacrifices on those altars (frequently translated as as "high places" in the English).
And you may recall that God sent prophet after prophet to Israel, warning them that the "High Places" were an abomination, because God had ordained ONE altar for Israel, and the ONLY priests who could sacrifice upon it were those directly descended from Aaron. That bloodline, and that bloodline ONLY, was authorized to perform the sacrifices. Anybody else who did was was in fact performi performing a blasphemous act. Thus, the " performi performing a blasphemous act. Thus, the "priests" of the North were an abominat abomination, even though they were following the same rites and rituals.
Now recall two things that Jesus said: First, that not a letter of the law could could change until the end of the world. could could change until the end of the world. The Law was for the Israelites at Sinai Sinai and their lineal descendants in I Sinai Sinai and their lineal descendants in Israel, and nobody else. People have tried tried to write the Christians into tha tried tried to write the Christians into that law, but that defies Jesus who said NO change changes until the end of the world. change changes until the end of the world.
Second, recall that Jesus said that the Temple would be destroyed in that gene generation, and it WAS, in 69 AD, by Titus and the Roman Army.
Reading Josephus, we discover the dramatic scene during the conquest of Je Jerusalem in which the priests, barricaded into the Temple, sought to surrender to to the Romans, but Titus refused t to to the Romans, but Titus refused their surrender, stating that THEY had been th the source of the rebellion and all of the bloodshed, and ordering that they be ex executed to a man. When God sen ex executed to a man. When God sent the Roman Army to destroy the Temple, the pr priesthood was destroyed with it.
So, if you built a new Temple, you will have erected an altar, a high place, but where are you going to get the Aaronic priests? They all died in 69 AD. It is IMPOSSIBLE to find anybody who is their descendant. Oh sure, there are LEGENDS of this and that, but that's all they are, popular legends. Note again that ONLY the Aaronic priest can perform the sacrifices, that for anybody ELSE to do it - even meaning well (as the priests of Israel did) - is an abomination befo before God. Note tha befo before God. Note that God left no wiggle room: the law cannot be changed even by a by a letter until th by a by a letter until the end of the world.
God intended exactly this result. Sure, you can build an altar where the Te Temple used to be, but if you revive the sacrifices, you're doing no different th than the Northern th than the Northern Kingdom did: you are creating a false priesthood to perform ab abominations on a high place. There is absolutely no way to determine whether AN ANY Aaronic prie AN ANY Aaronic priests survived the fall of Rome, and no possible way to choose pr priests that descended from Aaron.
Oh, sure, the Jews who spent the money and effort to rebuild the Temple would CLAIM that the Cohanite genetic marker is "proof" of Aaronic descent, but th that's just wishful thinking.
Truth is, Jesus said that the Law could not change and gave a New Covenant for individuals only, different, new wine in a new bottle. He also predicted the destruction of the Temple. And God made that happen, shattering the old wine in the old bottle and removing from the earth the possibility of fulfilling the terms of the Hebrew Covenant. Because it can't be changed, it CAN'T be revived, even if you rebuild the temple. At best, all you can do is recreate the sin of the Northern Kingdom, carrying out sacrifices on an altar with politically-selected non-priestly hands, and that never has and never will ple please the God of Israel.
So nope, the old rites can never be restarted, not unless God himself reveals a an Aaronic heir.
But when you get right down to it, do Jews or even Christians want to see animal sacrifice on altars in the Mideast? I think most of them would hate the idea.
Given what I said above, if I saw it happening again I would denounce it as blasphemous and idolatrous, for the priests are not descended from Aaron.
On the whole, there is a really stubborn strain on Judaizing in Christianity whose origin I understand. What I don't understand is the tenacity with which people hold onto it, given that it would be terribly inconvenient and restrictive. When shown that Jesus clearly points a different way, and that keeping the Jewish law when you're not a Jew living in Israel with the Temple up is pointless anyway, I would expect that Christians would heave a sigh of relief, take a look at the evidence and say "O Thank God!, you're RIGHT" and stop doing the nonsense.
Instead, they just seem to hunker down and dig in and WANT things to be impossible and hard.
Meanwhile, the Church dies out all around us. That sort of mindset is precisely why (and it's precisely WHY the Apostles, in Acts, condemned "Judaizing" - it's not what Jesus said to do, and it's deadly to the Church).
That little tidbit let's me tell my story in the absolute worst way possible.
You've probably tried to scare your daughter a few times with that one.
I've come to think that about 60-70% of the population is going to get mono. Just like about half will get Type I Herpes (mouth sores). I think most everyone in my high school had one or both.
Given what I said above, if I saw it happening again I would denounce it as blasphemous and idolatrous, for the priests are not descended from Aaron.
I think they'd argue that point with you.
Otherwise, they have a hopelessly dead religion with no qualified persons to administer the sacraments. And no fulfillment of the messianic prophecy. It does little good for a messiah to finally appear (or appear for the second time) if there's no way to conduct the decreed religious rituals.
The Church is dying, but I'm not so sure that belief in God is.
Nor do I think that people have become hostile to Jesus.
In fact, what I think is happening is that the aspects of the Christian Churches that are contrary to what Jesus said are rapidly dying out - and the institutions that tenaciously hold onto those things that did not come from Jesus' mouth - are deep-sixing like torpedoed ships.
I think that overall this is a positive development, because the parts of organized Christianity that stink, really stink.
The question, I think, is whether a reformed form of Christianity can take root, or the existing, terminally cancerous organizations will cling to the name of Jesus and take everything down with them. In Europe, I would say that the latter has happened, and that the only truly vibrant religion in Europe today is Islam. Nationalism, Imperialism, the two World Wars, Communism and general nationalist and ideological fanaticism - and Christianity's active collusion with, or pathetically weak resistance to - those ideas cost the religion its credibility, its dignity and its respect. Church attendance is down in the single digits, and not recovering. And those more conservative places like Catholic Ireland, that have held more tenaciously to the faith, have been rocked to the roots by sexual abuse scandals and the uncovering of murder and abuse at Catholic orphanages spanning back two centuries. That has shattered trust, and people are no longer willing to impose hardships on their own lives (vis a vis divorce, abortion and homosexuality) because some discredited religion of pedophiles and murderers tells them to. The Emperor has no clothes, and now that everybody sees it, all of the political power that held things a certain way has evaporated rapidly.
In America, the issues are closely related, plus there is the very strong issue of economic aid to the poor, which is not a religious issue in Europe because of universal social democracy there.
I have found that Christians are not willing to discuss these issues, though, preferring to mount the old hobbyhorses of doctrinal differences that don't make a tinker's dam of difference in abandoned Churches that are converted into mosques.
This is why I say that traditional Christian divisions will, in fact, be the lethal poison that literally kills Christianity rather than letting it reform.
According to the Bible, Israel will revive the sacrifices.
That it doesn't please God, well, they just can't see that right now.
According to the Bible, Israel CANNOT revive the sacrifices unless they have an Aaronic priesthood, which they CANNOT reconstitute, so absent a revelation from God of a new Aaronic priesthood, the sacrifices cannot ever be rightly resumed.
Otherwise, they have a hopelessly dead religion with no qualified persons to administer the sacraments. And no fulfillment of the messianic prophecy. It does little good for a messiah to finally appear (or appear for the second time) if there's no way to conduct the decreed religious rituals.
The messiah was for the Jews - not the Gentiles. Gentiles were not waiting for a Messiah to fit into our pagan religious structures. We just follow Jesus directly. The Jews were expecting something. What they were supposed to do was FOLLOW HIM and do what he said. That would have added his moral law and the promise of life after death in paradise - which is TOTALLY ABSENT FROM THE TORAH - to the promise of a secure Israel made in the Torah.
10% of the Jews DID follow Jesus, but 90% did not, including the Temple Authorities. Jesus made it CLEAR that the Torah CANNOT BE REVISED, and that the Temple WOULD BE DESTROYED, and God DID destroy it. So now the religion of the Torah IS NOT FOLLOWED ANYWHERE, and CANNOT BE since 69 AD. God Himself removed the necessary place and elements for its practice.
And God NEVER made a distinction between "ritual law" and "moral law" that is a purely made up confection of some people who wanted to do a little bit of both. It's not from God. God said you have to do ALL OF IT, if you're a Hebrew, to get the promise of the Torah, which IS NOT life after death - no reference to that - it's a secure farm in Israel in THIS life. God himself removed the ability to do that. So, the 90% who didn't follow Jesus simply made up a new religion and follow that.
It's not the Torah - most of the Torah is rites. And it's not Jesus. It's a confection of their own. And they don't agree on it. Gentiles were never promised a farm in Israel, and it's pointless for Gentiles to focus on that. When they do, they ignore what Jesus taught, which is the entire game.
Meanwhile, the Church is in steep decline all around.
Christians will either shuck off all of that bad rubbish and follow Jesus, or the baggage of religious tradition they made up will pull them to the bottom of the ocean and what's left of their false religion with it.
Those are the choices. I think Christians are going to stick with the traditions made by their own hands and simply die out. In Europe, they'll be replaced by Islam. In the Americas, by secular democracy.
It COULD be fixed, but nobody wants to do what would be required, so I don't think it actually will be.
On the whole, there is a really stubborn strain on Judaizing in Christianity whose origin I understand.
Yeah, they just want to grab the statutory elements of the O.T. And they really like some of the stories. Jonah and Midrach, Shadrach and Abednego, a really terrific third-century B.C. boy band. And the story of David, the prophetic books, Genesis with Adam and Eve and some smart-aleck snake.
It isn't hard to see why they want them. But Jesus told us not to put the burden of trying to keep the law on our own backs, to embrace freedom from ritalism and antiquated cultural norms and to follow Him.
Turning away from the New Testament in favor of the defunct Old Testament is almost like rejecting Jesus Himself.
The New Testament is the Christian canon. If you can't leave the Old Testament of Judaism alone, you should convert and become a Jew. Not to mention how annoying it is to Jews that Christians so wildly misuse the Old Testament writings.
Modern Christians behave as though they own the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. But they don't. Nor should they.
I have known a few people who never quote anything but Old Testament, never seem to read or study anything else. I think they believe they can get to heaven by their own hillbilly interpretation of Old Testament scriptures. You see they have a secret, a gnosis, of The Hidden Truth.
In America, the vortex that is cracking the hull of Christianity is the wedding of the Christian Churches to a political ideology that favors a certain socio-economic pact that frankly wo economic pact that frankly works at odds to Jesus. The Christians focus on sexual issues with a econom sexual issues with a economic pact that frankly works at odds to Jesus. The Christians focus on sexual issues with a judgmentalism that exceeds Jesus, but prefer Reagan and Mi Milton Friedman, and Ayn Rand, in their economics over Jesus.
That isn't sustainable as wealth has concentrated and poverty has risen, and anybody who reads what Jesus said sees the obvious hypocrisy in it. So the young have abandoned the Church en masse, and the old cling to the politics and the the religion, wh the the religion, which they have joined, and refuse to admit their error.
And so the Church dies around them.
The Catholics, for their part, priestly celibacy and child molestation, while scolding married couples for birth control - that has set the axe to the root of the Catholic Church. However authoritative the Pope and Bishops may be, they've got nothing if they can't pay the rent, and the people who pay the rent are the people in the pews giving money. When the people stop coming, the money stops coming, and one can be infallible on a street corner in front of a shuttered Church all one likes - nobody cares.
Authority led the flocks astray, and people won't follow it anymore. They WILL fo follo fo follow Jesus, but the existing leaders are all morally compromised, tainted by se secu se secular politics that runs opposite to Jesus, or by a spirit of oppression that pe peo pe people won't pay for anymore.
The jig is up. It's Jesus, or nothing - IF people want to save the Church. Th The camel can't carry anything through that narrow gate. It all has to be un unloaded and left outside.
It will eventually die there too for exactly the same reasons.
Once people are economically middle class, they will not put up with being abus abused and hectored over matters of private marriage and family planning. They will will simp will will simple starve the church for funds by not coming anymore.
And in those places where the fanatical Christians behave like Muslims, they'll be be stron be be strong for awhile, but eventually they will lose their members to the en enlightenment, when the ideas that moved the North move into Africa.
In China, everything will always be subordinated to Chinese-ness. That's never ch chan ch changed, and it never will.
Now, it COULD be different. But Christians would have to really change. I sense absolutely NO willingness on the part of Christians to change anything. They never admit when they're wrong. So people leave them, and the remainder go down with the ship. It's too bad (is it, really?), but that's the way the r real world works.
According to the Bible, Israel will revive the sacrifices.
That it doesn't please God, well, they just can't see that right now.
Mmm...subtle. So Israel might build a Temple and restart sacrifices but it would still not be pleasing to God as He had not ordained it. So you think it possible that Israel will revive the sacrifices in a rebuilt Temple while the Antichrist institutes the abomination of desolation inside the Third Temple leading to the final dramas of the Tribulation.
I think the usual view is that Israel will reclaim the Temple Mount and rebuild a legit Temple. But maybe I've just made that assumption with no proof. Vic may have a point.
I can't think of any objection from the usual prophecies. Anyway, an interesting angle that you offered.
They will will simp will will simple starve the church for funds by not coming anymore. ... they'll be be stron be be strong for awhile ... That's never ch chan ch changed, and it never will.
Love your prose style. Makes Boris looks like a sad amateur.
I think you're using dictation on your phone maybe. Not that it matters, it looks fine.
It will eventually die there too for exactly the same reasons.
You really don't want to be cheered up at all today. Well, I do see your point. And the bible does talk about how nearly impossible it is for a rich man to enter the narrow gate that leads to the path of salvation.
Of course, we are the rich men the Bible is talking about. Even the poorest modern Americans are much richer than the greatest kings of the ancient world. I always find that verse a little amusing because no one ever thinks they might be that rich man who is rejected.
But you may be right. Maybe when the whole world is rich from a robot-based economy and guaranteed basic income, the world will be engulfed in apostasy.
We have known periods of considerable wealth and some fairly long periods of apostasy in Christian nations in Europe. So maybe the pendulum will swing back and it will suddenly be hip for young people to abandon Facebook and focus on studying scripture and evangelizing. I can't be much surprised at anything these Millennials do any more.
The Christians focus on sexual issues with a judgmentalism that exceeds Jesus, but prefer Reagan and Mi Milton Friedman, and Ayn Rand, in their economics over Jesus.
I have never heard any Christian preacher or teacher approvingly quote Ayn Rand. Or even seem to know who she is.
No, really. Her name just never comes up. Reagan gets mentioned, mostly for standing up to the godless Soviet commies and bankrupting them with his arms buildup. I don't recall any discussion of Milton Friedman either.
Maybe sermons at the Catholic churches are much different than I imagine them to be. : )
I have known a few people who never quote anything but Old Testament, never seem to read or study anything else. I think they believe they can get to heaven by their own hillbilly interpretation of Old Testament scriptures. You see they have a secret, a gnosis, of The Hidden Truth.
Such people are illiterate.
Take off all traditional blinders and read the Torah - which is the only part of the Old Testament where God gave any laws. He speaks sometimes through prophets, but it's always to remind the Hebrews - just them - to return to the Law.
Law.
Read the Torah with fresh eyes. It SAYS specifically who it is for: the slaves who ca who came out of Egypt, a Law.
Law.
Read the Torah with fresh eyes. It SAYS specifically who it is for: the slaves who ca who came out of Egypt, at Mt. Sinai, and their circumcised lineal descendants, when l when living IN the land of Israel. Nob who ca who came out of Egypt, at Mt. Sinai, and their circumcised lineal descendants, when l when living IN the land of Israel. Nobody else.
And what does the Law PROMISE? Life after death? It never says a wor when l when living IN the land of Israel. Nobody else.
And what does the Law PROMISE? Life after death? It never says a word about that that. Paradise? Hell? Neither of those concepts ever passes the lips of YHWH YHWH. It's not ABOUT life after death, jud that that. Paradise? Hell? Neither of those concepts ever passes the lips of YHWH YHWH. It's not ABOUT life after death, judgment and eternal life.
Read it. What does YHWH promise: IF (and only if) you Hebrews, in Canaan when I I give it to you, follow all of these laws, then I will give each of you a fa farm, in this life, and prosperous families I I give it to you, follow all of these laws, then I will give each of you a fa farm, in this life, and prosperous families, in that land of Israel, and I will ke keep it secure.
There is no promise of eternal life. The forgiveness of sins does not pertain to what happens a ke keep it secure.
There is no promise of eternal life. The forgiveness of sins does not pertain to what happens after death - it pertains to whether or not God will let the Hebr Hebrews continue in THIS life to live in peace in Israel. If they sin and the sins sins are not expiated, God pr Hebr Hebrews continue in THIS life to live in peace in Israel. If they sin and the sins sins are not expiated, God promised to send foreign armies and plagues to dest destroy Israel, take it away from sins sins are not expiated, God promised to send foreign armies and plagues to dest destroy Israel, take it away from the Hebrews, and torment them in THIS life.
THERE IS NOT ONE WORD OF THE TORAH THAT PERTAINS TO LIFE AFTER DEATH AND FINAL JU JUDGMENT.
ALL of that is the NEW convenant, of Jesus. HE says what you have to do to be forgiven your JU JUDGMENT.
ALL of that is the NEW convenant, of Jesus. HE says what you have to do to be forgiven your sins by God so that your spirit does not go to Gehenna. And no, sacrificing an animal does not cut it for THAT even for Jews. For THAT forgiveness, you have to - as an individual - forgive others.
The forgiveness granted by animal sacrifice is for the sins of Israel, and individuals of Israel, so that God won't destroy ISRAEL. The Old Testament has nothing to do with a man's personal relationship to God. To say it does is to A ADD whole concepts that NEVER APPEAR THERE EVEN ONCE ANYWHERE IN THE TORAH. It's not about Heaven and Hell. It's about whether the Hebrews, as a tribe, will be destroyed by the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Greeks and the Romans.
Romans.
And in the end, Israel DIDN'T do what it was told, and it WAS destroye Romans.
Romans.
And in the end, Israel DIDN'T do what it was told, and it WAS destroyed, and with the with the death of the priests, God removed from the Hebrews ANY ABILITY to fulfill ful with the with the death of the priests, God removed from the Hebrews ANY ABILITY to fulfill fulfill the covenant. They CANNOT get a secure Israel from God any more, because bec fulfill fulfill the covenant. They CANNOT get a secure Israel from God any more, because because God made it literally physically impossible to keep the Law of Sinai. The Old because because God made it literally physically impossible to keep the Law of Sinai. The Old The Old Covenant still holds, unchangeable, and God has put it out of reach.
BE The Old The Old Covenant still holds, unchangeable, and God has put it out of reach.
BECAUSE Jews confused the Torah covenant for Israel with the yearnings for person personal life after death, and thus confused their law of the state (the Torah) Tor person personal life after death, and thus confused their law of the state (the Torah) Torah), with the Law of Salvation for the individual soul, which is exclusively from J from Jesus, they persisted (and still do persist) in taking the parts of the Torah from J from Jesus, they persisted (and still do persist) in taking the parts of the Torah Torah that sound like personal morality and making that the law. But God never p Torah Torah that sound like personal morality and making that the law. But God never promis promised salvation of the soul for that. For that, he said "Follow Jesus".
promis promised salvation of the soul for that. For that, he said "Follow Jesus".
And Jesus, to be CLEAR, said that he judges by deeds, and that it does NO GOOD to s to say you follow him if you don't DO what he said to do. Now, it's up to the to s to say you follow him if you don't DO what he said to do. Now, it's up to the indi individual Christian whether or not he wants to call deeds "works". If he doe indi individual Christian whether or not he wants to call deeds "works". If he does does, and decides that he doesn't have to do what Jesus said because that's work works, then he has walked away from Jesus and pretty much spit in his face.
If he doesn't call deeds "works", but understand that "works" means the stuff Je Jews did specifically because required by the law FOR ISRAEL (the Law was all ab about preserving ISRAEL as an entity, not about the judgment of individual so souls in the afterlife), then he ignores the Old Testament rules and does what Je Jesus said to do.
And since Jesus' law is hard to follow, morally Je Jesus said to do.
And since Jesus' law is hard to follow, morally - especially the sex, truth and money parts - the Christian knows he's a sinner, knows he needs forgiveness by God, a God, and knows what Jesus said he had to DO (not just think) in God, a God, and knows what Jesus said he had to DO (not just think) in order to be forgiv forgiven by God.
And that's the ENTIRE religion.
Tr forgiv forgiven by God.
And that's the ENTIRE religion.
Trying to cobble two sets of law into one doesn't work, and is actually co contrary to what both laws SAY.
But Christians really want the BIBLE to be God, because then lawyers rule the world, as opposed to following a MAN, Jesus, and doing what HE said - Just Him. Beca Him. Because HE was clearer than others, and what Him. Beca Him. Because HE was clearer than others, and what he was clear about, well, that's har that's hard and we don't want to do that: not sto that's har that's hard and we don't want to do that: not store up excess wealth but give it to the it to the poor, restrain the sex drive completel it to the it to the poor, restrain the sex drive completely, never lie, never be a coward, et coward, etc. We won't do all that, maybe we ca coward, et coward, etc. We won't do all that, maybe we can't.
So we're sinners. And we're forgiven ONLY if we forgive others. That's the deal.
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Christians want to make oth deal.
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Christians want to make other deals. No, Jesus, all I have to do is BELIEEEEVE in you in you. But he didn't say that.
No, in you in you. But he didn't say that.
No, Jesus, all I have to do is have "faith". But he said that it did you no good good.
No, Jesus, all I have to do is good good.
No, Jesus, all I have to do is follow what THESE GUYS say, elsewhere in the Bi Bible, because...Bible...and Bible is above just you.
But God said: "THIS is my beloved Son, listen to HIM." (Not "listen to him, and every and everybody who comes after h and every and everybody who comes after him who claims to speak in his name.)
And so it goes. And so it goes.
THAT is the real teachings of the Torah. Christians want to make it about indi individuals, about them. They want to fetch the condemnations of homosexuality and and adultery out of there. T and and adultery out of there. They don't want to just forgive everything.
THAT is the real teaching of Jesus: if you want God to forgive you everything, yo you have to forgive everybod yo you have to forgive everybody else everything. You will be judged by the me measure by which you judged. The merciful will be judged with mercy; the me merciless, without it.
Prigs want to complain about mercy, calling it soft. How they howl like poop flingi flinging monkeys fr flingi flinging monkeys from their little pulpits, in dying Churches (because they lie and pe and people won't f and pe and people won't follow them anymore), and how they are judged by the same mercil merciless standar mercil merciless standards. Idiots.
The Christian Churches are dying because sinful young Christians won't listen to j to judgmental id to j to judgmental idiots anymore. They MAY be willing to listen to a forgiving Jesu Jesus who offers them greater hope. Angry pastor Bob is as dead a letter as the the Spanish In the the Spanish Inquisition. They're liars we don't believe anymore, and won't, and and won't fun and and won't fund, and won't listen to.
That game is over.
New game? Well, Jesus is right there for anybody to read. And he's consistent. And lenient. His yoke is easy and his burden is light. Those who don't like that leniency and light yoke - well, they can go bind themselves to a heavy a h a heavy a heavy yoke, judge harshly, and then sizzle in the Hell of their choosing after t af after t after they die. Their choice. Nobody is following them down there anymore.
THAT is why the Church is dying. It's lies have become too heavy for the roof to be t to be to bear.
But the Truth still exists. It is to be found in Jesus ALONE. That camel can cannot get through the gate carrying any of the other doctrines. His alone are eno eno enough of a load.
The Christian Church that realizes that is the one that will survive.
The messiah was the final royal leader of Israel. And Israel would become under his leadership a light to the world, a source of enlightenment and wisdom.
Of course, we are the rich men the Bible is talking about.
Careful. Jesus was talking to Jews. What did every Jewish man have under the la law: a house and a productive la law: a house and a productive farm, for free, with no mortgage, that could ne never be taken for taxes or debt, as a birthright.
In other words, he had permanent lodging and a permanent source of food. Tax was from the excess produce - NOTHING could take the house or the food - that was a permanent birthright that could not be taken from the family for ANY reason, including crime, debt - anything.
All debt was forgiven in the seventh year. We have 30 year mortgages. No tax could take the homestead, ever. Our houses are auctioned off for tax deb debt inside of three years. We do not have guaranteed food.
Middle class Americans are the equivalent of indentured servants in Israel - and they owed no tit and they owed no tithes. Tithes were on PRODUCE and they owed no tithes. Tithes were on PRODUCE - profit of the land.
Americans don't reach the level of the tithe until they live in homes without mort mortgages, mort mortgages, and have a source of income that guarantees them sufficient food and paym payment of paym payment of the taxes. Until then, Americans are quite poor.
And anyway, the Tithe was for Israel, to support a priesthood. Jesus in instituted no tithe.
My point remains: When applying the economics of the Old Testament, fundamental to that is absolute housing and income security - which 95% of Americans do not have - American middle class are indendtured servants, with deb deb deb debts that are not forgiven in the 7th year. Our lives are woefully insecure. If If If If we were Israelites, 95% of us would be paying no tithe. The top 5% would be pay p pay paying 10% of everything new they generated...and we would have guaranteed hou housing and guaranteed farms. No mortgages and not having to pay for any of tha that.
Without those economic conditions as a backdrop, the Torah cannot be applied.
The Ayn Rand issue is not HER. It's the whole insane idea that social welfare - - the use of tax - - the use of taxes to help the poor - is unchristian.
The tithe was mandatory in Israel, and it was for the poor. And Israel was the state.
Ayn Rand's view is synonymous with those who oppose social welfare, but who pr propose nothing realistic in its place. People are to just starve, in the se service of a false religious narrative.
And the churches empty out because the product of Reaganamics over 40 years has been bee been been a massive concentration of wealth in a few hands, little job security, and a ste a a ste a steady relative impoverishment of the middle and working classes.
It's quite malignant. And it's not Christian. At all.
But certain Christian Churches have been the loudest proponents of that political philosophy. Those Churches are imploding. They young won't buy the lie. And the young are right. Jesus clearly doesn't buy it.
#120. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, watchman (#116)
Read the Torah with fresh eyes. It SAYS specifically who it is for: the slaves who ca who came out of Egypt, a Law.
But Jews would argue that it was applicable to all their descendants as well. And the Jews who founded the early churches would insist that Jesus taught that it applies to them because these churches are a graft onto the vine of Judaism.
And what does the Law PROMISE? Life after death? It never says a word about that that. Paradise? Hell? Neither of those concepts ever passes the lips of YHWH YHWH. It's not ABOUT life after death, jud that that. Paradise? Hell? Neither of those concepts ever passes the lips of YHWH YHWH. It's not ABOUT life after death, judgment and eternal life.
Read it. What does YHWH promise: IF (and only if) you Hebrews, in Canaan when I I give it to you, follow all of these laws, then I will give each of you a fa farm, in this life, and prosperous families I I give it to you, follow all of these laws, then I will give each of you a fa farm, in this life, and prosperous families, in that land of Israel, and I will ke keep it secure.
There is no promise of eternal life. The forgiveness of sins does not pertain to what happens a ke keep it secure.
There is no promise of eternal life. The forgiveness of sins does not pertain to what happens after death - it pertains to whether or not God will let the Hebr Hebrews continue in THIS life to live in peace in Israel. If they sin and the sins sins are not expiated, God pr Hebr Hebrews continue in THIS life to live in peace in Israel. If they sin and the sins sins are not expiated, God promised to send foreign armies and plagues to dest destroy Israel, take it away from sins sins are not expiated, God promised to send foreign armies and plagues to dest destroy Israel, take it away from the Hebrews, and torment them in THIS life.
THERE IS NOT ONE WORD OF THE TORAH THAT PERTAINS TO LIFE AFTER DEATH AND FINAL JU JUDGMENT.
Wow. I thought I knew how to raise uncomfortable topics in bible study. You've got me beat by a mile. Of course, I do recall your previous extended comments in this vein so it is no surprise. But I start smiling a bit just thinking of what the faces of some people I know would look like if they heard you or anyone saying these things. Their mouths would hang open, they would be so shocked.
You will be judged by the me measure by which you judged.
Well, you know that has been reduced for easy reading in the easy-believer churches to the more simple "Judge not lest ye be judged". I'm sure you've heard the Lefty spin on this verse before. It's a misinformed version of "how dare you judge me?".
The messiah was the final royal leader of Israel. And Israel would become under his leadership a light to the world, a source of enlightenment and wisdom.
And that's what happened too. The light came into the world with Jesus, and i it's Jesus whom we follow. Israel was the envelope in which he was sent, but t the old wineskin burst because it could not contain the new wine.
But Jews would argue that it was applicable to all their descendants as well. And the Jews who founded the early churches would insist that Jesus taught that it applies to them because these churches are a graft onto the vine of Judaism.
Yes, they would argue that.
But Jesus himself said that the Law CANNOT BE CHANGED. Which means YOU CANNOT ADD MO ADD MORE PEOPLE TO ITS COVERAGE. It was for the Hebrews, ADD MO ADD MORE PEOPLE TO ITS COVERAGE. It was for the Hebrews, that's all. And it promis promised a farm in Israel in this life. That's all.
Wow. I wrote a rager, and posted it. And it showed posted. And then it just dis dis disappeared. I guess God didn't agree with everything I said. So be it. I'll tak tak take that as a sign to shut up and go eat dinner.
The Ayn Rand issue is not HER. It's the whole insane idea that social welfare - - the use of tax - - the use of taxes to help the poor - is unchristian.
The tithe was mandatory in Israel, and it was for the poor. And Israel was the state.
If it was mandatory and universal, then why do they keep talking about it in the N.T.?
I'm not so sure those Israelites were such patriots when it came to paying taxes or giving alms to the poor. Alms were an established part of Jewish life, not something recently invented.
