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Politico’s calling it his Joe Wilson moment. When you hear the president of the United States demagoging the First Amendment, you sit there and you take it, son. Update: CBS screwed up the embed code initially. If you’re seeing the bit about Afghanistan, try refreshing. You should see the Supreme Court clip then. If not, click here. That should do it. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 56. #1. To: borntoweardiamonds (#0) Obama: "Blah blah blah..." Alito: "YOU LIE!!" Leastways, that's sorta how I heard it...MUD Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-28   7:23:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Mudboy Slim (#1) I'm very proud of Judge Alito, I only wish he could have hollered it as loud as hero Joe Wilson did last time. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-01-28   7:33:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Happy Quanzaa (#2) I'm very proud of Judge Alito You're proud that he ruled that an inanimate object has the same rights as a person? war  posted on  2010-01-28   7:58:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: war (#3) I'm proud that the Imperial Federal Government can no longer silence corporations and individual groups while letting the unions and ACORN say and do anything they want. The playing field is still not level though, unions and other statist organizations can still put their thugs on the streets to physically threaten and harm their opponents. That right needs to be either taken away from the unions or granted to the corporations and other groups not Party Central approved. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-01-28   8:21:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Happy Quanzaa (#4) I'm proud that the Imperial Federal Government can no longer silence corporations The Congress has the power to regulate corporations when they engage in commercial activity AND the Congress has the power to regulate the airwaves. Corporations are not people and your contortions of logic underscore the typical fascist philosophy that you have long espoused. The law that was struck down limited ACORN and the AFLCIO in the same manner, btw. So that strawman won't think. war  posted on  2010-01-28   8:28:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: war (#5) ACORN & The Black Panthers and the unions have no limits, they've stolen elections and sent their thugs into town halls, polling places, rallies, etc. across this nation. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-01-28   8:39:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Happy Quanzaa (#6) Blah...blah...blah...boo frickety hoo... Get over yourself...fascism isn't the answer...stop cheering it on... war  posted on  2010-01-28   8:41:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: war (#7) Obamunist thugs are allowed to beat the bejesus out of anyone they want to and you call me the fascist? Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-01-28   8:44:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Happy Quanzaa (#8) Obamunist thugs are allowed to beat the bejesus out of anyone they want to and you call me the fascist? A) No one was allowed to beat the bejesus out of anyone... B) Yea...if you believe that corporations have rights equal to those of actual people then that shoe fits... war  posted on  2010-01-28   8:46:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: war (#9) Yea...if you believe that corporations have rights equal to those of actual people then that shoe fits... corporations are made up of people. Why can't the owner(s) of a corporation speak and say whatever they want? Where is the authority in the constitution to limit a corporations speech or anything else to do with a corporation. A corporation is simply a legal entity created by people. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-28   8:55:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#11) (Edited) Corporations are made up of people So are school busses. The purpose of a corporation is commerical activity. A corporation cannot vote. A corporation is not subject to the same tax code as a person. You want to put corporations on the same legal plane as people? Fine. Then subject a CEO to arrest for murder when his corporate policy kills someone. Where is the authority in the constitution to limit a corporations speech When has Exxon ever uttered a word? ...or anything else to do with a corporation. Article I... A corporation is simply a legal entity... Yepper...that is ALL it is... and what is CREATED by law can be LIMITED by law...it has no protected political rights war  posted on  2010-01-28   9:03:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: war (#14) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Where does it say that speech has to come from an individual? There is the word people to peacefully assemble. A corporation that is peaceably assembled is made up of people. People is plural. They have a right to petition the government. They have the right to speak. Your not a constitutionalist. Why do you hate the constitution? What has it ever done to you. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-28   10:42:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: A K A Stone (#19) (Edited) When Obama said that the court had reversed over 100 years of precedent, this is the case that he was referring to: But the Court answered that corporations are not citizens within the meaning of the clause [of the 14th amendment]; that the term "citizens," as used in the clause, applies only to natural persons, members of the body politic owing allegiance to the state, not to artificial persons created by the legislature, and possessing only age such attributes as the legislature has prescribed; that the privileges and immunities secured to citizens of each state in the several states by the clause in question are those privileges and immunities which are common to the citizens in the latter states, under their Constitution and laws, by virtue of their citizenship; that special privileges enjoyed by citizens in their own states are not secured in other states by that provision; that it was not intended that the laws of one state should thereby have any operation in other states; that they can have such operation only by the permission, express or implied, of those states; that special privileges which are conferred must be enjoyed at home unless the assent of other states to their enjoyment therein be given, and that a grant of corporate existence was a grant of special privileges to the corporators, enabling them to act for certain specified purposes as a single individual, and exempting them, unless otherwise provided, from individual liability, which could therefore be enjoyed in other states only by their assent. In the subsequent case of Ducat v. Chicago, 10 Wall. 410, the Court followed this decision, and observed that the power of the state to discriminate between her own domestic corporations and those of other states desirous of transacting business within her jurisdiction, was clearly established by it and the previous case of Bank of Augusta v. Earle, 13 Pet. 519, and added that "as to the nature or degree of discrimination, it belongs to the state to determine, subject only to such limitations on her sovereignty as may be found in the fundamental law of the union." ~~~~ Pembina Consolidated Silver Mining Co. v. Pennsylvania, 125 U.S. 181 (1888) And before you git yer panties in a bunch, this case actually GRANTED corporate citizenship for the limited purpose of due process... war  posted on  2010-01-28   11:25:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: war (#22) I skimmed it. The constitution still clearly says no laws limiting speech. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-29   8:03:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #56. To: A K A Stone (#48) The constitution still clearly says no laws limiting speech. If the first amendment is not limited to people, then my dog's first amendment rights have been violated by city ordinance. lucysmom  posted on  2010-01-29   13:17:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 56.         There are no replies to Comment # 56. End Trace Mode for Comment # 56. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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