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Politico’s calling it his Joe Wilson moment. When you hear the president of the United States demagoging the First Amendment, you sit there and you take it, son. Update: CBS screwed up the embed code initially. If you’re seeing the bit about Afghanistan, try refreshing. You should see the Supreme Court clip then. If not, click here. That should do it. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 31. #1. To: borntoweardiamonds (#0) Obama: "Blah blah blah..." Alito: "YOU LIE!!" Leastways, that's sorta how I heard it...MUD Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-01-28   7:23:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Mudboy Slim (#1) I'm very proud of Judge Alito, I only wish he could have hollered it as loud as hero Joe Wilson did last time. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-01-28   7:33:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Happy Quanzaa (#2) I'm very proud of Judge Alito You're proud that he ruled that an inanimate object has the same rights as a person? war  posted on  2010-01-28   7:58:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: war (#3) I'm proud that the Imperial Federal Government can no longer silence corporations and individual groups while letting the unions and ACORN say and do anything they want. The playing field is still not level though, unions and other statist organizations can still put their thugs on the streets to physically threaten and harm their opponents. That right needs to be either taken away from the unions or granted to the corporations and other groups not Party Central approved. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-01-28   8:21:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Happy Quanzaa (#4) I'm proud that the Imperial Federal Government can no longer silence corporations The Congress has the power to regulate corporations when they engage in commercial activity AND the Congress has the power to regulate the airwaves. Corporations are not people and your contortions of logic underscore the typical fascist philosophy that you have long espoused. The law that was struck down limited ACORN and the AFLCIO in the same manner, btw. So that strawman won't think. war  posted on  2010-01-28   8:28:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: war (#5) ACORN & The Black Panthers and the unions have no limits, they've stolen elections and sent their thugs into town halls, polling places, rallies, etc. across this nation. Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-01-28   8:39:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Happy Quanzaa (#6) Blah...blah...blah...boo frickety hoo... Get over yourself...fascism isn't the answer...stop cheering it on... war  posted on  2010-01-28   8:41:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: war (#7) Obamunist thugs are allowed to beat the bejesus out of anyone they want to and you call me the fascist? Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2010-01-28   8:44:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Happy Quanzaa (#8) Obamunist thugs are allowed to beat the bejesus out of anyone they want to and you call me the fascist? A) No one was allowed to beat the bejesus out of anyone... B) Yea...if you believe that corporations have rights equal to those of actual people then that shoe fits... war  posted on  2010-01-28   8:46:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: war (#9) Yea...if you believe that corporations have rights equal to those of actual people then that shoe fits... corporations are made up of people. Why can't the owner(s) of a corporation speak and say whatever they want? Where is the authority in the constitution to limit a corporations speech or anything else to do with a corporation. A corporation is simply a legal entity created by people. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-28   8:55:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#11) (Edited) Corporations are made up of people So are school busses. The purpose of a corporation is commerical activity. A corporation cannot vote. A corporation is not subject to the same tax code as a person. You want to put corporations on the same legal plane as people? Fine. Then subject a CEO to arrest for murder when his corporate policy kills someone. Where is the authority in the constitution to limit a corporations speech When has Exxon ever uttered a word? ...or anything else to do with a corporation. Article I... A corporation is simply a legal entity... Yepper...that is ALL it is... and what is CREATED by law can be LIMITED by law...it has no protected political rights war  posted on  2010-01-28   9:03:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: war (#14) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Where does it say that speech has to come from an individual? There is the word people to peacefully assemble. A corporation that is peaceably assembled is made up of people. People is plural. They have a right to petition the government. They have the right to speak. Your not a constitutionalist. Why do you hate the constitution? What has it ever done to you. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-28   10:42:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: A K A Stone (#19) (Edited) Where does it say that speech has to come from an individual? You're looking at it incorrectly. People have inherent, or "natural" rights at birth. They can exercise those rights individually or through associations. Corporations are a legislative creation. As such, they have privileges granted only by law. What a law has the power to create, another law has the power to destroy. Your [sic] not a constitutionalist. Actually, I am. Read the first three words of it... war  posted on  2010-01-28   10:55:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: war (#21) You're looking at it incorrectly. People have inherent, or "natural" rights at birth. They can exercise those rights individually or through associations. Corporations are a legislative creation. As such, they have privileges granted only by law. What part of "congress shall make no law....free speech" don't you understand. No law means no law. It doesn't mean corporations are a legislative creation so they can make a law pertaining to it. Be honest with yourself. No law means no law. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-28   13:24:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: A K A Stone (#23) Be honest with yourself. (laughing) Thats the funniest thing I've read today.... Badeye  posted on  2010-01-28   13:32:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Badeye, war (#24) You're looking at it incorrectly. People have inherent, or "natural" rights at birth. They can exercise those rights individually or through associations. Corporations are a legislative creation. As such, they have privileges granted only by law. Well it is true. Be honest. The plain reading of the text says that they can't make any laws limiting free speech. Now if war opposes this decision and thinks it is immoral. That is ok. His position should be the constitution needs amended. The supreme courts job is supposed to be to interpret the constitution truthfully as to what the text actually says and means. They did that job correctly. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-28   13:40:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: A K A Stone (#25) His position should be the constitution needs amended. How many times is "corporation" in the constitution? Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-01-28   14:13:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Fred Mertz, war (#27) How many times is "corporation" in the constitution? What does it matter. The constitution doesn't limit speech to just people. It doesn't say the congress shall make no law respecting free speech except if you form a corporation and da da da da da. It says they can't make any laws restricting free speech period. If they make a law concerning corporatoins and make them jump in this hoop and that hoop whatever the outcome one things is for sure. Because of the constitution they sure can't put any free speech restrictions on anybody anything anyhow period checkmate. If folks have a problem with that then they should amend the constitution and not try to usurp power that isn't given to the govt. According to you and wars view the president doesn't have free speech. He is president of a corporation. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-28   15:57:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 31. #32. To: A K A Stone (#31) According to you and wars view the president doesn't have free speech. He is president of a corporation. Oh thats no big deal to em, in fact you just demoted him from 'Messiah' to 'CEO'...lol Badeye  posted on  2010-01-28 15:58:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: A K A Stone (#31) What does it matter. Because what the US knows to be a "corporation" did not exist when the USCON and B/R were ratified. It is a legal creation. I don't understand the point that you are trying to make here in defending this ridiculous decision. What if a corporation declares itself to be, in fact, a religion? Hey, people believe in its products and support and promote them just as any preacher or follower does and, well fuck political speech, our corporation with the trillion dollar market cap is now tax exempt. While we're at it, since a corporation is, in fact, solely a money making enterprise, taxing it is cruel and unusual... Where does it stop? war  posted on  2010-01-28 19:13:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: A K A Stone (#31) (Edited) First off all, I have no view that is remotely similar to that fucking asshole if only because I'm not insistent on being obstinately stupid . Secondly, the POTUS is NOT the head of a corporation. He's the head of the government. Thirdly, your argument fails on any number of levels not the least of which is that the Uniform Commercial Code of the United States is the main body of law that creates and governs a good portion of corporate existence [Law of Contracts is another, and in fact, was the FIRST aspect of law to recognize a limited right of citizenship for a corporation so that it could enter into contracts.] Just as members of the military are subject to a different set of laws, restrictive in nature, e.g. you have no right of free association in the military, so, therefore, are corporations because they are wholly created and governed by legislation. Can the Congress legislate a person out of existence? No. It CAN legislate a business out of existence. war  posted on  2010-01-28 19:21:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 31. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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