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Title: Court: No Immunity For SWAT Team That Hurled A Flash-Bang Grenade In The General Direction Of A Two-Year-Old Child
Source: TechDirt
URL Source: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2 ... ction-two-year-old-child.shtml
Published: Jul 29, 2019
Author: Tim Cushing
Post Date: 2019-07-31 06:01:55 by Deckard
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Comments: 41

from the nice-to-see-some-stunned-officers-for-a-change dept

It usually takes very extreme behavior from law enforcement officers to punch holes in the qualified immunity shield. Fortunately/unfortunately, there's seems to be no shortage of extremely-badly-behaving law enforcement officers.

In this case, fielded by the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals, the Kansas City Police Department was investigating a homicide. Detectives managed to track the victim's cellphone to an apartment. They also managed to track down the suspect by using a combination of phone records and old fashioned police work. They arrested the suspect and applied for a search warrant for his residence.

The warrant request omitted the fact they had heard the targeted phone ringing in an apartment on Winchester Street, rather than the apprehended suspect's residence (the "Bristol residence"). The SWAT team also met prior to the search and were informed the homicide suspect was already in custody.

The SWAT team proceeded to the Bristol residence with a normal search warrant. Once the SWAT team arrived, it decided to do SWAT team things, even though it only had a normal warrant that didn't authorize the things it chose to do.

Here's how it began, according to the Eighth Circuit decision [PDF]:

At 7:00 p.m., the SWAT team, dressed in tactical gear with weapons drawn, approached the front door of the Bristol residence. The front entrance had both an inside wooden door and an outside metal screen door, each of which were “double-keyed,” meaning they required a key to open from both the inside and the outside. Because the warrant did not authorize a “no knock” entry, the SWAT team knocked on the door and announced: “Police, search warrant!” At the time, there were four people inside the residence: the plaintiff, Z.J., a two year old girl; Laverne Charles, age 84; Leona Smith, age 68; and Carla Brown, age 24. Carla grabbed the keys to the door and opened the inside door.

So far, so good. There was no suspect to apprehend so the SWAT team's presence seems a bit extraneous. But the resident was offering to unlock the door to let them in to search the place. But time waits for no one, not even the Fourth Amendment.

She then held up the keys to the door in her hand and jingled them for the SWAT team to see in order to indicate that she was going to open up the door. Before she had the opportunity to open it, the SWAT team knocked out the screen and threw in a flash-bang grenade over Carla’s head into the living room of the house. Carla testified that she would have opened the screen door had she been given the opportunity to do so.

The officers involved in the raid disputed this account. And by "dispute," I mean "basically agreed that's what happened, but with a bunch of exonerative explanations."

Sgt. Rusley claimed waited "five to ten seconds" before starting to pry off the screen door. He claimed the resident refused to open the door and walked away. Feeling the element of surprise had been compromised, he tried to regain it by sailing a flash-bang grenade into the residence. Another officer said roughly the same thing, only varying the narrative by claiming the team couldn't immediately discern what the waving of keys by the resident meant, but that the introduction of a flash-bang grenade would clear up any confusion.

This is what followed the flash-bang grenade's "appearance" on the scene:

The flash-bang grenade caught the living room drapes on fire. The SWAT team had to remove the drapes from the house and place them in the front yard before continuing through the rest of the house. The SWAT team found two-year old Z.J. in the living room. One officer acknowledged Z.J. was “very shaken from the whole situation.” The team placed Carla and Leona in zip tie restraints, but was unable to place restraints on Laverne because of her advanced age and physical condition.

Because the person at the door didn't wave the officers in quickly enough, the officers threw a flash-bang grenade into a room containing a two-year-old. Fortunately, it was only the drapes that caught fire.

Why the flash-bang? Well, habit, apparently. The SWAT team always has them, and pretty much always finds a reason to use them.

As the district court noted, the Board did not have any policy about the use of flash-bang grenades — such as when their use is appropriate and how to use them safely. One officer estimated that in executing search warrants, flash-bang grenades were used 80-90% of the time; another officer estimated that in his experience they were used about 50% of the time; and a third officer estimated they were used about 75% of the time.

The SWAT team members asked for the lawsuit to be dismissed, claiming qualified immunity shielded their attempt to set someone's living room on fire during normal warrant service. The court disagrees, finding that flash-bang grenades are rarely justified, especially in situations like these. As the court points out, a flash-bang isn't some sort of supercharged noisemaker: it's a weapon that causes very real damage.

The record evidence shows the flash-bang grenade used here is four times louder than a 12-gauge shotgun blast and emits a light 107 times brighter than the brightest high-beam vehicle headlight. It has a powerful enough concussive effect to break windows and put holes in walls. The flash-bang burns at around 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit, creating an obvious and serious risk of burning individuals, damaging property, and starting fires (as occurred here). In some cases, they can even be lethal. And as this case illustrates well, they pose a risk of traumatizing unsuspecting occupants — particularly small children like two-year old Z.J.

The court says there are cases where flash-bang use may be justified. But this case contained zero of those elements.

Whether the use of the flash-bang grenade here was reasonable is not a close question. The SWAT team knew the suspect, Charles, was already in custody. Any potential justification based on the fact Charles was (at the time) suspected of murder is eliminated by the fact the SWAT team knew they would not encounter Charles there. Nor did they have any indication that other people at the residence would pose any threat. In fact, they had no idea who was inside the house because they failed to do any investigation into that question beyond a quick drive-by to check the address. The use of a flash-bang grenade under these facts was not reasonable. “The use of a [flash-bang] grenade must be justified by the particular risk posed in the execution of the warrant.” Terebesi v. Torreso, 764 F.3d 217, 239 (2d Cir. 2014). Nor was the manner of use reasonable. They threw the flash-bang grenade into the house blindly without knowing whether children, elderly, or other innocent individuals were inside.

In defense of their blind flash-bang toss, the officers claimed there still may have been some danger present in the house. The police may have already had a suspect in custody but the sued officers theorized the homicide could have been part of a larger criminal conspiracy, which could have meant the residence housed even more dangerous criminals. The court has no time for this distended post facto rationalization.

Of course, they had no actual information to support this after-the-fact speculation. More to the point, however, this argument relies on a dangerously flawed premise. The argument that the SWAT team was justified in using a flash-bang grenade because they did not know for certain it was unnecessary is precisely backwards; it makes using that dangerous level of force the default. This type of “flash-bang first, ask questions later” approach runs headlong into the Fourth Amendment. Law enforcement officers like the SWAT team members here need an actual justification for using a flash-bang grenade; the mere hypothetical possibility that someone dangerous could be in a house they are entering — without any actual facts to indicate that is true or likely to be true — is not sufficient.

The court finds the argument that knocking and alerting the residents of the home removed the "element of surprise," forcing the SWAT team's grenade-lobbing hand.

The explanation that the flash-bang was used because the SWAT team believed it was “compromised,” meaning “that occupants of the residence knew [the SWAT team officers] were there and that [the officers] no longer had the element of surprise,” is unpersuasive. The search warrant did not authorize the SWAT team to conduct a “no-knock” warrant, and so they knocked on the front door and announced their presence, which obviously defeated the element of surprise. After all, the purpose of the constitutional knock-and-announce requirement is to allow a citizen the chance to come to the door and allow entrance to an officer who is legally entitled to enter.

The court says this is all clearly-established at this point, so no one involved in the SWAT team's flash-bang use will be able to dodge this lawsuit.

Only the plainly incompetent officer announces his presence at a house with no known dangerous people and then decides to throw in a flash-bang grenade because the occupants know he is there.

Sometimes, vague, unsupported beliefs about the dangerousness of the general public aren't enough to allow officers to dodge culpability for their dangerous decisions. This is one of those (rare) cases.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Where to start with this one...?

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-31   6:07:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#1)

Where to start with this one...?

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. Proverbs 29:2

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. Romans 13:1,2

Proverbs 29:2, along with Romans 13:1-2, is a great place to start. It explains all that is going on here.

The swat team, acting under God's authority, has made God look like an idiot. The swat team has dishonored God's authority by acting outside of God's character. The swat team themselves have resisted the ordinance of God!

The court, also under God's authority, has acted to correct the harm the swat team has done, both to God's authority and to His character.

watchman  posted on  2019-07-31   15:41:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: watchman (#3)

The swat team, acting under God's authority, has made God look like an idiot. The swat team has dishonored God's authority by acting outside of God's character. The swat team themselves have resisted the ordinance of God!

The court, also under God's authority, has acted to correct the harm the swat team has done, both to God's authority and to His character.

It doesn't sound like God was involved much to me. Just the usual screwups.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-07-31   16:47:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#4)

It doesn't sound like God was involved much to me. Just the usual screwups.

Christians believe that God has delegated His authority to man so that order can be maintained in a fallen world.

When the swat team went out they did so as representatives of God...and they have to behave accordingly. Fearless, honorable, truthful. Otherwise people get a wrong impression of God.

The court ruling proves we don't live in a Godless society just yet...getting close but not yet. And that is refreshing to God's people. All people in fact rejoice when order is restored.

watchman  posted on  2019-07-31   20:46:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: watchman (#9)

Christians believe that God has delegated His authority to man so that order can be maintained in a fallen world.

Well, that lets us off the hook. We can blame God for all the bad stuff because He is bad at oversight. As you know, God is terrible at supervising things and is often taken advantage of by wily or stupid humans.

I'm not sure the bible really says what you're advocating. You get much of that from the opinions in letters written by Paul and some OT bits. Jesus did not say these things in the way you suggest. These doctrines are not taught in the Gospels, at least not in the way you suggest.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-01   0:04:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tooconservative (#10)

Well, that lets us off the hook.

These doctrines are not taught in the Gospels

Just the opposite...it puts us "on the hook". God demands a full accounting. We are totally responsible for all that God entrusts to us.

As for the Gospels, I wonder, do you really believe the Gospels any more than the rest of the Bible?

watchman  posted on  2019-08-01   6:49:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: watchman (#11) (Edited)

As for the Gospels, I wonder, do you really believe the Gospels any more than the rest of the Bible?

I think the Gospels are the heart of Christian belief and teaching. I don't compare the epistles or the prophecies to the centrality of the Gospels.

The Gospels were the Good News. Not the epistles or the prophecy.

In modern times, we tend to weight every verse as being of equal importance. Christians even do this with the Old Testament. "Well, scripture is scripture." But the truth is that some passages of scripture are very important.

Romans 1:1-7:

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 9:1-18:

I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, that I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (for the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Both passages are scripture. Yet I think you would hold chapter 9 in much higher esteem and authority than you would with chapter 1. Romans 1 is an ordinary salutation that prefaces an instructional epistle written by an apostle to a church he established or who considered his opinions authoritative due to his reputation. OTOH, Romans 9 and its interpretation is foundational to almost any systematic theology of the Bible.

Not all scripture was created equal. Nor were these accounts written as holy scripture when you judge them fairly. The Gospels were recollections of eyewitnesses and family members and friends to attest to the historicity of Jesus and the character of his ministry and teachings and miracles and resurrection and ascension. The epistles were, generally, written by apostles who had established remote churches that fell into controversy with the letters being intended to settle those local church disputes using the authority of the founder of the church (Paul) who was also the apostle who had personally converted some or most of the leaders of those churches years before.

So: yes, the Gospels are the core of the New Testament and always have been. Without them, you have nothing. Yet in ancient times, it was the Gospels which brought people into the church and were always the Good News, long before any of these epistles were written by an apostle and subsequently published for general reading by other churches. No one ever called the epistles or the Revelation any kind of Good News.

Before any epistles or a Revelation was ever written or even considered, the Gospels were already in circulation pretty widely in the region.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-01   7:26:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative (#12) (Edited)

Not all scripture was created equal. Nor were these accounts written as holy scripture when you judge them fairly.

So: yes, the Gospels are the core of the New Testament and always have been.

I would love to discuss the canonicity of Scripture with you and we could have a great debate!

But what I need to know first is this: are you a Christian? Are you Jewish? (I need to know your spiritual condition...)

The Gospels might be condensed into this verse:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Do you believe this verse from the Gospels? Because in believing this verse, believing in Christ, that He died for your sins, was buried and rose again...that is the Gospel. Do you believe this, Tooconservative?

watchman  posted on  2019-08-01   8:44:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: watchman (#13) (Edited)

I don't get into extensive online theological debates any more. I think they usually do far more harm than good. My previous comment contained what I wanted to say about not all scripture being created equal.

Not to worry. I have tons of opinions you wouldn't like if I posted them. If I did post them, I wouldn't change your mind. And your counter-arguments would not change mine.

I think Christians who consider online forums to be a way to convert the heathen or fellowship with other Christians are entirely misguided. This idea is quietly pervasive but it is one of the most destructive things to Christianity in the modern era. The Internet is not a constructive medium for religion; it's the opposite. Online religion is just a disaster.

OTOH, if you want to discuss the formation of the canon, the Pauline canon that Marcion created which led rather directly to the creation of the official NT canon, etc. then that always interests me. I especially like manuscript issues and ancient heresies.

The Gospels might be condensed into this verse: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Until the last century or so, the vast majority of humans never had a chance to hear about Jesus. This includes nearly all of Asia, Africa and the Americas. So they couldn't become "whosoevers". Since they were unable to qualify as a "whosoever", then hell is a fitting and just eternal destination for them. Right?

John 3:16 is quite often the only scripture that many younger Christians can recite. It is handy to proselytize with if your target convert has some Christian background but I don't think that Peter and Paul had to resort to quoting John in order to win converts. People seem to think that somehow the diminishing appeal and results they have with easy-believerism just means they need to repeat John 3:16 more often or use the Romans Road To Salvation more effectively. Which doesn't seem to work. I think the modern reliance on John 3:16 as a scriptural superweapon can be mostly attributed to the televised Billy Graham crusades. It was the start of the ecumenical easy-believerism whose outworking we now see across the evangelical landscape as the old Prot churches just die off with the WW II/Korean War generation.

This very modern idea that the entire Bible can be condensed into a single verse is fundamentally flawed. And the more reliance placed on its primacy as the Swiss Army Knife verse of the Bible, the more the churches shrink and the numbers of unbelievers grow. Not a coincidence IMO. I think even the Ten Commandments are more persuasive to unbelievers than That Verse.

Do you believe this verse from the Gospels? Because in believing this verse, believing in Christ, that He died for your sins, was buried and rose again...that is the Gospel. Do you believe this, Tooconservative?

I'm not a Catholic. And you aren't a priest.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-01   10:04:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative, Pinguinite (#14)

I don't get into extensive online theological debates any more.

I think Christians who consider online forums to be a way to convert the heathen or fellowship with other Christians are entirely misguided.

I have never had an extensive online theological debate with anyone, except maybe my interactions with Pinguinite awhile back.

Tooconservative, you realize you are on a Christian based forum don't you? You asked an open ended question about "where to start" with the swat team incident. I responded with Scripture...that's what Christians do.

So when you responded to the Scripture and Christian belief with "that lets us off the hook" or "we can blame God for all the bad stuff" I or someone else is going to press in and challenge that comment. A Christian is going find out where you are coming from...esp. when you are on a Christian's forum!

As for converting heathen on forums, I have no idea how successful that is. However, I will share the Gospel anytime I can.

And you still haven't answered my question. Do you believe the Gospel? Do you believe Christ when he says you must be born again? (You don't have to answer here on the forum...but you should at least answer that question to your self)

watchman  posted on  2019-08-01   11:46:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: watchman (#15)

As I said, I don't get into theological discussions any more.

I've had this attitude since I stopped going to church some years back. I came to realize that I was dissatisfied with the church I was attending and I couldn't seem to find or even imagine a church that was any better. They seem to descend rather quickly into another soap opera of drama and cliquishness. Perhaps this is why the shallow megachurches offering easy-believerism have prospered.

There's no payoff for online personal religious discussions. None.

However, I have a longtime interest in the Bible itself, its origins, the manuscripts underlying the translations, the history of various translations, the conditions of the era, the picture it paints of ancient Israel within the Roman empire at the time of Christ.

Without the New Testament, there is no Christianity. Hence my interest. And yet I find virtually no one who has any interest at all in these issues. To them, the Bible just is, as though it fell in modern form like a meteorite from outer space. Modern Christians have almost no curiosity about the Bible. They have a similar lack of interest in theology or why they believe what they believe.

Tooconservative  posted on  2019-08-01   12:20:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative, goldilucky (#16)

Hence my interest. And yet I find virtually no one who has any interest at all in these issues.

This is more common than you think. With you it might be manuscripts, with someone else it might be Greek or Hebrew. Goldilucky has an interest in Biblical and prophetic geography. People have different interests...that's just how people are and it's a good thing.

I do have one last question: (why) have you had a lifelong interest in Bible manuscripts, etc? And feel free to ignore the question! You get the last word...I will not reply.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-01   14:42:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: watchman (#18) (Edited)

My interest in bible manuscripts take me back to the time I was little (7 years old). Growing up from an agnostic belief family, I decided not to grow up to be like them but to pursue the truth of why I was here. I would question myself as to what was my purpose in life on this planet besides the daily doldrums of work etc. There had to be an answer. And I found mine through scripture and the belief in its every word. Some would refer to this kind of belief system as "dangerous" in these times. But then when I think about what Jesus had told his disciples and speaking to the future generations like ours; that we would also be tried and tortured for our belief in Jesus and His Father's words. It brought comfort to me. For we are truly the last generation to witness these events and prophetic events to befall upon us all. God is showing us these signs in the heavens (sky and earth) but we're just not paying attention at all. Only 10% of the population are truly aware of what is happening to our Earth. And it is not global-warming nor climate change.

goldilucky  posted on  2019-08-01   19:46:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#29. To: goldilucky (#26)

Only 10% of the population are truly aware of what is happening to our Earth.

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

That's it, I believe ...they received not the love of the truth. That's the key. One has to love the truth! To crave it! To yearn for it!

And what percentage of that 10% are Christians?

Anyway, thanks for sharing a little about how you became a Christian. Made my day.

watchman  posted on  2019-08-02 12:50:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: goldilucky, watchman (#26)

For we are truly the last generation to witness these events and prophetic events to befall upon us all. God is showing us these signs in the heavens (sky and earth) but we're just not paying attention at all. Only 10% of the population are truly aware of what is happening to our Earth. And it is not global-warming nor climate change.

All Israel will be saved"

A K A Stone  posted on  2019-08-02 14:36:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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